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Author: magoo42
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I thought he was called William Malachi C. I don't know of any other child of Oliver C and Jemima R named William. There are a couple of 1817 land petitions from a William C who claimed to be son of Lieut. Oliver Church UC where he says he's reached the age of 21 ( the mention of 'Lieut' is what makes me think he's the same William Malachi as in Lanhorn's register ). His two brothers' petitions certainly coloured the truth, maybe he thought he could get away with outright lies, that's just my theory. Apparently at different times brothers Oliver Jnr and Jonathan Mills were 'suspended' from the UC rolls.
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Author: JimChurch81
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Oliver and Jemima seemed to have a 2nd Malachi baptized Feb 5, 1791.. Too many Malachi's http://my.tbaytel.net/bmartin/langhorn.htm
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Author: JimChurch81
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All I have to add is be careful where you get your information on the line of Richard and Ann Church. A lot of the information came from Gustav Anjou and if you look up his name he was one of the greatest forgers of Genealogies out there. A lot of his work needs sourcing because he did an awful lot of Genealogies in a very short time. He is the one that said Richards wife's name was Ann Marsh.. We know now that it cannot be proven. Richard's will only refers to her as Ann. A lot of people call her Marsh but it cannot be proven.
As for some referring to my Oliver being from Danby that cannot be proven either. There is no trace found of either family in Vermont. I was a member of the Vermont Genealogy Society and they have done a lot of work on the Churchs because it was a very popular name but my family has never come up and searching the records located in the Mountain in Utah comes up with a blank as well. The closes we have found is a reference to a Oliver Church that was a runaway but that is it, no mention of a family, no mention of a son or a wife.
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Author: jtpearce14
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Ann Eliza Church is one of my great great grandmothers. She married Richard Warfield in 1852 in Union County, KY. They moved soon to Harrisburg, Saline County, IL. 22 Jun 1853 after giving birth to my great grandmother, Anna Church. Anna married James Harvey Pearce and lived in Harrisburg, Saline County, IL all her life. Anna Pearce died in 1938.
Jim Pearce (jtpearce7@yahoo)
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Author: jtpearce14
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Ann Eliza Church is one of my great great grandmothers. She married Richard Warfield in 1852 in Union County, KY. They moved soon to Harrisburg, Saline County, IL. 22 Jun 1853 after giving birth to my great grandmother, Anna Church. Anna married James Harvey Pearce and lived in Harrisburg, Saline County, IL all her life. Anna Pearce died in 1938.
Jim Pearce (jtpearce7@yahoo)
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Author: jtpearce14
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There are Churchs in Union County, KY from about 1800.
Jim Pearce
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Author: magoo42
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Unless they had a practice of "no politics at the dinner table"!
I don't know much about Malachi Junior b 1769, so far have just assumed he was the much younger brother of Lieut. Oliver C and Sgt. Jonathan Mills C. Just a kid when the Revolutionary War broke out so no surprise to see WWW accounts that say only two sons of Malachi b 1732 sided with Malachi and the King. The story of Col. Timothy C being called to account/testify or somesuch because of contact with the hunted Lieut. Oliver suggests the two sides might have been on speaking terms. If Eliz. Mills was wife of Malachi 1732 and had died by that time, it figures that some relative might have been looking after the younger children including Malachi Jr.
Good luck with the Will hunt. One of these days I'll try to get to a library where I can look up Revolutionary War Pensions, which were quite generous being transferrable to widows and children of American soldiers, even ones that moved to Canada and married Loyalists! Those have been some help with other lines in the past.
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Author: JTFAASEN1
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It is all a puzzle, I do hope to find the the actual wording of the will and probate record of Rev. Jonathan Mills of Harwick. That might help to answer some questions like if it names the heirs of his deceased children are mentioned in the record who should have each been gave a present. The only record I have found to date related to this is a very oddly worded worded Deed in Suffolk records via familysearch.org. It is a deed listed in the Grantor index under "John Mills & all" and also listed under "Hannah Mills & all," but not under Jonathan Mills or Jonathan Mills estate. It was recorded in 1778, Book 128, page 79 with the actual transaction date being July 10, 1776. It states "I Jonathan Mills of Harwick," in Barnstable sells to John Vinton of Braintree, a Blacksmith, the homestead of John Mills in Braintree and then it is only signed by Hannah Mills.
As to Malachi Church, husband of Elizabeth (Mills) Church if he died in 1776, the Malachi Church in Brattleboro, VT in the 1790/1791 census would be Malachi Church Jr. (1769-1864) ?
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Church&GSiman=1&GSc...
This Malachi Church has 1 male over 16 years old, 1 male under 16, and 4 females
Church Family Christmas dinners between 1776 and 1815 must have been some real "barn burners."
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Author: magoo42
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Thanks very much for that transcript. It's informative and puzzling at the same time but I guess we should be used to such puzzles in the genealogy game.
I looked at another Land Petition by Jonathan Mills Church from 1797
( 1st page at http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e...
which is the one that states Malachi died at Montreal ( probably Lac St. Jean ) in 1776 but doesn't mention his mother at all. Another thing that fits with her living and dying in what became the American States is that I've never been able to find a Land Petition by her - of course widows of Loyalists were entitled to land grants, so this would fit with her never coming to Canada povince ( as it was known before 1791, after that it was split into Upper and Lower provinces ).
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Author: JTFAASEN1
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As to Rev. Jonathan Mills of Harwick, MA, I have not found an on-line transcript of his will written on Jan 4, 1769 and proven Aug 10, 1773. I assume it was filed in either Barnstable or Suffork county. I have not checked FamilySearch.org as yet to learn if they have those probate records are on line.
There is a summery of his will in the book "A history of Harwich, Barnstable County, Massachusetts..." by Josiah Paine, pages 240 and 241.
It can be viewed on line.
http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=wu.89067486688#view=1up;seq=268
OR a transcript of those pages
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CT-RIVER-VALLEY/1999-09/093...
TO SUMMARIZE a summery
In Rev Jonathan Mills' will of 1769, he mentions as his children: John Mills, Jemima Vinton, Elizabeth Church, Jonathan Mills, Abigail Woolcott, and Hannah Mills. Of those only John Mills, Jemima Vinton, and Hannah Mills are living when the will was proven in 1773. (This Hannah Mills later married William Sturgis of Barnstable, MA).
So if Jonathan Mills Church's mother, Elizabeth (Mills) Church was alive after Aug 10, 1773, she wouldn't be the daughter of Rev. Jonathan Mills of Harwick, MA.
James
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Not that I now it would help, but there is a Danby in Rutland County, VT.
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Author: magoo42
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Oliver's and Jemima's Malachi died when an infant in 1789. It took me a few years to trace back to that Oliver. I see another interesting post, looks like it's from the same James who posted on this thread the other day, at http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.church/1814/mb.ashx
First time I'd seen a possible connection for the name 'Oliver'.
Although I was able to prove back to Malachi through various sources including Land Petitions, it wasn't until I did a Y-dna test with familytreedna that I was certain of the line right back to Richard of Hartford. Immediately on the test results being done, I received emails from several people with very close matches on 67 markers, all except one having good proof of American lines going back to that Richard. The one exception has the surname Churchill which male line he can prove back to about 1826 then the trail goes dead. So far he is assuming his 1826 Churchill was adopted which is quite possible based on some census records but not proven yet. On the other hand it's also possible that a Mr. Church fathered a child with a Mrs. Churchill unbeknownst to Mr. Churchill.
I see that familytreedna has their 37 marker test on sale at USD 129 just now, not quite as certain but from what I've learned since probably good enough. Before I took the 67 marker test (actually upgraded at a discount from the ancestry dot com test which I think has since been dropped) I had spent much more than the test cost on other sources. I mention this not to plug familytreedna but just to point out that a y-dna test can possible save years of searching.
best to all the Churches and Mills out there,
p
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Author: JimChurch81
Surnames: Church, Pangborn, Rose, Helferich
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As for Malachi if I remember right Oliver and Jemima also had a son Malachi.. There has been a lot of confusion over the years about the two Oliver Srs. and the two Oliver Jrs. and it doesn't help any when Oliver Sr. and his wife Margaret Pangborn and children lived with Jonathon Mills Church and wife and family when they first came to Canada. Although no relationship between the two families has ever been found it has been suggested that perhaps Margaret and Oliver(Jemima) share a family history somewhere and that is the reason they are living together. The two Olivers don't fit into each others tree but then there is nothing known about Oliver and Margaret and their son Oliver before their coming to Canada. I know Thad E. Leavitt in his book The History of Leeds and Greville claims they were from Danbury Vermont but there is no such place as Danbury Vermont now or ever has been. Nor has Oliver, Margaret or Oliver Jr. ever been found on any records in Vermont showing the Pa!
ngborn or this particular Church family(non Loyalist) ever been found prior to their arriving in Canada.
Yes I believe they are related but how no one knows. There has been a lot of misinformation posted as well showing the two men to be the same person but with 16 years difference in age and different family members we know they are wrong. Malachi and Oliver was a very common name back then. With Malachi being popular in the Loyalist family and Oliver being popular with my family.
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Author: magoo42
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Interesting post, I don't have conclusive answers, just some comments: The transcript of JM Church's 1800 land petition might be misleading. Of his mother and younger siblings he says only that he "had" their care. It makes sense to me that being the second oldest son when his father Malachi and brother Oliver went to Gov. Tryon at New York in 1776, in their absence he became the "man of the house" as they say. I've seen nothing to show his mother or siblings went to Canada, so I assume it's possible Elizabeth Mills stayed in Brattleboro. Certainly she had lots of Church relatives by marriage around there.
I've looked at a number of Upper Canada Land Petitions and it seems clear to me that the petitioners chose wording that was the most favourable to their case. Oliver Church, son of Lieut. Oliver Church got a land grant around 1796 when he was only sixteen. His petition stated he served in the King's Royal Regiment and was attested, if I remember correctly, by its commander, his uncle-by-marriage Hazelton Spencer. It's pretty obvious he was just a teenage recruit, years after the hostilities ended.
One of Lieut. Oliver Church's petitions states that after the 1776 meeting with Tryon, Malachi "died in the winter of that year", so I assume Malachi did die in 1777 or perhaps late 1776.
Somewhere I've seen notes about another Malachi who may have been of Lieut. Oliver Church's and Sergeant Jonathan Mills Church's, who didn't side with the King and lived and died in the U.S. but I forget just where. Like a lot of people I don't keep a tree of all the Church lines which is a bit unfortunate when trying to distinguish similar forenames. And certainly there were at least two other Jonathan Church's who sided with the rebellion.
Also I wonder if Rev. Jonathan Mills' Will or a transcript is available online, I'd like to see it.
regards,
p
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Author: Johnday510
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My great, great grandmother was Sarah Elizabeth Church. Most people have her identified as just Eliza. I found a certificate of death for one of her children. That is how I found out her name to be something other than Eliza. She married a man named Alexander Ross Hill in Leeds, Ontario, Canada, in 1838. She died in 1854. I believe her mother was Laura Brown and her father was Jonathan Mills Church. However, if the information that has been introduced in this forum is accurate, I probably have the wrong Church line. The towns I have associated with her name are Johnstown, Bastard Leeds, Ontario, Canada and Elizabethtown of the same county. Is any of this information accurate? Does anyone else have a Jonathan Mills Church and a Laura Brown in their Church family line?
I did receive some information earlier about Malachi and his sons, but they lived in a different part of Canada. I am further confused.
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Author: JTFAASEN1
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I am not a Church family member, but have an interest in Malachi's wife Elizabeth Mills of Hadley. There are those in the Mills family research community that have speculated that she was the daughter of Rev. Jonathan Mills late of Harwich, MA. For me, this connection would work well to help prove that John Mill(s) late of Brattleboro in 1787 and assumed wife the "Widow" Mills found list in Brattleboro in the 1790 census and that they had a good connection to both Hadley, MA and Brattleboro, VT to account for some family member's stated birth places.
The research compiled by Bradley Brehmer and shown on http://members.shaw.ca/steeples/records.jpg establishes that her name was Elizabeth Mills and not Miller, but Jonathan Mills Church's 1800 land petition states his mother was still alive. Unless, this "mother" is not Elizabeth (Mills) Church who married Malachi in 1756 and just a 2nd wife of Malachi Church. If this is his actual mother, it would rule her out as the Elizabeth Church mentioned as a daughter in the 1769 will of Rev. Jonathan Mills, as that Elizabeth (Mills) Church was no longer living when the will was proven in 1773.
However, in the online time line of the Church family on the site gives Malachi Church death in 1777 and 1790 and states another marriage date for him of Oct 1779 in Brattleboro, VT. From this, is it to be understood that the Malachi Church, brother of Col. Timothy Church, had a 2nd wife? And if so, this would be the "mother" Jonathan Mills Church would be referring to as living with him in 1784 and mentioned in his 1800 petition 1800 letter?
It might also be of interest to understanding which Oliver Church is which can be found in the Minutes of the Commissioners for Detecting and Defeating Conspiracies in New York. In Oct 1780, Capt. Timothy Church of Brattleboro, and Jonathan Mills Church of Cumberland county along with Comfort Joy were accused of communicating with British officer Oliver Church and Lt. Jonathan Church was called by the commission as a witness against them.
In regards to Elizabeth (Mills) Church, it is interesting to note that the John Mill(s) late of Brattleboro was insolvent at the time of his death before 10 Mar 1787 and Capt. Aremas Howe of Brattleboro was appointed to look into his interests. Artemas Howe was a subordinate to Col. Timothy Church and Howe's son Moses Howe married Ann Mills in Brattleboro at about that same time. Via the recorded given names of John Mill's children in Quincy, MA, being Ann, Bathsheba, Jerima, Jonathan, and John, and they being in records of Brattleboro, VT and Westford, NY, my speculation is that this John Mills was the son of Rev. Jonathan Mills late of Harwich, MA and that his sister, if proven to have died before 1773 and Malachi Church remarried in 1779, this John Mills might be Malachi's brother-in-law. Further, this John Mills might also be the John Mills of Hoosick, NY, just west of Bennington who was imprisoned around the time of the battle of Bennington in 1777. Speculation is tha!
t his land was confiscated similar to what NY authorities tried to do to Col. Timothy Church and possibly for just communicating with his brother-in-law or nephew.
James
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