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John Cissell (as opposed to John Cecil ?***?): from Karen Salisbury: In
Colonial Settlers of St. Clement's Bay 1734-1780, St. Mary's County, Md, by
Mary Louise Donnelly, Will: Probated 16 June 1698, Appraised 26 July 1698,
...Ship Martha Constant...
He had the ship I believe-we know he had money since he seems to have bought
land immediately: "Colonial Settlers, St. Clement's Bay 1734-1780, St.
Mary's County, Maryland" by Mary Louise Donnelly, states "John Cissell
(Cecil), a Catholic, immigrated to the Province of Maryland in 1658 from
Wales, England (Patents 4:29). He married Mary __________. Upon his
arrival, John Cissell was a man of means as he purchased a number of tracts
in St. Mary's County. He became possessor of 150 acres of "White Acre"
which on 12-Nov-1652 had been patented for William Brough on 25-Nov-1642,
who died in 1651leaving his total estate to his wife Sarah (w 1:37).
He also married a Calvert as his second wife. So I do not think he is the
same as the indentured Cecil's you mention below. I do think, though, that
the Barbados records could be key, along with the ownership records of the
"Constant Martha." I wonder if any one else has done research on this and
noted something that would help.
MELISSA THOMPSON ALEXANDER
ma.da(a)gte.net
edmonds, washington, usa
-----Original Message-----
From: Pence234(a)aol.com [mailto:Pence234@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 1:36 PM
To: ma.da(a)gte.net
Subject: Re: new info available through LDS IGI brings doubt that Thomas
Cecil father ...
In a message dated 1/11/01 9:34:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, ma.da(a)gte.net
writes:
<<
"John and family had a sailing vessel called the "Martha Constant" that
plied between Barbados Colony and the Maryland Colony, plus visits to
Nevis,
Virgin Islands. Some of these sailings could have been made for the
transport of indentured servants. Barbados dated from 1627 with the
British, Maryland dated 1632 and Nevis dated from 1627-28 with the
British."
>>
Hi Melissa et everybody!
I don't know source of John Cecil (or Cissell) having a ship called the
"Martha Constant." I DO know that from February of 1658 to March of 1680,
at
least 13 people were indentured servants from England sent to Barbados,
Nevis, Maryland and Virginia. These men and women were indentured to John,
Richard, Walter, James, John Jr. Cecil. Two of these people, both
indentured
James and John Cecil, were transported on the ship "Martha Constant."
There were several Cecils in Barbados at the time--including a James and
Martin Cecil. Also living in Barbados about 1656 was Captain John
Higginbotham. This is of note because he migrated to Maryland and his
descendants ended up in Tazewell, Virginia, about the same time that my
Cecil
line moved there. Katherine Higginbotham is a descendant of both lines, and
did lots of genealogy in the past (I don't believe that she is still
living.)
Anyway, the puzzle gets more convoluted! If anybody wants more detail on
this (such as names, etc.) I have them. Just don't know WHICH Cecils are
involved, but it suggests a contact between those Cecils of Barbados and the
Cecils of Maryland and Virginia.
Penny
The information Donna Van Zandt (ever so helpful) sent included obituary
information on Cecelia Cecil Phipps which addressed how devout of Catholics
her parents were. I wonder if James Wilford "Wilford" Cecil was really
born a Cissell and came from one of those KY branches that changed from
Cissell to Cecil. It would be a line that had James, Benedict, Joseph among
the common surnames, perhaps. What do the rest of you think?
MELISSA THOMPSON ALEXANDER
ma.da(a)gte.net
edmonds, washington, usa
-----Original Message-----
From: Elizabeth Earl Cecil [mailto:ceciler@swbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2001 3:40 PM
To: ma.da(a)gte.net
Subject: Re: James Wilford Cecil's children
Wilford Cecil b abt 28 Mar 1787 Maryland, d. 10 Feb 1878 Adams CO., IL
Mary Ann Martin abt 1790 d 27 April 1867 Woodville, Adams Co., IL>
m 13 Jan 1812 Franklin Co, KY
Children:
Benedict b 1813 KY; d abt 15 Oct 1860 Sandy Point, Brazoria Co,TX
Joseph Walton b abt 1814 KY
William abt 1818 KY
Andrew Martin abt 1819 KY
Susan b abt 1820 KY
Teresa 10 May 1823 Lexington, Fayette, KY
Lutica abt 1825 KY
Cecilia abt 1827 KY
Catherine abt 4 Apr 1830
Barney abt 1832 Ohio
Young abt 1834
Henry abt 1836 IL
There were possibly others.
Roddy Cecil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Melissa Alexander" <ma.da(a)gte.net>
To: <CECIL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 6:25 PM
Subject: James Wilford Cecil's children
> I just have children Teresa and Cecelia-but these are not necessarily the
> only children of this marriage. Maybe others have the children
documented.
>
> MELISSA THOMPSON ALEXANDER
> ma.da(a)gte.net
> edmonds, washington, usa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jennie Cecil [mailto:JennieCecil@webtv.net]
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 9:03 AM
> To: ma.da(a)gte.net
> Subject: Cecil
>
> I am trying to do some family history. I have a James Wilford
> Cecil and a Mary(don't know her maiden name) have at least two sons:
> Andrew Martin Cecil b. 1818 and a William Y. Cecil b.1819. What I'm
> wondering is if by any chance your James Cecil is the same guy that I'm
> looking for. If you have any information that could help me it would be
> greatly appreciated. Thank You.
> Jennie
>
I agree the Susan C Greenwell looks suspicious. I don't have better
information at this time.
MELISSA THOMPSON ALEXANDER
ma.da(a)gte.net
edmonds, washington, usa
-----Original Message-----
From: Teddy Ronan [mailto:tronan@sccoast.net]
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 2:34 AM
To: ma.da(a)gte.net
Subject: Re: Cissell Reference
The difference in age between George and Susan Columbia gives rise to
questions. 52-54 years
seams a bit much. Also,
I have a Susan C. Greenwell b. abt. 1856, d. 1944 married to Martin Francis
Drury in Union
County, KY. The dates given indicate these Susans are one and the same.
Can you comment? Also,
who were the parents of Martin Yates (though I really wonder if this tree
can take one more
Martin)?
Melissa Alexander wrote:
> The Cissell children are the children of Ann French Yate's daughter
> Catherine, who married Zachariah Cissell. I did not have the children,
but
> they probably did not end up with the father-so would not show up in
census
> records with Zachariah.
>
> Descendants of Catherine Yates
>
> Generation No. 1
>
> 1. Catherine4 Yates (Martin3, Martin2, Martin1) was born
December 01,
> 1776 in SMC, MD, and died Bef. 1805. She married Zachariah Cissell Aft.
> April 14, 1795 in SMC, MD1, son of John Cissell and Rebecca Unknown. He
was
> born June 21, 1771 in SMC, MD2,3, and died in Marion Co, KY.
>
> Notes for Zachariah Cissell:
> His godparents are William Russell and Mary Davis
>
> More About Zachariah Cissell:
> Christening: St Inigoe's Mission, St. Mary's Co, MD, sponsors William
> Russell and Mary Davis4
>
> Children of Catherine Yates and Zachariah Cissell are:
> 2 i. Priscilla5 Cissell, born January 16, 1802 in
Marion Co, KY; died Abt.
> 1803 in Died young.
> 3 ii. Dorothy Cissell5, born Bet. 1800 - 1804.
> + 4 iii. George Cissell, born Bet. 1802 - 1804.
>
> Generation No. 2
>
> 4. George5 Cissell (Catherine4 Yates, Martin3, Martin2, Martin1)6
was born
> Bet. 1802 - 1804. He married Susan Columbia Greenwell. She was born
1858,
> and died 1944.
>
> Children of George Cissell and Susan Greenwell are:
> 5 i. George H.6 Cissell, born 1877.
> 6 ii. Joseph Cissell, born 1878; died 1959. He married
Sallie Brown.
> 7 iii. William Thomas Cissell, born 1879.
>
> Endnotes
>
> 1. Marriages of St. Mary's County, MD 1634-1900by Margaret K. Fresco
> Eastern Shore Regional Library, Salisbury, MD 21801
> 2. O'Rourke, Births St. Andrews Epis. Church, Leonardtown, Maryland.
> 3. Donna Van Zandt (donavan(a)netins.net.
> 4. Donna Van Zandt (donavan(a)netins.net) research.
> 5. Teddy Ronan tronan(a)sccoast.net, from will of Martin French in regards
to
> his sister Ann French Yates.
> 6. Teddy Ronan tronan(a)sccoast.net, from will of Ann French Yeats.
>
> MELISSA THOMPSON ALEXANDER
> ma.da(a)gte.net
> edmonds, washington, usa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Teddy Ronan [mailto:tronan@sccoast.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 3:20 AM
> To: MDSTMARY-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [MDSTMARY-L] Petition of Samuel Greenwell
>
> I posted the following yesterday in a query about Martin FRENCH, then
> promptly sat down to figure it out. I'll be danged if it makes any
> sense to me. The numbers just don't seem to add up. Can someone help me
> interpret. This is the best I could do:
> Martin left no will: "d.intestate" (this is about the only thing I'm
> sure of)
> Brothers and sisters of Martin were: Mary French Greenwell (deceased),
> James French, Raphael French and Ann French Yates (deceased). Each of
> these siblings received 1/5 of the pot (4/5ths) Mary French Greenwell's
> portion was passed to Samuel Greenwell (was he husband or son?). Ann
> French Yates portion was divided into 6ths and passed to Ann's children
> ??? Ignatius, William, Martin (but he got 1/5), Eleanor, Barton,
> Susannah. Where to Dorothy and George Cissell fit in? Also mentioned
> are Eleanor French and John French who received the last 5th, heirs of
> Ignatius (though not brother and sister of Martin??) This document
> would also indicate that Martin left no children, is that a fair
> assumption? Help me please, as this hugely impacts my siblings of
> Martin, son of Ignatius.
>
> "8/1/1804: Petition of Samuel Greenwell shows that a certain Martin
> French
> d. intestate on or about April 20, 1804 seized of "Twittenham", leaving
> your petitioner, heir and representative of Mary Greenwell (deceased)
> who
> was sister to sd. Martin French and entitled to 1/5 part; James French,
> a
> brother 1/5 part; Raphael French, 1/5 part; Susanna Greenwell, Eleanor
> Brown, William Yates, Ignatius Yates, Eleanor French, John French,
> Dorothy
> Cissell, George Cissell, and Barton Yates, which last mentioned five are
>
> infants, his legal representatives. Eleanor French and John French,
> heirs
> of Ignatius French, 1/5; 1/6 to Barton Yates, heir; Martin Yates, dec'd
> who
> was one of the heirs of Ann Yates,dec'd, sister of the dec'd, 1/5; the
> others 1/6 or 1/5 pt. to Susanna Greenwell, one of the heirs of Ann
> Yates,
> sister of the dec'd; Eleanor Yates, 1/6 of 1/5 of Ann Yates; William
> Yates,
> 1/6 of 1/5 pt. of Ann Yates, sister of the dec'd; 1/6 of 1/5 pt. to
> Ignatius Yates, of Ann Yates, sister of the dec'd; Dorothy Cissell and
> George Cissell of Catherine Cissell, repres. of Ann Yates. Purchased by
>
> Andrew Somerville, highest bidder. (SMC Land Commission Records, JH #5,
>
> f.194)."
I envy you your travels and ability to check the records. One possible
angle is to track down the registry and ownership of this:
"John and family had a sailing vessel called the "Martha Constant" that
plied between Barbados Colony and the Maryland Colony, plus visits to Nevis,
Virgin Islands. Some of these sailings could have been made for the
transport of indentured servants. Barbados dated from 1627 with the
British, Maryland dated 1632 and Nevis dated from 1627-28 with the British."
If you ever have the chance-this ship and it's history may shed light.
Thanks again for sharing.
MELISSA THOMPSON ALEXANDER
ma.da(a)gte.net
edmonds, washington, usa
-----Original Message-----
From: dcissell(a)annapolis.net [mailto:dcissell@annapolis.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 5:06 PM
To: Melissa Alexander
Cc: CECIL-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: new info available through LDS IGI brings doubt that Thomas
Cecil father of John Baptist Cissell
Melissa,
I have tried to do some work related to the John Cicill of Aughton Near
Selby,
Yorkshire over the last two years of so. My main interest continues to be
finding the birthplace or parents of the John Cecil who came to St. Mary's
County, MD in 1658. Yorkshire would not have been an unusually place for
him to have come from given the bithplaces of the Shirtciffs and others.
Still
no success yet though, but let me provide what information I have gathered
on this family grouping.
I spent 1 day in York and visited the Borthwick Institute of Historical
Research
there. It rained a bit, but I can recommend the pub across the street and
down a bit! Parish records there, in Ref PR.AUG.1, covering dates from
1610 to 1653 provided the following information from the parish register for
Aughton:
1627 Elizabeth Cicell, wife of John Cicell of Eastcottinwth buried 2 July.
1631 John Cicill sonne of John Cicill of Eastcottinwth baptised 19th
February.
1635 Francis Sissell dau: of John Sissell of Lanthom baptised 13th
September.
1635 Francis Sissell dau: of John Sissell of Lathom buried 28th September.
1636 John Cicill of Eastcottinwth buried 7th December.
1638 John Cicill sonne of John Cicill of Lathom baptised 28 October.
1640 Hugh Cicill sonne of John Cicill of Lathom baptised 8 November.
1644 Edward Sissill sonne of John Sissell buried 20 June.
It appears, then that there were two John Cicells born about this time. Did
either of them come to Maryland? Where were the families prior to 1627? [I
do not know.]
I spent a week last March at the Society of Genealogists (SOG) in London to
see if I could find any other information on these families. I checked
Hearth
tax and other records, but found nothing I could attribute to these people.
This does not mean they don't exist somewhere, just that I could not find
them!
I did attempt to extract as many references to Cissells as I could find at
the
SOG. I could type these up someday, but I don't know if anyone else is
really
working on things like this.
Dave Cissell
Annapolis, MD
Date sent: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:32:19 -0800
From: "Melissa Alexander" <ma.da(a)gte.net>
To: CECIL-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: new info available through LDS IGI brings doubt that
Thomas Cecil father of John Baptist Cissell
IGI now includes these records and more at the LDS site:
http://www.familysearch.com/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
1 John Cissell Sex: Male aka: John CICILL
.. +Unknown Sex: Female
......... 2 John Cissell 1638 - Sex: Male aka: John
CICILL b: Abt. 28
October 1638 in Aughton Near Selby, Yorkshire, England src: IGI Record
Batch P010851
or
1 James Cissell 1580 - Sex: Male b: Bet. 1580 - 1620
.. +Ursula Unknown Sex: Female
......... 2 John Cissell 1638 - Sex: Male b:
Abt. 24 June 1638 in
South
Reston, Lincoln, England src: IGI Record or
1 Richard Cecil Sex: Male
.. +Mary Unknown Sex: Female
......... 2 John Cecil 1638 - Sex: Male aka: John
CECILL b: Abt. 01
April 1638 in Haltham, Upon Bain, Linconshire, England src: IGI Record
C02882
or
1 John Cecil 1640 - Sex: Male b: Abt. 1640 in of
Latimers,
Buckingham,
England src: IGI Record film 2034739 or this:
1 Thomas Cecil Sex: Male aka: Thomas CICILL
.. +Alice Unknown Sex: Female
......... 2 John Cecil 1642 - Sex: Male aka: John
CICILL b: Abt. 28
August 1642 src: IGI Record Batch C006292
Someone with more time and skill than I can certainly take the time to
check out even more of these then I.
MELISSA THOMPSON ALEXANDER
ma.da(a)gte.net
edmonds, washington, usa
See below
MELISSA THOMPSON ALEXANDER
ma.da(a)gte.net
edmonds, washington, usa
-----Original Message-----
From: Teddy Ronan [mailto:tronan@sccoast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 3:20 AM
To: MDSTMARY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [MDSTMARY-L] Petition of Samuel Greenwell
I posted the following yesterday in a query about Martin FRENCH, then
promptly sat down to figure it out. I'll be danged if it makes any
sense to me. The numbers just don't seem to add up. Can someone help me
interpret. This is the best I could do:
Martin left no will: "d.intestate" (this is about the only thing I'm
sure of)
Brothers and sisters of Martin were: Mary French Greenwell (deceased),
James French, Raphael French and Ann French Yates (deceased). Each of
these siblings received 1/5 of the pot (4/5ths) Mary French Greenwell's
portion was passed to Samuel Greenwell (was he husband or son?). Ann
French Yates portion was divided into 6ths and passed to Ann's children
??? Ignatius, William, Martin (but he got 1/5), Eleanor, Barton,
Susannah. Where to Dorothy and George Cissell fit in? Also mentioned
are Eleanor French and John French who received the last 5th, heirs of
Ignatius (though not brother and sister of Martin??) This document
would also indicate that Martin left no children, is that a fair
assumption? Help me please, as this hugely impacts my siblings of
Martin, son of Ignatius.
"8/1/1804: Petition of Samuel Greenwell shows that a certain Martin
French
d. intestate on or about April 20, 1804 seized of "Twittenham", leaving
your petitioner, heir and representative of Mary Greenwell (deceased)
who
was sister to sd. Martin French and entitled to 1/5 part; James French,
a
brother 1/5 part; Raphael French, 1/5 part; Susanna Greenwell, Eleanor
Brown, William Yates, Ignatius Yates, Eleanor French, John French,
Dorothy
Cissell, George Cissell, and Barton Yates, which last mentioned five are
infants, his legal representatives. Eleanor French and John French,
heirs
of Ignatius French, 1/5; 1/6 to Barton Yates, heir; Martin Yates, dec'd
who
was one of the heirs of Ann Yates,dec'd, sister of the dec'd, 1/5; the
others 1/6 or 1/5 pt. to Susanna Greenwell, one of the heirs of Ann
Yates,
sister of the dec'd; Eleanor Yates, 1/6 of 1/5 of Ann Yates; William
Yates,
1/6 of 1/5 pt. of Ann Yates, sister of the dec'd; 1/6 of 1/5 pt. to
Ignatius Yates, of Ann Yates, sister of the dec'd; Dorothy Cissell and
George Cissell of Catherine Cissell, repres. of Ann Yates. Purchased by
Andrew Somerville, highest bidder. (SMC Land Commission Records, JH #5,
f.194)."