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Author: 1PeggyReeves
Surnames: Chronister
Classification: queries
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>From time to time, it becomes necessary to re-evaluate the evidence when upon analysis facts no longer fit the generally accepted conclusion. Debra Overbey and I believe that now is the time to look closely at the evidence of Matthias Cronister and his wife, Elisabetha. Are we really able to name their children? Do we really know when he died? What do we know and what do we surmise? Can we get closer to historical truth by looking at the facts again?
Fact #1 - Matthias served during the French and Indian War, appearing on a muster roll in Carlisle (Cumberland Co., PA) dated 27 June 1758, listed as: "Matt's Granister". [Pennsylvania Archives, Series 5, vol 1, p. 224]
Fact #2 - Matthias is mentioned several times in the Lower Bermudian Church records but there is no relationship stated in those records between him and immigrant Johannes. [Translation of Church Book, Lutheran and Reformed Union Congregation, Lower Bermudian, Adams County, Pennsylvania by Edna Albert ca. 1934, part of the collection of the Genealogical Society of Pennsylvania]
Fact #3 - Matthias and wife Elisabetha baptized a child in PA: "Anna Maria Cranister of Matheis (Lutheran) and Elizabeth (Catholic), born 7 A.M., September 6, 1761, baptized October 18, 1761, at Carlisle, on the Bermudian." [York County , Pennsylvania Church Records of the 18th Century by Marlene Strawser Bates and F. Edward Wright] The record of this same event as recorded in the Lower Bermudian Church record books show the sponsors to be Lorentz Detter son of Nicol, and Anna Maria Cranester. [same source as fact #2]
Fact #4 - Matthias is in the tax list of 1763 in West Pennsboro Township, Cumberland County, PA, as: "Mathew Cronister". He does not appear in the Cumberland County tax list transcriptions for 1762 or 1764. [Tax Lists - Cumberland County, PA, 1750, 1751, 1752, 1753, 1762, 1763, 1764 by Merri Lou Scribner Schaumann, page 52]
Fact #5 - Matthias received a crown grant for land in NC in 1773. [Land Patent, No. 621-381, p. 209, to Mathias Cronister, 300 acres Tryon Co., NC, 25 Jan 1773. North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh, NC]
Fact #6 - Matthius and Elisabeth sold land to Michael Buff in 1787. His signature appears to be "Matthes Karonister" The middle initial is difficult to read; Elisabeth used the Roman numeral "X" as her mark over the clerk's "Elisabeth Cronister." [Lincoln Co., NC Real Estate Conveyances, 1785-1793, Bk. 3:274, 275, Matthias Cronister and his wife, Elisabeth, to Michael Buff, 300 acres, 15 Oct 1787. North Carolina State Archives, Raleigh, NC]
Fact #7 - There is no Matthias Chronister as head of household in the 1790 NC Census. Only one Chronister household is recorded in NC in the 1790 census, and Adam is the head of that household. The household consists of three adults-two males and one female. No other names are given, no ages, and no relationships. [National Archives microfilm M-637, roll #7, First Census of the United States, North Carolina, Lincoln Co., p. 128]
Fact #8 - Matthias Cronister was granted 320 acres of land in Washington County, TN, on 12 July 1794 [Earliest Tennessee Land Records and Earliest Tennessee Land History, by Irene M. Griffey, p. 152]
Some of these facts were not known by those who developed the early theories about this family. Matthias disappeared from the PA records and resurfaced in NC. It was presumed that the Adam in the 1790 NC census was the son of Matthias, because Matthias was the only adult Chronister that anyone could document being in NC. The two other adults living with him in 1790 were presumed to be his aging parents. This is a HUGE assumption to make, considering the number of other possibilities that exist.
The 1790 census does not list each member of the household by name, nor does it give specific age ranges. There are two males and one female over the age of 16 in the one and only Chronister household listed, with Adam as head of that household. It is well-known that many households did not get enumerated at all in that first census in NC.
The early theory of Matthias and Elisabetha having five children named James, William, Anna Maria, Adam, and Eve, needs to be re-evaluated in light of the documentation that has been found in recent years. We would like to examine and discuss the documentation for these children to see if the known facts agree with the early theory. Perhaps there are others who have found additional documentation that they might be willing to share and discuss. Please look at this list of facts with an unbiased approach and give your observations online so that all Chronister researchers may benefit.
Peggy Reeves
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Author: scottshar9200_1
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This is my family Line If There Is any Information Out there That may help Me please fill free to share I'll give you what I have on them
Thanks Sharon
Altoona Mirror April 14 1920 Pg 245 and
BCGS
Jacob Chronister
Another Old Veteran Of the Civial War Has answered the last Roll Call
He was born at Center Line Oct 4, 1838 and was the son of Cyrus and Margaret
Chronister who were among the early settlers of Warriors Mark Valley. The greater part of his life was spent in Farming and after the death of his wife he came to Tyrone in 1915 and made his home with his daughter Mrs. John C Root of Pennsylvania Avenue. Tyrone Pa
When A Young man he answered the first call for volunteers and served three years in CO.I 5th Regiment Infantry, Pennsylvania Reserves and participated in all the Battles in which this Regiment was engaged Being discharged in June 1864.
He was united in Marriage on Dec 18, 1866 at Warriors Mark with Miss Miriam Lemon. These Children survive Cyrus of Warriors Mark Edgar and Lloyd of Cross Roads
Walter, Lawrence and Mrs. John C. Root of Tyrone
He was a member of the First Lutheran Church. Post number 172, G.A.R. and the Daughters of Veterans.
Short Service will be held at his Daughter's Mrs. John Root tomorrow afternoon at 1 o'clock in charge of Rev E.M. Morgan after which the body will be taken overland to the Lutheran Church at Centre Line where further services will be conducted. Interment in Center Line Cemetery
The members of Post 172, G.A.R. will attend the funeral
Mrs Root is Mary Margaret Chronister
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Author: DebraOverbey
Surnames: Chronister and variant spellings
Classification: queries
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The Chronister Research Board and Mail List is primarily inactive. In the past I have tried to jumpstart the list with discussions and postings of transcriptions and abstracts of original records. On several occasions this has escalated to name calling and disrespect between list members. If we as researchers are concerned about finding the keys to our family history, we should be willing to work together without descending to this level. I believe that I am able to work with all researchers, even those with whom I have basic disagreements about interpretation of records and methods of research. I assume that all others on this list are able to do the same. I invite all persons interested in Chronister (var. sp.) research to participate in board and list exchanges and combine efforts to solve our family puzzles.
Peggy Reeves and I have been comparing notes on the Southern line of the Chronister Family. In doing so, we realized that we know much more about Matthias Cronister than previously thought. It is our hope that other researchers of this line will join us in evaluating this information and reevaluating earlier theories about the family structure of Matthias and Elisabetha Cronister of Lincoln Co., NC.
As list and board manager, I am asking that all comments posted to the message boards at RootsWeb, Ancestry and the Chronister mail list at Ancestry be professional and objective. This and any following posts by Peg and I are intended only to encourage further research into our Chronister lineage and will not contain any negative personal remarks directed to any other researcher. I expect the same of all other posters. Should the discussion become abusive or include reflections of a personal nature, I will unsubscribe the poster of such messages, no exceptions.
Your participation on this board and associated mail list is requested.
Debra Blackard Overbey, debrablackard(a)centurytel.net
Chronister List Manager
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>From The Arkansas Gazette, Little Rock, AR, 19 April 1898; issue 182; col A:
"STATE PENITENTIARY. Two Convicts Escaped Yesterday and Three Released
To-Day. Superintendent E. T. McConnell of the state penitentiary, gives
notice of the following escapes: Mike Haley, from Frank Barton's camp near
England, Ark., April 18; Garland County, five years, carnality, age 35,
Irish descent, sister Mary Haney at Arkansas City. Gabe Isom, Jefferson
county, sentenced November 9, 1891, to thirty-one years for murder;
residence at Pine Bluff, where his wife, Mattie Isom, lives with three
children, age 47. The following convicts were released from the
penitentiary today, having served their terms: Joe Markin, Pulaski county,
seven years, forgery and perjury; Perry Nichols, Jefferson county, eight
years, arson and larceny; Will Chronister, Pope county, six months,
receiving stolen goods."
Can someone help me place this Will Chronister in a birth family, please?
Debra Blackard Overbey