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Hi, All! This is a great Web Site!! I put in Sampson Goodman's info
and it came out great!! Did you know he was 21 when the Ship's
Propeller was invented? :)
Enjoy,
Cyndi
-----Original Message-----
From: Roulx(a)aol.com <Roulx(a)aol.com>
To: MOLAWREN-L(a)rootsweb.com <MOLAWREN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Monday, May 22, 2000 11:59 PM
Subject: [MOLAWREN-L] Fwd: [NEW-HAMPSHIRE-L] timeline website
>This was contributed to another list I subscribe to, and I thought it
was too
>good not to share. Hope you enjoy it as much as I did.
>
>Pat
>
>Resent-Sender: NEW-HAMPSHIRE-L-request(a)rootsweb.com
>
>Listers
>This is really cool! -type in your individual's name, birth and death
years,
>and you get a personalized time line, showing their age at the time of
each
>event. (from 1000 AD to the current year)
>http://www.ourtimelines.com/
>There is a "printable page" option, too. I printed a few to put with
their
>family pages as reference.
>Sue
>
Hi, All! Here is another strike out on the Hollyfield question!!
Cyndi
-----Original Message-----
From: Helen Mills <hmills(a)undata.com>
To: Galati 4 <galati4(a)rectec.net>
Date: Sunday, May 21, 2000 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: Polk County Lookup
>I AM SORRY BUT HAVE CHECKED MY BOOKS AND RECORDS, THERE IS NOT
hOLLYFIELD
>LISTED IN THE NEWSPAPERS SORRY WISH I COULD HAVE HELPED YOU. HELEN
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Galati 4 <galati4(a)rectec.net>
>To: hmills(a)undata.com <hmills(a)undata.com>
>Date: Saturday, May 20, 2000 9:57 PM
>Subject: Polk County Lookup
>
>
>>Helen,
>> Hi! Could you look up the name Hollyfield in Genealogical Data
from
>>southwest MO newspapers 1860-1870?
>> Thank You!!
>> Cyndi
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Here was the answer about the Goodspeed book.
Cyndi
-----Original Message-----
From: Doris Wilson <dorisw(a)ipa.net>
To: galati4(a)rectec.net <galati4(a)rectec.net>
Date: Saturday, May 20, 2000 11:39 PM
Subject: Hollyfield
>I didn't find any Hollyfield in the Goodspeed
>book. Happy searching!
>Doris
Sharon,
Hi! I have been in the same position of not doing research much
over the past year (almost), but I'm hoping that is about to change! I
will be leaving Thursday for Corpus Christie for Michael's ship's
dedication. When we get back I will have one week until the Family
Reunion I organized (actually I still have a lot of the organizing to
do!) We will have a busy June, but after that I am hoping to use the
time out of school to get caught up on some of my research. I am also
going to take trips back to Polk, Greene, and Lawrence County.
I am going to insert my answers into the body below:
-----Original Message-----
<snip>Don't know that I'll have much to contribute for a while<snip>
Don't worry about it all I want is input from everyone!
><SNIP>
>
>
>Does anyone on the list know if there is a Goodspeed's or any other
>publisher of a county history for Polk County? Hollyfield might appear
in
>the bios, especially if he is a prominent citizen of the county. The
county
>or public library also might have something about him. We might find
>something out about him (occupation) from the census if he is listed
as
>something other than a 'farmer.' Checking the surname lists on GenForum
or
>Rootsweb might bring us someone researching that name. Most likely he
was
>just someone who was paid for his services, kind of like bondsmen or
people
>who put up the surety for others as a living.
>
There is a Goodspeed for that area. I requested a lookup in the
Goodspeed book for him and one in Newspapers from that area 1860-1870.
Now that we know he was a blacksmith there is even more mystery!! I
think of blacksmiths as men who worked with their hands (someone who
shoed horses). Am I missing something here?
>
>>I thought that maybe "Welsh" was someone who had owned the land next
to
>John Lingar's patent and McClary
>> bought both and now needed clear title. We did find that McClary had
>bought lots of land from different people.
>
>>From all the rolls of microfilm that I have viewed regarding land
purchases
>and sales in Claiborne County, TN you are correct. McClary did but a
lot of
>land from a lot of people. Interestingly enough, I have not seen any
>reference to him in any books on the county as yet. One would think
that
>someone with that much land would be mentioned. Must not have seen the
right
>book yet.
>
It looked to me like he was buying up lots of Bounty land. I am
wondering if he was even that involved in Claiborne County. I thought
he might be from MO and was just buying up some of the Bounty lands from
people who were not going to make the trip any way. I thought maybe he
also bought some land from the other man who seems to have been from
Ohio. I don't know it is one of those mysteries that is more curiosity
than need to know because it probably points nowhere.
>
>> Have you ever had anything that points to Sampson being connected
to
>> the Stage Coach or wagon trains?
>
>I have absolutely no knowledge regarding this. What info have you found
that
>leads you to this question? In message #2 of your trip, you mention a
'stage
>coach book that listed a Charles Sampson as a stage coach driver? I'm
>curious. Who is he and why were you looking for him? What relationship
does
>he have to the Goodmans? Was Sampson Goodman named after someone whose
last
>name was Sampson? It certainly isn't unheard of. Family stories in my
>Goodman line say that my great-grandfather Edwin McMasters Goodman's
middle
>name was from someone named McMasters. Can't remember the story at the
>moment, but think that he was a doctor.
>
It was pretty common back then to name children after the mother's
maiden name. Joan and I found a Goodman and a Sampson line out of
Virginia that tie together. It is one of the ones we are checking out.
Some of the Sampson families from that line end up in and around
Claiborne County!! One of them is quite possibly the Charles Sampson
driving a stage through Claiborne County!! What we have been doing is
checking out some of the lines of Goodmans and their related families
that we are finding have connections to East TN. We figured the worst
that could happen is we would be able to eliminate some of them and we
might find a clue by following a the trails they traveled! At least it
gives us hope!
>
>>Do you think Sampson and Sarah had their own house or do you think
they
>lived only in the Lingar house?
>
>Good question, for which I really have no answer. Like everyone else on
the
>'List' who is a Goodman/Lingar descendant, the only reference I have to
>either of them being in the 'Lingar' house is in the 1830 Census for
>Claiborne County, TN (Natl Arch # M19 R180, pg 151) were it appears
that
>Sarah (sans Sampson), her first 2 children (Francis M. & Elizabeth),
are
>living with Mary Lingear and sons John/Jack and James Harve. Basing the
>information on the ages of the family at the time, we are just
speculating
>as to who was in the household. The neighbors on either side of this
house
>hold were Zophar Critchfield and William Jinkins (next to William
Jinkins
>was Henry Jinkins). The Critichfield's and Jinkins were neighbors at
least
>as early as 1813 as I found the following on FHL # 898,392 Tennessee,
>Claiborne Co., Probate Records, May Term 1813 pg 104:
>
>"Ordered that William Lea be appointed Overseer of the Powels Valley
road in
>room of John Linger and have the same hands and (?) of hands said
Linger had
>(Viz) Including the hands where Samuel Col--en lived then a direct
course So
>as to include Thos Jinkins then to the mouth of Gap creek, then up
Powels
>river So as to include mark & James Cadle & Rich Critchfields places,
then a
>course So as to include the places of Major Lea & Leonard Russell, then
>across So as to include the places of Wm Jinkins and James Campbell or
wher
>they lived."
>
I have wondered where Sampson was in that 1830 Census. The reason I am
so stuck on that is it could give us our clue as to where he came from.
I have wondered if he was with one of the Chumley families in Knox
County for that one. I have also thought about him being the one in
Tipton Co, TN, but in in the 1840 Census Index there is a listing for a
Sampson Goodman in Claiborne Co and one in Tipton Co. I still would
like to look at the listing in Tipton Co on the off chance that he was
counted twice. If he was working with wagon trains or as a Stage Coach
driver that would be possible. Has anyone ever figured out what the
Chumleys were doing in Knox County in 1830? The 1820 Census for Eastern
TN could probably have helped a lot if it was not missing!! It looks
like most of the Counties we would need were the ones missing! :(
>
>On the 1840 Census for Claiborne County, TN (Natl Arch # T5 R164, pg
229)
>Sampson Goodman (and I'm assuming the others in the household by their
ages
>are Sarah, and children Francis, John, James, Issac, William &
Elizabeth).
>Nathaniel is apparently deceased by the 1840 Census based on the age
groups,
>if I remember correctly. Perhaps someone on the 'List' can verify
this. On
>one side of Sampson is not very legible. It looks like John Guttering
or
>possibly Gullering. Above him, however, is John Jinkins Jr, and above
>Jinkins, Jr in ascending order is John Jinkins Sr, Johnathan Ferrel,
James
>Jinkins and then William Jinkins.
>
Who was Nathaniel. I have not heard of him until Joan recently
mentioned him. Where did his name come from?
>
>On the other side of Sampson & Sarah were the households of John Lingar
and
>then Brittain Chumney. I know that I have looked at microfilmed copies
of
>Deed Records for the 1830s & 1840 for Claiborne County and the only
thing
>that I found for Sampson & Sarah was when they deeded property (she
>inherited from her father, John Lingar)(FHL # 898,408 Tennessee,
Claiborne
>Co, Deeds, Vols R-S) over to James Harve in 1842. County records that
have
>been microfilmed appear to be very spotty, as are the WPA abstracts
that are
>on file at the State Archives (also have been filmed by the LDS). But
an
>educated guess would be that a sizable portion of the Lingar land was
sold
>to the Jinkins. Another educated guess is that Johnathan Ferrel and
John
>Guttering (or whatever) are the sons-in law of William Jinkins.
>
I don't think that the land was sold from the Lingars to the Jinkins. I
think it is more likely that the Jinkins divided up the father's land
and you are probably right about the other two being son-in-laws. We
looked at all of the Deed Books for the years that any of our ancestors
would have lived there and the Deed books were all there. I will send
the info as I go through it in a few weeks, but there was no big sell
off of land from the Lingars except for the division of it when John
died. I am not sure he had more than 203 acres. The land in that area
would have been hard to support a family, but Barbara Cline forwarded an
e-mail to me earlier that said a lot of the land in the areas that are
overgrown now were cleared back then and ran cattle. I also think it is
very possible that they counted each family as a separate group even
when they lived in the same house. Also, sometimes the children built a
house right next door.
>
>Send me the metes and bounds (the rock, tree, river, etc.) description
of
>the Lingar land and I will draw up how the land looked. I haven't done
this
>for a couple of years, but I think that I can still do it. The map that
you
>got in the Assayer's office..is that a modern map and can it be ordered
by
>mail? I'm assuming that there were no old 'plat maps' since you made no
>mention of it.
>
I will send it to you as soon as I have time to enter them. It may be a
few weeks. The map is a large rolled one with the landmarks, streets,
etc. on it. They don't do plat maps like we do here in the Western
states. It was the best we could get ahold of. I was hoping for the
old maps, but no such luck!
>
>Tis all for now and anxiously waiting to hear what all you found.
>
>Take care,
>
>Sharon
>
>
Keep the ideas coming!
Cyndi
PS-I looked up the County that you put John Lingar's land in. He sold
it to cheap! I graduated High School in Saline County which is just to
the South. The most fertile land in the area is up there where his land
was! It is VERY flat though which would have been a big change after
the TN mountains!
Cyndi,
I haven't done any research in the last year and a half due to my
involvement in the BIFHS-USA and I have even far less time now that I'm
president. It has so consumed my life that I have decided on serving 1 term
(two years), unfortunately that means I have 1½ years to go. By that time I
will have served 6 yrs on the board and that is enough!!! It has made it
impossible to do any research of any kind and that is really beginning to
bug me. I must admit that I'm very much behind the rest of you, even though
things have been rather on the quiet side on the 'List." But the trip that
you and Joan took has really started the juices flowing again.
Don't know that I'll have much to contribute for a while, but I'm going to
the FGS (Federation of Genealogical Societies) Conference in Salt Lake City
in September (our society has a booth, plus we are sponsoring a luncheon
with Cyndi Howell's (Cyndi's List guru) as our featured speaker. I'll be in
the booth selling books, memberships, etc. most of the time, except when
I'm tracking down speakers for our 2001 seminar and other society related
business. However, I plan to spend the evenings in the Library until closing
so perhaps I'll find something then.
I know that I'm going to have far more questions for you than answers,
especially since all my research is so cold to me now. I'll take sections of
you messages a little bit at a time, so that they don't become too lengthy
(that is not easy for me, being so 'windy').
You wrote:
<SNIP>
>I knew I had seen the patent to MO before, but I did not
> have the McClary sale. I have not had anything so that I could plot the
> land. That was more out of curiosity.
>I came to the same conclusion you did about Hollyfield. I have not been
able to find out who
> Hollyfield is, but I will try again.
Does anyone on the list know if there is a Goodspeed's or any other
publisher of a county history for Polk County? Hollyfield might appear in
the bios, especially if he is a prominent citizen of the county. The county
or public library also might have something about him. We might find
something out about him (occupation) from the census if he is listed as
something other than a 'farmer.' Checking the surname lists on GenForum or
Rootsweb might bring us someone researching that name. Most likely he was
just someone who was paid for his services, kind of like bondsmen or people
who put up the surety for others as a living.
>I thought that maybe "Welsh" was someone who had owned the land next to
John Lingar's patent and McClary
> bought both and now needed clear title. We did find that McClary had
bought lots of land from different people.
>From all the rolls of microfilm that I have viewed regarding land purchases
and sales in Claiborne County, TN you are correct. McClary did but a lot of
land from a lot of people. Interestingly enough, I have not seen any
reference to him in any books on the county as yet. One would think that
someone with that much land would be mentioned. Must not have seen the right
book yet.
> Have you ever had anything that points to Sampson being connected to
> the Stage Coach or wagon trains?
I have absolutely no knowledge regarding this. What info have you found that
leads you to this question? In message #2 of your trip, you mention a 'stage
coach book that listed a Charles Sampson as a stage coach driver? I'm
curious. Who is he and why were you looking for him? What relationship does
he have to the Goodmans? Was Sampson Goodman named after someone whose last
name was Sampson? It certainly isn't unheard of. Family stories in my
Goodman line say that my great-grandfather Edwin McMasters Goodman's middle
name was from someone named McMasters. Can't remember the story at the
moment, but think that he was a doctor.
>Do you think Sampson and Sarah had their own house or do you think they
lived only in the Lingar house?
Good question, for which I really have no answer. Like everyone else on the
'List' who is a Goodman/Lingar descendant, the only reference I have to
either of them being in the 'Lingar' house is in the 1830 Census for
Claiborne County, TN (Natl Arch # M19 R180, pg 151) were it appears that
Sarah (sans Sampson), her first 2 children (Francis M. & Elizabeth), are
living with Mary Lingear and sons John/Jack and James Harve. Basing the
information on the ages of the family at the time, we are just speculating
as to who was in the household. The neighbors on either side of this house
hold were Zophar Critchfield and William Jinkins (next to William Jinkins
was Henry Jinkins). The Critichfield's and Jinkins were neighbors at least
as early as 1813 as I found the following on FHL # 898,392 Tennessee,
Claiborne Co., Probate Records, May Term 1813 pg 104:
"Ordered that William Lea be appointed Overseer of the Powels Valley road in
room of John Linger and have the same hands and (?) of hands said Linger had
(Viz) Including the hands where Samuel Col--en lived then a direct course So
as to include Thos Jinkins then to the mouth of Gap creek, then up Powels
river So as to include mark & James Cadle & Rich Critchfields places, then a
course So as to include the places of Major Lea & Leonard Russell, then
across So as to include the places of Wm Jinkins and James Campbell or wher
they lived."
On the 1840 Census for Claiborne County, TN (Natl Arch # T5 R164, pg 229)
Sampson Goodman (and I'm assuming the others in the household by their ages
are Sarah, and children Francis, John, James, Issac, William & Elizabeth).
Nathaniel is apparantly deceased by the 1840 Census based on the age groups,
if I remember correctly. Perhaps someone on the 'List' can verify this. On
one side of Sampson is not very legible. It looks like John Guttering or
possibly Gullering. Above him, however, is John Jinkins Jr, and above
Jinkins, Jr in ascending order is John Jinkins Sr, Johnathan Ferrel, James
Jinkins and then William Jinkins.
On the other side of Sampson & Sarah were the households of John Lingar and
then Brittain Chumney. I know that I have looked at microfilmed copies of
Deed Records for the 1830s & 1840 for Claiborne County and the only thing
that I found for Sampson & Sarah was when they deeded property (she
inherited from her father, John Lingar)(FHL # 898,408 Tennessee, Claiborne
Co, Deeds, Vols R-S) over to James Harve in 1842. County records that have
been microfilmed appear to be very spotty, as are the WPA abstracts that are
on file at the State Archives (also have been filmed by the LDS). But an
educated guess would be that a sizable portion of the Lingar land was sold
to the Jinkins. Another educated guess is that Johnathan Ferrel and John
Guttering (or whatever) are the sons-in law of William Jinkins.
Send me the metes and bounds (the rock, tree, river, etc.) description of
the Lingar land and I will draw up how the land looked. I haven't done this
for a couple of years, but I think that I can still do it. The map that you
got in the Assayor's office..is that a modern map and can it be ordered by
mail? I'm assuming that there were no old 'plat maps' since you made no
mention of it.
Tis all for now and anxiously waiting to hear what all you found.
Take care,
Sharon
Hi, All! Here is the answer to who LV Hoolyfield was. Now why would he
be writing the letter? One interesting note is the message before this
that I received was about Claiborne County having lots of blacksmiths
because of all of the iron ore there!
Cyndi
>1860 Polk Co., Madison Twp. census lists: L. V. Hollifield occupation,
>blacksmith.
>Several neighbors named Welch but no William
>
Sharon,
Hi!!!! I knew I had seen the patent to MO before, but I did not
have the McClary sale. I have not had anything so that I could plot the
land. That was more out of curiosity. I came to the same conclusion
you did about Hollyfield. I have not been able to find out who
Hollyfield is, but I will try again. I thought that maybe "Welsh" was
someone who had owned the land next to John Lingar's patent and McClary
bought both and now needed clear title. We did find that McClary had
bought lots of land from different people. Thank you for locating the
land! It helps to know where it was. I did not think that is the land
they were going to I was just curious.
Have you ever had anything that points to Sampson being connected to
the Stage Coach or wagon trains? Do you think Sampson and Sarah had
their own house or do you think they lived only in the Lingar house?
Has anyone ever looked at the Sampson Goodman in the 1830 Census in
Tipton County, TN? He is listed as not the right age as ours, but not
that far off either. He is by himself. If he was passing through
someone could have estimated his age. Tipton County was on the stage
and wagon train trail then! From the Cumberland Gap there was a trail
through to Nashville and on toward Memphis to all points west!! We do
know that they gap between Elizabeth and John Franklin was not that
large so he could not have been gone that long. He had to be there in
January of 1831 if John Franklin was a 9 month baby!
Any ideas?
Cyndi
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Ford <denleeford(a)worldnet.att.net>
To: CHUMBLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHUMBLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Saturday, May 20, 2000 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [CHUMBLEY] Cumberland Gap Trip #2!!
>Hi Cyndi,
>
>Sounds like you two had a wonderful trip. Boy, I would have loved to
have
>been able to have gone with you. It really sounds like my kind of trip!
>Hours and all!!!
>
>You wrote:
>Subject: [CHUMBLEY] Cumberland Gap Trip #2!!
>
><SNIP>
>
>
> Also we found that John Lingar had bounty land in MO, but he
>> sold it. I want to look into where it was in MO.
>
>Cyndi, when things settle down and you can catch your breath and get
your
>papers in order, go back and take a look at the documents that I sent
you
>from the National Archives regarding John Lingar and the bounty land
that he
>received 16 Feb 1819 and then sold to a Thomas R. McClary ( FHL
#898,405
>Tennessee, Claiborne Co., Deeds, Vol E, Sept 1816 - Apr 1822 pg 435).
The
>Warrant Number is 20402 for 160 acres in the Missouri Territory, North
West
>1/4 Section 30, Township 56 North, Range 18 West. This works out to be
in
>Chariton County, MO (if I figured this correctly) which is north of the
>Missouri River in about center of the state. My notes indicate a place
named
>Westville, however there is no such place on any current map that I
have. I
>don't know if this place is too small to be included on the map or just
no
>longer in existence. This area which was part of the Franklin Land
Office
>from 1818-1824 and is quite a distance from where the Goodman's and
Lingars
>later settled in Polk County in the early 1840s.
>
>Anyway, per the Act that awarded the land to John Lingar, he was
granted 160
>acres and that is what he sold to McClary. However, what I really find
>interesting is the letter from L. V. Hollyfield (Bolivar, MO) dated 18
>September 1860 that was among the papers that I sent to you. The
letter
>reads:
>
> Boliver Missoui
> September the 18. 1860
>
>Dear Sir
> I want you to examine and see if you
>can find the servaces of John Lingar
>in Captain Hambleton Company served as an
>enlisted souldier in the war of 1812 if you
>find his survases you will please give me
>the Numbers of the Military Bounty Land Claim
>the regiment was from Tennessee al so
>examine and see if you can find the
>Name of William Welsh served as an
>enlisted souldier in Captain Graves Company
>from Ohio. report to me in those caces
>soon By so doing you will oblige yours
> very respecfuly
> L.V. Hollyfield
>
>Geo. C. Whiting
>Commissioner
>Washington City
> D.C..
>
>N: 20432 for 160 acres, issued Feby 16th 1819 to John Lingar, private
>Captn Stephens Comp of 24the Infty - Sent to Hon' W.G. Blount. &
Patented
>
>No warrant appears to have issued to a soldier of the Ohio Regt named
Wm
>Welsh
>
>
>I guess what tweaks my curiosity about the letter is the amount of time
that
>had elapsed between the sale between Lingar & McClary and this letter
(40
>years) and when a 'warrant' is later sold it is handled like any other
land
>sale and is recorded in county records. If the 'warrant' for John
Lingar was
>'Patented' as the 'note' on the letter indicates, then his (John
Lingar's)
>name is going to remain as the original owner of that particular piece
of
>land and I'm only guessing that this letter must be in reference to a
>subsequent sale of the property and it was necessary to include
information
>back to the 'Patent' owner. They may have been looking to see if the
title
>was free and clear or perhaps to see if they might have a claim to the
land.
>
>Whoever was behind the reason for the letter from L.V. Hollyfield, they
>appeared to be from Polk County and it is the time frame that Sarah
Goodman
>was still alive. It would be interesting to find out who this
Hollyfield
>person was. Was he an attorney? He doesn't indicate it from his
signature
>and there is no letterhead on the paper. Perhaps he was someone in the
area
>that could read and write and was hired by those who couldn't. Also,
who is
>William Welsh? Why was this person inquiring about another soldier? Are
>these two different cases or related? Perhaps this is something that
Mary
>Lockhart could check out.
>
>Take care,
>
>Sharon
Hi Cyndi,
Sounds like you two had a wonderful trip. Boy, I would have loved to have
been able to have gone with you. It really sounds like my kind of trip!
Hours and all!!!
You wrote:
Subject: [CHUMBLEY] Cumberland Gap Trip #2!!
<SNIP>
Also we found that John Lingar had bounty land in MO, but he
> sold it. I want to look into where it was in MO.
Cyndi, when things settle down and you can catch your breath and get your
papers in order, go back and take a look at the documents that I sent you
from the National Archives regarding John Lingar and the bounty land that he
received 16 Feb 1819 and then sold to a Thomas R. McClary ( FHL #898,405
Tennessee, Claiborne Co., Deeds, Vol E, Sept 1816 - Apr 1822 pg 435). The
Warrant Number is 20402 for 160 acres in the Missouri Territory, North West
1/4 Section 30, Township 56 North, Range 18 West. This works out to be in
Chariton County, MO (if I figured this correctly) which is north of the
Missouri River in about center of the state. My notes indicate a place named
Westville, however there is no such place on any current map that I have. I
don't know if this place is too small to be included on the map or just no
longer in existence. This area which was part of the Franklin Land Office
from 1818-1824 and is quite a distance from where the Goodman's and Lingars
later settled in Polk County in the early 1840s.
Anyway, per the Act that awarded the land to John Lingar, he was granted 160
acres and that is what he sold to McClary. However, what I really find
interesting is the letter from L. V. Hollyfield (Bolivar, MO) dated 18
September 1860 that was among the papers that I sent to you. The letter
reads:
Boliver Missoui
September the 18. 1860
Dear Sir
I want you to examine and see if you
can find the servaces of John Lingar
in Captain Hambleton Company served as an
enlisted souldier in the war of 1812 if you
find his survases you will please give me
the Numbers of the Military Bounty Land Claim
the regiment was from Tennessee al so
examine and see if you can find the
Name of William Welsh served as an
enlisted souldier in Captain Graves Company
from Ohio. report to me in those caces
soon By so doing you will oblige yours
very respecfuly
L.V. Hollyfield
Geo. C. Whiting
Commissioner
Washington City
D.C..
N: 20432 for 160 acres, issued Feby 16th 1819 to John Lingar, private
Captn Stephens Comp of 24the Infty - Sent to Hon' W.G. Blount. & Patented
No warrant appears to have issued to a soldier of the Ohio Regt named Wm
Welsh
I guess what tweaks my curiosity about the letter is the amount of time that
had elapsed between the sale between Lingar & McClary and this letter (40
years) and when a 'warrant' is later sold it is handled like any other land
sale and is recorded in county records. If the 'warrant' for John Lingar was
'Patented' as the 'note' on the letter indicates, then his (John Lingar's)
name is going to remain as the original owner of that particular piece of
land and I'm only guessing that this letter must be in reference to a
subsequent sale of the property and it was necessary to include information
back to the 'Patent' owner. They may have been looking to see if the title
was free and clear or perhaps to see if they might have a claim to the land.
Whoever was behind the reason for the letter from L.V. Hollyfield, they
appeared to be from Polk County and it is the time frame that Sarah Goodman
was still alive. It would be interesting to find out who this Hollyfield
person was. Was he an attorney? He doesn't indicate it from his signature
and there is no letterhead on the paper. Perhaps he was someone in the area
that could read and write and was hired by those who couldn't. Also, who is
William Welsh? Why was this person inquiring about another soldier? Are
these two different cases or related? Perhaps this is something that Mary
Lockhart could check out.
Take care,
Sharon
I want to close those two embarrassing gaps in the Alabama Census
records posted on Eddy Chumney's Chumney/Chumley/Chumbley Web site --
1840 and 1870.
The Chumneys/Chumleys/Chumbleys in the 1840 Alabama US Census are:
==========================================
Henry County, Alabama, FHC Tape #002333, Pg 169
John A. Chumney [erroneously identified in 1840 census index as John A.
Chauney]
2 white males under 5
2 white males 10-15
1 white male 30-40
1 white female 30-40
============ END 1840 ALA Census =========
The Chumneys/Chumleys/Chumbleys in the 1870 Alabama US Census are:
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Blount County, Alabama, FHC Census Tape #545502, "East half",
Blountsville P.O., pg 316, August 8, 1870
J. D. Chumby, white, male, age 10, birthplace Alabama
Living with J.S. Tidwell family
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Cherokee County, Alabama, FHC Census Tape #545506, Township 9 Range 8,
Sand Rock P.O., pg 232, June 4, 1870
M. V. Chumbler, white, male, age 30, birthplace South Carolina, farmer
Dulcena A. Chumbler, white female, age 23, birthplace Georgia,
housekeeper
==========================================
Etowa County, Alabama, FHC Census Tape #545515, 42 Sub Division, Attalla
P.O., pg 296, June 2, 1870 [very poor copy]
A. H. Chumly, white, male, age 41?, birthplace Tennessee, carpenter
Living with H. Shippy family
==========================================
Henry County, Alabama, FHC Census Tape #545518, 1st precinct, Abbeville
P.O., pg 284, August 25, 1870
James Chsomney, white, male, age 37, birthplace Alabama, house carpenter
Nancy, white female, age 35, birthplace Florida, keeping house
Mary, white female, age 15, birthplace Florida
Mildred, white female, age 13, birthplace Alabama
John, white male, age 11, birthplace Alabma
Georgia A., white female, age 9, birthplace Alabama
Richard, white male, age 1, birthplace Alabama
============= END 1870 ALA Census ========
Til next time,
Jim Chumney
Phoenix, AZ
Hi, All! If this is not of interest to any of you just delete it,
but quite a few of you expressed an interest and I thought since you all
have been with me along this ancestor trail you should be a part of
this, too.
On Thursday morning we got up and checked out of our hotel. We
again spent the day at the McClung. We found some very helpful things
there. One was an old stage coach book that listed a Charles Sampson
that we were looking for as the Stage Coach driver. We now have to
wonder if Sampson Goodman was involved with the stage coach. We are
going to check that out some more. We also found some other records
which may help track some of the other Goodman families we are looking
at.
When they closed at 5:30 we left for Nashville, but could have spent
at least another week at McClung and not seen everything. I definitely
want to go back there!! We took I-40 back to Nashville and stayed at
the Sheraton right by the State Archives! It was great, we could even
see the Archives from our window and we were able to walk back and
forth! We got all of our bags to the room and made a few calls. Our
husbands were starting to think we had fallen off the face of the
earth!! I also called Helen Edlin. We set up a meeting at the TN
Archives the next day! We set up that night trying to at least put some
order to all of the things we had collected. We did that by separating
the things into files by Counties, known families, states, etc. it took
most of the night (2AM again!!)
We got up the next day and went to the Archives. We started hitting
the TN Counties books one at a time. We searched Hawkins, Grainger,
Knox, Washington, and Claiborne County. We kept research logs for each
county to help us keep track. Helen got there and we got a chance to
visit! She is VERY nice!! It is great when you get to meet people you
have only talked to on-line! She helped us go through books that day
also. That night we went back to the room and again worked on sorting
our files and looking for clues that could lead us somewhere. We were
also making lists of things to check each day.
On Saturday morning we got up and checked out of the hotel. Then we
spent the day at the Archives. We went through the Draper paper info.
We tried looking at the microfilm, but again it was taking longer than
we had. We did find out that two of the most promising records we
wanted to look at were Indexed, but the Index was not available there,
but it was in Memphis! We again closed the place down!! We left there
and we were planning on driving to Memphis, but the trip finally started
catching up to me! We drove I-40 towards Memphis and stopped in
Buffalo, TN. We wanted to stop in Bucksnort, but nowhere to stop! :)
Once we stopped we still did not get to bed to early. It was the
earliest night of all though (1AM)!
On Sunday morning we got up and drove to Memphis we got there about
1:30 (the library we needed opened at 1 and closed at 5 that day). The
ladies in the genealogy area did not have any idea where to find the
info we needed. They searched all over and finally called someone at
home. They located it on Microfiche at the back of a file! I got on
and started searching the indexes. We found two very likely papers we
wanted from Nashville! One is a letter about Jacob Goodmans immigration
to KY (through the Gap) and the other is an interview of a Joseph
Sampson in 1792 about his immigration to KY (through the Gap). As soon
as we got home I ordered both of these records! We stayed until this
library closed also!
We left there and stopped at Starbucks and got an extra large
coffee. Then we drove I-40 all of the way through Arkansas to I-540 at
Fort Smith. There we went North. I-540 used to be hwy 71 and still is
farther north, until it is all 4 lanes. We got into Southern MO and
went through Goodman, MO. We stopped a few miles past there at Neosho,
MO. It was again 2AM before we got to sleep!
The next morning we got up and went to Goodman, MO and looked
around. I took a picture of Joan at the sign! Then we went to the
library in Neosho and looked up the history of Goodman, MO. We found it
and I even copied enough so that if the question of our ancestors
settling it comes up again I can dispute it. We also picked up a couple
of Census records about Goodmans being in Polk County, MO before ours to
try and see if they fit with those lines we are working on in other
areas.
We got to my house about 1:30 and left for the airport about 3:00
and Joan went back to CA, one exhausted traveler!! I came home and
slept!!
I will post info as I get a chance. We actually have quite a few
possibilities now that we did not have before. I also have a new way I
want to go at the Robert Chumley mystery!!
We drove through everything from VERY flat land to gently rolling
land to Mountains! Most of the land was gently rolling to Mountainous.
After you cross the Mississippi until you get to Little Rock it is
extremely flat. What we were trying to figure out is what made them go
to Polk Co, MO. There were other places along the way. One thing I am
checking on is trying to find out about other families that settled in
the area at that time. I am finding that there was probably a pretty
good size wagon train travelling from Grainger Co, TN to Polk Co, MO
about the time the Goodmans came there. We decided they did make a good
choice. Also we found that John Lingar had bounty land in MO, but he
sold it. I want to look into where it was in MO.
Any way I hope that all of you get to make such a trip some day. We
are pretty sure we traveled most of the way they would have in either
going there or coming back. The only route we did not travel would have
been if they went north to St Louis and down, but then we traveled that
from Paducah, KY on and it was not as likely a route at that time. It
does definitely give you a picture of what they must have gone through
back then! I can not imagine coming over the tops of those mountains
and seeing them all stretch out before you! On the other hand imagine
the joy when you got over them and the land flattened out!!
Good Night!
Cyndi
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Hi, All! I thought I would send a message letting you all know
about Joan and my trip to TN. It was GREAT!! VERY Exhausting!! We did
very little sleeping, but LOTS of hashing out different ideas for
records and possibilities!
Joan flew into Tulsa Thursday, April 27. That night we looked over
our stuff we had been collecting for the trip. We left Fairland, OK on
Friday, April 28 about 8 AM. Michael (my husband) and Chris (my son)
were nice enough to load us all up and see us on our way. We drove took
60 to 41 to I-44 in Joplin, MO. We stopped at Mt Vernon to see Mary
Lockhart (another Goodman descendant). We talked with her and she gave
us some info to check out and then we had breakfast in the Truck Stop
there. After that we took I-44 to near Springfield where we got off and
went North to Walnut Grove to see Newton Jasper Goodmans land in Greene
County. After that we stopped by Sampson and Sarah Goodmon's graves at
Turkey Creek. Then we met up with 60 highway again across Southern MO.
This is the route that closely follows one of the paths of the Trail of
Tears. That route became a common route for travelers coming to
Southern MO after 1840. Near Willow Springs, MO I missed the split of
60 and 63. We ended up going South for about 20 miles before I noticed
the mistake and we took a little WINDY! back route through the Mark
Twain National Forrest to get us back on course!
We followed 60 and crossed the Mississippi River at Cairo, Illinois.
We were in Illinois all of 1 block! You cross the Mississippi on one
bridge and then you make an immediate right onto another bridge to cross
the Ohio River into Kentucky. We continued to follow 60 until we got to
Paducah, KY where we picked up I-24 and headed down into Nashville. We
had decided to drive to just South of Paducah and stop, but found they
were having a Soccer Tournament so were out of hotels. We went on to
Nashville, TN. There we stopped at one of the first exit with multiple
hotels. We drove around in Circles and noticed that it did not seem
like a very safe area. We decided to check into the Holiday Inn because
they had security, but they had no rooms so we decided to drive through
Nashville and find something on the other side. We found a hotel on the
other side of town. By the time we got to sleep it was about 2 AM!
We got up that morning about 7. We got ready and headed out for the
day on I-40. Our intention was to make it to a genealogy conference in
Clinton, but we were running pretty late by the time we got there. We
got there about 3 in the afternoon and were able to pick up a few books
from one of the book dealers. It was really nice to be able to look at
them and see if they looked like they would help before buying them. We
drove from there up 25W to LaFollette where we took 63 into Claiborne
County. We went through Arthur which seems to be one of the closest
points to my Chumbley/Chumley, Lingar, and Goodman's land. Then we
drove up and down Highway 32 to see where we wanted to stay. We finally
decided on the Ramada Inn at the top of the hill at Cumberland Gap. It
was up and out of the way with a view of the mountains.
Then we set out to explore. Arthur is not what most would call a
town, no grocery stores, gas stations, etc. It is a group of several
houses with a couple of Churches. All of the towns are VERY close
together and almost all along highway 63 and 32. The Mountains rise
sharply all around so the towns are all narrow. Tazewell and New
Tazewell (which is not all that new!) are the larger towns, but are
still pretty small. We did stop at a grocery store there and pick up
some fruit and coffee for the room. They are widening the road through
there to 4 lanes . I don't think it is because of traffic, but the
trucks have a hard time going up the hills and it will help the cars to
go around them. Then to the North is the town of Cumberland Gap which
is hidden down in a small valley. You take a road down into it and the
town is only a few blocks big, but the mountains rise sharply all around
it. It is picturesque! Their large business has been in retaining the
old look. When we got there they were having a Civil War Re-Enactment!!
What a neat experience to drive around the hill and down into this old
town and see all of these people in Civil War dresses and uniforms!! It
truly felt like we were going back in time!
When we decided to go for dinner we went through the tunnel to
Middlesboro, KY. I was kind of disappointed not to be going across the
Mountains on the old road. The tunnel is new and it makes it a quick
trip to Middlesboro which is a larger town. We found a Ryans there and
ate there. It seemed like on most of our trip when we tried stopping at
other places we did not like the food. We tried to watch where all of
the cars were and go there, but found that Ryans was usually better so
it became our regular place when we found one.
That was Saturday night. We went back to the room and looked
through our records and compared what we could. We went to bed at 2 AM
(that seemed to become our normal bed time!) and we got up about 7AM
(which was our usual time!) Like I said 10 days, very little sleep!! :)
We pretty much lived on coffee!! We went to Gap Creek Baptist Church
the next day. There we met Haynes Chumley. We were able to enjoy the
service and then talk to some of the local people about the area. After
lunch (at Ryans, where else) and the obligatory trip to Wal-Mart we
headed back to our room where we changed and spent time getting our
stuff organized. We also made some calls to contacts in the area. We
did not have a lot of luck reaching most people, but I did talk for
quite a while with Shirley Couch who does some Chumley research in that
area. It seems most people who go there contact her! Everyone we
talked with were VERY nice!!
On Monday we got ready and went to the library in Tazewell first
where we looked through some of the local books. Then we headed to the
library. After that we went over to the Courthouse and got Deeds for
Chumleys, Goodmans, and Lingars. Then we went to the Surveyors Office
and got a large map of the area. The hard part with identifying land,
etc. there is it is not platted like the Western states. The Deeds
still read:
so far from that rock/tree to that rock/tree South to that rock/tree,
etc.
Then we went to the Clerks Office and looked through some old books. We
found a couple of records there, but not enough by the time they closed!
Then we headed back to the library until it closed! Then we went on a
tour of the area the Chumleys, Goodmans, and Lingars lived in. We were
able to tell from some of the records we found and by some of the
landmarks (ridges, rivers, etc) that are still there about which land
was theirs. The area is very Mountainous and beautiful!! We took quite
a few pictures of some older houses (mostly falling down now) and of
some of the hilltops.
It was easy to see with the lay of the land it would be hard to
support a large, growing family. We thought about the Lingar land. The
parents had 203 acres. They would have had to have that many to support
that many Kids. Does anyone have any idea what they raised? The
problem came in when those Kids grew up and had families. Sampson and
Sarah's family had already grown larger than her parents by the time
they left, but also living there were Harvey and John/Jack. The land
was divided 3 ways, but I am pretty sure that it would have been hard
for them to support a family on the divided land. They all moved on!
On Tuesday morning we got up and checked out of the hotel. We
stopped at the Courthouse to check out a few more things and then headed
down Highway 33 into Knoxville. Here we went to the McClung Library.
It was wonderful!! It is definitely a genealogy library that others
should be modeled after!! It was beautifully done. Copies are $0.15
per page or $0.25 per copy from microfilm and they have a page who makes
all of the copies. It saves so much time! Plus they have wonderful
long library tables that were never crowded, quite a few microfilm
readers, and a very large, helpful staff!! If anyone ever gets a chance
to go there, take advantage of it!! It is also across the street from
Market Square which has a beautiful park and is open walkway between the
buildings. There we found some good bistros with good food and good
coffee!! We were able to sit outside to eat lunch each day which gave
us a nice break from the library.
Back to Tuesday! :) We got to the library about 2:00. We looked
through stacks of books. The library was open until 8:30 that night. I
checked the Vertical File and they had stuff on Goodman, Lingar, and
Chumley that we went through, but it was all too recent to help much.
When that library closed we asked if there were any others open. It
happened that the University of Tennessee Knoxville was having finals
week and the library was open until midnight. We headed there. They
did not have that great of a genealogy section, but did have some of the
Census Indexes that we needed so we did not need to waste time with
those at McClung. They also have the old newspapers on microfilm, but
we decided that we did not have time to read them all. It is something
I do want to do, but it will take quite a bit of time! I thought it
would be easier to order the films here and read them one at a time.
Any way we left that library at midnight (we closed every library and
courthouse we visited!!) Then we went to find a hotel! We tried a
couple not far from McClung, but after driving around and not being able
to find the entrance to the Holiday Inn we found out there was a
convention so no rooms! We went out by the highway and found a room
about 1 AM.
Wednesday morning we got up and went to McClung again. We spent all
day there. They closed at 5:30. Then we again went to the UTK library.
There we looked at books on TN history. We copied some of the ones we
thought might help us to follow some of the movements of our families.
We closed them down again. In fact they locked us in and we had to go
up and down staircases to find our way out and then walk around the
building to get to the van.
I did not realize how long this was getting so I will cut it here
and continue in the next message!
Cyndi
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Hi, All! Are any of you connected to this Chumley??? I would be VERY
interested in the response since I am looking at some families in Tipton
County also!!
Cyndi
PS-Joan and I just got back from our trip to TN! In fact she is on a
plane somewhere over the US now! We gathered LOTS of information! Now
we just have to sort it! Expect some messages on what we have found
soon!
>CHUMLEY Queries
>A new message, "Chumley," was posted by Lynne Hanks on Mon, 08 May 2000
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>Surname: Harris, Chumley
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>NAME: Lynne Hanks
>EMAIL: lynne(a)mlec.net
>DATE: May 08 2000
>URL: http://
>QRYTEXT: I am searching for Joseph Cephas Chumley from Tipton Co. Tenn.
He married Emma Mae Bringle, their son Richard Franklin Chumley married
Katie Bell Harris who was a orphan
>Katie Bell was born 1893.
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On Eddie Chumney's Chumney/Chumley/Chumbley web site he has the
following on John Chumney and Robert Chumney who were in the
Revolutionary War from North Carolina.
======================================================
In the Roster of North Carolina Soldiers in the American Revolution on
page 112 and 113, it lists Robt Chumney, Pt. and Jno Chumney, Pt.
enlisted on 27-JUN-1777 and serving for a period of 3 years. Under the
section titled, "Occurrences" Jno was Omtd in June 1778. On page 253, it
lists those who were granted land for their service. John Chumney is
listed as number 982 being a Sergt and was given 428 acres for serving 3
years. The date of warrant is May 21, 1784. He served under James Brown.
John Chumney was a recipient of lands allotted to the officers and
soldiers of the Continental Line, by Law, October 14, 1783.
=======================================================
During my research today, I found another small tidbit on this John
Chumney. The book, "North Carolina Land Grants in Tennessee, 1778-1791"
by Cartwright and Gardiner, includes the following:
William Johnston: III 186, assigned by John Chunney, private per grant
book (sergeant per Military Warrant Book), 428 Acres, 1786 on Red River
in Davison County, Tennessee.
=======================================================
Since the number of acres assigned by this John Chunney, match exactly
those granted to John Chumney and the Warrant book indicates John was a
sergeant, I'm convinced this is the same John Chumney. Too bad, because
I was hoping to determine John's whereabouts after the Revolutionary War
using the location of the land grant.
Does anyone else have any additional information on this John Chumney or
his assumed brother, Robert, who served in the Revolutionary War from
North Carolina?
Regards,
Jim Chumney