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Surnames: Cronister Chronister Hilderbrand Helterbrand Carrell
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I think we are making some progress on the early movement of the NC Cronister lines.
1790 census--no listing found for Rev. War James Cronister or for Old Mathias. Adam (which one?) in Lincoln Co., NC
1794--Old Mathias Cronister land warrant in what is now TN.
1800--James Cronister in Lincoln Co., NC. No listing found for Adam Cronister.
Lincoln Co., NC deed 23:231 from Henry Heltebrand to James Chronister and dated 24 June 1807, for 100 A. on waters of Potts Creek.
In Nov 1808, James Cronister's bounty land was entered in Robertson Co., TN with Henry Hildebrand as the locator.
1810--James Cronister is listed in the Lincoln Co., TN census. Adam Cronister enumerated in Rutherford Co., TN.
Lincoln Co., NC deed 27:287, dated 23 Sep 1814, shows James Chronister (of Lincoln County) selling these 100 acres on Potts Creek to William Carrell, a neighbor.
James Cronister is listed in Robertson Co., TN county court minutes of 1815-1818.
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This really nails down where James Cronister's 640 acres was located, doesn't it? Bordered on one side by the Red River, and on another side by the Kentucky line--that ought to be pretty easy to find on a map! It's also interesting to see a John Cronister who apparently owns an adjoining tract. This cannot be the Revolutionary John Cronester that we found before, because he didn't patent land with his warrant--in fact, he never even applied for it because he was already dead and it was his heirs who applied for the warrant and then sold it to Jason Thompson. I don't know who this "John" next to James could be.
According to "Revolutionary War Bounty Land Grants" by Lloyd DeWitt Bockstruck, North Carolina did grant 640 acres to "chain carriers, markers, and hunters" who helped lay out the land in the military district. Perhaps that is how James got 640 acres when his actual war service didn't qualify him for that much land. I think I have a reference to James serving as a chain carrier at some point...I'll see if I can find it.
It looks to me like James had the original 640 acre warrant reissued in smaller pieces. I wonder what he did with all the pieces? Especially if he was in Lincoln County in 1810.
I know the NC archives has the military land warrants, because I called and asked them about those once before. I'm not sure about the patents. Those might be at the TN archives.
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Surnames: Cronister Paisley Hildebrand Ship Blackwell Miller
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Peg and Other Listers, you reminded me that I had some information that I had never pursued. I don't understand what the following abstract means. If James Cronister (Rev. War) was in TN in 1808, he had to have gone back to NC in time for the 1810 census and to sell land that he had there. Maybe he was never physically in TN but sent Henry Hilderbrand to TN to find land for him. I have been told that In order to receive a 640 acre land grant he would have had to serve for three years. According to James Cronister's pension application he served 2 and one-half years. Was there some other reason he received the full grant for a private in the North Carolina line? Does anyone out there have photocopies of these original records? If so, where did you obtain them? Can anyone out there help me to understand this record?
8964. Nov 25, 1808 warrant 166, [Pvt.] James Cronister 640 ac delivered to [blank]; 84 months; [following in Tennessee Revolutionary War warrants (roll 1, mixed up with old #166): copy of entry James Cronister 640 ac in Robertson Co on S side of Red R, begins at Robert Paisley's SW corner, runs N to the Kentucky line, & W with the line, Henry "Hilldebrand" locator; copy of 2nd entry (no date) John Cronister 30 ac in Robertson Co on waters of Red R between Buzzard Cr and Sturgeon Cr, begins at William Ships's SE corner, runs S to Blackwell's line, W with Blackwell's line, N, E to Ship's line, S, & E, Henry Hildebrand locator; warrant on roll 11, (no assignment on warrant); copy of location #4162 Nov. 24, 1809 James Cronister 200 ac in Robertson Co. on S side of Red R, begins at NW corner of Andrew Miller's tract, runs S, & W, Henry Hildebrand (locator?); duplicate warrant issued Jul., 6, 1809 by A Foster, grants issued #4500 for 200 ac, #4501 for 200 ac, #4502 for 100 ac, #45!
03 for 40 ac, & #4504 for 30 ac all to James Cronister and #4046 for 70 ac 59 Henry "Hilderbrand"].
Tennessee land entries, military bounty land, Martin Armstrong's office by A.B. Pruitt. c1996 ISBN # 0944992617
In a book about early Tennessee land grants, I found reference to Matthias Cronister having either entered land or having obtained a land warrant on 21 July 1794 in Washington County, TN. It is file #1147, book 81, page 571.
At the time of this entry, the land would have still been part of North Carolina. "Washington County" was formed out of "Washington District", which was the name given to the entire area of TN before TN achieved statehood. It all belonged to NC before 1796. I would like to order this entry, in order to get a description of the land of Matthias. His land could be literally anywhere in TN, but the description should tell us exactly where. The records should be in NC, but might have been transferred to TN when TN became a state.
If anyone already has this, and can tell me whether it is found at the NC Archives or at the TN Archives, I would appreciate it. I would like to order it. I am also interested in any early TN land entries for Adam Chronister. I have record of him in Rutherford County as early as 1809, but tax lists are missing before that date, so I don't know how early he shows up in TN. Rutherford County was huge at that point in time, and covered a very large part of the present state of TN. Thus Adam could also be just about anywhere in TN, and I would like to get a specific description of his land. Does anyone have a specific source citation for any deeds in TN where Adam is named as either the grantor or the grantee?
Thanks for any information!
Peggy Reeves
Burtonsville, MD
Bob, you will have to be more specific. Whom are you asking about?
Debra Blackard
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Subject: [CHRONISTER] James Chronister in Robertson County Tennessee
Please introduce yourself as I do not know who you are. Bob Chronister
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Shelby Jean Wilson
Shelby Jean Wilson, 67, of Lavaca died Monday, March 20, 2006, in her home.
She was born Nov. 19, 1938, in Charleston to John Knox and Eva Chronister
Knox. She was a homemaker and a member of Cornerstone Freewill Baptist
Church near Bloomer.
Funeral was held noon Thursday, March 23, 2006, at Cornerstone Freewill
Baptist Church near Bloomer with burial at U.S. National Cemetery in Fort
Smith under the direction of Brotherton Brothers Funeral Home of Paris.
Officiating the service will be the Rev. Buddy Corbell.
She is survived by her husband, Wilborn of the home; a daughter, Sheila
Deaton of Lavaca; three sons, Bill Wilson of Central City, Gary Wilson of
Mulberry and Ricky Wilson of Lavaca; a sister, Betty Crawford of Central
City; 10 grandchildren; and six great-grandchildren.
Pallbearers were Jimmy Cook, Landon Scoggins, Russell Sparks, Keith Dunn,
Daniel Waggoner, Joe Freeman, Jim Barnes, Donald Cook.
I always heard that the Chronisters stayed awhile in TN but I figured
that they just put in some crops. Others of my ancestors that
intermarried with the Chronisters, the Rows and the Revels also
stayed awhile in TN. They went the Christian KY first though before
going to MO.
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Wow, Revolutionary James is the only one I could think of in this age range, but I didn't know he was ever in Tennessee! I knew he had gotten a warrant for his Revolutionary service, but since he filed his pension app from Missouri very early and his final payment was also made to him in MO, I figured he had gone directly there from NC.
North Carolina Revolutionary land grants were always for land in TN, but most soldiers sold their warrants to land speculators and other individuals for cash. I figured that's what James had probably done. Robertson County is, indeed, in the part of Tennessee that was set aside as the military bounty land district.
We have lots of new places to search for records now, don't we?! I want to know who is living there in TN with him.
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Surnames: Chronister Cronister
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This is great information, Peg. This has to be Revolutionary War James Chronister. James Cronister had a bounty land warrant for 640 acres. This land was entered in Robertson Co., TN. The entry was dated 25 Nov 1808.
William may be the same William Chronister who was the representative of the heirs of Revolutionary War soldier, John Cronister. Who was John Cronister?
I will order copies of the actual court minutes so we can see the entire record if no one else has copies of them.
Debra
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I was looking at some DAR GRC books which have two references to James Chronister in Robertson County, Tennessee:
1. TN DAR GRC s2, v28, which is an Index to Robertson County, TN Court Minutes. Book 4, 1815-1818. "James Crainister" is listed on p. 34 of the court minutes.
2. TN DAR GRC s2, v40, which is another Index to Robertson County, TN Court Minutes, 1820-1822. "James Christer ?" is listed as being in Book 6, p. 320, and there is also a "William Christer ?" listed in Book 6, pps 184, 320, 337.
These GRC books are only indexes to the court minutes, not the minutes themselves. Is there anyone who has already looked at these actual court minutes to see what they are all about? I would appreciate any information. Who is the James Chronister in Robertson County, TN? And who is William?
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There is a Nancy E. A. Keys who is probably being confused with the Nancy Eaker who married Azariah Chronister. They are proven to be two different women.
Nancy E. A. Keys is the widow of James Calvin Keys. Nancy applied for pension based on James' service in Co. K, 4th AR Union Cavalry. The names, dates, and details for this family were given by Nancy. Her maiden name is Nancy E. A. Cline. James Keys was her first husband, but the Keys children are not Nancy's because Nancy says James was married before, and the children are from his first wife, who died. Nancy E. A. Cline married and buried four different husbands until her death in the 1900s. None of the four were Azariah Chronister.
The "other" Nancy Eaker married Azariah Chronister on 6 August 1843. That marriage is recorded in Cape Girardeau Co., MO, and Nancy's name is, indeed, "Eaker", not Keys. I don't see how the Keys children living in the household of Azariah in Pope County in the 1850 census can possibly belong to Azariah's wife Nancy. Is there something I'm not seeing?
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Surnames: Chronister Eaker Bowden Keys
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Bob, After reading your recent post, I have looked for a first marriage for Nancy Eaker but haven't found one. Do you have a marriage record for Nancy Eaker to a Keys? The only marriage I can find for her is to Azariah Chronister in Cape Girardeau Co., MO. Her surname is given as Eaker in that record. I don't have a death record for Nancy in Pope Co., AR but there has been no divorce record found, so I have concluded that she died before Azariah remarried the widow, Susan Bowden. Is this what you have found in your research?
Debra Blackard
John W. Chronister son of William S. Chronister and Sarah Cooper,
found on page 19, 1900 Federal Census, Pope County, Arkansas,
Conviennce Twp. He is 7 at this time and is living with his widowed
father William S. Chronister, his grandmother and two uncles. This
was just before William S. Chronister married Sarah Duvall. Thanks
for any and all information. Mary Lou Reed
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> From: "Debra Blackard" <debrablackard(a)centurytel.net>
> Date: March 11, 2006 9:16:58 PM CST
> To: CHRONISTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Who is Martin Chronister
>
>
>
> Peggy, this is interesting. Who is Martin Chronister?
>
> 1) Can this be the "other" Mathias Chronister that you found in the
> military
> records?
>
> 2) Is it possibly a misspelling and duplication of the known
> Mathias in Cape
> Girardeau Co., MO?
>
> 3) Could this be a brother to James Chronister? It is logical to
> think that
> Mathias the Elder and Elisabetha had more than two sons, given the age
> spread of their known children.
>
> 4) Could this be a son of James Chronister the Revolutionary soldier?
>
> 5) It is also possible that the stray Mathias could be a son of John
> Chronister the Revolutionary War soldier and a brother to William.
>
> I agree with you that there is most likely a second and heretofore
> unidentified Mathias Chronister. I think the possibility of this other
> Mathias being a son of Revolutionary War James Chronister is good.
> We know
> from census reports that there were other males in his household.
> Sons?
> Nephews? We may never know absolutely.
>
> What if there were two Mathiases in Cape Girardeau Co., MO? If so,
> it seems
> more likely to me that the one who may have disappeared from the
> records was
> the son of James and the one who remained was his cousin, the son
> of Adam.
> Mathias the son of Adam went home to Rutherford Co., TN after his
> military
> service as your research indicates, but that doesn't preclude his
> later
> migration to SE Missouri where many of his extended family lived.
>
> I'm not convinced that the Mathias Chronister in Wayne Co., MO 1830
> is the
> son of James, although this was my first theory many years ago. At
> present,
> I believe that this Mathias was the son of Adam the Elder. This is
> just a
> theory, not a conclusion. I propose this possibility because an Adam
> Chronister married Hannah Scaggs, 7 Jul 1833, Cape Girardeau Co.,
> MO. In
> 1850 Hannah Cronister, age 65, is listed in the household of Elijah
> Jett and
> family. If this is the wife/widow of Adam, then one could reason
> that after
> the death of Adam the Elder's first wife in TN, he moved to MO to
> be near
> other family members, including proposed son, Mathias. However, we
> have no
> record of which I am aware that gives the age of the Adam who
> married Hannah
> Scaggs. I suppose this Adam could also be the "missing Adam" from PA.
>
> Another thought...what if James the Revolutionary Soldier is not
> the son of
> Mathias and Elisabetha but the son of John? The only concrete tie
> we have
> between James and Mathias is that James was confirmed in the same time
> period by the same minister that officiated at the confirmation of
> Anna
> Maria, the only proven child of Mathias and Elisabetha.
>
> It has been assumed that the older male and female in the household
> of Adam
> Chronister in 1790 are Mathias and Elisabetha. I'm not so sure I go
> with
> that theory anymore. You found traces of Mathias in land records in
> TN in a
> time period that would eliminate the two younger Mathiases as
> possibilities.
> What if Mathias and Elisabetha moved westward and left Adam behind
> (temporarily?) in NC? What if the older male in Adam's household
> was Adam,
> himself, and that he was born Johann Adam Kranester? What if there
> is an
> "elder" Adam the Elder?
>
> I'm not claiming or proclaiming anything here, just trying to think
> out of
> the box. I would welcome discussion from you or any of the other
> Chronister
> researchers on the list.
> Debra
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peggy K. Reeves [mailto:peg@reevesweb.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 8:49 AM
> To: CHRONISTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [CHRONISTER] Martin Chronister
>
> I looked at a published compilation of records called: "Missouri
> Genealogical Records and Abstracts", Volume 5: 1755-1839, by
> Sherida K.
> Eddlemon. In it, the author transcribes the early tax lists of MO.
>
> The following Chronisters are listed under: "Cape Girardeau County:
> Combined Land and Property, 1821-1822-1823":
>
> Abraham
> Daniel
> Martin
> Matthias
> James
>
> Has anyone found any other records for this person? The fact that
> he was of
> taxable age in the early 1820s would make him a contemporary of either
> Revolutionary James or his sons.
>
> Peggy Reeves
>
>
>
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Peggy, this is interesting. Who is Martin Chronister?
1) Can this be the "other" Mathias Chronister that you found in the military
records?
2) Is it possibly a misspelling and duplication of the known Mathias in Cape
Girardeau Co., MO?
3) Could this be a brother to James Chronister? It is logical to think that
Mathias the Elder and Elisabetha had more than two sons, given the age
spread of their known children.
4) Could this be a son of James Chronister the Revolutionary soldier?
5) It is also possible that the stray Mathias could be a son of John
Chronister the Revolutionary War soldier and a brother to William.
I agree with you that there is most likely a second and heretofore
unidentified Mathias Chronister. I think the possibility of this other
Mathias being a son of Revolutionary War James Chronister is good. We know
from census reports that there were other males in his household. Sons?
Nephews? We may never know absolutely.
What if there were two Mathiases in Cape Girardeau Co., MO? If so, it seems
more likely to me that the one who may have disappeared from the records was
the son of James and the one who remained was his cousin, the son of Adam.
Mathias the son of Adam went home to Rutherford Co., TN after his military
service as your research indicates, but that doesn't preclude his later
migration to SE Missouri where many of his extended family lived.
I'm not convinced that the Mathias Chronister in Wayne Co., MO 1830 is the
son of James, although this was my first theory many years ago. At present,
I believe that this Mathias was the son of Adam the Elder. This is just a
theory, not a conclusion. I propose this possibility because an Adam
Chronister married Hannah Scaggs, 7 Jul 1833, Cape Girardeau Co., MO. In
1850 Hannah Cronister, age 65, is listed in the household of Elijah Jett and
family. If this is the wife/widow of Adam, then one could reason that after
the death of Adam the Elder's first wife in TN, he moved to MO to be near
other family members, including proposed son, Mathias. However, we have no
record of which I am aware that gives the age of the Adam who married Hannah
Scaggs. I suppose this Adam could also be the "missing Adam" from PA.
Another thought...what if James the Revolutionary Soldier is not the son of
Mathias and Elisabetha but the son of John? The only concrete tie we have
between James and Mathias is that James was confirmed in the same time
period by the same minister that officiated at the confirmation of Anna
Maria, the only proven child of Mathias and Elisabetha.
It has been assumed that the older male and female in the household of Adam
Chronister in 1790 are Mathias and Elisabetha. I'm not so sure I go with
that theory anymore. You found traces of Mathias in land records in TN in a
time period that would eliminate the two younger Mathiases as possibilities.
What if Mathias and Elisabetha moved westward and left Adam behind
(temporarily?) in NC? What if the older male in Adam's household was Adam,
himself, and that he was born Johann Adam Kranester? What if there is an
"elder" Adam the Elder?
I'm not claiming or proclaiming anything here, just trying to think out of
the box. I would welcome discussion from you or any of the other Chronister
researchers on the list.
Debra
-----Original Message-----
From: Peggy K. Reeves [mailto:peg@reevesweb.com]
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 8:49 AM
To: CHRONISTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CHRONISTER] Martin Chronister
I looked at a published compilation of records called: "Missouri
Genealogical Records and Abstracts", Volume 5: 1755-1839, by Sherida K.
Eddlemon. In it, the author transcribes the early tax lists of MO.
The following Chronisters are listed under: "Cape Girardeau County:
Combined Land and Property, 1821-1822-1823":
Abraham
Daniel
Martin
Matthias
James
Has anyone found any other records for this person? The fact that he was of
taxable age in the early 1820s would make him a contemporary of either
Revolutionary James or his sons.
Peggy Reeves
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I looked at a published compilation of records called: "Missouri Genealogical Records and Abstracts", Volume 5: 1755-1839, by Sherida K. Eddlemon. In it, the author transcribes the early tax lists of MO.
The following Chronisters are listed under: "Cape Girardeau County: Combined Land and Property, 1821-1822-1823":
Abraham
Daniel
Martin
Matthias
James
Has anyone found any other records for this person? The fact that he was of taxable age in the early 1820s would make him a contemporary of either Revolutionary James or his sons.
Peggy Reeves
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source: The Evening Sun - Hanover, PA 3-6-2006
Deceased: Chronister Sr., Frank A. (OBIT PA 3-6-2006)
Age: 76
Last Address: Hanover, PA
Death date: 3-3-2006
Birth date: 9-19-1929
Birth place: East Berlin, PA
No relation to the deceased
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