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William J.Chronister married to Betsy Kinder in 1867. Do any of you William J. Chronister ancestors have information of any kind as to who his father was. I would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks, Mary Lou Reed
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William M. chronister married to Margaret Napier in 1867
Do any of you ancestors of William M. Chronister have information of any kind, as to who his father was. I would appreciate hearing from you.
Thanks Mary Lou Reed
I can assure anyone that James Madison Chronister's wife, Charolette Cilisie
Smith,
did not have any Native American Blood in her or her family.. And I believe
that James
filed under his wife's name saying she did but did not supply any infor. on
his family.
The reason he was turned down.
Charolette Silisie Smith, was my ggrandfather's sister.
Trecia
Jeri,
If your local library participates in interlibrary loan, there is another
application you might want to look at. James Madison's son, Joseph H.
Chronister, also has one. His application is #42387, and it is roll #325.
The only other Chronister is Arthur, who we have discussed on this list
before. His was approved because his wife was half Cherokee.
I don't know if the women that James and Joseph married had native american
blood or not, but they weren't applying under their wives' families. They
both applied as Cherokees using the Chronister lineage, which is why both
applications were denied. The ancestry of their wives does not appear on
the applications.
Guion Miller apps have a lot of information. I wish my ancestors had filled
some out!
Peg
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Thanks for the site. I am on the western edge of Arkansas, about 250 miles from Dallas/Fort Worth. We have a small genealogy section in our library. I will see if they can access that record. Jeri
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Also Peggy, I just made note of the fact that
William J. Chronister swore in the affidavit on Jesse Sides that he was born in MO, Have you found any land information or other information aside from the census on William M. Chronister where he said that he was born in AR? I wish I could agree with you but I still can't. These men were so intertwined, they were born almost the same year. they died the same year, married the same year , maybe in the same county, I am sure they are cousins, their fathers died about the same time. I am just looking for the truth whatever it may be.
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Peggy, you are also free to disagree with me. Is there something in the source documents that you have not posted that is germaine to this discussion. You say that the crux of your proof is that William J. Chronister lived in Pope Co for 20 years prior to 1888. How does that prove that he is the son of Azariah? We also know that William M Chronister lived in Pope Co from 1867 - about 1878 or 79 when he moved to Conway Co. We also know that he is the one who has always, except once in the year before he died, been said to have been born in AR as was the William in Azariah's family in the 1850 and 1860 census.
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Jeri, The following link will take you to a page with information about purchasing copies of the Guion Miller Index and Applications from the National Archives Branch in Fort Worth.
There is also a link to Heritage Quest which provides interlibrary loan service.
http://www.archives.gov/facilities/tx/fort_worth/finding_aids/native_amer...
Even better, if you are close to Fort Worth and can do your research at the Archives.
Debra
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Mary Lou, you are free to disagree with us. I am satisfied with our proof and the documents that we used for it. We posted it so that others with an interest in these families can look at the public records that we cited and draw their own conclusions.
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How do I get that microfilm? I live in a small community with little access to research materials. I was told that Adam's sons had applied to be on the Cherokee roles and were turned down. I wondered what maternal line could have been Cherokee. If you can tell me how to accesss the microfilm I would really appreciate it. Jeri
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I would like a copy. My address is 1109 Maple Ave., Mena, AR 71953. Would you like me to send you a stamp? Jeri
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Everyone should read the proof that Peggy and Debbie wrote. They did not cite anything from a courthouse or land record that can prove that William J. is Azariah's son. The records just state where he was at what time. William M. Chronister was also living in Pope County in 1867. No he did not live next to Jesse Sides for 20 years. Living next to Jesse Sides doesnot prove that who the father is. In all but the 1910 Census that William J. Chronister appear in he was said to be born in MO. In all but the 1910 Census that William M. Chronister appear in he was said to be born in AR. Yes the Census does have errors but the closer to the date of birth that the Census was taken the more likely it is to be true. William Chronister born in 1850 to Azariah was said to be born in AR. He was 1 at the time, I would imagine that an adult gave his place of birth.
Debra, You are correct in your thinking that just the two census would
not be enough evidence. I am using all the census plus looking at all
neighbors and their wives, plus the Napier papers at the Russelville
Library, plus family history. Both men who we are considering were in
Pope County in 1867, both are related to the Kinders, and Crites. We
have William M's marriage for him and the tax record for William J.
Chronister to prove they were both in Pope Co. in 1867. Now William J.
is the only one who could say he knew Jesse Sides for 20 years, but
that is because he lived close to or in the vicinity of Jesse since
1868-1888, that does not make him Azariah's son. Another thing to
consider is their social status. William M. Chronister married
Margaret Napier. Her family and his appears to have had more personal
property. He became a Merchant, his son was a Merchant and Adam whom I
believe was his brother became a Merchant. Adam was a witness to
William M's will. William J. Chronister was a farmer and did not
appear to be very prosperous. I think you and Peggy are using the
evidence you have accumulated and evaluated and are forming an
incorrect conclusion. Take another look at it with a clear mind , put
in the census evidence it begins to show another picture. Include all
the evidence from Jackson Co. James Adam Chronister;s information, the
naming patterns of William J and William M. The 1870 census showing
Nancy, Islom and Mary in Pope County. William M. could absolutely be
the son of Azariah and I believe he is.
Mary Lou
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> Jeri,
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> I have a copy of James C. Chronister and Charlotte C Smith's
> marriage record. If you would care for a copy. They were
> md. Aug. 3 1867 and it was filed and recorded Oct 17, 1867.
> I got the copy from Christian Co. MO. Court House as they md. in
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> Mary Lou, I agree with you, any position one takes can be argued.
> However, when all the accumulated evidence is evaluated using sound
> genealogical research principles, there is only person who fits all
> criteria to be William, son of Azariah, and that is William J. of the
> Oak Grove Community in Moreland Twp.
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> Re: your contention that Peg's conclusion #7 is inaccurate. If one
> takes only the 1850 and 1860 census reports, it is true that a strong
> argument could be made for either to be the son of Azariah G.
> Chronister, but that would mean ignoring large amounts of evidence in
> order to make selected facts fit a pre formed conclusion.
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> If additonal information has been discovered that proves me wrong in
> this case, I will change my position because I definitely do not want
> to perpetuate inaccurate research findings and faulty data.
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Mary Lou, I agree with you, any position one takes can be argued. However, when all the accumulated evidence is evaluated using sound genealogical research principles, there is only person who fits all criteria to be William, son of Azariah, and that is William J. of the Oak Grove Community in Moreland Twp.
Re: your contention that Peg's conclusion #7 is inaccurate. If one takes only the 1850 and 1860 census reports, it is true that a strong argument could be made for either to be the son of Azariah G. Chronister, but that would mean ignoring large amounts of evidence in order to make selected facts fit a pre formed conclusion.
If additonal information has been discovered that proves me wrong in this case, I will change my position because I definitely do not want to perpetuate inaccurate research findings and faulty data.
Debra
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Jeri,
I have a copy of James C. Chronister and Charlotte C Smith's
marriage record. If you would care for a copy. They were
md. Aug. 3 1867 and it was filed and recorded Oct 17, 1867.
I got the copy from Christian Co. MO. Court House as they md. in Christian Co. MO.
Jeri,
what relative did you descend from Thomas Jefferson? he is also my gg
grandfather. Cheryl
In a message dated 5/9/2005 6:05:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
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James was the sixth son of Adam and Tinzy Garrison Chronister. He was born
2-24-l843 in Sugar Loaf Township, Crawford (Sebastian) County, AR. At age
12 they moved to Six Mile Township of Franklin County AR. His father died in
l859 and James lived with Tinzy in Six Mile Township until the outbreak of
the Civil War in l861. On 7-10-l861 James became the first in his family to
enlist in the Confederate Army. He served in Company B., the 156th Regiment of
the Arkansas Infantry until 7-4-1863 when he was captured at the battle of
Vicksburg, MS. He was paroled four days later on 7-8-63 at whch time he
returned to his family and settled Sugar Loaf Township in Sebastian County. In or
about l866 he married Charlotta Cilisie Smith who was born in l851. There
children were: Martha Ann b. 6-1-l867; Tinzy Isabelle Chronister b. 1-7-l871;
Almeda Elizabeth b. 2-12-l875 who married John F. Vineyard 11-20-l873;
Rosetta b. 12-20--l878, Joseph Hiram b. 10-21-1883 and William Washingto!
n b. 3-31-l891. After his marriage James continued to farm in Sugar Loaf
Township where he received a farm grant in l871 in Section 29, Township 4,
Range 32 and farmed it until about l873 when he and his family accompanied his
older brother Henry and his family about 130 miles west into the unsettled
wilderness of the Indian Territory and settled in the Chickasaw Nation. This
region later became part of the Seminold and Pontotoc Counties in Oklahoma where
James lived until his death on 2-9-l908 at the age of 64. He is buried in
the Cedar Grove Cemetery close to FRancis, OK. Charlotta died in l934 at the
age of 83 in Pushmataha County, OK.
I am a descendant of Thomas Jefferson Chronister, the eldest son of Adam and
Tinzy.
Hope this helps. Jeri
Thanks Jeri,
for the information you gave on Chronister & Smith. I rec'd it both on the
Message
Boards and the Digest.
Trecia
researcher of Smith's & Chronister's.
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We did err in saying that William Jackson Chronister lived in Pope County all of his life, but he did live there for 20 years prior to 1888, as he himself stated, and that is the crux of the proof.
Our conclusions about the parentage of William Jackson Chronister are sound and obvious to anyone who looks at the source documents that we cited in the proof.
Census is contradictory and notoriously full of errors and guesses. That is why we consulted a variety of land and courthouse records, all of which agree and conclusively prove Azariah as William J.'s father.
If anyone has other source documents that disagree with those noted in our proof, please bring them to light.
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#5 of Peggy's proof is incorrect. She gave me permission to correct it. William Jackson Chronister did not live in Pope County all of his life. He is thought to be the William Chronister in Perry County in the 1910 Census. William M. Chronister had a son William J. who lived in Pope Co in 1900 and later.
#7 of Peggy's proof is incorrect. I am correcting it my self. William J. Chronister first appeared in the 1870 Census in Pope Co. and he was born in MO. Only the 1910 Census stated he was born in AR.
There is no proof that the William in 1850 and 1860 Census is William J or William M. It can be argued either way.
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James Madison Chronister, son of Adam and Tinzey, filed a Guion Miller application in 1907. In it, he had to give details of his family, including his parents, grandparents, siblings, and children.
The place of birth that James Madison lists for himself and for some of his children differs from what the Chronister book says. The birth years of his children also differ. Other records will need to be consulted to see where the discrepancy lies.
James Madison's rejected Guion Miller application is #42299 and is on National Archives microfilm M-1104 "Eastern Cherokee Applications of the U.S. Court of Claims, 1906-1090", roll #324.