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Jackie:
I agree with you. I knew from the very beginning when I purchased the
Rowland book that there were some errors. However, when you are looking for
a place to start research it's a nice beginning. I think everyone should
remember that anything posted is FYI and unless documentation is provided it
is best to use it as a stepping board. Then too, if documentation is
provided, verify it for youselves. Happy hunting to all.
Phoebe Pantier Bush
Hi Clary researchers,
I have been working on the family of Harwood Clary of Brunswick Co., rather
intensely for several years. I have seen the Rowland Book and the book A
Pioneer Clary Family In The North Carolina Colony And Tennessee As Well As
Virginia, by Clarence W. Clary, 1971. Both books include a John Thomas
Clary, but my research proves that John Clary and Thomas Clary are TWO
different people.
John Clary was John Clary from the time he enlisted in the Revolutionary War,
in Sussex Co. till he filed for his pension record and died shortly there
after, his wife also refered to him as John Clary. John Clary married Sarah
Moselsy in Brunswick Co., on 10 Dec 1807. His family structure is spelled
out in his pension record and his wife left a will also.
Thomas Clary also married a Sarah Moseley on Nov. 27, 1786, also in Brunswick
Co., VA, Deed Book 15, page 326, it clearly states this Thomas is the son of
Harwood Clary. Thomas Clary & John Clary are both on the tax rolls at the
same time. The last appearance of Thomas Clary on the tax rolls in Brunswick
Co. is 1793. I would love to know where he went.
Lucy Clary who married William H. Meiss, later married a Partin and she left
a fabulous will, dated July 11, 1829 in Brunswick Co., it's not in the Court
House but at the Library of Va. in a box of unrecorded documents. This will
goes on to explain numerous family relationships, a true gold mine.
If we accept secondary sources as the gospel, we do ourselves an injustice
and can easily go off on some wild goose chase. Too often an error, just
because it gets published becomes the truth and gets passed on and on and on
till everyone thinks it is true, like this John Thomas Clary business.
Don't get me wrong, secondary sources are a great place to point you in the
right direction, to find primary sources. We also have to be able to accecpt
the fact that sometimes there are no answers, no records. Research is hard
work, picking up a secondary source and accepting it as your family....or is
it your family?, you'll never realy know unless you look at the records
yourself.
-Jackie Dolby
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Steve and anyone else that might be interested:
Hope it helps you, Steve.
Phoebe Pantier Bush
PSBU(a)aol.com
On page 503 of the Rowland book on the Clary family the following is recorded
about Harwood Clary:
Harwood Clary, son of Thomas Clary and Mary Hancock
b. ca 1728 Surry Co., VA; d Sept 1790 Brunswick Co., VA
m. ca 1754 - ?
Children:
John Thomas Clary, b. ca 1755
Benjamin Clary, b. ca 1762 VA
Lucy Clary; m. 23 Aug 1790 William H. Meiss
Mary Clary
Daughter Clary; m. William Pearson
Patty Clary; m. .... Blanton
Ann (or Nancy) Clary; m 7 Feb 1788 James Wesson
possible dau, wife of William Harrison
prob Judith Clary; m.....Jones
Harwood Clary lived in Brunswick Co., in southern Virginia, a county formed
in 1720, partly from Surry, the original home county of the Clarys. He was
probably a farmer, and, according to his will, also a miller. His name
appeared on a list of Brunswick County citizens who provided food or other
assistance to the American cause in the Revolutionary War (County Court
Booklet, page 16). Female descendants of Harwood are thus eligible for
membership in the D.A.R. on the basis of his "public service."
Harwood Clary's will, written 23 August 1790, was proven 27 Sept 1790 in
Brunswick County.
On page 501 the following is written:
Thomas Clary, son of William Clary, Elizabeth.....
b. ca 1695 Surry Co., VA; d 1763 Sussex Co., VA
m. ca 1719 Mary Hancock (daughter of John Hancock)
Children:
James Clary b. ca 1720
Thomas Clary, b. ca 1722
Birdis Clary, b. ca 1724
Harwood Clary, b. ca 1728
Benjamin Clary, b. ca 1735
Mourning Clary; m.....Holdenworth
In 1726 Thomas Clary inherited half of his father's farm in Surry Co., VA.
In 1755 either he or son Thomas received a grant of 67 acres in Sussex County
(which had been formed in 1753 from part of Surry).
Mary Clary's father, John Hancock, preceded the famous signer of the
Declaration of Independence by several decades (relationship unknown).
Thomas' children were named in his will, written 26 June 1763 in Sussex
County. It bequeathed plantations of 200 acres each to sons Thomas, Birdis,
and Benjamin, and also listed bequests of furnishings, animals, slaves, and
tobacco, then widely used in place of money. (WB A:304)
Many, perhaps all, of the Surry County Clrys were Quakers. Their
congregation was established in 1737 as teh Pagan Creek Monthly Meeting. In
1752 the name was changed to Blackwater Monthly Meeting, taking its name from
Blackwater Swamp in the area.
Records of the Blackwater Meeting exist from 1752. Although the yerly
Meeting early advocated the freeing of slaves, some members were reluctant.
In 1788 the Meeting took a firm stand, and members began to be "disowned" for
failure to free their slaves.
In June 1786, a Thomas Clary (unidentified) "granted freedom to his slave
Moses, for reasons of conscience, feeling that no man should be entitled to
own another, and stating that to do so was to violate the principles of the
church, the nation, and his own conscience" (Surry DB1, part 2:373).
FYI
Dwayne Crandall
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Michael,
FYI, I am a descendent of Thomas Clary. I have seen a couple of books that
include this Clary family, however I have found them deficient in that the go
only so far and stop. I have also found errors. I am working on a book
that will start with my Clarys in Brunswick Co., VA, and work though the
Sussex to the Surry Co. Clary's
The Brunswick Co. Clary family is HUGE, and I still have a lot of records to
read and information to collect, it may not be for years but I plan to write
this book. I do not trust secondary sources, I do origional research and
this takes time. There are a number of us Brunswick Co. researchers working
on it now.
Would love to hear from any Brunswick Co. Clary's.
-Jackie Dolby
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Scott and others:
Thomas Clary, Jr., son of Thomas Clarye, & Judith....
b. ca 1662 adn d ca 1707 in Surry Co., Va; single
In 1687 Thomas Clary and his brother Wiliam were on a list of men who were to
serve as foot soldiers in the Surry County militia, or provide substitutes.
Records show Thomas and William Clary as Surry County tithables (taxables)
for the years 1683, 1688 and 1698. Thomas' will was written 25 Sept 1707.
It included bequests to brother William, sister Ann R. W., niece Judith
Lancaster and nephews-in-law Edward Brown and Charles Williams.
William Clary, son of Thomas Clarye & Judith ....
b ca 1665 and d. 1726 Surry Co., VA
m ca 1685 Elizabeth ?
ch b VA, order uncertain:
Martha Clary b ca 1686 m ca 1704 Edward Brown
Mary Clary b ca 1688, m ca 1706 Charles Williams
Benjamin Clary b ca 1690; d 1735; res Brunswick Co
William B. Clary b ca 1692
Thomas Clary b ca 1695
Charles Clary b ca 1698
Elizabeth Clary; m ..... Morley
Joseph Clary
Catherine Clary; m.....Morley
In 1687 William Clary and his brother Thomas were on a list of foot soldiers
in the Surry County, Virginia, militia. "In the late 1600's and early
1700's, Surry County was frontier country, and white inhabitants lived there
in peril of their lives. Local militia protected each community."
In 1715, William Clary received 100 acres of land in Surry County from
Governor Alexander Spotswood; the grant was on the south side of the main
Blackwater Swamp.
The will of William Clary, proved 21 July 1726 divided his land between sons
Thomas and Benjamin, and listed a small bequest for each of the other
children--a cane, a gun, a heifer, etc. (D&WB 1715-1730, part 2:590)
His son William B. Clary was probably the William Clary who in 1729 was
licensed "to keep an "ordinary" and provide good wholesome food and cleanly
lodging for travellers." (DB 1730-38, vol. 1, part1)
Hope this helps someone.
Phoebe Pantier Bush
Michael:
Sorry it has taken me so long to answer you. Regarding the Clary book, I
spoke with the son of Ralph and Star Rowland and since his parents have
passed away he has no interest in re-issueing the book. Sorry. Now for a
little of what is in the book about the VA Clarys. The book contains 588
pages including an index. Below is taken from Part IV Other Clarys of Early
America; Chapter XIII, pg 500, Clary of Virginia. A Thomas Clary is
mentioned on 32 pages throughout the book. I will be happy to do lookups
with names, dates and possible locations.
Phoebe Pantier Bush
PSBU(a)aol.com
Thomas Clarye b. ca 1630; resided in Surry Co., VA 1679; m by 1660 Judith
(Laton?) in VA. Children born in VA: Thomas Clary, Jr ca 1662; William
Clary, b ca 1665; Ann R. W. Clary b ca 1667, m. Robert Lancaster (they had a
child, Judith Lancaster who m. ? Pitt)
Thomas Clarye reached the shores of Virginia by 19 October 1663, when John
Day was granted 450 acres in Gloucester Co for having "transported" himself
and eight others to the Virginia colony. One of the eight was Thomas Clarye.
Did Judith Laton, another member of that group, later marry Thomas Clarye?
By 1660 he had a wife Judith.
Thomas' name "Clarye" in printed records, may have been "Clary," written with
a little flourish at the end that has been interpreted as an "e." Some
scribes ended nearly every name with such flourish.
A Thomas Clary had arrived in Virginia about eleven years earlier in a group
transported by John King, for which King on 10 December 1642 was granted 300
acres on the south side of the Charles River (York County). York County is
across the York River from Gloucester County, and not far from Surry County,
where Thomas Clarye settled. The two Thomases may or may not have been the
same person; he may have returned to Europe and then come back to Virginia in
1653. We have no information about a Thomas Clary during that 11 year
interval.
Thomas probably paid for his passage by working as an "indentured servant."
This system, in wide use at that time, permitted a person of limited means to
cross the Atlantic and pay later, usually by four to seven years of work.
Thomas and Judith Clarye in September 1660 bought 300 acres in Lower
Chippoakes, Lawnes Creek Parish, Surry County. He was a cooper, making and
repairing barrels and casks. Between 1660 and 1679 he witnessed several
Surry County deeds, twice served on juries which "viewed a corpse and
determined cause of death," and was a tithable (taxable) resident of Surry
County in 1668.
No will has been found for Thomas Clarye. He is assumed to have been the
father of Thomas and William of Surry County, because he is the only Clary
man found earlier than Thomas and William in Surry County records. Further
evidence of the relationship appears in the name of Thomas, and the name of
Ann Clary Lancaster's daughter Judith--named for her grandmother Judith
Clarye.
Sources: Virginia Land Patents: Surry Co. (VA) Deed Books
Colonial Surry: Will of Thomas Clary, Surry Co Will Book
1694-1709 Pt 2:378
Cavaliers and Pioneers; Early VA Immigrants
American Quaker....; Wm & Mary Q XI:85
Carol Graul; Lois Sandlin; Dr. W. M. Pritchett; Doris Hiatt
Matney;
U. S. Census
Well fellow researchers. Today I found a marriage for:
Zachariah CLEARY (CLARY) and Clary(Clara)POLLY
m: 10 Nov 1820 in Bond Co., IL
These are my ggg-grandparents. For thirty years or more the Clary
researchers in my family have all recorded her name as Mary/Polly
DEASY! Today I found out her surname is POLLY/POLLEY. We had their
marriage date, not the location, and when I began pulling up variant
spellings of the name CLARY I found them.
If anyone has other Clary family members married into the POLLY family I
would appreciate it if you would contact me.
I have already looked at the POLLEY surname message board at GenForum -
there are no messages fitting her time period or area in Illinois.
Susan Vargas
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