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Author: markanthonyartist
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im from peleg of montville.
check out my tree if you can see it
thanks for all your work
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Author: Johnday510
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I have tried exploring some of the other areas of Archive Canada. So far I have been disappointed. I know they existed. I just can't prove that "they"(my great, great grandparents) existed. Frustrating.
Johnday
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Dear Church listers,
My first Church ancestor in Wisconsin, my home state, was Benjamin F. Church, who arrived in early day Milwaukee in 1835. He was a carpenter and builder, born in New Paltz, Ulster County, New York. He married Elizabeth Permilia (maiden name possibly Clemens). They had 6 children.
His parents were Caleb Church and Hannah Baker, who can be found on pages 323-323 of the book Descendants of Richard Church of Plymouth, Mass. -- in the Unplaced Members of the Plymouth Family. Caleb was either born in Dutchess County, NY, across the Hudson River from Ulster County, or elsewhere in New England.
=> http://archive.org/stream/descendantsofric00chur#page/322/mode/2up
This book describes Caleb as follows: "2542. Caleb Church, b 19 Dec, 1772; m in Dutchess Co. N. Y., Hannah Baker, b 4 Mar., 1773. They located in Loyd Township, Ulster Co., N. Y., where he carried on farming and coopering." Caleb and Hannah had a dozen children.
Caleb Church's parents are unknown / unproven. The above book states that his relatives in New Paltz believed he was the son of Caleb Church and Mercy Pope of Rhode Island. Descent would have been Caleb5, Nathaniel4, Joseph3, Joseph2, Richard1. However, Caleb and his sister Phebe are not in the relevant New Bedford, Mass., records, the book states.
I am pursuing the possibility that Caleb was a son of [or related to] Benjamin Church and Johannah Wilbor of Rhode Island, who moved to the Nine Partners area of Dutchess County, New York, by 1785 [established by a deed], but perhaps earlier. Benjamin and Johannah (Wilbor) Church were married in 1773 and had 5 or 6 known children.
Any information about this Caleb Church would be appreciated.
Barbara
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Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 18:10:51 -0500
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Would everyone researching the Church surname please list the Church ancestors you are researching and some information about them including names and dates and locations? Possibly another Church researcher might be researching the same Church line and have information that you have been searching for.
My Church ancestor was Benjamion church born in 1763 in North Carolina and was the son of Yankee John church who was born in Mass and died in 1810 in Wilkes co NC. Benjamin married but I do not knw who he married. He and his family left NC and went to SC. They were in Georgia after 1810 and I found Benjamin Church listed in the 1830 Campbell co Ga census. I could not find him in the 1840 census so he might have died in the 1830's in Campbell co Ga. His daughter Jane Church born about 1810 married Solomon Ray in 1829 in Henry co Ga. They were my ancestors. Any info about this Benjamin or his his children would be appreciated. thanks, Ross
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My Church ancestor was James Church, b. 1835 in CT. Supposedly in Gales Ferry. Father was born in CT too - don't know who he was though. James married Mary Elizabeth Dorrance in 1857 in Sterling, CT. They had three sons: Walter L. Church b 1857 died 1859 in Johnston, RI. Charles U. Church b. 1859 in Dodgeville, RI d. 1909 in Auburn, NY. John Herbert Church b. 1861 in Foster, RI and died 1925 in Providence, RI. James abandoned the family before 1865 in Chepatchet, RI and went to live in Norwich, CT. Mary sued him for divorce and full custody and won both because James was a no-show for the court hearings. He married Martha Fisher. Mary Elizabeth married John Bouvard in 1876.
Thanks!!! Leslie
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Would everyone researching the Church surname please list the Church ancestors you are researching and some information about them including names and dates and locations.? Possibly another Church researcher might be researching the same Church line and have information that you have been searching for.
My Church ancestor was James Church, b. 1835 in CT. Supposedly in Gales Ferry. Father was born in CT too - don't know who he was though. James married Mary Elizabeth Dorrance in 1857 in Sterling, CT. They had three sons: Walter L. Church b 1857 died 1859 in Johnston, RI. Charles U. Church b. 1859 in Dodgeville, RI d. 1909 in Auburn, NY. John Herbert Church b. 1861 in Foster, RI and died 1925 in Providence, RI. James abandoned the family before 1865 in Chepatchet, RI and went to live in Norwich, CT. Mary sued him for divorce and full custody and won both because James was a no-show for the court hearings. He married Martha Fisher. Mary Elizabeth married John Bouvard in 1876.
Thanks!!! Leslie
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Would everyone researching the Church surname please list the Chruch ancestors you are researching and some information about them including names and dates and locations.? Possibly another Church researcher might be researching the same Church line and have information that you have been searching for.
Would everyone researching the Church surname please list the Chruch ancestors you are researching and some information about them including names and dates and locations.? Possibly another Church researcher might be researching the same Church line and have information that you have been searching for.
My Church ancestor was Benjamion church born in 1763 in North Carolina and was the son of Yankee John church who was born in Mass and died in 1810 in Wilkes co NC. Benjamin married but I do not knw who he married. He and his family left NC and went to SC. They were in Georgia after 1810 and I found Benjamin Church listed in the 1830 Campbell co Ga census. I could not find him in the 1840 census so he might have died in the 1830's in Campbell co Ga. His daughter Jane Church born about 1810 married Solomon Ray in 1829 in Henry co Ga. They were my ancestors. Any info about this Benjamin or his his children would be appreciated. thanks, Ross
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I see Jim Church has posted to this thread, hello Jim. Jim is responsible for steering me in the right direction for the various Oliver Church's and Malachi's lines, even though the latter is apparently not his line.
I have seen a number of trees on Ancestry which copy some of the web pages Jim has put up, titled "Internet Notes" or similar. Jim gives full credit for many years of original research, long before the Internet, to Bradley Brehmer and his mother. But I know Jim's own research goes back just as long, when it was much more expensive and time-consuming, involving lots of travel and snail mail delays.
It appears that most of the full lists of Jonathan Mills Church's and his wives and children are mostly due to the pages at Jim's site: http://members.shaw.ca/steeples/
I should have mentioned Jim's site in addition to the ftdna and Archives Canada sites. (Archives Canada also has other records besides Land Petitions which may prove fruitful, I haven't look at those yet).
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Hi Mark. There are distinctly two Richards. Richard of Plymouth was a 21-22 year old bachelor who arrived in the late Spring of 1630. Richard of Hartford arrived as a "thirty something" with his wife and perhaps a child or two between 1628 and 1634. He was a dissident Purtian who aligned himself with a Reverenc Hooker who broke away from the Mass Bay Puritans led by John Wintrhop. Hooker and his following re-settled in Hartford where Richard Church is identified as one of its founders on the monolith you refer to. Late in life, Richard of Hartford had a falling out with the hierarchy there and returned to Massachusetts where he died in 1667. I hope this info is helpful. Alan Church
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Author: markanthonyartist
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well i have the wrong stuff i guess, but his name is on the stone in downtown hartford...
what changes to the tree are you suggesting. lets see your new research...
mark miranda, descendant
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Supposedly, Jonathan Mills the younger had a daughter named Eliza Elizabeth Church. I don't believe anyone would give their daughter the same name twice, but I can't find any proof of birth or death from Elizabethtown, Canada, to prove what her name really was or how she died.
I also have two Richard Churches who appear to be father and son that came to America as father and son. However, to prove anything is difficult and to separate fact from fiction is even more so. It is truly frustrating. But, it sounds like we have all fallen from the same tree in one way or another. If anyone gets any proof or knows how to access births before 1869 (or whatever Canada's time line is) please let me know.
Johnday510
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I am glad you brought up these Churchs. I am descended from a Church that got in this mix somehow. I am descended from Oliver Church of Leeds who married Margaret Pangborn confused in a lot of tress online with the Oliver Church you speak of in Malachi's line. My Oliver was born in 1773 supposedly in Vermont but has never been proven, he has a son Oliver who also was supposedly born in Vermont but that has never been proven either. I think some of the confusion lies in the two Olivers living in the same area and some of the confusion lies in Oliver and Margaret and family living with Jonathon Mills and his family in Upper Canada. While they are living together there is no biological connection between the two. While working with Malachi and his ancestors and descendents one also has to be careful of the fraudulent work of Gustav Anjou. If someone ever does sort out the two Oliver Church Sr.'s of Leeds, I would sure like to see it. Why were Oliver and Margaret living with Jon!
athon Mills if they aren't related. If they are related how are the related?
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Author: magoo42
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Here are some transcriptions:
To His Excellency Peter Hunter Esquire Governor of the Province of Upper Canada Lieut. General commanding he Army etc etc etc.
In Council
Humbly showeth that your Petitioner is the Son of Malachy [sic] Church deceased in his Majesty's service after his return from the southern Army with Dispatches to Gen'ls Carleton and Burgoyne in the year 1776 from his excessive fatigue. Refference [sic] to Capt? Jones Esquire and others who will vouch the deceased services.
And that your Petitioner being on service and was taken Prisoner tryed for his life and sentenced to perpetual Imprisonment in the Limsbury Mines in which your Petitioner lay six months sixty feet under ground (*), from which he with six other persons by forcing the guards made their escape which may be proved by persons of credit living in the American States if required.
Pray your Excellency may be pleased to grant him such a quantity of land for himself, his Mother and five Children which he had the charge of from their infancy after the decease of his Father as a compensation for his faithful discharge of so tender a trust
[second page] ...
As your Excellency in your wise judgment think fit
And your Petitioner as duty bound will ever pray
[signed] J. Mills Church
(*) see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Newgate_Prison This was an obsolete Connecticut copper mine used as a prison.
[third page, reiterating the petition] ...
Humbly sheweth that your Petitioner has been a Sergeant in 2nd Batt. Royal New York Volunteers commanded by Sir John Johnson where he faithfully served during the late war has only received two hundred Acres of land being his due as Sergeant, without the bounty Land.
Pray your Excellency may be pleased to order him two hundred Acres being the bounty Lands given to others in like station.
And your Petitioner as in duty bound will ever pray
J. Mills Church
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Author: Johnday510
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Thank you so much for your reply. I will print your messages so I can use them to refer to other references. I will also check my dates. I may have two of the same name, but perhaps they are not related.
Again, thank you for your reply and so much information. Wonderful!
Johnday510
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Author: magoo42
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Well, I'm glad this thread started, have just looked at JM's 1800 petition at
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e...
It states that his father Malachi died in the King's service and that his widowed mother (must be Elizabeth Mills) and five young children were in his care!
Also that he was taken prisoner, sentenced to life, held underground and escaped with others after six months.
Oliver's petitions aren't quite so colourful but one of them is vouched for Maj. James Rogers, younger brother of the famous Col. Robt. Rogers.
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For example, Jonathan's 1794 petition states he was a Sergeant in the 2nd Battalion of the King's Royal Rangers of New York (often called Robert's Rangers):
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e...
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I'm not aware of any evidence that Malachi was descended "from two Richard Church's who came from England". Whereas there is evidence that he descended from the Richard who went to MA around 1630 at about age 29, then being one of the founders of Hartford CT and living there from c1637 to c1660, removing to MA after some schism or other and later dying in Hadley MA about 1667. The rest of the line you mention makes sense. Jonathan Mills Church of Leeds descended from that Richard. Many of the lines in the first haplogroup at http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/church/results
have pretty good proof of descent from Richard of Hartford.
Another good source is the Archives Canada where the Upper Canada Land Petitions have been available online for about a year. In particular the petitions from Oliver Church, Jonathan's older brother prove he was son of Malachi of Brattleboro VT. I think Jonathan and his wife's petitions may give such proof but don't recall since it's been a while since I looked at them.
There was an another Richard who went to MA some years before this one, around 1610 as I recall, but I could be wrong about the year.
Malachi sided with the King in 1776, as did his two sons Oliver and Jonathan. One of Oliver's petitions states that Malachi died in Montreal that year (some sources claim of smallpox), after getting a commission from NY's Gov. Tryon. Oliver also got one and returned to NY and VT as a spy. It remains a mystery to me whether Malachi's wife Elizabeth Mills had already died. I don't know what Jonathan did during the 1776-1883 war but if you can't find his petitions, I may have saved them and could check.
There are lots of online trees that are wrong because they assume there was only one Malachi but there was also a later one, then there are the Oliver Church's of whom there are at least two pairs of fathers and sons who lived about the same time, one pair around Kitley and another in Prince Edward County (which is basically an island). The PEC ones are from Richard of Hartford's line. And there are some trees that claim the wrong Richard. Both Malachi and Nathaniel therefore have descendants who were so-called loyalist and others who were so-called rebels.
All I can think of for now,
pc
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My great great grandmother was Eliza Church, born in Elizabethtown, Leeds, Ontario, Canada. Her father was Jonathan Mills Church who was also born in Elizabethtown, Leeds, Canada. His father, the immigrant, was Jonathan Mills Church, 1760, born in Brattleboro, VT. His father was Malachi Church, born 1730 in Massachusetts. Then there was Nathaniel Church, 1704, of Hadley, Hampshire, Massachusetts. Nathaniel was preceded by two Samuel Churches both of Hadley, Hampshire, MA. Finally, the tree began with two Richard Churches who came to America from England. It has been difficult getting information about spouses and it has been difficult getting information that I trust to be correct. What do you know about this line?
Johnday510
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Look for Charles Church born born 1740 in Freetown, Ma.died 1789 Dover, Nova Scotia son of Charles Church ,b1710.. His desendants are listed in the Canadian Census for many generations.
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I have a long list of Churches in my family tree. There seems to be a lot of
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When and where did your family from and to?
Without info it is hard to advise.
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I have a long list of Churches in my family tree. There seems to be a lot of wrong information, misinformation, or absence of information. Where can I go to find some information that is reliable. Some of my Church relatives moved (or removed) from New England to Canada. I find it almost impossible to get information out of my Canada ancestors. Any suggestions.
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Hello,
Is there a FamilyTreeDNA project existing right now that allows Americans with the Church surname to participate?
I have several male cousins with the Church surname. We would all like to know which Church immigrant is our ancestor.
DNA testing may be the solution.
Key male is Caleb Church of Ulster County, NY, who married Hannah Baker and had a dozen children.
He is in the book Descendants of Richard Church of Plymouth, Mass., in the Unplaced Members section:
MORE: http://archive.org/stream/descendantsofric00chur#page/322/mode/2up
Among the 12 children was Benjamin Church who arrived in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, in 1835 and was a pioneer builder.
MORE:http://www.workingdogweb.com/Benjamin_Church.htm
Thank you.
Barbara
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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:16:49 -0000
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Subject: [CHURCH] UK males with Church surname for voluntary Dna testing
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Looking for UK male decedents of any Church or Churche who lived prior to 1600 to participate in a FamilyTreeDNA.com project involving the decendants of Richard Church of Plymouth, Mass and Richard Church of Hartford, Mass whose English origins are unknown.
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