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Thought there may be some folks that would be
able to participate in this so I figured it was worth
Lauren Boyd Beebe
Life Member #609
Northern California Convenor, Member, Executive Board
House of Boyd Society ( HOBS)
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PART 2, THE CAVALIERS AND SERVANTS
In ALBION'S SEED, David Fischer referred to this second group of
"Distressed Cavaliers and Indentured Servants". As we go along, I think
will see why. These were a group of people who emigrated mostly from the
Southwestern English Counties of Gloucestershire, Somerset, Devonshire,
Dorset, Wiltshire, Hampshire and several others to the Chesapeake Bay
Virginia and Maryland between 1642 and 1675, the peak period being the
The reason for this migration was a bit more complicated. The Puritans
gotten control in England and the Anglicans were now being persecuted.
some of the people who left did it for the reason of religious
just as the Puritans had. But there was a secondary motivation for some.
laws of inheritance in England gave all real property to the eldest son
family. Some of those who left England were second or third sons of
families who wanted to go to a place where they could have land of their
In the beginning, Virginia attracted people of mixed religious
But the main religion was the Church of England (Episcopal). After
became a royal colony, the Assembly passed laws making the Church of
the State Church in Virginia (1632). Over a period of time, it became
and more difficult for persons of dissenting religions to remain in
About 25 percent of the persons in this second migration were from the
"elite"--they had wealth, social standing, and education in England.
were members of the Anglican Church and they were Royalist in their
The other 75 percent were from the lower classes and came as servants,
indentured servants, to work on the large plantations established by the
"cavaliers". These were poor, illiterate, and unskilled. Right away,
was a class system established in Virginia that did not exist and would
have been approved of in New England.
In this migration, males outnumbered females by about 4 to 1. A majority
those who came were unmarried males between the ages of 15 and 24.
The family feelings were just as strong in this group as among the
but different in substance. There was much more emphasis on the extended
family. Members of the same extended family tended to settle together
stay near each other. The unit of residence was the nuclear family, but
unit of association was the extended family. They flocked together in
neighborhoods and buried their dead in family plots. (Unlike New England
where there were common burial grounds in each town.) The terms
"cousin" were used more loosely--and can't always be taken literally when
found in records. Households often included servants, lodgers and
All were treated as family as long as they were in the household.
didn't seem to be suspicious of strangers as New Englanders were.
In Virginia, families tended to be smaller--mainly because the death rate
much higher. There were more step-relationships for the same reason.
group shared the Puritans' strong imperative to marry. Bachelors and
spinsters were condemned as unnatural and dangerous to society. But
was not a contract as in New England; it was a indissoluble union, a
knot that could not be untied. All marriages were performed in the state
church (Anglican) and divorce was not allowed. There were 5 required
marriage: espousal, banns, religious ceremony, marriage feast, sexual
consummation. Written permission from parents was required. Love was
thought to be necessary before marriage. When it didn't occur before, it
expected to follow. Parents had an active role in marriage decisions but
didn't usually force a child to marry against his/her will. First cousin
marriages were okay in Virginia and often happened. This followed their
pattern of "keep it in the family". Marriage feasts were
New England where they weren't allowed. The average age at marriage for
male was about the same as in New England, 25-26, but for females it was
younger, 18-20. Some men did not marry because there simply weren't
women to go around. Sexual relationships were supposed to be confined to
marriage, but punishments were not so severe as in New England and
were punished more severely than males.
The naming patterns for children followed the customs of Southwest
Children were often named for family members, but in a different pattern
New England. The eldest son was named for his paternal grandfather, next
for the maternal grandfather, next for the father. The same pattern was
for girls. They used fewer Biblical names than in New England and often
children for Kings and Knights--favorites were Robert, Richard, Edward,
George, and Charles. They also used names of Christian saints not found
the Bible and English folk names--favorites were Margaret, Jane,
Frances, and Alice. But the Biblical names of Mary, Elizabeth and Sarah
just as popular as in New England. Infant Christening was practiced.
The parents in Virginia were more indulgent than the parents in New
Children were actually encouraged to be self-willed, but they were also
expected to observe some rather elaborate rituals of self-restraint. The
elder patriarch idea was very strong and much ritual surrounded it also.
There were few schools. Children of the elite class were educated at
the poor remained illiterate. There were no townships as in New England.
People settled on plantations and there were small market villages.
The best source of records is the Episcopal Church, where all baptisms,
marriages and deaths were recorded. There was a period of about 100
when everyone had to do these things in the state church, even if not a
Compiled by Sue Roe
I really enjoyed having coffee with you this morning it was so nice!
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Michael O. Reck
2434 Forest Home Ave.
Riverside, Ohio 45404-2410
I am Looking for the parents of Margaret BOYD, b. abt 1735,
Scotland, d. 01-28-1792, St. Peters Bay, St. Johns Island, (now Prince
Edward Island CAN) w/o John Bates DINGWELL, b. abt 1730, Culloden, Scotland,
d. 1820, Prince Edward Island. They came out on the JOHN & ELIZABETH, in
1775, with their 8 children and settled in eastern P E I.
Margaret BOYD was my 5g grandmother, and I have considerable
inforemation on the descendants of John Bates DINGWELL & Margaret DINGWELL.
Must keep rooting,
Ancestral names: Armstrong, Boyce, Boyd, Brown, Coffin, Collier,
Cowan, Craswell, Davidson, Dingwell, Haliday, Heal, Hynes, Johnston,
Johnstone, Laurie, M'Donald, M'Ewen, M'Leod, M'Kie, Marshall, Morrow, Mills,
Murdoch, Stuart, Smith, Underhay, Withers, and researching; Duke, Fisher,
Garrett, and many other Eastern P.E.I. names. Database of 40,000+ names.
For more info on; COFFIN(2), CRASWELL, DINGWELL, FISHER(2), HEAL,
JAMIESON, M'EWEN, McKIE, SWALLOW, UNDERHAY, WEBSTER & WITHERS families,
check out, THE ISLAND REGISTER http://www.isn.net/~dhunter/index.html
The following was sent through the BRANDON list and I find quite helpful.
To those that would
like to use for a publication, please contact Bob Brandon at the Brandon
List for permission.
Michael O. Reck
2434 Forest Home Ave.
Riverside, Ohio 45404-2410
( Good Morning Brandon Cousins
) Come on in the coffee pots is perking.
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This time, my column will be a bit different. We're going to have a
lesson. I thought it might be helpful to many of you if I did a studyon
the four largest groups of emigrants from the British Isles to Colonial
America. They were: the PURITANS who came, primarily, from East Anglia
the Massachusetts Bay Colony between 1629 and 1640; the CAVALIERS AND
who came, primarily, from the south of England to Virginia between 1642
1675; the QUAKERS who came, primarily, from the English Midlands to
Pennsylvania between 1675 and 1725; and the SCOTCH-IRISH who came,
from the English/Scottish border counties (sometimes via northern
Virginia (via Pennsylvania) between 1717 and 1775. There were other
immigrants, but these were, by far, the largest. Therefore, most of us
ancestors in one or more of these groups.
I have written an article on each group, presenting the characteristics
are most important to a genealogist--such as, migration patterns and
practices. I did not go into things not so important to a
as architecture and sports. If you would like to study these groups in
depth, I recommend that you read the book, ALBION'S SEED: FOUR BRITISH
FOLKWAYS IN AMERICA by David Hackett Fischer, Oxford University Press,
It can be found in the History section of your local library or bookstore
(paperback edition $25.00). Much (but not all) of the material in this
article is from that book. As I describe each group, please be aware
their ways of life here in America correspond directly to their ways of
in before they came.
PART 1, THE PURITANS
It is estimated that, between the years 1629 and 1640, about 80,000
fled from England because of religious persecution. About 21,000 of them
to Massachusetts Bay Colony (the others went to Ireland, the Netherlands
the West Indies). They came from all over England, but most heavily from
East England counties of Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex, Herfordshire,
Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire, Lincolnshire, and Kent. Of the total,
60 percent were from these counties. The next largest number came from
southern counties of Dorset, Somerset, Wiltshire, Devonshire, and
Less than 10 percent came from the City of London.
The majority of the Puritans were from the middle class of English
They were educated--two thirds of the adult males could sign their own
names--and most of them could afford to pay their own passage. They
usually (about 60 percent) skilled craftsmen or tradesmen. Less than a
of them had been employed in agriculture in England. Those who did farm
followed the East Anglia practice of mixed husbandry and a trade. They
to migrate in families. More than 40 percent were adult men and women
the age of 25 and about half of them were children under the age of 16.
gender ratio was about 150 men to 100 women. Very few were elderly and
few were servants. Those servants who did come were usually already part
the family before leaving England--not part of a labor draft. With the
Puritans, the nuclear family was very important and the extended family
important as in other groups. Therefore, we don't see them migrating in
as, for example, the Scotch- Irish did. When they settled in the new
their settlements were the same style that they had been used to in
Towns, villages, and farmsteads outside of a village but no more than 1/2
from the nearest "meeting house". As a group, they tended to stay in the
Massachusetts Bay Colony (greater Boston area)--but a small minority did
migrate to the Connecticut River Valley.
The Puritans were a part of what became the Congregational Church here in
America. They subscribed to a modified Calvinist Doctrine--which can
defined by five words: depravity, covenant, election, grace, and love.
thing that was extraordinary about this group of immigrants was that they
screened. If anyone "unsuitable" showed up in the Massachusetts Bay
they were asked to leave. That was because their basic sense of order
that required unity. In spite of the fact that there were more men than
who came, among church members there were more women than men. (Nothing
The family ways of the Puritans came out of their religious convictions.
Family relationships were covenants that could be broken. Marriages,
therefore, were not usually performed by a clergyman, but by the
Divorce was allowed if the covenant was broken. Valid reasons for
were: adultery, fraudulent contract, willful desertion, and physical
It was against the law for husbands and wives to strike each other. Sex
supposed to be confined to marriage and offenders were punished
parties were punished but the men more severely than the women. The
age for marriage was higher than in any other group of immigrants. For
was age 26 and for women age 23. (This is something to consider when
to estimate a possible birth date from age at marriage.) There was a
imperative to marry--those who did not were ostracized. Therefore, 98
of men and 94 percent of women did get married. The practice of celibacy
disapproved of by the Puritans. Both parents and children had to consent
before a marriage could take place--and parents were not allowed to
consent arbitrarily. They had to have a valid reason. The Puritans
for love--there were no arranged marriages. Courtship practices were
and weddings were simple affairs. Banns had to be posted before a
could take place. First cousin marriages were forbidden and second
marriages were discouraged.
Families were larger among the Puritans than any other group. They did
approve of doing anything to prevent pregnancy and they valued their
very much. The naming of a child was not a trivial matter. Biblical
were preferred and they named children after family members. Ninety
of all Puritan children had Biblical names--this is much higher than in
other group of immigrants. The most common names for boys were John,
Samuel and Josiah; the most common for girls were Mary, Elizabeth and
followed by Hannah, Rebecca, Anne, Deborah, Huldah, Abigail, Rachel and
These were all names of Biblical persons of great virtue. The hope was
the child would follow in the footsteps of the namesake. Some names were
forbidden: Jesus, Emmanuel, Christopher, Gabriel, Michael, Angel, etc.
did not allow anyone to have Christ's name or the name of an angel.
were thought to be much too unworthy for such names. Children were never
named after God- parents as in some other groups, but were often named
family members. Two thirds of all eldest children in a Puritan family
named after their parents; this was followed by grandparents and other
relatives (omitting, of course, any disapproved names). Children were
named for a previous child who had died. A small group of Puritans (only
about 1 percent) from the area of Sussex gave oratory names to their
(i.e. Be-worthy, Safely-on-high, Kill-sin, etc.).
Puritans were strict parents who loved their children very much but
their wills needed to be broken (due to basic depravity of human nature).
This will-breaking was achieved by strict and rigorous supervision in
the fathers took an active part. They tried to use mental discipline and
but, if it didn't work, they were quick to use physical constraints. The
practice of "sending out" was used. Children often were sent to stay
other families for training, discipline, apprenticeship, etc.
Puritans had a great respect for the elderly and ranked people according
age. The elderly had the best seats in the meeting house, held the
offices, etc. This was because they believed that God, the bestower of
gave them long life for a purpose--to influence the younger generation to
salvation. The Puritans valued education. All children were taught to
by parents or masters; schools were available very early; and four
were founded prior to the Revolution.
When looking for records in New England, your two best sources are town
records (marriages were recorded here) and Congregational Church records
burials and baptisms--the Puritans practiced infant baptism). In many
the church records were turned over to the town clerk and everything will
found in the town records. Later on, marriages began to be performed and
recorded by clergymen. The best bet is to do a thorough search of both!
Compiled by Sue Roe
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Michael O. Reck
2434 Forest Home Ave.
Riverside, Ohio 45404-2410
At 05:32 PM 26 05 1998 -0700, you wrote:
>Subject: Boyd of Northumberland, PA
>This work is based on work by Dr and Mrs Herbert Reed Boyd and Howard
Vallance Jones (whose address I do not have).
Dr. Howard V. Jones
18 Winter Ridge Road
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
Howard is a retired history professor --Univ. of Northern Iowa.
He is a descendant of Robert & Jennet Boyd of Chester Co., PA. Their son
John Boyd m. Lettice (--?--) and had Robert Boyd who m. Ann (--?--). Robert
and Ann moved to Iredell Co. NC. By 1786 Robert & Ann had moved to
Kentucky. Robert died 1793 in Davidson Co. Tennessee.
Sorry about the first attempt to send this.
I will be on vacation in upper Michigan for about 10 days. Hope the list runs
smoothly while I am gone.
Richard G. Boyd, Listowner
Excerpted from Annals of the Boyd Family, The Boyds of
Penkill and Trochague, Florence Robertson Cameron, 1963
WILLIAM BOYD, FOURTH AND LAST EARL OF KILMARNOCK OF THE
FAMILY OF BOYD, AND GREAT GRANDSON OF THE FIRST EARL
We now come to 1745 and the most interesting part played in
the affair of the "45" by William Boyd last Earl of
Kilmarnock of that Family. I refrain from using the word
"rebellion", following the example of the good Queen Victoria
(the latter part of whose reign I well remember being then of
"teenage"!) She would never allow that particular word to be
used in connection with the "Jacobite Movement". To under-
stand the inner significance of that "Movement" we must
always bear in mind that Jacobitism was synonomous with the
Roman Catholic Religion, and for compelling it on this
country James II lost his throne. My own belief is that
Charles Edward Stuart had no intention of forcing that
religion on the people of England. He had little respect for
the Pope, and refused to bow to his Holiness long before he
reached Scotland. In the end we know that he became a member
of the Church of England. His great passion was to restore
the Throne of his ancestors, and that he very nearly did.
Also we must take into consideration the very corrupt reigns
of the Hanoverian Georges, under which the morale of England
had sunk lower than at any other time of its history. It is
recorded that never was the Church so neglected and mis-used
as in the day of the Hanoverian regime. It was through them
that we had the American War and lost those valuable
Why then did William Boyd, the Earl of Kilmarnock, join the
Prince's army after his own and his family's life-long
devotion to Protestanism? It is a difficult question,
especially as his own two sons were fighting in the
Hanoverian army. There have been various reasons given, some
very unworthy, such as the poverty of his house which he
hoped to redeem. But I have discovered on close reading, that
in some way he had been offered offence by the Hanoverian
Government; and such offences were not uncommon under the
Georges. We can readily believe that an upright man such as
the Earl proved himself to be, could scarcely approve of the
intense profligacy of the Court at that time.
William Boyd (of that ilk) married Lady Anne Livingstone of
Linlithgow and Callander, of which she was heiress. Her
father the Earl of Linlithgow and Callander, had been
attainted for joining in the affair of 1715, that abortive
attempt to set the Prince's father on the Throne. She was
also presumptive heiress of the Earldom of Erroll.
Old paintings show a beautiful woman and she was accomplished
and very strong in the Stuart cause. There were three sons of
the marriage, but his Lordship was the last to inhabit the
Castle of Dean in Kilmarnock which was destroyed by fire in
We read then, that the Earl changed his allegiance from the
House of Hanover to the House of Stuart, and though it was
later denied that his Countess was the moving cause in his
change of allegiance because of her intense partisanship of
the Stuarts, at the same time we read that there was some
particular slight put on the Earl by the Government.
There is no doubt that the position of the Countess (who was
of the High Church Party) did not help him in the eyes of the
Hanoverian Government. I have always been told by my mother
that the Countess, having met and been charmed by Prince
Charles at the big reception in Edinburgh, never ceased to
beg him to follow the Prince, so that in the end he threw in
his lot with the Jacobites.
Callander House still stands in its own fine grounds not far
from Falkirk, and here the Earl and his Countess entertained
Prince Charles Stuart right royally when on his march to
Edinburgh, while his army lay among the fields in the
vicinity. The Countess comes into prominence again when
General Hawley of the Hanoverian Army quartered himself at
Callander House when on his way north in pursuit of the
Jacobite army. By her wit and her beauty she so captivated
the General that she managed to prevent his return to his
army until it was too late. When at last he tore himself away
from her charms the Battle of Falkirk was won by the Prince's
QUOTATIONS FROM LOCAL HISTORY.
"Hawley, in his supreme contempt for the Highlanders, had
omitted to take the ordinary precautions against surprise.
Comfortably seated before a roaring fire in Callander House
in the full enjoyment of his fair hostess's fascinating
society, he paid no attention to the repeated reports brought
to him by his aide-de-camp from the camp, that the "insur
gents were on the march." When at last Lieut. Colonel Howard
was certain that the Highland army was upon them, he rode at
once to Callander House. But Hawley, oblivious to all but his
own personal comfort, refused to be warned and was still
dallying with the Countess who, for reasons of her own, was
plying him with the best of wines and viands.
He was only irritated by Howard's information, and ordered
the men to put on their accoutrements, but no necessity to be
under arms" He boasted that two regiments of Dragoons were
sufficient to over-ride the whole "rebel army". (It is
recorded that when at last the General realized the truth of
the advance of the enemy, he galloped from Callander House
without his hat.) If ever a General failed by underestimat-
ing his enemy, it was General Hawley, who thus lost the
Battle of Falkirk to the Prince.
The part played in the rear by the Countess of Kilmarnock is
so interesting a story that it is well worth recording in the
words of Archibald M'Kay in his history of Kilmarnock
published in 1864.
"An anecdote in connection with the Battle of Falkirk is told
of the Earl's Lady. She was then residing at Callander House
in the vicinity; and in order to divert the attention of the
General, the Commander of the King's troops, from the move-
ments of the Prince, she insidiously invited him to break-
fast. This well-made scheme was in some degree successful;
for Hawley was so fascinated by the elegant appearance and
charm of the Countess, that he passed several hours in her
company. During this time Prince Charles found ample
opportunity for choosing as he did a favourable position for
In short the General had so far forgot his duty that he had
ultimately to be apprised of the situation of his enemy by a
messenger who was hurriedly despatched to him. And such - it
is said was his confusion of mind when leaving Callander
House - that he left his hat behind, and galloped bare-headed
to the scene."
The Earl of Kilmarnock was received by the young Chevalier
with every mark of esteem and distinction. He was at once
made Colonel of the Guards, and promoted to the rank of
General. At the Battle of Falkirk he was a principal actor.
The Battle of Falkirk was fought on the afternoon of January
17th, 1746, in a fearful storm of wind and rain. Hawley left
400 men wounded upon the field with all his baggage, tents,
and guns and ammunition. It was a complete victory for the
The Prince then marched on to Sterling, but by the time he
reached there, the Duke of Cumberland of vile fame, had
arrived in Scotland with huge reinforcements for the Royal
(I hope everyone enjoyed this little piece of Scottish/Boyd
history and the role in which the 4th Earl's wife played in
one battle in which the Bonnie Prince came away the victor.)
[RG Boyd, ClanBoyd Listowner. I have a copy of this book in
it's entirety if anyone is interested. RBoyd1033(a)Aol.com]
Mrs. Edwina Goddard is a long time Life member of the House of Boyd Society.
I will send by private message her mailing address. As far as I know she does
not have an Email address.
Richard G. Boyd, Listowner
In Scotland, most of the Boyds came from the Ayrshire area so that would be
a good place to start.
Official registration started in 1855 so Robert's birth was before that so
that makes things much harder to trace.
You say he married before 1866, so you mean his children were born after
that time in Pennsylvania ?
If you knew that he married in Scotland in 1866, it would be possible to
find him in the records in Edinburgh but I suspect that that is not the
case from what you said about where he lived.
Have you access to a Family History Society run by the Church of Latter Day
Saints ( Mormons) . From what I am told from people in the States , these
FHS are pretty widespraed and are very helpful. They have microfilms of the
Old Parish Records of Scotland and have indexed most of the Baptisimal and
Marriage records . These indexes are called the IGI, which are indexed
according to areas. As you don't know which area to look in, try checking
their CD ROM which isn't indexed geographically.
Hope this helps
Let me know how you get on with this or if this means absolutely nothing to
I've taken a bit of time to get back to you but I've been trying to work
out how Badenheath was passed from L1 Robert 5th Lord Boyd to P1 William
Lord Boyd, 1st Earl of Kilmarnock.
I checked and the book I got my information from. It is "Kirkintilloch,
Town and Parish" by Thomas Watson, a Native. There is no date of
publication but there is a handwritten note on the flyleaf with a name and
date of 1894.
David and I went to Badenheath on Wednesday evening and spent a very
pleasant few hours walking round the farm with James Rankin ( the son) and
his father Willie Rankin who brought out all the papers he had on the
history of the place. He had arial photographs of the field opposite which
had been taken in the drought of 1976 and which showed the Roman Fort which
was there. He had old photos of the Tower or Castle as he called it and
told us about how he climbed up the chimmney on VE Day to set a Union Jack
up on a flag pole which stayed there until it rotted because it was too
dangerous to go up and take it down again.. He also told us about playing
there as a boy and that they thought there was a secret tunnel to Bedlay
Castle ( about a mile away ) . The bridge leading to the farm had " Our
Lord's Bridge " written on it until the motorway was built and it was
strengthened, covering up or destoying the sign.
We took photos of the plaques which are set above the door of the byre,
they aren't Arms I'm afraid. Just two plaques which have , or I should
say,had, initials on them. The first said W E K with a curved crown above
it and the second was the same with ? C K . James said that they meant
William Earl of Kilmarnock and Isabella Countess of Kilmarnock but as the
first letter was gone I don't know. His mother had thought it was Margaret
Countess of Kilmarnock but I am pretty sure it was J for Jean because they
also have a plate which has 1661 on it which would mean the date that the
first Earl who was married to Jean Cunningham became Earl.
I had said in my message of the 16th that -
> On 20th March 1617, Robert Boyd was served heir to Robert Boyd, a
brother of his grandfather. <
That isn't a misprint but my explaination at the end of that message was
complete rubbish, particularily when I said-
>So from what I have above on who Badenheath was passed to it seems that
Robert who made his will in 1611 actually died in 1617 without an heir so
the lands were passed to Robert, 6th Lord Boyd who was his grandfather's
I've checked what my book says against your notes on the Cheifs of the Clan
and now know who Robert Of Badenheath whose will I quoted was. You have
probably worked this out but I will give my understanding of it.
Robert of Badenheath ( M3) fought at the Battle of Langside with his father
Robert ( L1) and his brother Thomas, Master of Boyd ( M2). From his will it
appears that he lived at Badenheath and was attached to his church ,
Leinzie Kirk or The Auld Aisle and was concerned about the people who
worked his land. On his death c 1617, the lands passed to Robert ( O1) .
Robert M3 was Robert O1's grandfathers brother, not the other way round.
The grandfather of Robert O1, was Thomas M2, who also fought at Langside.
In 1629 the land passes to Robert P1, the son of Robert O1. In 1641 , James
O2 inherits from Robert P1 and then it goes to William Lord Boyd, First
Earl of Kilmarnock.
As you said - > (I think I have it correct as to whom you are refering to).
appear to be the Head of the Kilmarnock family - my O1 and P1 and then O2
and O2/P1. If this is correct this would suggest that Badenheath passed
into the ownership of the Head of the Clan or did the Boyds of Badenheath
only rent it from the Kilmarnock family as the Clan system was still in
operation at this time and all the land would have belonged to the Head of
the Clan rather than individuals within it. If my understanding of the
clan system is correct.<
I think you are right about the Clan system. Although Robert ( M3) appears
to have lived at Badenheath there is no evidence of any other members of
the family living there until 1661 when William and Jean were having
children in Kirkintilloch after 1661.
In your message - More Children of First Earl- dated 20th may , you asked
about the IGI entries that you found which had the place headings as Town,
Parish - Dunbarton , Kirkintilloch. On the IGI this means Kirkintilloch in
the County of Dunbartonshire. The headings are not accurate .
You said that he land of Bedlay came from the Colquhoun family with the
marriage of Robert Boyd ( L1 ) to Margaret Colquhoun, daughter of George
Colquhoun and Margaret Boyd. Margaret is described as " cousin germain"
which I take to mean " true or real cousin" so they are connected farther
back but when we don't yet know.. I am assuming for the time being that
Bedlay and Badenheath would have been owned jointly as they are so close (
a mile apart). You said that Bedlay came from the Colquhoun family but I
think this really means from the Boyds, through Margaret Boyd, married to
>>On page 161 of The Scots Peerage, by Sir Paul Balfour said "By which
marriage the estates of Glens, Bedlay, Benheath, Stablegreen of Glasgow
and other Lands passed to the Boyds." [I assume Benheath is a different
land/estate than Badenheath. Marion would you know if this is correct?]<<
I think that Benheath is Badenheath, I've looked for a reference to it
being spelled Bedheath and can't find one but as you will know, spelling
was phonetic and I have seen it spelled , Badenheath, Banheath, Badeheath,
Badinyath, Badinath and Badinhaithe. Incidentally , I had been pronouncing
Badinheath with a hard a , as in Bade, whereas the Rankins pronounce it
with a soft a , as in Bad.
You said >> As I do not know the histroy of the Bedlay land and when it was
the Colquhoun family, I can't say if it was owned by the Badenheath Boyd's
or not. <<
I will check out the history of Bedlay. The House still stands and I know I
can find out about it at Kirkintilloch Library.
Greetings all. The search goes on for those hard to find BOYDs. Info at
hand indicates that John BOYD and his wife Jane BARNARDOE (or Barnado, or
Varnardo, or Varnado) came to SC from Ireland (some say County Down, others
say County Amarah, etc) aboard a ship (??) with a family named TYAGGRT
(Tayggart, etc) in the mid 1700s. It is reported that John received a land
grant from King George III on Brushy Creek, Union District, SC. Some say
John was a minister, others say he served in the Revolutionary War in SC.
John and Jane had eight children: Jane, Joseph, Nathan, David Leslie, Samuel
(married Mary Ann "Polly" ??Thompson??), John, Nancy (married Abraham
Keasler - moved to Itawamba Co, MS, but returned to Union District, SC), and
Elizabeth. John's will was proven in 1815, and Jane died in 1835. Some of
the children are mentioned in the will. Samuel, along with his mother Jane,
was an administrator of John's will. Samuel with his wife and children
moved to MS., some say he first settled in Yazoo Co, MS, but then moved to
Monroe Co, MS. Never the less Samuel died in Monroe Co., MS, in 1860, and
his death is recorded in the Green Thompson ROBERDS (yes, ROBERDS is
correct) family Bible. And there is other reliable info on this branch of
the family in MS. However, our brick wall lies in SC. What ship did John &
Jane come from Ireland on? When and where did ship land? Were they
considered "poor Protestants" as a basis of admission to the Colony? Is
there a record of the land grant to John from King George? There is a
suggestion that Jane's surname was VARNADO or some variation of that
spelling, and that she was a French Huguenot. It was suggested that Jane
might have immigrated from France to Ireland and married John there. There
is further confusion since a John BOYD and his wife Jane BARNARDOE were
discovered in the Newberry District of SC in 1802 as John was reported
having died there. My attempts to determine the exact location of the
Union/Newberry District line between 1750 - 1815 have proven futile. Could
this be the same family, and the district line changed, or someone was
mistaken as to location an mistakenly listed John & Jane there??? Can
anyone help me unravel this mystery? Offer any leads? Give any counsel?
Any help/assistance/advice greatly appreciated.
And may God continue to bless America as we remember those who made the
ultimate sacrifice for our freedom. Freedom is not free. The cost of
freedom is beyond calculation. Sincerely,
"Every family tree is bound to have some SAP in it."
Greetings all. Several weeks ago I discovered one Christopher C. BOYD who
was born in Mississippi on Nov 30, 1839. I found his name and enlistment
information in an account of The Lamar Rifles, a unit organized by a Captain
Lamar in the Lafayette Co, MS, area at the beginning of The Civil War. That
data stated that BOYD was age 19, and a clerk in Oxford (Lafayette Co, MS)
at the time of enlistment. He was wounded on two occasions and was declared
disabled as a result of those wounds. At the 1901 reunion of The Lamar
Rifles in Oxford, MS., BOYD was reported as living in Water Valley,
Yalobusha Co, MS.
The following information was taken from the markers in the BOYD Family plot
at Oak Hill Cemetery, Water Valley, MS.
Christopher C. Boyd, b Nov 30, 1839, d Jan 21, 1928.
Elizabeth F. Bartlett, wife of Christopher C. Boyd, b june 06, 1850, d Oct
Christopher C. Boyd, Jr., b Mar 12, 1880, d Jan 13, 1895.
Mary E. (??) wife of Robert L. Boyd, b June 08, 1818, d June 06, 1893.
Lula Cunningham, daughter of ???(unreadable) Boyd, b Mar 01, 1816, d Oct 30,
Benton Boyd, son of R.L. & M.E. Boyd, b June 08, 1835, d Oct 20, 1882.
James Gordon Boyd, b Sept 23, 1882, d July 06, 1955.
Mary Boyd Burns, 1886 - 1965.
David Leo Burns, (buried next to Mary Boyd Burns) b Sept 22, 1886, death
Louis Bartlett Boyd. b July 31, 1870, d June 01, 1903.
Addison Brooks Boyd, 1884 - 1953.
In the BLOUNT family plot, not far from the BOYD plot, I found: Lyda Boyd,
1873-1915. She was buried next to Walter Claude (BLOUNT) 1871-1932.
I am seeking any info about this BOYD family. Who were Christopher C.
BOYD's parents and siblings? Was Mary E. ?? wife of Robert L. Boyd his
parents? Was Lula his sister or aunt? There was no marker in this plot for
Robert L. Boyd if he was buried there.
Any info appreciated.
"Every family tree is bound to have some SAP in it."
I just recently started on the Irish side of my family. I am currently
researching info. on John Boyd, He immigrated here in 1866, per the 1900
census record, for SC. I would like info on his parents and his wife. He
married Matilda O'Brien, this was his second marriage. The first was
Matilda's sister. I know Matilda was born in Augusta Ga. John was born in
Ireland and he had 5 children,Ella Claire, Mattie, Frank, John. They owned a
farm in Mt. Pleasant, SC. His brother Frank also lived with him. John died in
1905. Any info would be appreciated. Thanx. Lisa
FYI, I was researching some non-Boyd ancestors from eastern Ohio, and found a
considerable number of Boyds in Guernsey County going clear back to the 1830
census, which is online at www.rootsweb.com/~ohguerns/. They have 1840, 1850,
and 1880 on line also.
These aren't my Boyds, but some of you might find an ancestor in there
somewhere. Happy hunting.
Mike Boyd of Australia and other list members,
I have read and studied the contents of Frederick Tilghman Boyd's Book "
the Boyd Clan and Related Families" from cover to cover and do not see proof
connection of the James Boyd in Newbury, Massachusetts to James Boyd, son of
Robert Boyd, son of the 1st Earl of Kilmarnock.
The chart on page 4 shows the connection but upon further inspection I find no
paper proof that it is so (birth record, baptism, death certificate, etc.,
If anyone knows of paper proof connection I would be happy to have a copy of
As far as I can see there are several James Boyd's in the records of New
England at this point in America's history who could have been this James
I would also like to bring to everyone's attention (those who have a copy of
the book) that the picture on page 23 which is identified as the 4th Earl of
Kilmarnock, William Boyd, is actually a picture (or rather a copy of a
painting) of the 1st Earl, William Boyd.
Richard G. Boyd
I am just beginning to search my father's side of the family. Based on US
Census records (1880), I know that my first paternal grandfather, Robert Boyd,
was born in 1842, somewhere in Scotland. He married sometime before 1866, &
resided in Northeastern Pennsylvania, near Scanton, either Lucerne or
My grandfather, Robert boyd, was this 3rd child, and he was born in PA in
Any help in figuring out how I now trace him back to Scotland would be most
Thanks in advance.
Hello BOYD Researchers,
I have deed information that puts the following from my bunch in the
indicated places in 1900. Does anyone recognize any of these BOYDs?
Joseph M. Boyd in Monroe Co., TN
Jefferson A. Boyd in Monroe Co., TN
John Franklin Boyd in Denton Co., TX
Robert Lee Boyd in Monroe Co., TN
William W. Boyd in Knox Co., TN (deed has name as W.N. Boyd, my record says
Thomas M. Boyd
107 Ruth Lane
Rogers, AR 72756
While collecting various origins on the Boyd I have come across the
following articles by a Mr. J. H. (Horace) Round [I think these were
written in the early 1900's]
1. Mr J H Round (See his paper on the origin of the Stewarts in the
Genealogist, N.S., xviii, 13)
2. J. H. Round demonstrated in his paper on the Cheney family (The
Genealogist, new series, 18, p 13)
In the reference that gives these two articles I think he is saying that
Simon was the result of a second marriage by alan Fitz-Flaad wife.
Has anyone been able to read these articles and is the conclusion correct?
If it is should it be included on the Boyd home page?
This is perhaps your the Scottish members of this group.
>From the early 1990's when I started to collect information about the Clan
Boyd one of the things that has puzzled me has been when James Boyd (T2)
became Earl of Erroll in 1758 and changed his name to Hay he became the
Head of the Hay Clan.
The literature would suggest that he ALSO remained the Head of the Clan
Boyd. Or did Clan Boyd become a "broken Clan" ie without a head for the
period 1758 to 1941 when the present Lord Kilmarnock's father once again
assumed the name of Boyd and I assume the Head of Clan Boyd.
This point of Scottish tradition I have not been able to find an answer
for. Is there someone who might be able to clear up this point of
succession for me please.