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Thom,
Thank you for the reply.
Actually, I'm a Plymouth descendant so I'm only indirectly interested in
Josiah on the off chance that he might have been directly related to John
of Plymouth. I was trying to keep up to date and curious as to whether any
Connecticut Churchills might have checked out the current IGI references as
to validity. Does "The History of Ancient Wethersfield Connecticut"
identify the English origin of Josiah? Who published it and when?
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Thom and Bea [SMTP:sunlocke@clinic.net]
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 7:03 PM
To: churchil
Subject: Re: Josiah Churchill?
Bill -
Please pardon my late intervention into your discussion on the part of the
Churchills of Wethersfield, CT. There is much documentation on this area
in
two volumes of "The History of Ancient Wethersfield Connecticut". I know
this because I am also related to Josiah. IU found out from my mother
who's
mother is Alice Bailey Churchill Davis. I'm trying to research them as
they
moved from Canada years ago and ended up in St. Petersberg, FL
Thom Locke
----- Original Message -----
From: "churchil" <churchil(a)koyote.com>
To: <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:41 PM
Subject: Josiah Churchill?
> I noticed a series of IGI records on the Family Search Web Service for a
> Josiah Churchill of Wethersfield, Ct, USA that have various birth dates
> between 1613 and about 1621. These IGI records list Josiah's birth
> location as the Dorchester area. The sources for the IGI records are
> variously listed as on the LDS CD series. I have not looked at the CDs.
> Does anyone know if any of these reports are based on valid records?
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Churchill
Jan,
Sorry, don't have a connection. Do you have any other London area
Churchills?
I have information on Dorset Churchill family lines into the 18th century
but only a few in the 19th. If you receive information on the James
Churchill please let me know. If he was from a Dorset family I would be
curious as to the line.
Regards,
Bill Churchill
-----Original Message-----
From: Jan Denford [SMTP:denford@iinet.net.au]
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 2:12 AM
To: CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Stray CHURCHILL
Hello Churchill Listers
Just passing on a 'stray' Churchill.
CHURCHILL James, born Weymouth, Dorset.
Enlisted in 21st Regiment 1812, age 8yrs.
Regards Jan.
Western Australia.
Research interests...
LONDON
CHURCHILL Elizabeth b c1830, Oxford St. Inmate of St Marylebone
Workhouse 1845-1849. Sent on the 'Mary' to Australia 1849.
Brother John b c1833 sent from St Marylebone Workhouse to 'BARKING'
1849.
Half sister Charlotte?
Father James or William Churchill, Coachbuilder.
GLOUSTERSHIRE
FENNELL William B c1823. AWRE. son of William.
Married Martha BELCHER, 1844. one son Frederick born Newland, Gloust.
Married Harriet JAMES 1869.
Children
Martha Bessie
Nellie May
Thomas William
Ethel Matilda.
SURREY
MOORE Edward b c1807 m Elizabeth BRYANT.
YORKSHIRE
HUTTON James Haycock. Born 'somewhere' in Yorkshire, Eng. c 1798.
Military, Waterloo Bugle Boy, Guard on convict ship to Australia.
Shoemaker.
LONDON
GREEN Levi B c1831, ST ALBANS.
Chimney Sweep. Parkhurst Lad to Australia 1843.
Married
Lucy Sarah SENYARD B 1835, London. St Pancras Workhouse 1841.
Daughter of Richard SENYARD and Susannah PRINTALL.
Hello Churchill Listers
Just passing on a 'stray' Churchill.
CHURCHILL James, born Weymouth, Dorset.
Enlisted in 21st Regiment 1812, age 8yrs.
Regards Jan.
Western Australia.
Research interests...
LONDON
CHURCHILL Elizabeth b c1830, Oxford St. Inmate of St Marylebone Workhouse 1845-1849. Sent on the 'Mary' to Australia 1849.
Brother John b c1833 sent from St Marylebone Workhouse to 'BARKING' 1849.
Half sister Charlotte?
Father James or William Churchill, Coachbuilder.
GLOUSTERSHIRE
FENNELL William B c1823. AWRE. son of William.
Married Martha BELCHER, 1844. one son Frederick born Newland, Gloust.
Married Harriet JAMES 1869.
Children
Martha Bessie
Nellie May
Thomas William
Ethel Matilda.
SURREY
MOORE Edward b c1807 m Elizabeth BRYANT.
YORKSHIRE
HUTTON James Haycock. Born 'somewhere' in Yorkshire, Eng. c 1798.
Military, Waterloo Bugle Boy, Guard on convict ship to Australia. Shoemaker.
LONDON
GREEN Levi B c1831, ST ALBANS.
Chimney Sweep. Parkhurst Lad to Australia 1843.
Married
Lucy Sarah SENYARD B 1835, London. St Pancras Workhouse 1841.
Daughter of Richard SENYARD and Susannah PRINTALL.
Thelma,
I'm so happy to find someone related to London Churchills in the period of
your William and Joseph.
But first, the William Churchill b. 1531 that you list is a William
Churchill who was born possibly in Catherton, Dorset. I have his birth as
between 1490 and 1500. (I have seen 1531 range birth dates for him.) He
married Mary Creuse who was born in Bradford, Devon. I've never seen an
actual baptism record for either of them. Do you know what the source was
for the dates you have?
Churchills originated in Devon. This William Churchill and Mary Creuse are
rather well known as the Dorset progenitors. The John Churchill you list
as b. 1561 is William and Mary's great grandson. John married Eleanor
Meller of Came (Kyme). In 1609 John purchased Muston which was a rather
large estate located northeast of Dorchester, Dorset. This John and
Eleanor are the progenitors of several lines of Dorset Churchills, one
being the very prominent Colliton Churchills.
Now that I have totally confused you, what about your London line?
Over the years I have collected a listing of some 109 London area
Churchills that range in time from 1563 to 1749. I have some in family
groups and know from where some originated but for the most part I have not
been able to assemble them into lines. Also, I don't have your William b.
1650 in London. I do have a Joseph bap. 17 Oct 1697 in St. Botolph Without
Aldgate, London, London, England. His parents are a Joseph and Ann. Could
they be any relation to the 1621 Joseph that you mention?
I would very much like to hear about and get a listing of your London
Churchill line.
Best Regards,
Bill Churchill
-----Original Message-----
From: Thelma Green [SMTP:greentm4@eaze.net]
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 12:01 PM
To: churchil
Subject: Re: Churchills in Kent
Churchill,
I printed out this pedigree, to my knowledge it does not connect to my
family,
William Churchill Born 1531 Unknown sp. Mary Crense Cruese B 1535
John Churchill B `1561 , , ENgland sp. Eleanor Meller B. 1565 Muston
Dor.Engl.
Mar. 1585 , , England Died 31 May 1621 Muston, Dorset, Eng.
Fa: John Meller B 1522 Kyme, D. Eng. mar ca 1545 of Kyme (also listed in
Spouses space John Meller B c1 1525 of Dorsetchire, Eng.
Sarah Churchill Born 1593 Muston, Dorset, ENg.
Hoping this helps someone, please advise if connected to my line.'
Wm. Churchill B 1650 London, Eng. Fa: Joseph Churchill 1621
Will list further descendancy if needed from Wm. Churchill and later.
Thelma Green greentm4(a)eaze.net
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> From: churchil <churchil(a)koyote.com>
> To: CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Churchills in Kent
> Date: Saturday, May 20, 2000 10:02 AM
>
> Does anyone have information on Churchills in Kent, England in the period
around 1600 and before?
> I have two LDS records which are:
>
> John Churchill of Lamberhurst, Kent, m. 13 Sep 1569, Margery Gutsell
> Film: 177914 - This is an LDS Baptism of the dead
>
> The second record has the same marriage date and information:
> It is film 1903764 - Official Temple Record
>
> I am interested in data or information on any individuals or families.
>
>
> Bill Churchill
>
Does anyone have information on Churchills in Kent, England in the period around 1600 and before?
I have two LDS records which are:
John Churchill of Lamberhurst, Kent, m. 13 Sep 1569, Margery Gutsell
Film: 177914 - This is an LDS Baptism of the dead
The second record has the same marriage date and information:
It is film 1903764 - Official Temple Record
I am interested in data or information on any individuals or families.
Bill Churchill
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I though this message sequence from the Devon List might be of interest to
subscribers to the Churchill List. The messages listed here are in their
reverse order with the latest message at the top of this page. While there
were more messages on this subject this short sequence summarizes the
result. Having said this the Devon Records Office is still searching for
information; however, I expect their result will be nil. I think Eric
Normington's message probably summarizes why we do not find English records
that tie an English John Churchill of to the Plymouth Colony.
Does anyone have information or comment on this subject?
Bill Churchill
From: "churchil" <churchil(a)koyote.com>
To: <DEVON-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000
Subject: RE: Bible Christians & Non-conformists
Eric,
Thank you very much for your information. I had hoped that there might be
non-conformist records for the early 1600s preserved somewhere. As you
say, it seems more and more likely that such records never existed as
opposed to residing in some remote corner of a dusty repository.
I belong to a line of American Churchills whose progenitor came to the
American Plymouth Colony in 1643. While we know this John Churchill was
from England, we have no positive information as to where in England he
originated. The early American Plymouth Colony settlers were
con-conformist separatists. While John's baptism record may exist in
surviving Anglican church records, we have thus far not been able to
identify him.
Again thank you for your reply.
Regards,
Bill Churchill
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Normington [SMTP:Eric@pembroke-int.com]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 5:51 AM
To: churchil
Subject: Re: Bible Christians & Non-conformists
Hi Bill.
You have a problem looking for non-conformist records in the 1620 - 1640
period, because
non-Anglicans were subject to quite fierce persecution during that century,
with only
brief respites during the Commonwealth, 1642-1660 and under various
indulgence acts in
1672-73 and then after 1689, and the Act of Toleration, which granted
religious freedom
for the first time in British history.
Because they were liable to persecution, congregations kept no records. The
only exception
to this is the French and Dutch Huguenots, who were granted exemption for
the Anglicans
only policy by Elizabeth I, I forget the year. Before 1645, the only
non-conformist
churches were Baptist (Anabaptist). In 1645, George Fox started the Society
of Friends
(Quakers). As far as I know, Congregationalists come about the 1690's then
the Methodists
from 1739 onwards.
Of course, north of the Border, the Scots were Presbyterian, as the Church
of Scotland
still is!
Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, like this.
Eric Normington
-----Original Message-----
From: John Ritchings [SMTP:john.ritchings@virgin.net]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 7:15 AM
To: churchil
Subject: Re: Bible Christians & Non-conformists
Greetings Bill
The short answer is that I do not know.
Records were kept from around 1200 in England and BMD records were kept by
the local parish from 1538. As far as I know that was the extent of BMD
record keeping until C19. The only suggestion that I can make is to try
the Methodist library in Manchester, details of which I do not have. I
must try and find them and post them on the list.
I am sorry that I am not able to be of any further help.
Kind regards.
John Ritchings.
----- Original Message -----
From: "churchil" <churchil(a)koyote.com>
To: <DEVON-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 6:00 PM
Subject: RE: Bible Christians & Non-conformists
> John,
>
> I am looking for records of non-conformists who would have lived in the
> period between 1620 and 1640. I assume that the Bible Christian movement
> was much later but by chance do you know of any repositories for 17th
> century non-conformist records?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Bill Churchill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Ritchings [SMTP:john.ritchings@virgin.net]
> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 3:46 PM
> To: DEVON-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Bible Christians
>
> Greetings Gentlepeople
>
> It is regrettable that there is no one repository for the works and
> records associated with the Bible Christian movement. In and around
> north Devonshire there is the Westcountry Studies Library which holds
> some books and information. There is a branch in Barnstaple, but the
> main library is in Exeter. For details, see the web site for Devon
> County Council.
>
> There are local historians who research the Bible Christians, but they
> do not hold the lists and are not able to assist genealogists. There is
> one local professional genealogist who has written a book on the Bible
> Christians and for anyone wishing to contact him I would be willing to
> answer any queries by direct correspondence.
>
> The main centre for material relating to the Methodist movement is in a
> library in one of the universities in Manchester. I cannot remember
> right now which one it is and cannot find my reference.
>
> I am descended from the founding members of the Bible Christians at
> Shebbear and my G4 grandparents are buried at Lake Chapel at Shebbear.
> They are John and Judith Trewin. Judith was a Thorne and was related to
> James Thorne the founder of the Bible Christian movement. Two of their
> children went to Oz, one as a missionary and one as the wife of a
> missionary.
>
>
>
> John Ritchings
>
Richard,
No, my information is from CFA p. 5. Is CFA wrong?
Thanks for the reply.
Bill
Bill,
Have you seen NEHGR 52:440?
Richard Bingham
churchil wrote:
>
> Does anyone have information on John Drew the husband of Hannah2 Churchill
> (b. 12 Nov 1649 at Hobbs Hole) Plymouth.
>
> My information is that Hannah's husband John Drew was the grandson of Sir
> Edward Drew of Killerton in Broad Clyst, Devon. A Devon researcher who was
> doing work for me confirmed the existance of Sir Edward Drew in Broad Clyst
> in the correct time frame but was unable to find a grandson John.
>
> Does anyone have information on John Drew of Plymouth's Devon family?
>
> Bill Churchill
Bill,
Have you seen NEHGR 52:440?
Richard Bingham
http://www.digital-editions.com
churchil wrote:
>
> Does anyone have information on John Drew the husband of Hannah2 Churchill
> (b. 12 Nov 1649 at Hobbs Hole) Plymouth.
>
> My information is that Hannah's husband John Drew was the grandson of Sir
> Edward Drew of Killerton in Broad Clyst, Devon. A Devon researcher who was
> doing work for me confirmed the existance of Sir Edward Drew in Broad Clyst
> in the correct time frame but was unable to find a grandson John.
>
> Does anyone have information on John Drew of Plymouth's Devon family?
>
> Bill Churchill
>
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Does anyone have information on John Drew the husband of Hannah2 Churchill
(b. 12 Nov 1649 at Hobbs Hole) Plymouth.
My information is that Hannah's husband John Drew was the grandson of Sir
Edward Drew of Killerton in Broad Clyst, Devon. A Devon researcher who was
doing work for me confirmed the existance of Sir Edward Drew in Broad Clyst
in the correct time frame but was unable to find a grandson John.
Does anyone have information on John Drew of Plymouth's Devon family?
Bill Churchill
Does anyone have or know the whereabouts of documents containing signatures
or handwriting samples of any of the first and second generation Plymouth
Colony Churchills? If so, can I get either a copy of the document or the
name of the repository of the document and the document's identification?
Background: Last week I happened to place a copy of Thomas Doty's will and
Hannah (Pontus) (Churchell) Rickard's probate side by side. I noticed
immediately that the two documents have similar letter forms. The
implication is interesting. Now I would like to get copies of Mary (Doty)
Churchell's Rochester deeds, Hannah Rickard's will along with Hannah's
1690 property deed to Mary, Joseph and Eleanor's deed agreement, Joseph's
will and any other written documents that pertain to any of the Plymouth
Churchill family members.
Regards,
Bill Churchill
I noticed a series of IGI records on the Family Search Web Service for a
Josiah Churchill of Wethersfield, Ct, USA that have various birth dates
between 1613 and about 1621. These IGI records list Josiah's birth
location as the Dorchester area. The sources for the IGI records are
variously listed as on the LDS CD series. I have not looked at the CDs.
Does anyone know if any of these reports are based on valid records?
Regards,
Bill Churchill