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Barbara, It is sad that so many people are taken in by the publishers
of the "everything you want to know about your family" rip-off artists.
And they surely are artists. Some of them have been taken to court for
their misrepresentations but I guess as long as people are willing to
buy them, they will keep churning them out.
I have been very embarrassed over some of my more public research
mistakes; drawing wrong conclusions based on incomplete research is one
of them. It wasn't pleasant but I had to suck it up and make it right
because what validity does my research have if I can't document my
conclusions.
Well enough of the Confessions of a Researcher...I am glad that you
have joined the discussion group and the club of seekers. I believe
that we will eventually be able to have a more complete picture of the
Chronisters in America if we work together.
Debra
Hey Peggy,
I found an Adam Chronister in Missouri too so was wondering if they migrated
via Missouri to get to NC and TN. I'm with you on all this because I doubt
that just one Adam Chronister could have done everything mentioned in your
list. I think there may be at least 3 Adam Chronisters....one in PA, one in
NC and one in TN. Back then, they couldn't just pack up their cars and
drive to a different state. You have Adam being born 1741 in PA, in NC
1790-94, in TN from 1805-1818, then in PA 1835. This is a bigger mystery to
sort out than the ones I've run into with the Tucks.
And to think, I got so frustrated working on the Tucks I decided to try the
Chronisters for awhile thinking it may be easier because of the name. For
the Chronisters in NC I am specifically looking for James (son of Johann
Mathaias), Philip (son of James), and Nathan Enoch (son of Philip) as the
census records I've seen so far indicate they were born in North Carolina.
I don't have Adam in my line at all (yet) but it appears he was the brother
of James.
So, I think you're right. The "Old Adam" is a huge puzzle piece that got
stuffed where he doesn't fit. So far, I've been able to find Nathan and
Philip on census records, and an Adam too but could not fit him with the
others.....yet.
It would be nice to close some of these gaps.
Also, the other thing I've been interested in knowing, is the name
Chronister......was it originally Kranester? If so, when did the spelling
change?
There is so much I don't know about this family and back in the days we're
looking for, records are scarce and hard to obtain. Let me know if you find
anything and I'll definitely share with you.
Barbara
I did find an Adam in NC and TN and MO (census record). I didn't save that
information yet because I'm totally unsure where they belong.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peggy Reeves" <peg(a)reevesweb.com>
To: <chronister(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 1:41 PM
Subject: [CHRONISTER] Adam Chronister
> Barbara,
>
> You have been so complimentary, but I'm not willing to take any
> accolades because it seems like the more old records that I look at, the
> more I am convinced that I don't really know very much about these early
> Chronisters in NC!
>
> Now don't shoot me for this, but did Adam Chronister go from PA to NC or
> not? Maybe, but I can't prove it. I think "Old Adam" is one of the
> puzzle pieces that got stuffed into a place where he doesn't fit. Here
> are the facts that we know about the early "Adam Chronister":
>
> 1. There is a "Johann Adam" born to Johannes Kranester and wife in PA
> on 2 August 1741.
> 2. There is an Adam head of household over 16 years of age in the 1790
> NC census.
> 3. Adam signs as a witness on a deed for someone else in 1790 in NC.
> 4. Adam buys land in NC in 1791 and again in 1793.
> 5. Adam sells land in NC in 1794.
> 6. Adam is surety for a marriage in Rutherford Co., TN in 1805.
> 7. Adam is on a tax list in Rutherford Co., TN in 1810.
> 8. Adam is mentioned in court minutes in Rutherford Co., TN 1815-1818.
> 9. There is an Adam Chronister and wife Elizabeth baptizing a child in
> PA in 1835, which would give Adam a birth date between approximately
> 1780 and 1815.
>
> In considering these sources, the big question is, how can this be ONE
> Adam? Which Adam is which? How many early Adams are there, anyway?!
> Obviously a man born in 1741 is not going to be baptizing his own
> newborn child in 1835 when he is 94 years old! Did the one b. 1741 stay
> in PA, or is he the one in NC? Which one went to TN? How do we untangle
> them? Who are the fathers of these various Adams? How many other
> Chronisters are missing from that 1790 NC census (which is notoriously
> incomplete)?
>
> side note: There is an "Adam Matthias Chronister" who doesn't exist in
> any records anywhere at all that I have seen, except in online pedigrees
> and published works. I think this was another force-fit that has taken
> on a life of its own as it makes the rounds on the internet.
>
> The answers to some of these questions can be found by looking at more
> documentation in the various state archives and county courthouse records.
>
> Debra is right, the "chase" and the discovery of new information about
> your ancestors is much more thrilling than adding to the number of names
> in a database.
>
> Peggy Reeves
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* Barbara Hathaway
> *To:* gc-gateway, chronister
> *Date:* Saturday, September 15, 2012 12:52:14 PM
> *Subject: _Re: [CHRONISTER] Chronister Research_*
>> Hey Debra,
>> Interestingly, after reading some of these recent posts, I found a John
>> Chronister and Phillip Chronister in Lawrence Co., TN listed in Marriages
>> between 1818 and 1838. I already have them in my tree. Because of these
>> posts, I can plainly see that Adam Chronister must have migrated from PA
>> to
>> NC. However, like Peggy stated, the John Chronister and Phillip
>> Chronister
>> that I found may or may not have been his sons. I have a new way of
>> looking
>> at information now, thanks to researchers like you and Peggy, and others
>> of
>> course, instead of just adding names as I find them.
>> I will probably eventually remove my trees on Ancestry to be replaced by
>> corrected versions. My second tree is better than the first, and I will
>> not
>> add another one until I'm fairly sure it is better than the first.
>> Thanks for all your input as it has proven to be extremely helpful.
>> Barbara
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <gc-gateway(a)rootsweb.com>
>> To: <CHRONISTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:17 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CHRONISTER] Chronister Research
>>
>>
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>>> http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.chronister/418.1.1/mb.ashx
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>>> Message Board Post:
>>>
>>> Barbara, you are so right about census (and other records) sometimes
>>> having errors. That is another reason that it is so important to look at
>>> the original document or the best facsimile that we can get. We also
>>> have
>>> to look at as many records possible and then weigh those sources
>>> according
>>> to when they were created, by whom and with what purpose.
>>> Transcriptions
>>> and compiled indices can really lead us in the wrong direction,
>>> especially
>>> when the indexers/transcribers are not familiar with the area, families
>>> or
>>> even the language, as you mentioned with your "WooMai".
>>>
>>> I think one thing that could be helpful to new researchers would be if
>>> the
>>> previous gedcom posters would remove all the duplicated trees posted
>>> online. So many researchers have left multiple trees posted in various
>>> places, instead of deleting the old one before posting a cleaned up,
>>> documented version after they have corrected their research.
>>>
>>> I believe that we are going to have some break throughs on Chronister
>>> research if we can put aside preconceived conclusions and keep searching
>>> for new pieces of the puzzle.
>>>
>>> Debra
>>>
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I forgot to mention that for the more recent families, the 1940 census is now available and you can search it for free at the National Archives website at: www.archives.gov
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Hey Debra,
I ran into Lenwood Chronister (my grandmother's nephew) who had one of those
books you can order online, and he had ordered one with the Chronister name.
He was so excited to have that book and was exclaiming that "I now have all
the information about the Chronisters". I didn't have the heart to tell him
that he really didn't have anything at all. I learned that the hard way too
when I ordered one about my son's surname. When I saw what was in that
book, I thought it was the biggest ripoff going for people looking for
answers about their ancestors. Same thing with "family coat-of-arms". I
learned that there is no such thing as a "family" coat-of-arms. Yet many
people continue to purchase these things.
I have come to the conclusion that, while it's nice to know about your
ancestors way back when, it's better to have facts and documentation to
support your data than to have a lot of data without documentation.
I am now working diligently to obtain documentation and sources for the
information I have. North Carolina is one of the best states for putting
copies of death certificates online. I found death certificates for every
one of my aunts uncles (except for those who died after a certain time) and
was thrilled to do so. I know these are accurate because I knew each of my
aunts and uncles well enough to compare the information. I'm going to
attempt to order copies of those not available online and look forward to
doing better research by doing this.
Thanks Debra for all your hard work, and for helping those of us struggling
to find our ancestors. I would be interested in knowing what you find about
the Chronisters in Lincoln County NC as that is where my Great-grandfather
(James Monroe Chronister) was born. I've already spotted the problem with
Adam Chronister/Cronister and am trying to put them together as well.
Barbara
----- Original Message -----
From: "Debra Overbey" <cny02778(a)centurytel.net>
To: "CHRONISTER-L" <CHRONISTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [CHRONISTER] Chronister Research
> Yes, Barbara, we are blessed with family members who named their
> children the same names as those of their parent's siblings. Adam is
> one of those problem people for us. We have an Adam Cronister (var sp)
> in Lincoln Co., NC and then we have an Adam who may or may not be that
> same person in TN. We have Johns, James/Jacobs, Williams, Mathiases
> etc. in more than one location but most of them are lacking the paper
> trails necessary to connect them. I have identified a possible three
> James Cronisters (var sp) in the Lincoln Co., NC area. When there is
> time to concentrate and sort through all the bits of info maybe we will
> be able to identify them/him. This could be one man, two, or even
> three. All with the same name and in the same county. It will take
> sifting through the records and determining with land, court and
> marriage records if we are dealing with one or more individuals.
>
> Contrary to what we may have been told in TV ads and want to believe,
> research isn't easy; not everything is online; not every record has
> been digitized; all record groups have not been indexed; and we can't
> always believe what has been passed down in the family without
> verification. But I am a firm believer that if it were easy and simple
> that it would be much less satisfying and certainly less fun. When I
> hear people say, "Oh, my family has already been done." I think how sad
> that they are missing out on so much fun and feeling a sense of
> accomplishment when finding an ancestor's century-old record of land
> purchase or marriage. From my viewpoint it is much more exciting to put
> the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together than it is to take someone
> else's collection of names and data and dump it into the mix and I can
> tell that you are also of that mind.
> Debra
>
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Yes, Barbara, we are blessed with family members who named their
children the same names as those of their parent's siblings. Adam is
one of those problem people for us. We have an Adam Cronister (var sp)
in Lincoln Co., NC and then we have an Adam who may or may not be that
same person in TN. We have Johns, James/Jacobs, Williams, Mathiases
etc. in more than one location but most of them are lacking the paper
trails necessary to connect them. I have identified a possible three
James Cronisters (var sp) in the Lincoln Co., NC area. When there is
time to concentrate and sort through all the bits of info maybe we will
be able to identify them/him. This could be one man, two, or even
three. All with the same name and in the same county. It will take
sifting through the records and determining with land, court and
marriage records if we are dealing with one or more individuals.
Contrary to what we may have been told in TV ads and want to believe,
research isn't easy; not everything is online; not every record has
been digitized; all record groups have not been indexed; and we can't
always believe what has been passed down in the family without
verification. But I am a firm believer that if it were easy and simple
that it would be much less satisfying and certainly less fun. When I
hear people say, "Oh, my family has already been done." I think how sad
that they are missing out on so much fun and feeling a sense of
accomplishment when finding an ancestor's century-old record of land
purchase or marriage. From my viewpoint it is much more exciting to put
the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together than it is to take someone
else's collection of names and data and dump it into the mix and I can
tell that you are also of that mind.
Debra
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Barbara, you are so right about census (and other records) sometimes having errors. That is another reason that it is so important to look at the original document or the best facsimile that we can get. We also have to look at as many records possible and then weigh those sources according to when they were created, by whom and with what purpose. Transcriptions and compiled indices can really lead us in the wrong direction, especially when the indexers/transcribers are not familiar with the area, families or even the language, as you mentioned with your "WooMai".
I think one thing that could be helpful to new researchers would be if the previous gedcom posters would remove all the duplicated trees posted online. So many researchers have left multiple trees posted in various places, instead of deleting the old one before posting a cleaned up, documented version after they have corrected their research.
I believe that we are going to have some break throughs on Chronister research if we can put aside preconceived conclusions and keep searching for new pieces of the puzzle.
Debra
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Hey Debra,
Interestingly, after reading some of these recent posts, I found a John
Chronister and Phillip Chronister in Lawrence Co., TN listed in Marriages
between 1818 and 1838. I already have them in my tree. Because of these
posts, I can plainly see that Adam Chronister must have migrated from PA to
NC. However, like Peggy stated, the John Chronister and Phillip Chronister
that I found may or may not have been his sons. I have a new way of looking
at information now, thanks to researchers like you and Peggy, and others of
course, instead of just adding names as I find them.
I will probably eventually remove my trees on Ancestry to be replaced by
corrected versions. My second tree is better than the first, and I will not
add another one until I'm fairly sure it is better than the first.
Thanks for all your input as it has proven to be extremely helpful.
Barbara
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Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [CHRONISTER] Chronister Research
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> Barbara, you are so right about census (and other records) sometimes
> having errors. That is another reason that it is so important to look at
> the original document or the best facsimile that we can get. We also have
> to look at as many records possible and then weigh those sources according
> to when they were created, by whom and with what purpose. Transcriptions
> and compiled indices can really lead us in the wrong direction, especially
> when the indexers/transcribers are not familiar with the area, families or
> even the language, as you mentioned with your "WooMai".
>
> I think one thing that could be helpful to new researchers would be if the
> previous gedcom posters would remove all the duplicated trees posted
> online. So many researchers have left multiple trees posted in various
> places, instead of deleting the old one before posting a cleaned up,
> documented version after they have corrected their research.
>
> I believe that we are going to have some break throughs on Chronister
> research if we can put aside preconceived conclusions and keep searching
> for new pieces of the puzzle.
>
> Debra
>
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Thank you Debra. I'm also excited about these posts. I made my mistakes very early on when I first joined Ancestry, started getting information from other researchers, and was excited to have so many folks to add to my family tree.....until I started finding all the incorrect information. Now, I will only add something if I get it from a census, death certificate, or some other source that that I'm positive will have the right information. But, census records can be wrong too. So can data from other sources. I'll give a couple of examples: I was looking for a Eula Mae Coleman, until I found a census where her name was misspelled "WooMai" and I knew I had found her because I knew her siblings. I also found a census with my grandparents and their children (my mother included) and every name was misspelled. Even death certificates can have misinformation. Some people went by their nicknames instead of their birth names. Sometimes women remarried (or just lived with a!
man) and allowed her children to use the last name of the man instead of their birth names. And so on and so on. But, it is exciting to finally get a "hit" and know you've found the right information. I applaud people like you and Peggy Reeves for helping us stay on the right track. Because of researchers like you, I have become much better in my research. I still have a mess to clean up, but I'm a lot better.
Thanks Debra
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Surnames: Chronister Kranister Kronester Cronester Cranister
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I am excited about the many recent posts on the Chronister Board and List. I like the emphasis on verifying all work and checking information against the documentary evidence. For those who are new to research, I would pass on some advice given to me many years ago: "Do your census work." Before you can begin trying to solve the puzzles of our ancestors' lives, you have to become acquainted with them. The census, imperfect as it is, can be the way to begin that process.
I would also like to pass on a couple of warnings. Be very careful of passing on unverified and unsubstantiated conclusions. I have been bitten by my own premature conclusions, as I suspect, most of you. I think Barbara may have mentioned this next problem. Be very wary of dumping the gedcoms and info from various people into your own trees. It is very hard to weed out the mistakes and very easy to perpetuate them when gedcoms are posted online or shared the old-fashioned way.
I hope more Chronister researchers begin exchanging information via the mail list and message boards, always remembering that our objective is to achieve the most accurate research and to work cooperatively to reach that goal.
True research is not "name collecting" it is getting to know our ancestors through the clues they left behind. It isn't taking speculation and piecing it together, making it fit our preconceived ideas. It is taking what we find, analyzing and reassessing to come up with the best conclusions from the evidence. Frequently we have to go back to the beginning when new facts are located. That is totally OK. We need to be willing to look at the evidence with unbiased eyes so that the puzzle pieces fit together correctly. We are unlikely to ever find "all" the information we need but we can certainly do our best to survey all the available bodies of records.
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See the new thread regarding the Henry and Rebecca Chronister family.
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This needs to be on it's own thread so I'm continuing it here...
Michelle, that's great that you have the names of the children and a birth year and spouse for the child (Charles) who is yours. Have you found these people on the 1880 census? If not, that's the easiest first step that you could take, since you know the names of the children. You should be able to find them.
The 1880 census is free online at ancestry.com. Just sign in with the same name/password that you use for this board and you can search it without a subscription. Just realize that ages and other details in census are not always exact. That's why it's best to look them up in more than one census year. All of the census years are available at your local Family History Center. Most research libraries also have subscriptions to ancestry.com and other sites. They may even have other census years free online at another site by now, though I haven't looked for it.
If your Charles or any other family member died in PA after 1906, they should have a death certificate that you can order from PA vital records for a few dollars. The death certificate will give the names of the parents (if the informant knew who they were), and the name of the cemetery where the deceased person was interred.
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They had 5 children - margaret, edgar, william, charles and clara. Charles is my great grandfather. He was born nov 1879 married to lydia born nov 1882. Thanks!
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They had 5 children - margaret, edgar, william, charles and clara. Charles is my great grandfather. He was born nov 1879 married to lydia born nov 1882. Thanks!
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There were a lot of Henry Chronisters in PA born around the same time. I think you'll need to take it down a generation and tell us who Henry's children are, before we can know which Henry you are talking about. Also, which county in PA? Where did he live when he died?
You should start a new thread with this inquiry, since we are way off topic with the original post.
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Peggy do you have information on a henry a chronister married to rebecca? henry was born around 1844 and rebecca around 1843 both in PA. I try to find Henry's parents but I have been getting some conflicting answers. If you know anything please let mw know! Thanks!!
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I don't care if my ancestors were famous either, but I have found some on my dad's side that were in the history books: some politicians and famous families from Virginia and royalty/nobility from Europe, the ancestors of these people. My 3rd great grandmother was the third cousin of Jefferson Davis. It is interesting when you find those connections, but they really don't mean a lot...after all, they were just people too.
As far as Pocahantas goes, there were only two husbands, Kacoum and the Rolfe. She was married to Kacoum and had a son at the time she was kidnapped by the English.
I keep notations about the possible connections just in case I can verify them in the future. It's better to have the information and later have it proven incorrect than to lose information and later find it was correct and wonder where you put it.
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I will check out that book about Pocahontas. Looks like everyone wants to be connected to somebody famous and will grasp at straws to claim them as kin. About the best I have is a distant relation to Daniel Boone (his sister married someone in my family tree). Doesn't matter to me, I just like finding the information about my ancestors even if they were something other than upstanding citizens. I enjoy doing it regardless of what I find and will continue. I've just learned to avoid being too quick to add a name without real evidence that they belong. I like to share too so let me know if you want any of my information.
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Author: BHATHAWAY
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Thanks Peggy. I feel I am learning from the professionals here. Unfortunately, I've already posted my mistakes online and have a couple of family trees on Ancestry. I'm learning too late what they do with your information. I thought it would be a good place to put my information for others to see forever but am thinking about removing the information to keep them from using it. I wanted to share freely with others but I've learned that my sharing isn't free at all. I would love to have my own website and that's my ultimate goal. I would love to have more information about the NC Chronisters as the only resources I have now are the census records. Even those are loaded with errors. I'll check out your link. There are two libraries in my area that have genealogy sections where you can borrow from state libraries. That's how I got started and plan to spend more time in the main one to gather more information. I appreciate your input and will actively work towards pr!
oviding sources for all my information. Thanks so much.
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Author: cheyenne917
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I am lucky to have a number of researches in my family, although I don't have regular contact with them. Life sometimes gets in the way of what you would like to do. I recently got back into it after a visit to my aunt that got me motivated again. I have written to her about Peggy's post to see if she or our cousin has any documentation.
As far as Pocahantas goes, you should read the book The True Story of Pocahantas: The Other Side of Histoy by Dr. Linwood "Little Bear" Custalow and Angela L. Daniel "Silver Star." They put in writing the oral history of the Mataponi people. The version you see and hear in the media are those of the English colonists, not the Mataponi people.
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Author: 1PeggyReeves
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Thank you for your kind compliments. Yes, I have done a lot of "leg work" and have spent a lot of hours, days, years, looking at original documents in different record repositories as I have the time to do it. However, I don't think you should trust me or anyone else to tell you who your ancestors are!
I guess that sounds funny, but what I mean is that I make mistakes like anyone else. Collaboration is wonderful, but the first question we should ask when somebody gives us information about ancestors is, "how do you know this? Where did you find it?" and then check their work by looking at the original sources ourselves. Some people are offended by this, but I can tell you that no serious researcher is offended by being asked for their sources. It is common procedure. If their only "source" is the Mormon database, or someone's genealogy book, or what someone else posted...then it is going to be wrong more often than it is right, so why spread it around? That's not a mean-spirited statement on my part, that is a proven fact. You will save yourself a lot of headaches and later embarrassment by citing all of your sources and not adding hearsay to your database, as well as keeping your notes and unproven theories private, not passing them on as statements of fact until y!
ou can prove them. If someone says a couple got married on a certain date in a certain place, write to or visit the county courthouse or state archives in that place and ask for a copy of the marriage record. It might cost you a few dollars for a copy, but that is how you prove it. If someone died in a certain place, check with the courthouse for that county (or the state archives) and see if there was a will or an estate settlement of some sort. Those documents will show you things that you won't find online anywhere. Rootsweb has regional mailing lists for all of the various counties, so if you don't know where the records are kept, you can always make an inquiry on those lists and find out where the records are housed and how to access them.
I am fortunate that my early mistakes were made before the days of computers...thank goodness, my rookie embarrassments are not in any database for everyone to see forever! I can assure you, I made plenty of them. When you put information out there, it does end up in those databases, and there are no take-backs, EVER. You will see it popping up again and again. That is why more researchers don't post their work. What if they make a mistake and need to change something? Too bad, the Mormons are already selling it on CDs, and you cannot get it back! The same goes for the FamilyHart database--they actually have a disclaimer that says if you send them any information, it automatically gives them the right to post it. Then they say it was from you and slap their copyright notice on it! So if I want to publish my own work somewhere, they can claim they have a copyright to it if they put it into their database first? NO THANKS! That is why you don't see researchers posti!
ng very many original documents or scholarly research pieces--because they don't want it stolen and sold on Mormon family CDs, or mixed into a database with a lot of other stuff that is pure nonsense, or "copyrighted" and compiled into a huge genealogy book that ends up being worthless.
I have done a lot of collaborative work with Debra Overbey. I have concentrated mostly on the northern Chronisters, most of whom are descendants of immigrant Johannes. Debra has done a lot more work than me, and for more years, primarily on the southern Chronisters, many of whom are related to Matthias who went from PA to NC. She is an excellent researcher whose work I respect, but I always check it. She is not offended by this. She checks my work, as well, and isn't afraid to point out my mistakes, and I am not offended by it, either. I want it to be correct! We are still trying to document NC Matthias and his family group and his origins. As of now, we can't even document who all of his children were, much less his parents, but it is a work in progress. We would love for others to join us in this effort.
As for access to documentation--everyone has access to it, you just have to know which courthouse, library, state archive, or federal archive to write to, email, or visit. That's why it takes years to build a detailed, documented piece of research on a family.
As far as my research is concerned, topics of general interest with wide appeal concerning the very early Chronisters have been discussed on the rootsweb and genforum Chronister message boards, as well as on the Chronister mailing list at rootsweb. Actually, the more detailed postings are in the Chronister mailing list archives online at rootsweb. You can access and read the old messages for free, and you can join the Chronister mailing list for free.
Debra and I together did a posting showing the known facts for Matthias Chronister who went from PA to NC. After each fact, we gave the sources that we used to prove it. Here is the link that takes you to it:
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/chronister/2009-05/1243196103
Once again, if anyone has seen any original documents that contain something that we do not have on our fact sheet, or if you think we are in error about something, please let us know where to find the proof document that adds to it or corrects it. We would be thrilled to see some new piece of proof, whether it proves us wrong or not! The same goes for any of the Chronister lines. We might not always answer publicly, but when people ask a specific question on the message board or mailing list, they will usually get an answer from someone.
Thanks for your interest, everyone!
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