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I found the Joshua Churchill below in the Cambridge University Alumni Listings.
The listing is interesting in that the use of Joshua by a Churchill in this
period and in this area could indicate Joshua was from an Anglican
non-conformist family. Note that he was ejected and became a Dorchester area
preacher. (The American Plymouth and Connecticut Churchill progenitors were
non-conformists.)
Unfortunately his parents aren't named.
I have Fordington Churchills circa 1631 thru 1664 but have not connected them
to the Dorchester main line. Winterbourne Came is quite close to Fordington.
Does anyone have Dorchester, Dorset Churchill families who might fit this
Joshua Churchill?
CHURCHILL, JOSHUA
College: EMMANUEL
Entered: 1647
Born:
Died:
Adm. sizar at EMMANUEL, Jan. 29, 1647-8. Of Dorset. Matric. 1647-8; already
entered at Queens', Aug. 18, 1644. V. of Over Compton, Dorset, in 1650. R.of
Winterbourne Came and Farringdon, 1655. V. of Fordington, 1656; ejected, 1662.
Afterwards a preacher at Dorchester. (Calamy, I. 451.)
Bill Churchill
USA
Thought for the day: Only genealogists regard a step backwards as progress !
Posted by Sheila Titcombe on the Oxfordshire list
______________________________
This was posted on the Dorset list.
Ack to Ian Beach, BC list
> Last night as I lay sleeping
> I died or so it seemed
> Then I went to heaven
> But only in my dreams
> But then St Peter met me
> There at the pearly gates
> He said "I must check your record
> Please stand here and wait"
> He turned and said "Your record
> Is covered with terrible flaws
> On earth I see you laboured
> for every losing cause
> I see you drank alcohol
> And used smokes and drugs too
> Fact is you've done everything
> A good man should never do
> We can't have men like you up here
> Your life is full of sin"
> Then he read the last of my record
> Grasped my hand and said "Come in"
> He took me up to the big boss and said
> "Take him in and treat him well
> he used to search for ancestors
> He's done his time in hell"
>
Tim,
Tim,
I think you are talking about the Churchill near Barnstaple and Churchill farm
near Rockbeare. Both areas were held by the Churchill ancestor Roger de
Courcelles before 1100 -- but then most of Devon, Dorset and Somerset were
administered by Roger before 1100 thanks to Bishop Odo and King William. It
happens that I have a description of the hamlets that I can pass along as
follows:
Churchill near Barnstaple:
The Churchill near Barnstable in North Devon would be called a hamlet i.e. an
isolated farm with a few farm workers cottages grouped round it. It is shown
as having been spelt:
Cercilla in the Domesday Book,
Cherchill in 1121,
Chirkehull in 1216,
Churchehille in 1242,
Churechull in 1284, and
Churchulle in 1302.
This Churchill doesn't seem to have any connection with the family but it does
indicate in how many different ways places (and families) were spelt.
Churchill Farm near Rockbere (Hamlet of Churchill)
This Churchill to which Hoskins refers is near Rockbere. It is the place that
Burkes says the Churchill family were in the time of Edward IV. Is not clear
whether the place was called after the family. It seems that the Normans were
typically called de --- after the place they came from in France. On the other
hand farms and small settlements were often called after the family that first
hacked out the clearing in the forest, or later farm owners. This Churchill
though called Churchill Farm is more of a hamlet. Hoskins says of Broad Clyst
(or Broadclyst) that "several of the farms date from before the Conquest (e.g.
Ashclyst, Clyst Gerred, West Clyst, Mosshayne, Columbjohn and Eveleigh.) Many
such as Killerton, Churchill and Southbrook date from shortly after Domesday."
The Place Names of Devon gives Churchill Farm as:
Montem de Cherchull in 1281,
Chircheshull in 1311 and
Churchull in 1330
The Devon Churchills:
Elias de Churchulle (with several variations of surname spelling) is said to be
the Devon Churchill ancestor. This may not be literally true since there is
some indication that Elias had siblings. However, Elias was certainly the most
prominent member of the family and following the Marlborough principle Elias
being progenitor works for descendency purposes. Elias and his wife Sarah
Wildworthy settled at Broad Clyst sometime before 1314. In 1314 he bought land
in Clifton and in that deed is called Elias de Churchill. This is the first
record of the Churchill surname spelling being used. There is no indication
that Elias or any of his descendents ever held Churchill but it is possible.
As one can see above, the hamlet was carrying "Churchill like" names before
Elias' time so it may be that when the de Churchulles came under pressure to
Anglicize their name that the hamlet felt the same pressure. Elias is the
progenitor of the Devon and Dorset Churchills and the likely progenitor of the
Oxfordshire Churchills.
Bill Churchill
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Churchill [SMTP:tim@tchurchill.freeserve.co.uk]
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 3:16 PM
To: CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Name origins?
Hi,
Ther are two small towns in the South of England with the name Churchill,
and I suspect that some Churchills originated from those.
Tim Churchill.
______________________________
Ostlunder,
For information your surname reference "Cheirchil" and "Chercheile" below
probably date from the 12th or 13th centuries.
"Curichill" & "Churchull" would be a bit later in time.
It should be noted that there was little standardization of surname spellings
in early times. This included people who knew how to write. Every Churchill
and his dog spelled their name differently -- that's not literally true of
course. But there are quite a variation in spellings in the records. Even for
the same individuals. It is interesting.
Your line "Churchill - From The Old English cirice and hyle" is probably an out
of context reference to the origin of name Churchill. (Note that I say name
Churchill and not surname Churchill. In origin they are not the same.)
On the "Churchill from 1086 onward" statement, there was no name Churchill in
1086 nor could there have been. In 1086 old English was in use. There was no
word "church" and no word "hill." At that time "church" was spelled "cyrice"
(pronounced with hard Cs) and "hill" was spelled "hyll." I suspect that the
"cirice" and "hyle" above refer to "cyrice" and "hyll" in their original
context but, of course, have no way of knowing. Thus, neither the word nor
name "Churchill" existed in 1086. Indeed the first appearance of name
"Churchill" (and not surname Churchill) was in about 1282 in connection with a
Court in Somerset. (The Court is actually mentioned in 1180 but not by name.)
It is likely the name of the Court came about by place association with a
nearby chapel. That is "near a church on a hill" > "near a church hill" >
"Churchill" -- or something like that. In 1885 St. John the Baptist Church
(Church of England) was located on or near the site of the 13th century chapel.
Bill Churchill
-----Original Message-----
From: OSTLUNDR(a)aol.com [SMTP:OSTLUNDR@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:09 PM
To: CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: CHURCHILL name
Not sure where I got this but, I made a note of it.
CHURCHILL -from the old English cirice and hyle
CURICHILL
CHEIRCHIL
CHERCHEILE
CHURCHULL
CHURCHILL from 1086 onward.
______________________________
Steve,
Thanks for posting the Cherokee info.
Jay
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve J. Camer" <stevec80(a)juno.com>
To: <CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 10:20 AM
Subject: Churchill Cherokee
> There was one Churchill (Maude - OK) on the Miller Cherokee Roll
> (Rejected). I assume some are on the accepted roll, but I do not have
> it. There were many people falsely rejected. Their applications,
> rejected or not, state their ancestry and why they feel they were of
> Cherokee descent.
>
> The table of contents of a new academic study of the roll is at
> http://members.aol.com/rarebk
>
> The site also has on-line the surname index of "Starr's Old Cherokee
> Families and Their Genealogy," a Cherokee Genealogy Tutorial which is a
> great primer on how to do effective Indian genealogy research, the 1835
> Cherokee census which is within the tutorial, other indexes, and a Native
> American CD which appears to contain huge amounts of Native American
> genealogical material. Very fascinating.
>
> Steve
>
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There was one Churchill (Maude - OK) on the Miller Cherokee Roll
(Rejected). I assume some are on the accepted roll, but I do not have
it. There were many people falsely rejected. Their applications,
rejected or not, state their ancestry and why they feel they were of
Cherokee descent.
The table of contents of a new academic study of the roll is at
http://members.aol.com/rarebk
The site also has on-line the surname index of "Starr's Old Cherokee
Families and Their Genealogy," a Cherokee Genealogy Tutorial which is a
great primer on how to do effective Indian genealogy research, the 1835
Cherokee census which is within the tutorial, other indexes, and a Native
American CD which appears to contain huge amounts of Native American
genealogical material. Very fascinating.
Steve
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Steve,
I suppose a simple "No, Churchills came from England not Ireland" would be
sufficient for your need -- but this is how it happened . . .
There were Churchills in Ireland as early as the late 17th century but the
surname is not of Irish origin. The name Churchill is English. The family
descends from a Norman family whose surname pronounced somewhat like Churchill
(with the c's soft like s's). This Norman ancestor was William de Courcelles
(Courcil) who was born about 1020. This William is not the earliest Churchill
ancestor but was the first lord of Courcelle. Courcelle (pronounced somewhat
like Churchill) is the name from which the modern surname evolved.
As you trace the Churchill ancestors through time the surname spelling changes
but is always based on the phonetic pronunciation. Thus, by 1100 the surname
was spelled "de Curcell," in 1180 we find "de Churchile," in late 1200 "de
Churchulle." Finally, in 8 Edward II (1314) we see the first appearance of the
modern spelling "Churchill." An Elias de Churchulle, born in 1271 in Somerset
is recorded as "Elias de Churchill" in a deed to property in Clifton, Devon.
This modern spelling didn't catch on at first but by the third generation
after this "1271 Elias" his descendents were using the spelling and, for the
most part, had dropped the "de." (One branch of the family still used the "de"
along with the modern spelling as late as 1400.)
It should be noted that "Churchill" is actually not a natural evolution of the
earlier surnames. That is to say given English pronunciation the surname could
not naturally have evolved to a "Churchill" spelling. While too involved to
explain here it is likely that the "Churchill" spelling was copied from a
Churchill Court located in Somersetshire. The court got its name by place
association with a chapel before 1282.
Regards,
Bill Churchill
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve J. Camer [SMTP:stevec80@juno.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 6:34 PM
To: CHURCHILL-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Name origins?
What country (Ireland?) did the Churchill name come from?
Steve
Not sure where I got this but, I made a note of it.
CHURCHILL -from the old English cirice and hyle
CURICHILL
CHEIRCHIL
CHERCHEILE
CHURCHULL
CHURCHILL from 1086 onward.
What country (Ireland?) did the Churchill name come from?
Steve
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