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Does anyone have connections to CHURCH family of Cape May County, NJ in
the 1850s time frame? Looking for Abigail P CHURCH and her father,
possibly Jeramiah.
Thank you!
(Posted to Church-l and njcapema-l)
Hi Folks,
Haven't posted my surnames in months.
They include: BLAIR-DONAGHY-QUEENE-CHURCH-WHITTEN
Locations include Saline, Seward, Lancaster, Clay counties, NE as well
as Quebec Province, CAN and Los Angeles, CA.
Please refer to the Ancestral Charts at my website for complete information:
<A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/4200/">Catherine's
Connections</A> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/4200
Thanks,
Catherine Johnson
1 - Thomas Hugh BLAIR
b. 12 Nov, 1826 - Canada or Ireland
em. 1 July, 1871 - from Quebec, Canada
nat. 19 July, 1878 - Milford, Seward, NE
d. 4 May, 1890 - Milford, Seward, NE
Sp - Mary DONAGHY
b. 21 Oct 1829 - Quebec, Canada
m. 11 July, 1854 - Christieville Anglican Church, Christieville,
Co. Rouville, District Montreal, Quebec, Canada
d. 7 Feb, 1869 - St. Johns, Co. St. Johns, Iberville District, Quebec, Canada
2-1 - Jane Elizabeth BLAIR QUEENE
b. 5 Apr, 1855 - Christieville, Co. Rouville, District of Montreal, Quebec,
Canada
em. 1 July, 1871 - Milford, Seward, NE
nat. 19 July, 1878 - Milford, Seward, NE
appears 1885 Milford, Seward, NE census as "Jennie Queene"-wdw-father's hm
appears 1900 Lincoln, Lancaster, NE census
appears 1920 Lincoln, Lancaster, NE census
d. abt 1935 - Lincoln, Lancaster, NE
2-2 - Annie Mary BLAIR
b. 13 Oct, 1856 - St. Johns, Co. St. Johns, Quebec, Canada
em. 1 July, 1871 - Milford, Seward, NE
nat. 19 July, 1878 - Milford, Seward, NE
m. 30 Mar, 1875 - Crete, Saline, NE
d. 16 Apr, 1943 - Los Angeles, Los Angeles, CA
Sp - Samuel James WHITTEN
b. 12 May, 1846 - St. Johns, St. Johns, Quebec, Canada
d. 22 June, 1903 - Edgar, Clay, Nebraska
2-3 - Thomas Hugh BLAIR Jr.
b. 7 Feb, 1859 - St. Johns, Co. St. Johns, Quebec, Canada
em. 1 July, 1871 - Milford, Seward, NE
nat. 19 July, 1878 - Milford, Seward, NE
executor of his father's estate - Milford, Seward, NE 1890
d. unknown
2-4 - Maria Elizabeth BLAIR
b. 21 Feb, 1862 - St. Johns, Co. St. Johns, Quebec, Canada
em. 1 July, 1871 - Milford, Seward, NE
nat. 19 July, 1878 - Milford, Seward, NE
d. 2 Sept, 1879 - Milford, Seward, NE
buried Blue Mound Cemetery, Milford, Seward NE
2-5 - Sarah Louisa BLAIR
b. 2 Dec, 1864 - St. Johns, Co. St. Johns, Quebec, Canada
em. 1 July, 1871 - Milford, Seward, NE
nat. 19 July, 1878 - Milford, Seward, NE
m. 20 Nov, 1882 - Milford, Seward, NE
d. unknown
Sp - Jaspar Nuten CHURCH
b. 1860 - Wisconsin
appears 1885 Milford, Seward, NE census - farmer
appears 1890 Farmer's Gazeteer - Grover, Seward, NE
d. unknown
2-6 - Martha Eleanor "Nellie" BLAIR
b. 18 Sep, 1867 - St. Johns, Co. St. Johns, Quebec, Canada
em. 1 July, 1871 - Milford, Seward, NE
nat. 19 July, 1878 - Milford, Seward, NE
m. 29 May, 1884 - Seward County, NE
d. unknown
Sp - Nelson CHURCH
b. Sep, 1861 - Wisconsin
appears 1890 Farmer's Gazeteer - Pleasant Dale, Seward, NE
appears 1900 Lincoln, Lancaster, NE Census
d. unknown
3-1 - Emory E. CHURCH
b. 16 Dec, 1883 - Pleasant Dale, Seward or Lincoln, Lancaster, NE
Served World War I
appears Lincoln, Lancaster, NE 1920 Census
d. Jun, 1970 - Hesperia or Green Valley Lake, CA
Sp - Laura B. ------ CHURCH
b. Dec, 1884 - Nebraska
d. unknown
4-1 - Opal CHURCH
b. 3 Apr, 1912 - Lincoln, Lancaster, NE
d. 22 Jun, 1990 - Nebraska
3-2 - Luella CHURCH
b. Mar, 1887 - Pleasant Dale, Seward or Lincoln, Lancaster, NE
d. unknown
Hi, I had noticed your names before - and wondered about that. I am no
help to you, I do not know where he was born - believe he died in UT.
Mar'd in Hancock Co, OH, named first son Samuel and if he was following the
naming pattern of that time, his father should be Samuel. Everyone came
from somewhere else to OH - East somewhere, and mostly Northeast.
Will keep your name and address on file - thanks for your responce.
Marlene
At 03:56 PM 26/09/99 -0700, you wrote:
>This gets interesting:
>
>I have an Unknown (Henry?) Church, b abt 1795, NY or VT
> Dies or departs before 1850
> He married:
>
> Freedom (female) W. ?, b abt 1799, NY or VT
> m2 - John HAINS, Summit Co., OH 1850 - no issue
>
>? and Freedom W. CHURCH had:
>
>Orion CHURCH, b abt 1823, NY - d aft 1875, OH
> m1 - Harriet Jane Torry; b abt 1830, NY
> 1846, Lake County, Ohio
> Children: Josephine, Return, Annabell
>
> m2 - Kate Wadsworth
> 1875, Summit Co., OH
>
>Philo V. CHURCH, b abt 1825, NY - disappears before 1860
> m1 - Sarah Ann Linsted, b 1827, MA
> Children: Frances Estelle, b 1850, Summit Co., OH
>
>We now have a case of FREEDOM being used both as a Male and
>Female given name.
>
>Freedom Henry CHURCH is of a right age, birth place and 1850
>proximity to be a brother of Orion and Philo.
>
>Any suggestions? Any help appreciated.
>
>--
>Loren {:-)> HOKC
> *))))) TSG, USAF, Retired
>God gives us relatives, but allows us to choose friends.
> He has blessed me with those who are both.
>>From Iola, in the rolling hills of SE Kansas
>
>
This gets interesting:
I have an Unknown (Henry?) Church, b abt 1795, NY or VT
Dies or departs before 1850
He married:
Freedom (female) W. ?, b abt 1799, NY or VT
m2 - John HAINS, Summit Co., OH 1850 - no issue
? and Freedom W. CHURCH had:
Orion CHURCH, b abt 1823, NY - d aft 1875, OH
m1 - Harriet Jane Torry; b abt 1830, NY
1846, Lake County, Ohio
Children: Josephine, Return, Annabell
m2 - Kate Wadsworth
1875, Summit Co., OH
Philo V. CHURCH, b abt 1825, NY - disappears before 1860
m1 - Sarah Ann Linsted, b 1827, MA
Children: Frances Estelle, b 1850, Summit Co., OH
We now have a case of FREEDOM being used both as a Male and
Female given name.
Freedom Henry CHURCH is of a right age, birth place and 1850
proximity to be a brother of Orion and Philo.
Any suggestions? Any help appreciated.
--
Loren {:-)> HOKC
*))))) TSG, USAF, Retired
God gives us relatives, but allows us to choose friends.
He has blessed me with those who are both.
>From Iola, in the rolling hills of SE Kansas
Hi again, you see I made a mistake - should be 1865.
Rover42256(a)aol.com wrote:
> I'm from Hancock County Ohio (which has not much to do with anything). But
> there were some Churches in Allen County, which is just south of there, I
> THINK descendants of Nathaniel Church and Rachel McCranney, perhaps through
> Reuben. I will look this up when I am not so busy.
>
> How did Freedom marry someone in 1849 who died in 1965? Or am I not reading
> this right?
>
> Debbie
>
> << Freedom was born about 1820- I do not know where, he mar'd in Ohio, but
> show
> Hancock, Co OH, 16 Oct 1849. He mar'd Mary Porterfield. She died about 1965
> and
> he left the small child and 13 year old son with her family in Omaha and he
> went
> to Virginia City, and Cornith UT where he mar'd aMorman lady and had several
> more
> children - nothing further is known of him or them. Can't get to first base
> with
> SLC, they seem to have dropped of the face of the earth!
> Thanks for any help. >>
Sorry about that, I always include dates.....just got back from a 2 week
vacation, I drove over 3200 miles - Ed is almost blind. I checked my e-mails,
was so tired I should have been in bed. I took two naps yesterday.
Freedom was born about 1820- I do not know where, he mar'd in Ohio, but show
Hancock, Co OH, 16 Oct 1849. He mar'd Mary Porterfield. She died about 1965 and
he left the small child and 13 year old son with her family in Omaha and he went
to Virginia City, and Cornith UT where he mar'd aMorman lady and had several more
children - nothing further is known of him or them. Can't get to first base with
SLC, they seem to have dropped of the face of the earth!
Thanks for any help.
Willing to share any records. Marlene
Rover42256(a)aol.com wrote:
> Need dates.
> Debbie
> << Hi, in all your searching, have you ever run across Freedom Henry Church??
> Do
> not know where he was born, but supposed to have died in UT....he mar'd a
> Morman
> lady and you would think they would have something on him. NO luck there.
> If
> he followed the naming pattern then, he named his first son Samuel - after
> HIS
> father? Willing to exchange info, Marlene (Oregon)
> >>
I'm from Hancock County Ohio (which has not much to do with anything). But
there were some Churches in Allen County, which is just south of there, I
THINK descendants of Nathaniel Church and Rachel McCranney, perhaps through
Reuben. I will look this up when I am not so busy.
How did Freedom marry someone in 1849 who died in 1965? Or am I not reading
this right?
Debbie
<< Freedom was born about 1820- I do not know where, he mar'd in Ohio, but
show
Hancock, Co OH, 16 Oct 1849. He mar'd Mary Porterfield. She died about 1965
and
he left the small child and 13 year old son with her family in Omaha and he
went
to Virginia City, and Cornith UT where he mar'd aMorman lady and had several
more
children - nothing further is known of him or them. Can't get to first base
with
SLC, they seem to have dropped of the face of the earth!
Thanks for any help. >>
Hi, in all your searching, have you ever run across Freedom Henry Church?? Do
not know where he was born, but supposed to have died in UT....he mar'd a Morman
lady and you would think they would have something on him. NO luck there. If
he followed the naming pattern then, he named his first son Samuel - after HIS
father? Willing to exchange info, Marlene (Oregon)
steeples(a)home.com wrote:
> I got this off of a webpage that no longer has a working email address so I
> am posting this to the list. Can someone tell me who this McDougall is? I
> don't ever remember hearing the name before and if he was Right Honourable
> would he not have been a Prime Minister at one time? I see where he was a
> Lieutenant Governor, but that would not make him Right Honourable. Most of
> all can someone trace how this man is descended back to the Church families?
>
> >From Work in Progress by John H. M. Young and June M. Ross.
> >McDougall referred to is founding father of Canada, the Right Honourable
> William McDougall, C.B. Father of Confederation,
> >Governor of Manitoba and the Northwest Territories.
> >
> >When the American Revolution began in 1775, some of these CHURCH and
> BUSH families remained loyalists to the British
> >monarch, but others sided with the American patriots. The conservative
> ones decided to flee to Canada. On the 23rd of April,
> >1778, the American Court of Confiscation ordered the following estates to
> be seized: Brattleboro, Vermont Malachi Church
> >Oliver Church. Westminster, Vermont Crean Bush. Mohawk District, Tryon
> County, N.Y. Warren Bush. note5 The
> >genealogical listings of the Daughters of the American Revolution detail
> the direct link of Malachi Church to his and
> >McDougalls antecedent grandfather Samuel Church(2) and grand-grandfather
> Richard Church(C1) one of the founders of
> >Hartford, Connecticut.
> >
>
> >List of Estates Ordered Confiscated by the Court of Confiscation, 23
> April, 1778, Sir John Johnson Centennial Branch,
> >Progressive Publications, Stanbridge East, Quebec, 1984, p. 207.
> >
> >Loyalist CHURCH family enclaves were established in the Eastern
> Townships on the south side of the St. Lawrence River
> >and in the Seigneury of Argenteuil on the north side of the Ottawa River.
> One community, in the almost exclusively English
> >townships, was named Churchville, Lower Canada, named after loyalist, John
> Church, who had fled the Province of New
> >York. Later the name was changed to Sweetsburg. He built and operated the
> Old Church Tavern which had accommodation
> >for travellers. One personage of note was Lord Aylmer, Governor of Lower
> Canada. The second story of the brick
> >establishment was used as a dance and concert hall. John and John Church,
> Junior ran a store, an ashery, blacksmith shop and
> >a whiskey distillery, as Church and Son.note6 Other members of these
> CHURCH families spread throughout the district,
> >especially to the west into Upper Canada, when it became a separate
> British province.
> >
> >!!!
> >note6
> >Loyalists of the Eastern Townships of Quebec. Sir John Johnson Centennial
> Branch, Progressive Publications, Stanbridge East,
> >Quebec, 1984, p. 123.
> >
> >Meanwhile, their distant American CHURCH family member, McDougalls
> great grandfather, Samuel Church(C3) Junior,
> >was one of the senior members of the district settlers who was
> instrumental in incorporating Milton as a town. The official date
> >of the organization was March 25th, 1788.
> Regards
> Jim Church
> ListOwner
> Rose-S(a)Genweb.net
> Church-S(a)Genweb.net
> Helferich-S(a)Genweb.net
Need dates.
Debbie
<< Hi, in all your searching, have you ever run across Freedom Henry Church??
Do
not know where he was born, but supposed to have died in UT....he mar'd a
Morman
lady and you would think they would have something on him. NO luck there.
If
he followed the naming pattern then, he named his first son Samuel - after
HIS
father? Willing to exchange info, Marlene (Oregon)
>>
>From Work in Progress by John H. M. Young and June M. Ross.
>McDougall referred to is founding father of Canada, the Right Honourable
William McDougall, C.B. Father of Confederation,
>Governor of Manitoba and the Northwest Territories.
Somebody asked me to post the site that claimed William McDougall was a
descendent of the Church family and I finally found it unfortunatly Johns
email is bouncing back to me.
http://genforum.familytreemaker.com/church/messages/712.html
Regards
Jim Church
ListOwner
Rose-S(a)Genweb.net
Church-S(a)Genweb.net
Helferich-S(a)Genweb.net
I had this sent to me by Emily here it is the obituary for Martha M Church
formerly Martha Mae Newcomb for searching the Loyalist Newcombs of Eastern
Canada. She is a descendent of the Loyalist Newcombs.
>Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:45:28 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Emily Gibson <engibson(a)rocketmail.com>
>Subject: Church obit
>To: steeples(a)home.com
>
>Hi. Found this when I was fooling around at the site I'm listing
>below. Don't know if she belongs to you, but I'm on the lookout for
>any Churches in the area. Looks like someone is copying obits to the
>website below (if you can't access it, chop it off to the huron, then
>you can see all of the obits they have for Huron Co.). This one looks
>like it's from about 1956. Maybe you'll be lucky and these are your
>Churches with new leads!
>
>Bad Axe - Funeral services will be conducted today (Thurs) for Mrs
>martha M Church, 92, who died Tues just a few days before her 75th
>wedding anniversary. Mrs Church was 92 years old. She died in the home
>of her son, William S Church, in Pontiac. Mr & Mrs Jerry Church were
>married March 9, 1882, in Meade twp and spent all their married life
>in Huron County until 1954 when they moved to Pontiac. The lived 20
>years in Meade twp and 52 years in Bad Axe. Mr Church was a farmer,
>well driller and power plant engineer before he retired many years
>ago. Mrs Church was born April 18, 1864 in Marine City. She came to
>Huron county as a young girl. Surivivng are her husband, 3 sons,
>William S. and M.
>DeVoist Church, both of Pontiac, and James R Church, Bad Axe; a
>daughter, Mrs Grace Stephenson, Hemet CA; 12 grandchildren, 18 great
>grandchildren and 4 great great grandchildren. Funeral services will
>be conducted at 2 p.m. Thurs in Alden A macAlpine funeral home. Burial
>will be in Colfax Cemetery.
>
>ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/mi/huron/multiple/obituary/h65003.txt
>
>Emily
>in humid and hot AZ
>
>
>
>
>
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
Regards
Jim Church
ListOwner
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Helferich-S(a)Genweb.net
Sorry about the previous posting I forgot the subject line.
Regards
Jim Church
ListOwner
Rose-S(a)Genweb.net
Church-S(a)Genweb.net
Helferich-S(a)Genweb.net
I got this off of a webpage that no longer has a working email address so I
am posting this to the list. Can someone tell me who this McDougall is? I
don't ever remember hearing the name before and if he was Right Honourable
would he not have been a Prime Minister at one time? I see where he was a
Lieutenant Governor, but that would not make him Right Honourable. Most of
all can someone trace how this man is descended back to the Church families?
>From Work in Progress by John H. M. Young and June M. Ross.
>McDougall referred to is founding father of Canada, the Right Honourable
William McDougall, C.B. Father of Confederation,
>Governor of Manitoba and the Northwest Territories.
>
>When the American Revolution began in 1775, some of these �CHURCH� and
�BUSH� families remained loyalists to the British
>monarch, but others sided with the American patriots. The conservative
ones decided to flee to Canada. On the 23rd of April,
>1778, the American Court of Confiscation ordered the following estates to
be seized: �Brattleboro, Vermont Malachi Church
>Oliver Church.� �Westminster, Vermont Crean Bush.� �Mohawk District, Tryon
County, N.Y. Warren Bush�. note5 The
>genealogical listings of the Daughters of the American Revolution detail
the direct link of Malachi Church to his and
>McDougall�s antecedent grandfather Samuel Church(2) and grand-grandfather
Richard Church(C1) one of the founders of
>Hartford, Connecticut.
>
>List of Estates Ordered Confiscated by the Court of Confiscation, 23
April, 1778, Sir John Johnson Centennial Branch,
>Progressive Publications, Stanbridge East, Quebec, 1984, p. 207.
>
>Loyalist �CHURCH� family enclaves were established in the Eastern
Townships on the south side of the St. Lawrence River
>and in the Seigneury of Argenteuil on the north side of the Ottawa River.
One community, in the almost exclusively English
>townships, was named Churchville, Lower Canada, named after loyalist, John
Church, who had fled the Province of New
>York. Later the name was changed to Sweetsburg. He built and operated the
�Old Church Tavern� which had accommodation
>for travellers. One personage of note was Lord Aylmer, Governor of Lower
Canada. The second story of the brick
>establishment was used as a dance and concert hall. John and John Church,
Junior ran �a store, an ashery, blacksmith shop and
>a whiskey distillery�, as Church and Son.note6 Other members of these
�CHURCH� families spread throughout the district,
>especially to the west into Upper Canada, when it became a separate
British province.
>
>!!!
>note6
>Loyalists of the Eastern Townships of Quebec. Sir John Johnson Centennial
Branch, Progressive Publications, Stanbridge East,
>Quebec, 1984, p. 123.
>
>Meanwhile, their distant American �CHURCH� family member, McDougall�s
great grandfather, Samuel Church(C3) Junior,
>was one of the senior members of the district settlers who was
instrumental in incorporating Milton as a town. The official date
>of the organization was March 25th, 1788.
Regards
Jim Church
ListOwner
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Debbie,
Why the Hoggs changed their names? I don't know why but I can tell you there were a lot of Hoggs (and they weren't only men) who changed their names around that period of time. But only John, Alexander and Samuel changed theirs to Church. As I read it, In Gothic Hogg means Gallient Warrior but in America it is the "odious hog." There is a poem "Hogg by name, Hogg by nature, Had his name changed by the Legislature." Here is a list of Hogg name changes compiled by Robert L. Haterman, Assistant Editor of State Papers, State of Vermont (No date)
In 1801 p.106 of Laws of Vermont William changed his name to William Hall
1804 Chapter 31 David " David Hall
1807 Chapter 11 Caleb " Caleb Hall
1808 Chapter 6 John " John Hall
Robert " Robert Hall
Samuel " Samuel Hall
Thomas " Thomas Hall
1809 Chapter XIX Alexander " Alexander Church
John " John Church
Samuel " Samuel Church
1811 Chapter XI Hamilton " Hamilton Hall
1821 Chapter 109 Hews " Hews Dana
Samuel " Samuel Dana
William " William Dana
1849 No. 98 James " James Wilber
1855 No. 145 Charles C. " Charles C. Armington
Diantha C. " Diantha C. Armington
Ellen A " Ellen A. Armington
George F. " George F. Armington
Sylvia A. " Sylvia A. Armington
Sylvester O. " Sylvester O. Armington
See also Vermont History News, Jan-Feb. 1979, p. 10 and Mar-Apr 1979, p. 30
As for Samuel--he did not have his name changed but his father, Alexander, did.
Mona
John Church, b. 2-25-1760 in Dunbarton, NH, m. Elizabeth (Betty) Quimby 11-20-1783 in Weare, NH
Children:
1) Esther, b. 3-4-1784 in Deering, NH
2) Moses, b. 3-7-1785 in Deering, NH
3) Alexander, b. 9-23-1786 in Deering NH, m. Rhoda Carr 7-23-1812 in Corinth, NY
4) John, Jr, b. 9-11-1788 in Deering, NH
5) Betsey, b. 12--3-1789 in Deering, NH
6) Enoch, b. 7-24-1791 in Lempster, NH, m. Lydia Humphrey #1 and Joanna Spear #2
7) Jonathon, b. 9-27-1793 in Lempster, NH, m. Salina Hoskins 9-28-1820
8) Betty, b. 12-27-1796 in Lempster, NH, m. Levi Baldwin 4-24-1823
Note: Again, this is the way these children are listed on my records, but they could be turned around. At least it will give you something to check against when you are stumped. Other places of residence: Hillsborough County, NH; Chester County, NH; Orange, VT; Hancock, NH; Strafford County, NH. Betsey and Betty looks kind of odd to be siblings. Huh?
Happy Hunting!! Mona
Alexander Church, b. 1758 in Deering, NH, m. Patience Quimby 11-3-1785 in Weare, NH, d. 2-3-1849 in Chateaugay, NY
Children:
1) Mary, b. 5-23-1786 in Deering, NH
2) Abigail, b. 9-15-1787 in Deering, NH
3) Ebenezer, b. 2--3-1803 in Orange County, VT, m. Cardline Claflin in 1856 (2nd wife) in IL,, d. 1883, buried in Graceland Cemetary, Webster City, Hamilton IA
4) Nathan, b. 1806
5) Esther, b. 1807
6 & 7) Ira and Joseph (twins), b. 1808 in Orange County, VT; Joseph m. Mary Marie Beede, 12-26-1828 in Orange County, VT, d. 4-14-1897 in South Bend, WA. Know nothing about Ira.
8) Jacob, b. 2-8-1813 In Chateaugay, NY
9) William, b. 1814
10) Alexander
11) Aleulent (the Rev. War Pension Files show her name Aldulah)
12) Sally
13) Phebe, m. Fairman
14) Samuel
Note: There is quite an age difference between Abigail and Ebenezer and I can't tell you the reason. These children were listed like this, but feel they are not in the right order. The Rev. War Pension Files show that in 1820 there were only 3 children at home--Patience, age 13, and Ira and Joseph, age 11 and the files show that soldier and wife had 17 children?? If this Samuel
was born in 1799, he could quite possibly be my g-g-g-grandfather, Samuel Church, father of Daniel Pike, who lived in Chateaugay, NY. I haven't proved it yet but hoped one of your listers might know.(?)
Mona
At 04:27 PM 9/15/1999 -0700, you wrote:
>Gosh--between Debbie, Jim and Mona, I am definitely expanding my horizons.
>I have always thought that my Samuel must have come from the Caleb
>Church-Sarah Barnard line, since the Hookers and the Barnards were
>intermarried, and the Churches and the Hookers were neighbors in West
>Hartford. But the more I get into the possibilities, the weirder they get.
Hey!, nobody ever called us Church's wierd! Nobody said we were sane, but I
don't think we are wierd. This coming from a Church!<LOL> But then that is
the other Church family and I can't really speak for them!
Regards
Jim Church
ListOwner
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Gosh--between Debbie, Jim and Mona, I am definitely expanding my horizons.
I have always thought that my Samuel must have come from the Caleb
Church-Sarah Barnard line, since the Hookers and the Barnards were
intermarried, and the Churches and the Hookers were neighbors in West
Hartford. But the more I get into the possibilities, the weirder they get.
I was just commenting to Debbie last night that I had discovered that
Fannie's third son, Samuel Church Hooker, had actually changed his given
name, as an adult, from Samuel to Frank. What's that about?!? He signed
his marriage certificate as "Frank C.," and his wife's family knows him
only as Frank. They had the darndest time finding him until I went looking
for his wife, and that's how we connected up. The move must not have been
frowned upon in the family, as his older brother named his son Frank, and
that child turned out okay--he was a state superior court judge in
Michigan. So name-changing seems not an unfamiliar activity to this group,
and there's no reason either Fannie or her ancestors might not have done
the same.
Mona's conjecture is reasonable, though, since Fannie's family history is
conspicuous in Hooker family annals by its absence. They all loved to
boast about their blue blood and pedigrees, yet Fannie's family is not
listed among them.
Thanks for the new idea!
Maureen
P.S. Yup--Hooker turned out not to be a great name for a young woman to
inherit, either. Two of my nieces actually changed their surname, as it
was just too uncomfortable for them. Fortunately, in our line, we have
"daughtered-out," so we will produce no more Hookers (by name or otherwise,
one hopes!).
>______________________________X-Message: #1
>Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 12:58:25 -0600
>From: "Mona Mederos" <joropa(a)netzero.net>
>
>I am a "newbie" and monitoring listings carefully for the last month and
am wondering. Are none of you related to the Hogg family? Three
brothers, Samuel b. 1757, Alexander b. 1758, and John Hogg, b. 1760, had
their names changed to CHURCH by the Vermont Legislature on October 27,
1809, citing "in most cases any reputable female is unwilling to change her
name to that of Hogg."
>
>My g-g-grandfather was Daniel Pike Church. He m. Abigail Fisher June 19,
1844 in Chateaugay, NY (Franklin County). We recently found that his
father, Samuel Church, resided in Chateaugay. We know that our Samuel is
related to the Hoggs.
>
>My gut feeling is that the Samuel Church of Bennington, NY may also be a
part of this group, but could not tie him in to my family. ( Maureen
Girard listing)
>
>If any of your family is from NH, VT or NY, you might want to look into
this. I have quite a lot of info on this family, so if I can help just let
me know. Have some names I could throw in the pot.
>
>Mona
>
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>O have heard of this Legislation and never knew what it was for thanks
>alot. Do you happen to have my Oliver Church born abt. 1773 in Vt.? I know
>a lot of the Church's in NY seemed to be related to Richard and Ann but I
>can't make a connection between them and my Oliver. Oliver married Margaret
>Pangborn and may have come up from Vt. to NY and then into Upper Canada
>where they lived until the end of the war and them some of them moved down
>to Michigan and then headed west.
>
>
>A quick scan did not come up with Oliver Church but I really didn't expect
>it because he was born 20 years before the Hoggs changed their names. In a
>few days I will list the families of the men who petitioned the Legislature
>for their name change. Mona
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