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Parents are William & Jane Dell. My grandfather wrote"James,Silas & Randal
killed near Fichford,IA."
I have Randal's death as 10/25/1865. He lived in Michigan for many years
and had several sons, Thomas,1835. William, 1837, James,1839. Randal was
married to Catherine J (Jane) Hamilton 5/14/1834 in Fabius, St. Joseph
Michigan. They are on the census of 1850.
Don't know much about James & Silas, only birth dates & place.
Any more information will be greatly appreciated.
Dennie
Victoria,
Can't help you much with Herman, but the following extract
(from "Churchill Family in America," p. 534) may help you
with Luther and his ancestors.
This genealogy is available on CD at
http://www.digital-editions.com
Richard Bingham
411.
WILLIAM H. CHURCHILL (WILLIAM T., LEMUEL, WILLIAM, SAMUEL,
JOSEPH, JOSIAH). Born, Feb. 27, 1833, in Tioga County,
Penn. His father died a few months before he was born.
When three years old he was taken and brought up by people
out-side his family, his mother having married a second
husband. He lived in Rensselaer, Ind., in 1886. Married,
Jan. 7, 1861, LOUISA NICHOLS, born Jan. 12, 1835. This
record was obtained in 1886.
Children.
651 I. WILLIAM AUGUSTUS, b. Oct. 1, 1862.
652 II. MARCUS AUSTIN, b. May 22, 1864.
653 III. THOMAS CORWIN, b. Aug. 30, 1865.
654 IV. FENTON ORRIN, b. Jan. 18, 1867.
655 V. LUTHER ELLSWORTH, b. Jan. 24, 1869.
656 VI. MARION ATWOOD, b. May 17, 1870.
VII. CHENEY OSCAR, b. Feb. 16, 1872; d. May 2, 1872.
657 VIII. HERMAN HOYT, b. Aug. 7, 1875.
Bob McLacklin wrote:
>
> I'm looking for any information on Herman Theodore Churchill, born 1903 in Belgrade, Nebraska.
>
> His father was Luther Ellsworth Churchill born 1/24/1869 died 10/31/1944 in North Platte, Nebraska. Luther is 8th generation of Josiah Churchill of Wethersfield Conn. (found info on this on the net some where, hubby reformatted hard drive and all info is on a zip disk some where.)
>
> Herman worked for the railroad and lived in North Platte, Nebraska. He was married 1st to Leoti (Lee) Hagman, they divorced in 1946. Herman and Leoti (Lee) had two daughters. They are Bonnie Jean Churchill Lee, born 1930 and Patricia Ann Churchill Cullum born 1933. Herman married 2nd to Mable ??. Mable and Herman lived and died in North Platte, Nebraska. I found Mable in the SSDI, but didn't find Herman.
>
> Herman had a sister named Vera Churchill who I believe never married, and a brother named Roy. Roy was born in Mead, Nebr. 8/23/1901 and d. 7/14/1975. My mother, (Patricia) remembers having cousins with the last names of Moore and Sullivan. For some reason the name Blanche Sullivan seems familar to me. (Maybe hearing it growing up?)
>
> Any info any one might have on him and/or his siblings or parents would be greatly appreciated. Please email me at vmclackl(a)unf.edu or boats_(a)bellsouth.net
>
> Thanks, Victoria Cullum McLacklin
>
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I want to check and see if a date I have for Joseph Churchill of Plymouth's
death is the same as you all are carrying and if not is agreeable as his
date of death.
In May of this year Harry sent me a transcription he made of a settlement
agreement dated 5 Mar 1718/19 between Sarah (Hicks) Churchell Joseph's
widow and his children. I have Joseph's will as dated 22 Jan 1713/14;
although, I can't actually read it on the copy I have. I have his probate
as dated 5 Mar 1719/20. Prior to this time I had been carrying Joseph's
date of death as before 5 Mar 1720. The settlement of his estate which was
an agreement between his widow Sarah and his children altering certain
provisions of his will is dated 5 March 1718/19. This settlement was
signed and sealed by a Joseph Churchell on 6 Oct 1718. Thus I say he would
have died some time before the settlement date of 5 Mar 1718.
What's the consensus on a "before 5 Mar 1718" as the date of Joseph's death
?
Regards,
Bill
I'm looking for any information on Herman Theodore Churchill, born 1903 in Belgrade, Nebraska.
His father was Luther Ellsworth Churchill born 1/24/1869 died 10/31/1944 in North Platte, Nebraska. Luther is 8th generation of Josiah Churchill of Wethersfield Conn. (found info on this on the net some where, hubby reformatted hard drive and all info is on a zip disk some where.)
Herman worked for the railroad and lived in North Platte, Nebraska. He was married 1st to Leoti (Lee) Hagman, they divorced in 1946. Herman and Leoti (Lee) had two daughters. They are Bonnie Jean Churchill Lee, born 1930 and Patricia Ann Churchill Cullum born 1933. Herman married 2nd to Mable ??. Mable and Herman lived and died in North Platte, Nebraska. I found Mable in the SSDI, but didn't find Herman.
Herman had a sister named Vera Churchill who I believe never married, and a brother named Roy. Roy was born in Mead, Nebr. 8/23/1901 and d. 7/14/1975. My mother, (Patricia) remembers having cousins with the last names of Moore and Sullivan. For some reason the name Blanche Sullivan seems familar to me. (Maybe hearing it growing up?)
Any info any one might have on him and/or his siblings or parents would be greatly appreciated. Please email me at vmclackl(a)unf.edu or boats_(a)bellsouth.net
Thanks, Victoria Cullum McLacklin
Am I Addicted To Genealogy??
When you are in a different city do you look through the phone book
to find people that
have the same surname as one of your ancestors?
Do you get excited when you drive by a Cemetery?
Do you talk about your deceased ancestors as though they were still
alive?
Does your librarian or the person that works at the archives know
your whole life story?
Do you check the obituaries everyday?
Does your spouse call the library to see when you are coming home?
Do you spend your vacation tracking down ancestors in county
courthouses?
Do you keep pictures of tombstones or long deceased ancestors in
your wallet?
Can you remember the date an ancestor died but you can't remember to
feed the pets?
Instead of an emergency kit in your car you have a research kit.
Does your boss call the library or archives to see when you will be
coming back from your
lunch break?
If you said yes to one or more of these you are an addicted
genealogist!!!!!
______________________________
I for one am guilty!
Jan
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From: churchil <churchil(a)koyote.com>
To: CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Thursday, 27 July 2000 13:39
Subject: FW: for a laugh.. from the Devon List
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Page [SMTP:pagebr@dove.net.au]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 7:59 AM
To: DEVON-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Fw: [Lon] Fw: for a laugh..
Am I Addicted To Genealogy??
When you are in a different city do you look through the phone book to find people that have the same surname as one of your ancestors?
Do you get excited when you drive by a Cemetery?
Do you talk about your deceased ancestors as though they were still alive?
Does your librarian or the person that works at the archives know your whole life story?
Do you check the obituaries everyday?
Does your spouse call the library to see when you are coming home?
Do you spend your vacation tracking down ancestors in county courthouses?
Do you keep pictures of tombstones or long deceased ancestors in your wallet?
Can you remember the date an ancestor died but you can't remember to feed the pets?
Instead of an emergency kit in your car you have a research kit.
Does your boss call the library or archives to see when you will be coming back from your lunch break?
If you said yes to one or more of these you are an addicted genealogist!!!!!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Page [SMTP:pagebr@dove.net.au]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 7:59 AM
To: DEVON-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Fw: [Lon] Fw: for a laugh..
Am I Addicted To Genealogy??
When you are in a different city do you look through the phone book to find people that have the same surname as one of your ancestors?
Do you get excited when you drive by a Cemetery?
Do you talk about your deceased ancestors as though they were still alive?
Does your librarian or the person that works at the archives know your whole life story?
Do you check the obituaries everyday?
Does your spouse call the library to see when you are coming home?
Do you spend your vacation tracking down ancestors in county courthouses?
Do you keep pictures of tombstones or long deceased ancestors in your wallet?
Can you remember the date an ancestor died but you can't remember to feed the pets?
Instead of an emergency kit in your car you have a research kit.
Does your boss call the library or archives to see when you will be coming back from your lunch break?
If you said yes to one or more of these you are an addicted genealogist!!!!!
______________________________
Jan,
Has anyone answered your question? You are right the Churchill list is
populated by mostly Americans (U.S. & Canada). I don't think I can be of
help. I have a reasonable number of English Churchills for the 18th
century and earlier but not many in the 19th century.
The only London Elizabeth Churchill I have for your period was baptised on
7 Mar 1830 at Saint Martin In The Fields, Westminster. Her father's name
was Charles. This is from an LDS "christening" record.
Interestingly, (to me at least) I have an Elizabeth Churchill stray who was
b.1831 in London (but I don't know where). She removed to Australia and is
listed as marrying a James Hutton of Busselton, West Australia. Again, she
is a stray and I don't have a clue as to who her father was or to which
line she belonged.
Question: Why do you think the William Churchill in the workhouse was her
father?
If you have no luck let me know. I know an English researcher who is
working Kent in the early 19th - late 18th century. It's possible he might
be of help.
Regards,
Bill Churchill
-----Original Message-----
From: Jan Denford [SMTP:denford@iinet.net.au]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 2:57 AM
To: CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Male for female names
Hello Churchillians,
I notice a lot of Churchills mentioned on this list, seem to be American
lines. My gggrandmother Elizabeth CHURCHILL, was born in London England in
1830. I found her in the St Marylebone Workhouse in 1845-49 when she was
shipped out to Australia. She gives her father's name as James on her
marriage cert but there is a William Churchill in the workhouse at the same
time, that looks like he might be her father. She had a brother John just a
couple of years younger.
Does any of this come close to anyone elses Churchills???
Regards Jan.
In connection with Churchill Association discussion I have received
"concerns" as to the use of database programs vs. paper & pencil for
genealogical research. If you are uncomfortable with genealogical programs
set your mind at ease. You do not have to have or use a genealogical
program to participate in the proposed association family research
activities. You don't even have to have a computer. You can use normal
mail if you wish.
A genealogical database program of course stores information on individuals
and their family groups along with source reference information. But a
program is only a portion of the documentation task. Generally, the meat
of documentation is source and backup data in paper or hard copy form.
This is what backs up and supports the actual listings of ancestors.
A major consideration for a genealogical program for a large database is
its ability to search for information. Also, such programs can easily
print various reports and charts. For a family file of a few hundred
individuals you can do those same tricks with paper charts, a simple card
file and a pencil. However, we are talking about an association to serve
Churchill researchers in all lines of the family. That will not be a small
database. I don't know the number of Churchills Worldwide today but in
1990 there were 26,943 by actual count. And that was only the individuals
carrying the Churchill surname. If you follow the Morse Society guideline
you would include three additional generations up and down for most of
those 27,000. You then must consider all individuals since the year 980.
We have the potential of a large database. Easily 100,000 plus in a few
years. To achieve reasonable service for researchers we must use a
database program and work out ahead of time how and what data will be
entered into the database.
While the general Churchill researcher won't require a genealogical program
to participate in the program, members who are responsible for the
association's database must use a genealogical program -- and not just any
program but all use the same program. GED file transfer simply won't do.
This is principally because of the size of the database, the way different
notes are stored and the standard way that data must be entered in the
program if the program is to be efficiently used for search and retrieval.
Else confusion reigns supreme. The Morse researchers are running into
problems today because initially they did not enter information in a
standard manner.
I believe it was Santayana who said something to the effect that he who
does not learn from history is doomed to repeat it. What we are about is
not trivial but not hard unless we make it so. We can draw on the
considerable expertise of the Morse Society with regard to building,
operating and maintaining a really large genealogical database. I think we
must follow the Morse model. They have many years of practical experience
and know the do's and don'ts.
Bill Churchill
Clarke,
I think we should accommodate and encourage as many researchers as are
interested in doing work regardless of their experience. Learn by doing.
That being the case the Plymouth Branch (and any other branch) can be
broken down to whatever level our number of researchers support. However,
I think there should be only one gatekeeper for each branch..
Modeling along Morse Society's research organization lines our research
organization should be something like this:
We should have only one Gatekeeper for each major line. That Gatekeeper
then becomes the expert and authority on a line. Individual researchers
would periodically report their results to their Gatekeeper. An individual
researcher would send their work to the Gatekeeper in paper and electronic
form. Thus, a researcher doesn't have to be electronically "wired" to
participate in and contribute to the program.
The Gatekeeper reviews the data received from each researcher. If the
information is wanting or in conflict in some way the Gatekeeper would
attempt to get additional information or clarification from the researcher
-- but a Gatekeeper should never reject the material received. Rejecting is
not the Gatekeeper's job. At some point the Gatekeeper enters the
information into either his Master database (if the information is linked)
or into his Strays database (if the information cannot be linked). All
supporting data provided by the researcher in paper form such as copies of
original documents, birth records, marriage records, newspaper articles,
photographs, etc. along with supporting soft media are cross referenced in
the database file, carefully identified and then placed together in folders
to be sent to the Association Librarian. The Association Librarian then
catalogs and archives all hard copy and soft media source and backup
information in whatever form it is received.
Periodically, (possibly once a year) all Gatekeepers send both their Master
and their Strays database files to the Data Manager. The Data Manager
archives those files. Then the Data Manager creates a "Monster" database
file by importing all the gatekeeper files into a single large database.
All linked individuals are linked into the appropriate Churchill line.
All unlinked individuals and unlinked family groups (from the Strays) are
included -- but, of course, strays are not connected to any line. Thus,
this monster file contains all linked and unlinked individuals known to the
association. Copies of the "Monster" file are then sent to each of the
Gatekeepers.
It should be noted that the Monster database is simply a search tool for
researchers. It could be used for printouts related to queries received by
people looking for their roots but is simply deleted when the next Monster
file is received.
Regards,
Bill Churchill
-----Original Message-----
From: Clarke R. Chandler [SMTP:spenser@nh.ultranet.com]
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 10:23 AM
To: CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com
Cc: churchil
Subject: Re: Research & Churchill association
Bill, I have an interest in helping out where it is feasible and might
suggest some additional splitting of the Plymouth Branches more on the
lines
of the CFA if there are enough people for the job. It won't be an easy
task
no matter what you do. My family is from the Nova Scotia Branch which then
gets us back to Plymouth.
Clarke.
Hi Bill,
I have not been ignoring this discussion, just wanted to see what others
had to say before I jumped in. I agree with Clarke that the Plymouth line
should probably be split. I would love to do the lines that went to Nova
Scotia as I already have a lot on that area. However, if Clarke wants to
do that one I will be more than happy to let him.
I would suggest that the Plymouth line could be split into the Nova Scotia,
the ones who stayed around Plymouth of the Mass. Churchills, the Vermont
Churchills, and the Maine. Of course none of the lines stayed put in those
areas, but that could be a starting spot for the divisions. Perhaps
someone else has a good way to split the Plymouth group. I would also like
to hear from the Connecticut line regarding their feelings about being one
data base or several.
I do like the suggestions that the whole thing be kept simple to start
with. I realize that some rules etc are necessary, but when hit people
with a lot of 'thou shall and thou shall nots' at the outset, we may lose
peope that will be really great.
I look forward to hearing from a lot of different Churchills as we progress
on this project.
Glynda Logwood Churchill
Bill:
I would be more than willing to help,I am not a Churchill, but my
husbands ancestry is. I am waiting for some more information from a
cousin of his who said that their side of the Churchill line was from
Nova Scotia & N.H. & Mass. got me I don't know.
so any thing I can do to help let me know.
Judy M.
Bill, I have an interest in helping out where it is feasible and might
suggest some additional splitting of the Plymouth Branches more on the lines
of the CFA if there are enough people for the job. It won't be an easy task
no matter what you do. My family is from the Nova Scotia Branch which then
gets us back to Plymouth.
Clarke.
Hello Churchillians,
I notice a lot of Churchills mentioned on this list, seem to be American lines. My gggrandmother Elizabeth CHURCHILL, was born in London England in 1830. I found her in the St Marylebone Workhouse in 1845-49 when she was shipped out to Australia. She gives her father's name as James on her marriage cert but there is a William Churchill in the workhouse at the same time, that looks like he might be her father. She had a brother John just a couple of years younger.
Does any of this come close to anyone elses Churchills???
Regards Jan.
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerelle <ariel1(a)startext.net>
To: CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Monday, 24 July 2000 10:50
Subject: Re: Male for female names
Bill asked:
> To which Churchill family line do you belong?
I'm of Josiah Churchill's line -- through the marriage of William Churchill
and Jane Dell. Their son, Joseph Dell Churchill, was my great-great-grandpa. I
really haven't been able to think of any examples of Churchill women with
masculine names in earlier generations of my line -- just the two
contemporaries I mentioned in my earlier post.
Cerelle
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Bill asked:
> To which Churchill family line do you belong?
I'm of Josiah Churchill's line -- through the marriage of William Churchill
and Jane Dell. Their son, Joseph Dell Churchill, was my great-great-grandpa. I
really haven't been able to think of any examples of Churchill women with
masculine names in earlier generations of my line -- just the two
contemporaries I mentioned in my earlier post.
Cerelle
Cerelle,
Very interesting. Apparently the practice occurs from time to time as one
time events. Does your line have a history of using male names for
females?
To which Churchill family line do you belong?
Bill Churchill
-----Original Message-----
From: Cerelle [SMTP:ariel1@startext.net]
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 10:56 PM
To: CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Male for female names
Well, I have a couple of female Churchill cousins, still living, with
male names. One (she's actually my father's first cousin) was born
Will Fred Churchill. She was named for two uncles. The other one is in
my generation, and her name, before marriage, was Randall Churchill. I
don't know if these cases are echoes of a traditional naming pattern
or not. I suspect they're just another indication of Churchill
orneriness! ;-)
Cerelle
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Marion,
To be realistic we do have to start simple and there is no harm in that.
Thus far only six people have shown an interest. Only three of those
responded with information as to their genealogy background and their
family interests. So I guess you, me and Joyce Stephens are the
association.
I think Clarke Chandler, Glynda Churchill and Sylvia (Churchill) Wilson may
also have an interest but I don't know for certain. I do know others who
have reasonable databases and might be interested but I have not contacted
them.
By default it looks like you and Joyce are the Connecticut line and I guess
I'm the Plymouth and English lines.
I do believe we will need to use a database program. Right now my combined
Plymouth and English database is 3,364 individuals in 1,422 families. I
have some 1,500 additional individuals in family groups that are not
presently in the database.
I do use charts to illustrate family groups and family groupings but with
vitals they become unwieldy after 4 or 5 generations. They are also
difficult to copy. I assume you mean standard pedigree charts? How do you
keep the source information and background information on the individuals?
Please elaborate on the use of charts.
Your web site suggestion is a good idea. A couple of us have talked about
the need for a web site and I believe we will need a site.
On the news letter you are right, a periodic news letter is a necessity.
Also a periodic membership list.
Again, please elaborate on the charts. How many individuals does the
French family association handle using charts?
Bill Churchill
-----Original Message-----
From: Cludy52(a)aol.com [SMTP:Cludy52@aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 4:37 AM
To: churchil(a)koyote.com
Subject: Re: Research & Churchill association
Bill and list members,
I think that the best way to start a Churchill Association would be to use
the KIS principal - Keep It Simple. The first goal should be to enroll as
many members as possible.
Rather than start out with databases, why not "Charts" with Chart Managers.
Assign each of the lines with a chart number. In the beginning there will
be
more than 5 charts - one for each of the lines known at this time. Merge
the
charts after research and verification connects them.
Don't limit members to specific software. Members submit hard copy to each
Chart Manager and in turn the manager would enter the information onto the
Chart for that line. After the Chart is composed, the members that belong
to
the chart receive a copy of the Chart. Entries to the chart are then
restricted to each Chart manager. As members continue researching and
verifying their submissions, the charts are enlarged.
Keeping separate charts eliminates the time consuming task of preparing one
or two large databases right off the bat. Databases for the various
Churchill families would come further down the line.
Have a website for the Churchill Association that has information on
membership, queries and research interests, Charts and their managers, book
lists and articles of interest to members.
I also recommend a newsletter and membership list, published at least on an
annual basis. Archived copies of the newsletter could eventually be
located
at the website.
Charge reasonable dues to offset the cost of the newsletter and website.
I am a member of the "French" Family Association which has the above
criteria. The Charts appear to work well.
Comments??
Marion Scherer
Well, I have a couple of female Churchill cousins, still living, with
male names. One (she's actually my father's first cousin) was born
Will Fred Churchill. She was named for two uncles. The other one is in
my generation, and her name, before marriage, was Randall Churchill. I
don't know if these cases are echoes of a traditional naming pattern
or not. I suspect they're just another indication of Churchill
orneriness! ;-)
Cerelle
I thought I would pass on a few more bits and pieces of information from
the Morse Society that may (or may not) be interesting. This is with
regard to their database use and structure.
Database Entry Rules:
The Morse Society maintains their entire database using two master files.
One having some 50,000 individuals and the other having some 60,000. They
stress that it is important to have uniform data entry rules. All who
actually have access to the database must follow those rules. In the
outset they did not. Today large sections of their databases have
inadequate notes and source references. This makes searching the database
more difficult than otherwise and increases the Shepherd's workload several
fold. (They say they are spending (or will spend) "huge" amounts of labor
fixing it.) Their advice was: "Churchills get it right at the outset."
My recommendation:
In the case of the Churchill family I would suggest possibly 5 databases.
This would reduce the size of each database thus ensuring that they are
more manageable for maintenance on a home computer operated by one
individual. To this end I suggest the following database arrangement. One
each for the three original American family lines (the Plymouth,
Connecticut and Manhattan branches). One for the Virginia family that
would include their English Oxfordshire ancestors. An English database
containing all the English lines except the Oxforshire line but including
all the post 17th century American lines (both Canadian & U.S.) and all
other colonial lines.
My rational for having the Oxfordshire and American Virginia Churchills in
the same database is that the Gatekeeper for that database would presumably
know most about the Oxfordshire Churchills. Since, at present, we don't
know exactly where the Oxfordshire line fits into the Devon line of
descent, the Oxfordshire line would have to stand separate if it were
included in the English database. Alternately, we might want to put
colonials in a separate database(s). It should be mentioned that since
there are colonial branches of the Plymouth, and probably the Connecticut
and Manhattan branches, those three databases would contain their colonial
lines along with their Canadian and U.S. lines.
Three Generation Rule:
To minimize the size of the Morse database they have a "three generation
rule." Basically this says that for non-Morse's, only three generations
from a Morse is entered. Thus, for Morse spouses only three generations of
their ancestors are entered and for Morse females only three generations of
their descendents are entered.
If additional generations beyond the three generation rule are received
that information is sent to the Morse archive (but not entered into the
database). Source notes are placed with the third generation ancestors and
descendents saying that additional information exists and is archived (with
an archive locator given).
Copyright
The Morse Society copyrights their database. This ensures that no one uses
the database for profit without paying royalties.
I will be receiving more information and will pass it along.
Does anyone have feedback? (Please include the Churchill List so others
can follow the dialog.)
Regards,
Bill Churchill