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I received information today from another list that Everton's roots cellar is
available free until April 3rd. Apparently the free period began this past
Monday - better late than never.
The site address is:
http://www.everton.com/roots-cellar
Marion Scherer
Jim,
I must appoligize on my comment about "who was Bridiget Vaughan." Yes
according to the "Visitations of Dorset of 1677", p. 14 John did marry
first "Bridgett da: of Charles Vaughn of Ottery St. Mary in Com. Devon
Esqr." I only obtained this 1677 pedigree on the 15th of March 00. I had
entered it immediately into the John of Plymouth Evaluation document but
was sidetracked and have yet to update my Family Origins database with the
information. I appoligize for the confusion caused.
This 1677 pedigree does have an interesting bit of information. According
to this chart the information was provided by a "John Churchill" who signed
the submittal. The only John Churchill on the chart that was alive in the
1677 period when the information would have been collected was the 1622
John. This implies that 1622 John supplied the information contained on
the chart. If he did, he did not provide a birth, marriage or date of
death for Bridgett. The chart shows that they had a daughter Elizabeth who
must have been alive in 1677. His second wife Frances (surname unknown) is
shown with the comment "bur. 14 Nov 1672" but Frances' birth, marriage or
maiden name is not given. Note that neither the information on Bridget or
their daughter Elizabeth is on the 1880 Colliton pedigree that I sent to
you. John's brother William became the heir. It would be interesting to
retrieve 1622 John's will. If Elizabeth survived to marry she may have
taken a sizable chunk of the Colliton estate with her when her father died.
None of this, of course, would be related to the John of Plymouth question.
Regards,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Sauchyn [SMTP:jsauchyn@compusmart.ab.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 8:20 AM
To: Bill Churchill
Subject:
<< File: ATT00002.txt; charset = Windows-1252 >> << File: ATT00003.html;
charset = Windows-1252 >>
Jim,
On the subject of workers on an estate taking the name of the lord -- I say
it would never have happened in England in the 17th century. If you know
of an actual example please cite it.
The use of surnames as we know them today first came into use in England in
13th century. They were universally established in southern England by the
end of the 14th century. I believe there were few, if any, people in
England in the 17th century without surnames -- thanks to record keeping
requirements of the church and the state.
I suspect that the suggestion that a 17th century laborer simply took a
surname confused the process of adoption of surnames in the 13th and 14th
centuries with the 17th century. I think we have enough evidence to say
that John was from one of the English Churchill families. Of course, some
of the Muston laborers could well have been non-prominent Churchills. We do
have records of Churchills on the dole in this period.
There are several possibilities for why we haven't been able to identify
John.
1. He may have been the son of a separatist and, thus, had no baptism
records (that have survived). His family would have been non-prominent
and, thus, never included on listings that ended up in pedigrees. This
would also fit your "expelled" from the community possibility.
2. Elizabeth Snell has pointed out that the Parish Register of Peddlehinton
for 1539 through 1652 are illegible for baptisms. This is where the
records for Muston and the settlement of North Lovard are kept. While we
know that John could not have belonged to the leading families of Muston,
if he was from a non-prominent family (a poor relation) this would account
for no record for John.
3. In the year 1613 a fire in Dorchester destroyed many of the town records
and many of the records of Holy Trinity and St. Peter's churches. What was
left of Holy Trinity parish records were then destroyed in another fire in
1623. Thus, if John were from a Churchill family living in Dorchester,
Puddletown or any of the settlements surrounding Dorchester there would be
no record of him. By the way, there are several Dorchester area
"floaters," individuals of whom we have mention in wills and such but no
clue as to which family line they belonged or if they ever married and had
children. Thus, there is support for Snell's speculation that John's
records may have simply gone up in smoke. Of course, the floaters may have
been transient visitors from Devon, London, Oxfordshire, who knows?
On letters and John of Plymouth, The Churchill Family in America (CFA), p.
14 says that in 1886 (when the CFA was being compiled) Mary W. (Churchill)
Bailey reported that John the son of Eliezer had family records that were
passed down to him from his grandfather John (of Plymouth). These records
which went back to the time "our forefather left England" were passed to
John's youngest son Joseph. Elizabeth's grandmother who had seen the
records told her in 1861 that the letters had been taken from the old chest
where they were kept and distroyed. I believe the grandmother was dead in
1861 so no one could ask her what the letters said. Elizabeth apparently
didn't remember the names. So much for house cleaning.
Thank you for the Churchill Pedigree from Harleian Society (1166, fo2). I
haven't seen that particular pedigree. The Pedigree of Churchill of
Colliton and of Alderholt Park contains that information and explains what
happened to the John listed as "sone and heyre." He died and is buried at
Peddlehinton, apparently after this Pedigree was prepared. By the way I
have this John's baptism record. He was baptised in Churston Ferres, Devon
on 15 Dec 1622. His mother Mary Yard was from Churston Ferres and had gone
home to be with her mother for her first child. I also have William and
Mary's marriage record. They were married at Churston Ferres (m. 5 Feb
1621). Their son John had married but had no heir. William, his next
younger brother (not shown on the 1166 Pedigree) was the heir. I'll scan
my Colliton pedigree and send it to you .
Who is Bridget Vaughn? Never heard of her.
Regards,
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Sauchyn [SMTP:jsauchyn@compusmart.ab.ca]
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2000 5:52 PM
To: Bill Churchill
Subject:
<< File: churchill.jpg >>
Hi Bill,
Thanks for the information. You are a goldmine of information and I mean
that sincerely. Ever thought of becoming a professional geneologist? I sent
a query to a person on the Devon or Dorset genweb site just to see what the
response was. There were about 12 people researching Churchills on the
list. She directed me to a website(I'll forward her reply to you later)
where you check under "visitatons" and an online book has on p. 28 a bit on
one Churchill family. I've attached the line - It looks like the John
married to Bridget Vaughn in the other info you sent me. You've probably
seen it before. It never hurts to ask though.
I have dozens of ancestors from colonial America but so far none were
Mayflower descendants although I've found several whose siblings and other
relatives married into those lines. Those are the breaks I guess!
Wild theories- 1.You mention there were 40 or so houses on the Muston
Estate for workers. It was sometimes the practice for such laborers to take
the name of the landowner for their own surname if they never had one. John
might have been the son of one of the laborers. 2. Young men who fell into
disfavor with their family were often expelled from the community and told
to change their name so as not to associate with the family. Thus we have
so many variations of names sometimes. Perhaps John disassociated himself
and vice versa for some reason and he was stricken from the record so to
speak. 3. I know that one -way travel was the norm in that era but I was
wondering if there might be a record of communication or travel between and
American Churchills and England? People still wrote letters.
I have Beebe ancestors from England and the family has definately been
traced to one area and there are many records including wills, manorial
rolls, men who were mayors and members of parliament from the family. There
must be more records of the Churchills in England waiting for someone to
find. Hopefully we will find John's origins someday!
Did the writers of "The Churchill Family in America" just make up a lineage
to England or did they have some sources?
Jim Sauchyn
Edmonton Alberta Canada
jsauchyn(a)compusmart.ab.ca
Jim,
I don't think you can join the Mayflower society through your direct link
to Plymouth Churchills. Talk to Harry. You might find a link through your
second or third generation female side. I don't know. I'm an Eleazer
Churchill descendant.
By all means check out the references you find but, in general, be
suspicious of "born in Muston" statements or claims, and those that give
"birth" or "christening" dates. Muston was not a town or settlement.
Muston was a farm which was initially purchased by the John Churchill b.
abt 1515 who married Edith Bond. (He was a son of William Churchill of
Catherton and Mary Creuse.) Muston's manor house was (and is today) near
the town of Piddlehinton. Later Churchills added to the farm such that by
the 1600s it was quite a large distended estate. It was probably as large
as the Pervell holding. At one point it may have had 40 or more houses for
its workers scattered throughout its extent. (It was the normal practice
in that time for workers to live on the land where they worked.)
We know for a fact that John of Plymouth could not have been associated
with the main Churchill family line that held the Muston estate. Basically
we know where all that line's Johns are buried.
But I'm digressing. My point is that Muston was not a town so it had no
records. The churches are the sources of baptism and marriage records.
Birth records are rare but occasionally are mentioned incidently. Death
records, in general, are found only on cemetery inscriptions and in
occasional mentions in other documentation. Be cautious if you see a
"christening" record. "Christening" is a term introduced by the modern LDS
compilers. I have looked at many original records from the time. I've
never seen an original record that used the word christening -- only
baptism.
On the John and Sarah Churchill you mention, that John is the Reverand John
Churchill (b. abt 1603) who was an Anglican priest. He is listed on the
Colliton Pedigree (pronounced Colyton like the place in Devon from which
the Colliton line said they originated). He was Rector at Stinsford and
finally Steeple. The paper I sent (that you had trouble displaying) shows
that the John Churchill listed as born 1620 could not belong to this
family.
Joseph is a name speculated as John of Plymouth's father's name. The
speculation originated from the simple fact that John named his first born
Joseph. Again, I don't know to which LDS record you refer. By all means
check out the record. I suspect you will find it is a "submitter" record
and, if not, be sure to let me know.
Regards
Bill
Hi Bill,
Thanks so much for that information. I hadn't realized our close connection
to the Mayflower passengers. I have been trying to prove a link without
success as yet. I guess this one is close but no cigar.
Re: the IGI submissions on the LDS. When I search for John Churchill born
1620 in England it comes up with 12 responses. All it gives is a film no.
and there are 9 separate film no'.s. All have him born either in Muston,
Devon; Muston, Dorset: or Dorsetshire or just England. There is not one
submitter given except for two records which are actually Pedigree Resource
Files. Parents are given as John and Sarah, one has a Joseph and some have
no parents given.
When I search for John with Hannah Pontus there are 28 records but only one
marriage in England with batch no. A170711. Wether this is Verda's record
or not I can't say.
I fully understand the validity of these records is questionable without
documentation.
Thanks again for your information Bill, and if I should find anything I
consider relevant I'll certainly let you know.
Jim Sauchyn
Edmonton Alberta Canada
jsauchyn(a)compusmart.ab.ca
The book I referenced, "A Family Odyssey", by Malcolm Churchill, is hard
cover (very nice) and has 240 pages. It is completely indexed and and
extensively footnoted.
Sylvia Wilson
----- Original Message -----
From: J.M. Ingalls <jay_ingalls(a)pipeline.com>
To: <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2000 8:21 PM
Subject: New Book about Josiah Churchill & Descendants
> Deborah and all,
>
> Can anyone tell me if this book is hard or soft cover, and how many
> pages it contains?
>
> My line, going down, is Josiah > Joseph > Ensign Samuel > William >
> Samuel > Laura, she married Ahira Barnum Crain > Elmer L. Crain >
> Everett Walter Crain. This line ends up in Charlevoix County Michigan.
>
> Jay Ingalls
> ==============
> Deborah Waller wrote:
> >
> > I've been lurking for ages but noticed the connection of CHURCHILL and
> > FOOTE. Not wishing to 'teach my grandmother to suck eggs' as it were
but
> > these are both well known Dorsetshire names. I have Dorset CHURCHILLs
> > myself. Both names also appear in Herefordshire.
> >
> > Debs Waller in Rugby, UK.
> > deborah.waller(a)virgin.net
>
>
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Deborah and all,
Can anyone tell me if this book is hard or soft cover, and how many
pages it contains?
My line, going down, is Josiah > Joseph > Ensign Samuel > William >
Samuel > Laura, she married Ahira Barnum Crain > Elmer L. Crain >
Everett Walter Crain. This line ends up in Charlevoix County Michigan.
Jay Ingalls
==============
Deborah Waller wrote:
>
> I've been lurking for ages but noticed the connection of CHURCHILL and
> FOOTE. Not wishing to 'teach my grandmother to suck eggs' as it were but
> these are both well known Dorsetshire names. I have Dorset CHURCHILLs
> myself. Both names also appear in Herefordshire.
>
> Debs Waller in Rugby, UK.
> deborah.waller(a)virgin.net
Malcolm H. Churchill has recently published a book after much research on the Connecticut Churchills and descendants of Josiah Churchill. He has put a lot of effort in to this book and continues on from where the The Churchill Family in America leaves off.
Malcolm, as well as other Churchill researchers, states that there is no documented proof of Josiah's arrival prior to his marriage to Elizabeth Foote in 1638. Elizabeth, was the daughter of Nathaniel and and Elizabeth Deming Foote.
"Nathaniel Foote was one of the original ten settlers of Wethersfield, arriving in the spring of 1635. We may suppose that Mrs. Foote and Elizabeth were among the group of 60 Watertown settlers who arrived in Wethersfield in the fall of 1635."
"The Foote genealogy is well documented back to England. Both the Demings and the Footes came from Essex County, England, and Elizabeth Foote was born in 1616 at Colchester, Essex County. That she was born in 1616 makes plausible assertions that Josiah was born in 1615." These are quotes from Malcolm Churchill's book, A Family Odyssey.
Any one that is interested in purchasing this book, here is Malcolm's name and address. If I remember correctly, it was under $25.00.
Malcolm H. Churchill
4715 47th St. NW
Washington, D.C. 20016
Sylvia Churchill Wilson
I've been lurking for ages but noticed the connection of CHURCHILL and
FOOTE. Not wishing to 'teach my grandmother to suck eggs' as it were but
these are both well known Dorsetshire names. I have Dorset CHURCHILLs
myself. Both names also appear in Herefordshire.
Debs Waller in Rugby, UK.
deborah.waller(a)virgin.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Werk <bwerk(a)i29.net>
To: CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 24 March 2000 03:52
Subject: Josiah Churchill
>Bill
>
>The book I have is rather vague on church info, but does suggest that
Josiah
>immigrated between 1636 and 1640 as he's on a list of those who immigrated
>to Wethersfield. He was listed as a soldier in the latter part of the
>Pequat Indian War (1634-1637), but was not in the list of 18 men from
>Wethersfield accompanying John Mason and his men on an attack of the
Pequats
>May 26, 1637 at Groton.
>
>Nathaniel Foote was the father of Josiah's wife, Elizabeth. Nathaniel was
>on of the people who came to Wethersfield from Watertown, MA, in the fall
of
>1634. his family probably came to Wethersfield in the fall of 1635 with
>Reverend Thomas Hooker and about 100 other men and women or possibly came
as
>late as 1636. All things considered, he likely came mid-year in 1637.
>
>The book goes on to talk more about religion being a very important part of
>everyday life. It suggests that religion was the dominant force in early
>Wethersfield, although no church building existed. All people were
required
>to attend church or would be fined 3 shillings. Only members of the church
>could vote.
>
>As you can guess, with such strict regulations, there were disagreements.
>This led to 33 settlers and their families to leave and move to Stamford,
>CT. Josiah's name was on the list of members that remained in
Wethersfield.
>Later, another 20 members signed up to move to Hadley, MA. One of which
was
>Samuel Church, who married Josiah's oldest daughter Mary.
>
>Church was held in "meeting houses". Not until the 4th meeting house was
>built was there a church building as such. This was the third meeting
house
>taken over by the church. There were no pews in any of the churches Josiah
>and his son Joseph attended until 1715. Men and women were seated on
>opposite sides of the church, then according to advancement, age, dignity
of
>descent, place of public trust, pious disposition, estate and "peculiar
>serviceableness" of any kind. Women and men were not allowed to be seated
>together until 1764.
>
>One other interesting note was that in 1648 a Mary Johson was executed due
>to a belief she was practicing witchcraft. People were very superstitious
>in those days.
>
>Josiah was listed as owning 12 and one-half acres of land in the twon west
>of the river in "Little West Field." He acquired 6 more acres in 1641 and
>drew 18 acres in the land distribution of 1670. He also acquired other
>property, per his will.
>
>One final note was that his will was made out according to English custom
in
>the sons received all the land with the eldest getting the most.
>
>I'd welcome any feedback or thoughts. Hopefully this sparks a thought or
>two.
>
>regards,
>
>Brian L. Werk
>Fargo, ND, USA
>http://home.i29.net/~bwerk
>surnames: WERK, CHURCHILL, BACON,
> HENRICHS, SCHWENSOHN,
> HENDRICKSON, HECTOR, & LAMFERS
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Bill Churchill <churchill(a)unicomp.net>
>To: 'Brian Werk' <bwerk(a)i29.net>; <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 12:21 PM
>Subject: RE: Churchill Research
>
>
>> Brian,
>>
>> Yes your Josiah Churchell is the same Josiah Churchill of Wethersfield
>> about which we were speaking.
>>
>> What does the book by Boyd Churchill say about Josiah's origin?
>>
>> Does it mention or describe the church to which Josiah belonged? i.e.
>> Church of England, a separatist church, ...? The curiosity being was
>> Josiah a separatist?
>>
>> Did this Boyd Churchill have a descendant named Samuel Joseph Churchill?
>>
>> Thank you very much for the reply.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brian Werk [SMTP:bwerk@i29.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 8:59 AM
>> To: Bill Churchill; CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: Churchill Research
>>
>> Hello all.
>>
>> I caught the anecdotes below and wanted to inform you have I have a fair
>> amount of detail from Josiah to present. My wife's family is a
descendant
>> of Josiah Churchill (1615-1686) of Wethersfield. A book I have of their
>> family history was compiled by Boyd R. Churchill in 1972. It follows the
>> line of Josiah, Joseph, Samuel, Captain Charles, Levi, Charles Belden,
>> Leonard Hubbard........
>>
>> Before I elaborate, I'd like to confirm if this is the same Josiah you
>> speak
>> of Bill.
>>
>> One thing I've found quite interesting are the will and testaments of my
>> ancestors. This book I have has a transcription of the will its self.
It
>> starts as follows:
>>
>> I, Josiah Churchell (that is how it's spelled in the book) of
>Whethersfield
>> do make this my last Will and Testament: I give unto my wife, Elizabeth
>> Churchell, the use of all my estate, whether real or personal......It
goes
>> on
>> to specify he gives a house he owned and the homelott to his son Joseph.
>>
>> I hope to put this into my homepage, noted below, at some point in the
>> future for all to enjoy.
>>
>> If anyone has questions or comments, I welcome them.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Brian L. Werk
>> Fargo, ND, USA
>> > - - John came to America from England but possibly not directly.
>> >
>> > - - John settled in the American Plymouth Colony so he was a Protestant
>> > separatist (non-COE). From this we can say that he was not a puritan
>and
>> > he was not a Catholic.
>> >
>> > - - John was related by blood or marriage to either Clarkes, Martins or
>> > both.
>> >
>> > - - John may have had a father, uncle or benefactor named Joseph or
>> Jasper.
>> >
>> > Are there any similarities with Josiah of Wethersfield, other than the
>> last
>> > item?
>> >
>> > Does anyone have any additional information on John of Plymouth?
>>
>
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FYI
I have published the will of Josiah within the genealogy section of my web
page, noted below. Go to Genealogy, scroll down to Churchill Family, then
select Josiah Churchill. Toward the bottom of that page, you'll find a
hyperlink to the will.
regards,
Brian L. Werk
Fargo, ND, USA
http://home.i29.net/~bwerk
surnames: WERK, CHURCHILL, BACON,
HENRICHS, SCHWENSOHN,
HENDRICKSON, HECTOR, & LAMFERS
Item #291961598
An 1873 Churchill Bible is up for auction on EBay. The Bible has a marriage
certf. of Joseph T. Churchill and Maggie A. Reynolds who were married 6
April, 1871. The Bible apparently belonged to this couple. It looks like
there are two family sections - one section is copied from a Bible owned by
Samuel Stoddard Churchill with records from 1790 to 1863. The other section
has records from 1850 to 1943. Additionally, there is a portrait section
that contains 5 CDV photos of family members.
I'm not the seller, have no connection to EBay and do not stand to profit
from the sale of the Bible. Just thought it should go back to the right
family.
Marion Scherer
The book I have was printed in 1972, so I'm not even sure it can be produced
again or not.
I do know that it was printed at the following location:
Ann Brown
Printing and Typing Service
4694 Okemos Rd
Okemos, MI
If I find out more about whether or not the book is available for re-print,
I'll post to this list.
regards,
Brian L. Werk
Fargo, ND, USA
http://home.i29.net/~bwerk
surnames: WERK, CHURCHILL, BACON,
HENRICHS, SCHWENSOHN,
HENDRICKSON, HECTOR, & LAMFERS
----- Original Message -----
From: Sylvia Wilson <wilson33(a)airmail.net>
To: <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: Chester B. Churchill & Catherine Punkle (Purkle?)
> Hi Brian,
>
> I am also a descendant of Josiah Churchill's line. I have been told by
> numerous other Churchill reserachers that Winston Churchill's family
> originated from the Spencer line (Princess Di's). Several generations
back
> Winstons ancestor assumed the name of Churchill from a step-father. I
have
> not personally done research on Winston's line, but have not found any
> evidence of a relationship to Josiah's line. Has anyone else found
> anything on this?
>
> You made reference to a Churchill Book; what is the title and who is the
> author? I have a couple of Churchill Books, but I'm always interested in
> obtaining another one.
>
> Sylvia Wilson
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Werk <bwerk(a)i29.net>
> To: <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 8:49 PM
> Subject: Chester B. Churchill & Catherine Punkle (Purkle?)
>
>
> > Marta:
> >
> > I do believe we've created a successful bond!
> >
> > I have the very people you speak of, so here's what I have in our book:
> >
> > Chester B and Catherine were married Oct 30, 1848. However, Catherine's
> > last name in my book reads Purkle. You had Punkle. I'd like to confirm
> > each of our spellings....At any rate, they had 9 kids as you've noted.
> >
> > There's a short footnote in our book about Hattie: (let me know if any
of
> > this is news to you.)
> >
> > "Harriet married first, a Mr. Standard about 1869. She was not included
> in
> > her Farther's family in the 1870 census taken July 9, 1870. In the 1880
> > census, she was included in her Father's family as Harriet Standard.
> Later
> > she married William Pittman. their daughter, Margaret B. Pittman was
born
> > Nov. 8, 1887. She married Harry I. Shawver on July 28, 1914 in Grand
> Forks,
> > ND. (this may indicate the Pittman family had moved to Grand Forks.
> > Margaret's obituary states that she had one sister and a half brother,
> both
> > of whom died earlier.
> >
> > As far as taking Chester back to Josiah, here's how that goes: (the
father
> > will be the name to the right of each name)
> >
> > Chester > Charles Beldon Churchill I > Levi Churchill > Captain Charles
> > Churchill > Samuel Churchill > Joseph Churchill > Josiah Churchill.
Then
> > the road block begins.
> >
> > As for Winston, our book doesn't confirm any relation to him, but that
> > doesn't mean much. I'm guessing the best way to find that would be to
> look
> > to any Winston Churchill foundation or museum or something in England.
> I'm
> > guessing he has his family well documented somewhere. The English seem
to
> > be pretty well at that. Churchill's a unique enough name that it has to
> be
> > related.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Brian L. Werk
> > Fargo, ND, USA
> > http://home.i29.net/~bwerk
> > surnames: WERK, CHURCHILL, BACON,
> > HENRICHS, SCHWENSOHN,
> > HENDRICKSON, HECTOR, & LAMFERS
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marta Bennett <cows(a)mtco.com>
> > To: Brian Werk <bwerk(a)i29.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 9:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: Churchill Association
> >
> >
> > > Hi Brian,
> > >
> > > My line is from Hattie Churchill who married Elias Standard. Hattie's
> > > father was Chester B. Churchill and her grandfather was Charles Beldon
> > > Churchill. Charles was from Conn. and Chester was from Onieda Co.,
NY.
> > > Other children of Chester B. Churchill and Catherine M. Punkle were:
> > > Mildon; Chester, Jr.; Leonard; Washington; George; William; Stephen;
> Kate;
> > > and James. I have found on the FHC's website the connection from
> Charles
> > > Beldon to Josiah, but at this point and time can not remember how it
> goes
> > > back to him. I can let you know. Do any of these names sound
familiar?
> > > Also I was wondering if your wife had ever heard that she was related
to
> > > Winston Churchill. I have heard that from my relatives while I was
> > growing
> > > up, but have yet to find anything. Please let me know.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Marta :-)
> > > Princeville, IL
> > >
> > > At 06:08 PM 3/19/00 -0600, you wrote:
> > > >Marta
> > > >
> > > >I would be interested in learning more about your family line. My
> wife's
> > > >Churchill family came from Cuba, IL. While we have some info dating
> > further
> > > >back, Leonard Hubbard Churchill (1820-1909) is the beginning of the
> line.
> > I
> > > >believe he and his family resided in Cuba, IL.
> > > >
> > > >I have a very complete Churchill family albumn dating back to Josiah
> > > >Churchill (Churchell in those days) dating to the early 1600's.
> > > >
> > > >What info do you have to this point?
> > > >
> > > >thanks
> > > >
> > > >Brian L. Werk
> > > >Fargo, ND, USA
> > > >http://home.i29.net/~bwerk
> > > >surnames: Werk, Churchill, Bacon, Henrichs, Schwensohn, Hendrickson,
> > > >Hector, Lamfers, & Richards
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: Marta Bennett <cows(a)mtco.com>
> > > >To: <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 8:43 PM
> > > >Subject: Churchill Association
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> I too think this would be a great thing. I can contribute what I
> have
> > > >> found on my side. As a matter of fact, I live in IL and alot of my
> > > >> Churchill family came from NY to Cuba, IL and there is a cemetery
> that
> > is
> > > >> full of them. I have yet to go and get pictures of the graves, but
I
> > can
> > > >> do that as well.
> > > >>
> > > >> Marta Bennett
> > > >> Princeville, IL
> > > >>
> > > >> ______________________________
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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Just a reminder, for those interested in the genealogy of
Josiah Churchill: There is an inexpensive digital edition
of "The Churchill Family in America" available at:
http://www.digital-editions.com
This volume doesn't do much for the ancestors, but does
trace the descendants through nine generations of John of
Plymouth, Josiah of Westfield, and William of Manhattan.
Brian Werk wrote:
>
> Bill
>
> The book I have is rather vague on church info, but does suggest that Josiah
> immigrated between 1636 and 1640 as he's on a list of those who immigrated
> to Wethersfield. He was listed as a soldier in the latter part of the
> Pequat Indian War (1634-1637), but was not in the list of 18 men from
> Wethersfield accompanying John Mason and his men on an attack of the Pequats
> May 26, 1637 at Groton.
>
> Nathaniel Foote was the father of Josiah's wife, Elizabeth. Nathaniel was
> on of the people who came to Wethersfield from Watertown, MA, in the fall of
> 1634. his family probably came to Wethersfield in the fall of 1635 with
> Reverend Thomas Hooker and about 100 other men and women or possibly came as
> late as 1636. All things considered, he likely came mid-year in 1637.
>
> The book goes on to talk more about religion being a very important part of
> everyday life. It suggests that religion was the dominant force in early
> Wethersfield, although no church building existed. All people were required
> to attend church or would be fined 3 shillings. Only members of the church
> could vote.
>
> As you can guess, with such strict regulations, there were disagreements.
> This led to 33 settlers and their families to leave and move to Stamford,
> CT. Josiah's name was on the list of members that remained in Wethersfield.
> Later, another 20 members signed up to move to Hadley, MA. One of which was
> Samuel Church, who married Josiah's oldest daughter Mary.
>
> Church was held in "meeting houses". Not until the 4th meeting house was
> built was there a church building as such. This was the third meeting house
> taken over by the church. There were no pews in any of the churches Josiah
> and his son Joseph attended until 1715. Men and women were seated on
> opposite sides of the church, then according to advancement, age, dignity of
> descent, place of public trust, pious disposition, estate and "peculiar
> serviceableness" of any kind. Women and men were not allowed to be seated
> together until 1764.
>
> One other interesting note was that in 1648 a Mary Johson was executed due
> to a belief she was practicing witchcraft. People were very superstitious
> in those days.
>
> Josiah was listed as owning 12 and one-half acres of land in the twon west
> of the river in "Little West Field." He acquired 6 more acres in 1641 and
> drew 18 acres in the land distribution of 1670. He also acquired other
> property, per his will.
>
> One final note was that his will was made out according to English custom in
> the sons received all the land with the eldest getting the most.
>
> I'd welcome any feedback or thoughts. Hopefully this sparks a thought or
> two.
>
> regards,
>
> Brian L. Werk
> Fargo, ND, USA
> http://home.i29.net/~bwerk
> surnames: WERK, CHURCHILL, BACON,
> HENRICHS, SCHWENSOHN,
> HENDRICKSON, HECTOR, & LAMFERS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bill Churchill <churchill(a)unicomp.net>
> To: 'Brian Werk' <bwerk(a)i29.net>; <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 12:21 PM
> Subject: RE: Churchill Research
>
> > Brian,
> >
> > Yes your Josiah Churchell is the same Josiah Churchill of Wethersfield
> > about which we were speaking.
> >
> > What does the book by Boyd Churchill say about Josiah's origin?
> >
> > Does it mention or describe the church to which Josiah belonged? i.e.
> > Church of England, a separatist church, ...? The curiosity being was
> > Josiah a separatist?
> >
> > Did this Boyd Churchill have a descendant named Samuel Joseph Churchill?
> >
> > Thank you very much for the reply.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian Werk [SMTP:bwerk@i29.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 8:59 AM
> > To: Bill Churchill; CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: Churchill Research
> >
> > Hello all.
> >
> > I caught the anecdotes below and wanted to inform you have I have a fair
> > amount of detail from Josiah to present. My wife's family is a descendant
> > of Josiah Churchill (1615-1686) of Wethersfield. A book I have of their
> > family history was compiled by Boyd R. Churchill in 1972. It follows the
> > line of Josiah, Joseph, Samuel, Captain Charles, Levi, Charles Belden,
> > Leonard Hubbard........
> >
> > Before I elaborate, I'd like to confirm if this is the same Josiah you
> > speak
> > of Bill.
> >
> > One thing I've found quite interesting are the will and testaments of my
> > ancestors. This book I have has a transcription of the will its self. It
> > starts as follows:
> >
> > I, Josiah Churchell (that is how it's spelled in the book) of
> Whethersfield
> > do make this my last Will and Testament: I give unto my wife, Elizabeth
> > Churchell, the use of all my estate, whether real or personal......It goes
> > on
> > to specify he gives a house he owned and the homelott to his son Joseph.
> >
> > I hope to put this into my homepage, noted below, at some point in the
> > future for all to enjoy.
> >
> > If anyone has questions or comments, I welcome them.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Brian L. Werk
> > Fargo, ND, USA
> > > - - John came to America from England but possibly not directly.
> > >
> > > - - John settled in the American Plymouth Colony so he was a Protestant
> > > separatist (non-COE). From this we can say that he was not a puritan
> and
> > > he was not a Catholic.
> > >
> > > - - John was related by blood or marriage to either Clarkes, Martins or
> > > both.
> > >
> > > - - John may have had a father, uncle or benefactor named Joseph or
> > Jasper.
> > >
> > > Are there any similarities with Josiah of Wethersfield, other than the
> > last
> > > item?
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any additional information on John of Plymouth?
> >
>
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Bill
The book I have is rather vague on church info, but does suggest that Josiah
immigrated between 1636 and 1640 as he's on a list of those who immigrated
to Wethersfield. He was listed as a soldier in the latter part of the
Pequat Indian War (1634-1637), but was not in the list of 18 men from
Wethersfield accompanying John Mason and his men on an attack of the Pequats
May 26, 1637 at Groton.
Nathaniel Foote was the father of Josiah's wife, Elizabeth. Nathaniel was
on of the people who came to Wethersfield from Watertown, MA, in the fall of
1634. his family probably came to Wethersfield in the fall of 1635 with
Reverend Thomas Hooker and about 100 other men and women or possibly came as
late as 1636. All things considered, he likely came mid-year in 1637.
The book goes on to talk more about religion being a very important part of
everyday life. It suggests that religion was the dominant force in early
Wethersfield, although no church building existed. All people were required
to attend church or would be fined 3 shillings. Only members of the church
could vote.
As you can guess, with such strict regulations, there were disagreements.
This led to 33 settlers and their families to leave and move to Stamford,
CT. Josiah's name was on the list of members that remained in Wethersfield.
Later, another 20 members signed up to move to Hadley, MA. One of which was
Samuel Church, who married Josiah's oldest daughter Mary.
Church was held in "meeting houses". Not until the 4th meeting house was
built was there a church building as such. This was the third meeting house
taken over by the church. There were no pews in any of the churches Josiah
and his son Joseph attended until 1715. Men and women were seated on
opposite sides of the church, then according to advancement, age, dignity of
descent, place of public trust, pious disposition, estate and "peculiar
serviceableness" of any kind. Women and men were not allowed to be seated
together until 1764.
One other interesting note was that in 1648 a Mary Johson was executed due
to a belief she was practicing witchcraft. People were very superstitious
in those days.
Josiah was listed as owning 12 and one-half acres of land in the twon west
of the river in "Little West Field." He acquired 6 more acres in 1641 and
drew 18 acres in the land distribution of 1670. He also acquired other
property, per his will.
One final note was that his will was made out according to English custom in
the sons received all the land with the eldest getting the most.
I'd welcome any feedback or thoughts. Hopefully this sparks a thought or
two.
regards,
Brian L. Werk
Fargo, ND, USA
http://home.i29.net/~bwerk
surnames: WERK, CHURCHILL, BACON,
HENRICHS, SCHWENSOHN,
HENDRICKSON, HECTOR, & LAMFERS
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Churchill <churchill(a)unicomp.net>
To: 'Brian Werk' <bwerk(a)i29.net>; <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: Churchill Research
> Brian,
>
> Yes your Josiah Churchell is the same Josiah Churchill of Wethersfield
> about which we were speaking.
>
> What does the book by Boyd Churchill say about Josiah's origin?
>
> Does it mention or describe the church to which Josiah belonged? i.e.
> Church of England, a separatist church, ...? The curiosity being was
> Josiah a separatist?
>
> Did this Boyd Churchill have a descendant named Samuel Joseph Churchill?
>
> Thank you very much for the reply.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Werk [SMTP:bwerk@i29.net]
> Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 8:59 AM
> To: Bill Churchill; CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: Churchill Research
>
> Hello all.
>
> I caught the anecdotes below and wanted to inform you have I have a fair
> amount of detail from Josiah to present. My wife's family is a descendant
> of Josiah Churchill (1615-1686) of Wethersfield. A book I have of their
> family history was compiled by Boyd R. Churchill in 1972. It follows the
> line of Josiah, Joseph, Samuel, Captain Charles, Levi, Charles Belden,
> Leonard Hubbard........
>
> Before I elaborate, I'd like to confirm if this is the same Josiah you
> speak
> of Bill.
>
> One thing I've found quite interesting are the will and testaments of my
> ancestors. This book I have has a transcription of the will its self. It
> starts as follows:
>
> I, Josiah Churchell (that is how it's spelled in the book) of
Whethersfield
> do make this my last Will and Testament: I give unto my wife, Elizabeth
> Churchell, the use of all my estate, whether real or personal......It goes
> on
> to specify he gives a house he owned and the homelott to his son Joseph.
>
> I hope to put this into my homepage, noted below, at some point in the
> future for all to enjoy.
>
> If anyone has questions or comments, I welcome them.
>
> thanks
>
> Brian L. Werk
> Fargo, ND, USA
> > - - John came to America from England but possibly not directly.
> >
> > - - John settled in the American Plymouth Colony so he was a Protestant
> > separatist (non-COE). From this we can say that he was not a puritan
and
> > he was not a Catholic.
> >
> > - - John was related by blood or marriage to either Clarkes, Martins or
> > both.
> >
> > - - John may have had a father, uncle or benefactor named Joseph or
> Jasper.
> >
> > Are there any similarities with Josiah of Wethersfield, other than the
> last
> > item?
> >
> > Does anyone have any additional information on John of Plymouth?
>
Thelma:
I looked back through my emails and didn't see your name from your posting.
Is it elsewhere?
As for your Joseph, I'm thinking we're on to something interesting. The
Joseph I speak of was born in 1649 and died in 1699. Why I believe your
Joseph is interesting is he was born within a few years of my Joseph's
father, Josiah. Josiah was born in 1615 and died in 1686.
Your Joseph was listed in your message as being born in 1621. Could it
possibly be he was the younger brother of Josiah? Additionally, my Josiah
had 8 children. The first 4 were girls and the first son was named Joseph.
I know that many times in those days, the first son was named after another
family member. Could have been after his father, an uncle, or maybe a
brother!????
Do you have more information about the William (1650) you note below or
siblings of Joseph (1621)????
regards,
Brian L. Werk
Fargo, ND, USA
http://home.i29.net/~bwerk
surnames: WERK, CHURCHILL, BACON,
HENRICHS, SCHWENSOHN,
HENDRICKSON, HECTOR, & LAMFERS
----- Original Message -----
From: Thelma Green <greentm4(a)eaze.net>
To: Brian Werk <bwerk(a)i29.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: Churchill Research
> Hello to all,
>
> Very happy to see your message, I am hoping Joseph B 1621 might be the
> same
> Joseph you have mentioned. Have a contact she and I are of Wm. 1650, the
> pedigree
> I have goes back to Joseph 1621. I have quite a descendancy of this line.
> Look
> forward to hearing from you. Just last week I submitted to the rootsweb
> mailing group.
> Did you see this particular information?
>
> Thanks so much for the information.
> Thelma Webb Green 216 PR 1097 Stephenville, Tx. 76401
> greentm4(a)eaze.net
>
> ----------
> > From: Brian Werk <bwerk(a)i29.net>
> > To: CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: Churchill Research
> > Date: Saturday, March 18, 2000 8:59 AM
> >
> > Hello all.
> >
> > I caught the anecdotes below and wanted to inform you have I have a fair
> > amount of detail from Josiah to present. My wife's family is a
> descendant
> > of Josiah Churchill (1615-1686) of Wethersfield. A book I have of their
> > family history was compiled by Boyd R. Churchill in 1972. It follows
the
> > line of Josiah, Joseph, Samuel, Captain Charles, Levi, Charles Belden,
> > Leonard Hubbard........
> >
> > Before I elaborate, I'd like to confirm if this is the same Josiah you
> speak
> > of Bill.
> >
> > One thing I've found quite interesting are the will and testaments of my
> > ancestors. This book I have has a transcription of the will its self.
> It
> > starts as follows:
> >
> > I, Josiah Churchell (that is how it's spelled in the book) of
> Whethersfield
> > do make this my last Will and Testament: I give unto my wife, Elizabeth
> > Churchell, the us of all my estate, whether real or personal......It
goes
> on
> > to specify he gives a house he owned and the homelott to his son Joseph.
> >
> > I hope to put this into my homepage, noted below, at some point in the
> > future for all to enjoy.
> >
> > If anyone has questions or comments, I welcome them.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Brian L. Werk
> > Fargo, ND, USA
> > http://home.i29.net/~bwerk
> > surnames: Werk, Churchill, Bacon, Henrichs, Schwensohn, Hendrickson,
> > Hector, Lamfers, & Richards
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bill Churchill <churchill(a)unicomp.net>
> > To: <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 10:44 PM
> > Subject: RE: Churchill Research
> >
> >
> > > Donna,
> > >
> > > Thank you for your comment.
> > >
> > > Since Josiah of Wethersfield and John of Plymouth were both English
> > > Churchills and their parents are unknown, yes they could be
related - -
> > but
> > > that can't be said for a fact. Yes, their naming their first born
> Joseph
> > > could be an indication that they were related - - but there also may
be
> no
> > > connection whatever. If my listing of Joseph's children is complete
he
> > > didn't name one of his sons Josiah so traditional naming practices
> weren't
> > > being followed too closely in the family.
> > >
> > > Sorry, I have never researched the Connecticut family and don't have
> much
> > > background information on them. I have researched England extensively
> but
> > > have not run across a Josiah Churchill -- or at least a Josiah
> Churchill
> > > who traced to a valid source.
> > >
> > > With regard to English heritage, I can tell you what is actually known
> > > about John of Plymouth. It is not much:
> > >
> > > - - John came to America from England but possibly not directly.
> > >
> > > - - John settled in the American Plymouth Colony so he was a
Protestant
> > > separatist (non-COE). From this we can say that he was not a puritan
> and
> > > he was not a Catholic.
> > >
> > > - - John was related by blood or marriage to either Clarkes, Martins
or
> > > both.
> > >
> > > - - John may have had a father, uncle or benefactor named Joseph or
> > Jasper.
> > >
> > > Are there any similarities with Josiah of Wethersfield, other than the
> > last
> > > item?
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any additional information on John of Plymouth?
> > >
> > >
> > > Good hunting,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Sal Triano [SMTP:fantasy@javanet.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 8:22 PM
> > > To: Bill Churchill
> > > Subject: Re: Churchill Research
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > I agree with you I come from the CT Churchills and I think there could
> be
> > a
> > > connection with the Mass Churchills as Josiah named his first born son
> > > Joseph and they named them after their fathers to honor them. What do
> you
> > > think/
> > > Donna Haley
> > >
> > > > Marion,
> > > >
> > > > How does the French family Association work as a resource?
> > > >
> > > > I also think it would be valuable to have a "resource" for Churchill
> > > family
> > > > history. (Read that as a trusted resource.) However, I've found that
> > > there
> > > > is quite a bit of misinformation about Churchills both American and
> > > > English. With regard to the early Plymouth family I know that for a
> > fact
> > > > (John of Plymouth first generation descendents). It would be nice
> to
> > > have
> > > > a trusted mechanism by which each Churchill family could reach a
> > > consensus
> > > > and then "sign up" as it were -- pending further information, of
> course.
> > > >
> > > > Correct me if I'm wrong but to my knowledge none of the three
> earliest
> > > > branches of the American Churchills, the Connecticut, Manhattan and
> > > > Plymouth Churchills, have any clue as to who their English
> forebearers
> > > > were? Too bad that can't be worked out.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have an idea or opinion on this?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Bill Churchill
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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Pauline:
I haven't found any Newfoundland residents yet, but that doesn't mean a
whole lot at this point. Can you share a little about the people who you
know of who came to the US in the early 1900's?
regards,
Brian L. Werk
Fargo, ND, USA
http://home.i29.net/~bwerk
surnames: WERK, CHURCHILL, BACON,
HENRICHS, SCHWENSOHN,
HENDRICKSON, HECTOR, & LAMFERS
----- Original Message -----
From: Pauline Avery <pauline.avery(a)sympatico.ca>
To: Brian Werk <bwerk(a)i29.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2000 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: Churchill Research
> Hi Brian,
> I am a Churchill from Newfoundland, Canada and have been researching my
family
> tree. I saw this email and wondered if you have found any Churchill's that
went
> to Newfoundland? There are Churchill from Newfoundland that moved to the
US in
> the early 1900's that are part of my family tree. Any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> Pauline
>
> Brian Werk wrote:
>
> > Hello all.
> >
> > I caught the anecdotes below and wanted to inform you have I have a fair
> > amount of detail from Josiah to present. My wife's family is a
descendant
> > of Josiah Churchill (1615-1686) of Wethersfield. A book I have of their
> > family history was compiled by Boyd R. Churchill in 1972. It follows the
> > line of Josiah, Joseph, Samuel, Captain Charles, Levi, Charles Belden,
> > Leonard Hubbard........
> >
> > Before I elaborate, I'd like to confirm if this is the same Josiah you
speak
> > of Bill.
> >
> > One thing I've found quite interesting are the will and testaments of my
> > ancestors. This book I have has a transcription of the will its self. It
> > starts as follows:
> >
> > I, Josiah Churchell (that is how it's spelled in the book) of
Whethersfield
> > do make this my last Will and Testament: I give unto my wife, Elizabeth
> > Churchell, the us of all my estate, whether real or personal......It
goes on
> > to specify he gives a house he owned and the homelott to his son Joseph.
> >
> > I hope to put this into my homepage, noted below, at some point in the
> > future for all to enjoy.
> >
> > If anyone has questions or comments, I welcome them.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Brian L. Werk
> > Fargo, ND, USA
> > http://home.i29.net/~bwerk
> > surnames: Werk, Churchill, Bacon, Henrichs, Schwensohn, Hendrickson,
> > Hector, Lamfers, & Richards
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Bill Churchill <churchill(a)unicomp.net>
> > To: <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 10:44 PM
> > Subject: RE: Churchill Research
> >
> > > Donna,
> > >
> > > Thank you for your comment.
> > >
> > > Since Josiah of Wethersfield and John of Plymouth were both English
> > > Churchills and their parents are unknown, yes they could be
related - -
> > but
> > > that can't be said for a fact. Yes, their naming their first born
Joseph
> > > could be an indication that they were related - - but there also may
be no
> > > connection whatever. If my listing of Joseph's children is complete he
> > > didn't name one of his sons Josiah so traditional naming practices
weren't
> > > being followed too closely in the family.
> > >
> > > Sorry, I have never researched the Connecticut family and don't have
much
> > > background information on them. I have researched England extensively
but
> > > have not run across a Josiah Churchill -- or at least a Josiah
Churchill
> > > who traced to a valid source.
> > >
> > > With regard to English heritage, I can tell you what is actually known
> > > about John of Plymouth. It is not much:
> > >
> > > - - John came to America from England but possibly not directly.
> > >
> > > - - John settled in the American Plymouth Colony so he was a
Protestant
> > > separatist (non-COE). From this we can say that he was not a puritan
and
> > > he was not a Catholic.
> > >
> > > - - John was related by blood or marriage to either Clarkes, Martins
or
> > > both.
> > >
> > > - - John may have had a father, uncle or benefactor named Joseph or
> > Jasper.
> > >
> > > Are there any similarities with Josiah of Wethersfield, other than the
> > last
> > > item?
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any additional information on John of Plymouth?
> > >
> > >
> > > Good hunting,
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Sal Triano [SMTP:fantasy@javanet.com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2000 8:22 PM
> > > To: Bill Churchill
> > > Subject: Re: Churchill Research
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > I agree with you I come from the CT Churchills and I think there could
be
> > a
> > > connection with the Mass Churchills as Josiah named his first born son
> > > Joseph and they named them after their fathers to honor them. What do
you
> > > think/
> > > Donna Haley
> > >
> > > > Marion,
> > > >
> > > > How does the French family Association work as a resource?
> > > >
> > > > I also think it would be valuable to have a "resource" for Churchill
> > > family
> > > > history. (Read that as a trusted resource.) However, I've found that
> > > there
> > > > is quite a bit of misinformation about Churchills both American and
> > > > English. With regard to the early Plymouth family I know that for a
> > fact
> > > > (John of Plymouth first generation descendents). It would be nice to
> > > have
> > > > a trusted mechanism by which each Churchill family could reach a
> > > consensus
> > > > and then "sign up" as it were -- pending further information, of
course.
> > > >
> > > > Correct me if I'm wrong but to my knowledge none of the three
earliest
> > > > branches of the American Churchills, the Connecticut, Manhattan and
> > > > Plymouth Churchills, have any clue as to who their English
forebearers
> > > > were? Too bad that can't be worked out.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have an idea or opinion on this?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Bill Churchill
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Hi Brian,
I am also a descendant of Josiah Churchill's line. I have been told by
numerous other Churchill reserachers that Winston Churchill's family
originated from the Spencer line (Princess Di's). Several generations back
Winstons ancestor assumed the name of Churchill from a step-father. I have
not personally done research on Winston's line, but have not found any
evidence of a relationship to Josiah's line. Has anyone else found
anything on this?
You made reference to a Churchill Book; what is the title and who is the
author? I have a couple of Churchill Books, but I'm always interested in
obtaining another one.
Sylvia Wilson
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Werk <bwerk(a)i29.net>
To: <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2000 8:49 PM
Subject: Chester B. Churchill & Catherine Punkle (Purkle?)
> Marta:
>
> I do believe we've created a successful bond!
>
> I have the very people you speak of, so here's what I have in our book:
>
> Chester B and Catherine were married Oct 30, 1848. However, Catherine's
> last name in my book reads Purkle. You had Punkle. I'd like to confirm
> each of our spellings....At any rate, they had 9 kids as you've noted.
>
> There's a short footnote in our book about Hattie: (let me know if any of
> this is news to you.)
>
> "Harriet married first, a Mr. Standard about 1869. She was not included
in
> her Farther's family in the 1870 census taken July 9, 1870. In the 1880
> census, she was included in her Father's family as Harriet Standard.
Later
> she married William Pittman. their daughter, Margaret B. Pittman was born
> Nov. 8, 1887. She married Harry I. Shawver on July 28, 1914 in Grand
Forks,
> ND. (this may indicate the Pittman family had moved to Grand Forks.
> Margaret's obituary states that she had one sister and a half brother,
both
> of whom died earlier.
>
> As far as taking Chester back to Josiah, here's how that goes: (the father
> will be the name to the right of each name)
>
> Chester > Charles Beldon Churchill I > Levi Churchill > Captain Charles
> Churchill > Samuel Churchill > Joseph Churchill > Josiah Churchill. Then
> the road block begins.
>
> As for Winston, our book doesn't confirm any relation to him, but that
> doesn't mean much. I'm guessing the best way to find that would be to
look
> to any Winston Churchill foundation or museum or something in England.
I'm
> guessing he has his family well documented somewhere. The English seem to
> be pretty well at that. Churchill's a unique enough name that it has to
be
> related.
>
> regards,
>
> Brian L. Werk
> Fargo, ND, USA
> http://home.i29.net/~bwerk
> surnames: WERK, CHURCHILL, BACON,
> HENRICHS, SCHWENSOHN,
> HENDRICKSON, HECTOR, & LAMFERS
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marta Bennett <cows(a)mtco.com>
> To: Brian Werk <bwerk(a)i29.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 9:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Churchill Association
>
>
> > Hi Brian,
> >
> > My line is from Hattie Churchill who married Elias Standard. Hattie's
> > father was Chester B. Churchill and her grandfather was Charles Beldon
> > Churchill. Charles was from Conn. and Chester was from Onieda Co., NY.
> > Other children of Chester B. Churchill and Catherine M. Punkle were:
> > Mildon; Chester, Jr.; Leonard; Washington; George; William; Stephen;
Kate;
> > and James. I have found on the FHC's website the connection from
Charles
> > Beldon to Josiah, but at this point and time can not remember how it
goes
> > back to him. I can let you know. Do any of these names sound familiar?
> > Also I was wondering if your wife had ever heard that she was related to
> > Winston Churchill. I have heard that from my relatives while I was
> growing
> > up, but have yet to find anything. Please let me know.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Marta :-)
> > Princeville, IL
> >
> > At 06:08 PM 3/19/00 -0600, you wrote:
> > >Marta
> > >
> > >I would be interested in learning more about your family line. My
wife's
> > >Churchill family came from Cuba, IL. While we have some info dating
> further
> > >back, Leonard Hubbard Churchill (1820-1909) is the beginning of the
line.
> I
> > >believe he and his family resided in Cuba, IL.
> > >
> > >I have a very complete Churchill family albumn dating back to Josiah
> > >Churchill (Churchell in those days) dating to the early 1600's.
> > >
> > >What info do you have to this point?
> > >
> > >thanks
> > >
> > >Brian L. Werk
> > >Fargo, ND, USA
> > >http://home.i29.net/~bwerk
> > >surnames: Werk, Churchill, Bacon, Henrichs, Schwensohn, Hendrickson,
> > >Hector, Lamfers, & Richards
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Marta Bennett <cows(a)mtco.com>
> > >To: <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 8:43 PM
> > >Subject: Churchill Association
> > >
> > >
> > >> I too think this would be a great thing. I can contribute what I
have
> > >> found on my side. As a matter of fact, I live in IL and alot of my
> > >> Churchill family came from NY to Cuba, IL and there is a cemetery
that
> is
> > >> full of them. I have yet to go and get pictures of the graves, but I
> can
> > >> do that as well.
> > >>
> > >> Marta Bennett
> > >> Princeville, IL
> > >>
> > >> ______________________________
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
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Marta:
I do believe we've created a successful bond!
I have the very people you speak of, so here's what I have in our book:
Chester B and Catherine were married Oct 30, 1848. However, Catherine's
last name in my book reads Purkle. You had Punkle. I'd like to confirm
each of our spellings....At any rate, they had 9 kids as you've noted.
There's a short footnote in our book about Hattie: (let me know if any of
this is news to you.)
"Harriet married first, a Mr. Standard about 1869. She was not included in
her Farther's family in the 1870 census taken July 9, 1870. In the 1880
census, she was included in her Father's family as Harriet Standard. Later
she married William Pittman. their daughter, Margaret B. Pittman was born
Nov. 8, 1887. She married Harry I. Shawver on July 28, 1914 in Grand Forks,
ND. (this may indicate the Pittman family had moved to Grand Forks.
Margaret's obituary states that she had one sister and a half brother, both
of whom died earlier.
As far as taking Chester back to Josiah, here's how that goes: (the father
will be the name to the right of each name)
Chester > Charles Beldon Churchill I > Levi Churchill > Captain Charles
Churchill > Samuel Churchill > Joseph Churchill > Josiah Churchill. Then
the road block begins.
As for Winston, our book doesn't confirm any relation to him, but that
doesn't mean much. I'm guessing the best way to find that would be to look
to any Winston Churchill foundation or museum or something in England. I'm
guessing he has his family well documented somewhere. The English seem to
be pretty well at that. Churchill's a unique enough name that it has to be
related.
regards,
Brian L. Werk
Fargo, ND, USA
http://home.i29.net/~bwerk
surnames: WERK, CHURCHILL, BACON,
HENRICHS, SCHWENSOHN,
HENDRICKSON, HECTOR, & LAMFERS
----- Original Message -----
From: Marta Bennett <cows(a)mtco.com>
To: Brian Werk <bwerk(a)i29.net>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: Churchill Association
> Hi Brian,
>
> My line is from Hattie Churchill who married Elias Standard. Hattie's
> father was Chester B. Churchill and her grandfather was Charles Beldon
> Churchill. Charles was from Conn. and Chester was from Onieda Co., NY.
> Other children of Chester B. Churchill and Catherine M. Punkle were:
> Mildon; Chester, Jr.; Leonard; Washington; George; William; Stephen; Kate;
> and James. I have found on the FHC's website the connection from Charles
> Beldon to Josiah, but at this point and time can not remember how it goes
> back to him. I can let you know. Do any of these names sound familiar?
> Also I was wondering if your wife had ever heard that she was related to
> Winston Churchill. I have heard that from my relatives while I was
growing
> up, but have yet to find anything. Please let me know.
>
> Thanks
> Marta :-)
> Princeville, IL
>
> At 06:08 PM 3/19/00 -0600, you wrote:
> >Marta
> >
> >I would be interested in learning more about your family line. My wife's
> >Churchill family came from Cuba, IL. While we have some info dating
further
> >back, Leonard Hubbard Churchill (1820-1909) is the beginning of the line.
I
> >believe he and his family resided in Cuba, IL.
> >
> >I have a very complete Churchill family albumn dating back to Josiah
> >Churchill (Churchell in those days) dating to the early 1600's.
> >
> >What info do you have to this point?
> >
> >thanks
> >
> >Brian L. Werk
> >Fargo, ND, USA
> >http://home.i29.net/~bwerk
> >surnames: Werk, Churchill, Bacon, Henrichs, Schwensohn, Hendrickson,
> >Hector, Lamfers, & Richards
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Marta Bennett <cows(a)mtco.com>
> >To: <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 8:43 PM
> >Subject: Churchill Association
> >
> >
> >> I too think this would be a great thing. I can contribute what I have
> >> found on my side. As a matter of fact, I live in IL and alot of my
> >> Churchill family came from NY to Cuba, IL and there is a cemetery that
is
> >> full of them. I have yet to go and get pictures of the graves, but I
can
> >> do that as well.
> >>
> >> Marta Bennett
> >> Princeville, IL
> >>
> >> ______________________________
> >
> >
> >
My Churchill's were living in Hanover Square, London in 1881 but also had
a country house called Weybridge Park in Weybridge, Surrey. see my family
tree at
http://members.tripod.co.uk/Adrian_Money/
-----Original Message-----
From: Jan Denford <denford(a)iinet.net.au>
To: CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 23 March 2000 09:31
Subject: London Churchills?
>Dear Listers.
>I have only just joined this list and would appreciate a bit of background
info.
>What areas are most of you researching?
>My CHURCHILL ancestors, came from LONDON, ENGLAND.
> Are there many of you with London Churchills?
>If so, has anyone ever done a sort of "data base' of them?
>I would be very interested in hearing from you all.
>Thanks
>Jan.
>
>Research interests...
>
>CHURCHILL-LONDON 1700-
>Elizabeth b c1830. father William or James. Sent on 'Bride ships' to
Australia 1849.
> Brother John b c1833 sent from St Marylebone Workhouse to 'BARKING' 1849.
>Half sister Charlotte.
>Oxford St. St Marylebone Workhouse. Coachbuilders.
>
>FENNELL-AWRE, GLOUSTERSHIRE 1700-
>William B 1816. son of William or Charles.
>William conv burglary with William Mercey, Awre, Gloust 1850.
>Transported to Aust 1854 per 'Sea Park'.
>
>MOORE-SURREY 1700-
>Edward b c1807 m Elizabeth BRYANT/BRIANT.
>
>HUTTON-YORKSHIRE 1700-
>James. Haycock. Sarah/Sally. William.
>Horton Lane Independent, Bradford.
>Military. Pensioner Guard on convict ship to Australia. Shoemaker.
>
>GREEN-ST ALBANS, LONDON 1800s
>Levi m Lucy Senyard.
> Chimney Sweep. Parkhurst Lad.
>
>
>
>
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Dear Listers.
I have only just joined this list and would appreciate a bit of background info.
What areas are most of you researching?
My CHURCHILL ancestors, came from LONDON, ENGLAND.
Are there many of you with London Churchills?
If so, has anyone ever done a sort of "data base' of them?
I would be very interested in hearing from you all.
Thanks
Jan.
Research interests...
CHURCHILL-LONDON 1700-
Elizabeth b c1830. father William or James. Sent on 'Bride ships' to Australia 1849.
Brother John b c1833 sent from St Marylebone Workhouse to 'BARKING' 1849.
Half sister Charlotte.
Oxford St. St Marylebone Workhouse. Coachbuilders.
FENNELL-AWRE, GLOUSTERSHIRE 1700-
William B 1816. son of William or Charles.
William conv burglary with William Mercey, Awre, Gloust 1850.
Transported to Aust 1854 per 'Sea Park'.
MOORE-SURREY 1700-
Edward b c1807 m Elizabeth BRYANT/BRIANT.
HUTTON-YORKSHIRE 1700-
James. Haycock. Sarah/Sally. William.
Horton Lane Independent, Bradford.
Military. Pensioner Guard on convict ship to Australia. Shoemaker.
GREEN-ST ALBANS, LONDON 1800s
Levi m Lucy Senyard.
Chimney Sweep. Parkhurst Lad.