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In England the oldest son inheired everything. Cheshire is the seat of
Cholmondeley Castle. It is near Malpas. The older castle was torn down and a
new one was built in 1826. There were other places and other Chumley
families. An unclaimed account was for a Matthew Chumley in the Bank of
England, but it reverted to the Crown after a certain number of years passed
and know one claimed it. It was a very small amount. I wrote to the Bank of
England and asked about this many years ago.
There are many stories such as the one you heard. The story in my husbands
Chumley family goes like this. A groom was struck with a riding crop and the
Chumleys thought the son had killed him. So the family put the son on a boat
to the Colonies. I was told that the family was called the Cheshire Cats.
That is why I started looking in Cheshire England. I don't know if this is
the family all of the American Chumleys come from. I have been told that a
Mary Cholmondeley wrote several books based on this family. They are
supposed to be in the Library of Congress, in D. C. I think one book is
called" The Danver Papers". I could be wrong.
Everytime we go to England and tell people our name they are impressed.
Seems His Lordship is well known and liked. There is a gift shop on the
grounds of the castle and we bought a post card with the picture of His
Lordship. He was very nice looking.
Shelia
Galati 4 wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Boswell <rogerboswell45(a)btinternet.com>
> To: CHUMBLEY newgroup <CHUMBLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Date: Sunday, June 24, 2001 11:24 AM
> Subject: {not a subscriber} Chumley's
>
> >Hi
> >
> >I am very pleased to find some others that are researching the Chumleys
> >
> >my interest started about four years ago when I decided to trace my
> >ancestors not knowing if there was anything interesting in the family
> line
> >
> > it was just a whim to discover where the family had originated from
> >
> >but to my horror I was unable to track down my grand-fathers marriage
> or
> >birth place
> >
> >I became quite intrigued and frustrated so with the help of my mom I
> began
> >telephoning my cousins
> >
> >luckily my mom was still alive at the time and she had recently been in
> >touch by letter and she had a few numbers to try
> >
> > the first one was a cousin John who I don't think I have ever met in
> my
> >life although my mom seemed to know him well
> >
> >he lived several miles away and this is probably why we had never
> bumped
> >into one another
> >
> >we had a chat about the family and how I had never known my
> grand-father
> >
> >while on the phone my cousin John told me a story his father George
> told him
> >which was
> >
> > "a long time ago in Cheshire there was a rich land owner
> >
> > and his eldest son fell in love with a gypsy girl
> >
> > the father forbid the relationship and told his son that if he married
> the
> >girl he would loose his inheritance
> >
> > the son ignored the fathers request and run off and married the girl
> >
> >the son and the gypsy had a son and that the family line came from him
> >
> >and some years later the father (rich land owner) died and his son's
> family
> >tried to get a copy of the grand-father's Will to make a claim on the
> estate
> >
> > but the authorities wanted seven shilling and six pence to pay for an
> hand
> >written copy
> >
> > and in 1826 this was a lot of money
> >
> > the family failed to raise the money"
> >
> > some time later I made contact with another cousin (Brenda
> Micklewright)
> >whose mother (Mary Micklewright nee Boswell) had taken in my
> grand-father
> >Joseph Boswell after my granny (Mary Boswell nee Capewell) had died
> >
> >and my cousin Brenda showed me a letter found after grand-dad Boswell
> had
> >died
> >
> > the letter was written by the registrar of Chester addressed to Mrs
> Joseph
> >Boswell and said
> >
> > "Have received the sum of seven pounds and ten shilling for the copy
> of the
> >Will and four codicils. Are you sure the Will you require is that of
> the
> >late George James Marquis of Cholmondeley who died 26th June 1826"
> >
> > the letter was dated 1922
> >
> >cousin Brenda told me there was no trace of a Will
> >
> > I believe the story John told me as been dramatised and exaggerated
> down
> >through the generations
> >
> >and I suspect that it is more likely that we are descendants of an
> >illegitimate child of a maid and the Marquis
> >
> > last year I paid a visit to Chester Records Office to take a look at
> the
> >Will, codicils and attachments of George James Marquis of
> > Cholmondeley to see if I could find out who if anybody in the Will
> could
> >possibly be linked to the Marquis and this line of my family
> >
> >I drew a blank
> >
> >the Will was quite extraordinary though
> >
> >in neat small hand writing consisted of two pages with writing on both
> sides
> >making four pages in all then bound together with a cover and measured
> about
> >two feet wide and three feet deep
> >
> > but when opened to the second page it then measured about a remarkable
> four
> >feet wide by three feet deep
> >
> > no wonder they told me on the phone that they were unable to photocopy
> it
> >
> > I did wonder if gran had managed to make a claim until I read the Will
> >which gave only six months for anyone to make a claim on the Marquis's
> >estate
> >
> >now I know some of the family line back close to the time when the
> Marquis
> >was alive but I am unable to make a direct link to the Marquis
> >
> >for although I know for sure that my grand-mother Mary Capewell's
> father was
> >William Henry Capewell who married Mary Elizabeth Leech and
> > her father was John Leech who married Eliza Chamley and her father was
> >N.Chamley and this is the one I think could be the marquis's son
> >
> >I have no way of proving it and I wondered if there was anyone out
> there
> >with a similar story or with information on the existences of lists of
> >household working servants that lived in one of the Marquis's houses
> >
> >I would be most grateful if any of your members could make any
> suggestions
> >as to which way I should go to try to resolve the unanswered questions
> >
> >best wishes
> >
> >Rog
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
I just visited the San Augustine Co, TX gravesite of John Chumley (1775 VA -
1829 TX) & his 2nd wife, Delilah Russell (1789 NC - 1854 TX). They are
buried on the property he was granted by the Republic of TX in 1845. I have
photos of the gravesite, his original land grant, now in the posession of
another descendant who now lives there, and a 1958 newspaper article showing
dguerroetypes of them prior to her 1854 death & will share with all. I've
also found militia records on about 3 of their sons. Will soon be getting
John's probate records. E-mail me for this & other family info.
John
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Boswell <rogerboswell45(a)btinternet.com>
To: CHUMBLEY newgroup <CHUMBLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Sunday, June 24, 2001 11:24 AM
Subject: {not a subscriber} Chumley's
>Hi
>
>I am very pleased to find some others that are researching the Chumleys
>
>my interest started about four years ago when I decided to trace my
>ancestors not knowing if there was anything interesting in the family
line
>
> it was just a whim to discover where the family had originated from
>
>but to my horror I was unable to track down my grand-fathers marriage
or
>birth place
>
>I became quite intrigued and frustrated so with the help of my mom I
began
>telephoning my cousins
>
>luckily my mom was still alive at the time and she had recently been in
>touch by letter and she had a few numbers to try
>
> the first one was a cousin John who I don't think I have ever met in
my
>life although my mom seemed to know him well
>
>he lived several miles away and this is probably why we had never
bumped
>into one another
>
>we had a chat about the family and how I had never known my
grand-father
>
>while on the phone my cousin John told me a story his father George
told him
>which was
>
> "a long time ago in Cheshire there was a rich land owner
>
> and his eldest son fell in love with a gypsy girl
>
> the father forbid the relationship and told his son that if he married
the
>girl he would loose his inheritance
>
> the son ignored the fathers request and run off and married the girl
>
>the son and the gypsy had a son and that the family line came from him
>
>and some years later the father (rich land owner) died and his son's
family
>tried to get a copy of the grand-father's Will to make a claim on the
estate
>
> but the authorities wanted seven shilling and six pence to pay for an
hand
>written copy
>
> and in 1826 this was a lot of money
>
> the family failed to raise the money"
>
> some time later I made contact with another cousin (Brenda
Micklewright)
>whose mother (Mary Micklewright nee Boswell) had taken in my
grand-father
>Joseph Boswell after my granny (Mary Boswell nee Capewell) had died
>
>and my cousin Brenda showed me a letter found after grand-dad Boswell
had
>died
>
> the letter was written by the registrar of Chester addressed to Mrs
Joseph
>Boswell and said
>
> "Have received the sum of seven pounds and ten shilling for the copy
of the
>Will and four codicils. Are you sure the Will you require is that of
the
>late George James Marquis of Cholmondeley who died 26th June 1826"
>
> the letter was dated 1922
>
>cousin Brenda told me there was no trace of a Will
>
> I believe the story John told me as been dramatised and exaggerated
down
>through the generations
>
>and I suspect that it is more likely that we are descendants of an
>illegitimate child of a maid and the Marquis
>
> last year I paid a visit to Chester Records Office to take a look at
the
>Will, codicils and attachments of George James Marquis of
> Cholmondeley to see if I could find out who if anybody in the Will
could
>possibly be linked to the Marquis and this line of my family
>
>I drew a blank
>
>the Will was quite extraordinary though
>
>in neat small hand writing consisted of two pages with writing on both
sides
>making four pages in all then bound together with a cover and measured
about
>two feet wide and three feet deep
>
> but when opened to the second page it then measured about a remarkable
four
>feet wide by three feet deep
>
> no wonder they told me on the phone that they were unable to photocopy
it
>
> I did wonder if gran had managed to make a claim until I read the Will
>which gave only six months for anyone to make a claim on the Marquis's
>estate
>
>now I know some of the family line back close to the time when the
Marquis
>was alive but I am unable to make a direct link to the Marquis
>
>for although I know for sure that my grand-mother Mary Capewell's
father was
>William Henry Capewell who married Mary Elizabeth Leech and
> her father was John Leech who married Eliza Chamley and her father was
>N.Chamley and this is the one I think could be the marquis's son
>
>I have no way of proving it and I wondered if there was anyone out
there
>with a similar story or with information on the existences of lists of
>household working servants that lived in one of the Marquis's houses
>
>I would be most grateful if any of your members could make any
suggestions
>as to which way I should go to try to resolve the unanswered questions
>
>best wishes
>
>Rog
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Just a reminder, the Willis Chumney family
reunion is this Saturday, June 9th, at the
Recreation Lodge in the Natchez Trace State Park, located near
Lexington, Tn.
All relatives, near and far, are invited.