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In the published German church records of Pennsylvania, "York County, Pennsylvania Church Records of the 18th Century" Volume II, compiled and edited by Marlene Strawser Bates and F. Edward Wright, published by Family Line Publications of Westminster, Maryland, I find the following:
(pg. 271) "Catharine Kroninger of John and Margaret, born March 3, 1800, baptized -----"
This appeared in the records of the Christ Evangelical Lutheran Church, in the City of York, also known as "Wolf's Church". This is the same church where we also find the following record:
(pg. 175) "Anna Maria Cranister of Matheis (Lutheran) and Elizabeth (Catholic) born 7 A.M., September 6, 1761, baptized October 18, 1761 at Carlisle, on the Bermudian".
This is the one and only Matheis Chronister who moved to NC, attending the very same church as a Kroninger family. We also find Kroningers in NC. Coincidence?
Peggy Reeves
Burtonsville, MD
Becky and Betty,
I have not done any research with Cloningers or Croningers, either, but I don't think it can be ignored. In searching Chronisters, I have found these people living practically next door to Chronisters in AR, TN, NC, and PA. I think at the very least, they were "traveling buddies" who were both involved in that migration from PA to NC in the late 1700s.
I have found Croninger or Cloninger (can't remember which) on a ships' passenger list. I didn't copy it at the time, because I said: "Nah, not a Chronister". Now I am rethinking that, and might have to check into it again. Our immigrant Chronister came in at Philadelphia, and so did the Cloninger/Croninger that I found, though not on the same ship. I'm wondering if they were relatives, neither of them speaking english very well, who were each told how their name should be spelled in English when they got here, by different clerks who heard the name differently. The German alphabet is different, after all, and these men would not intuitively know how their names might be spelled in English. We already know, from the will of Johannes Chronister, that he signed his name as: "John Cronester". The inventory of his possessions also shows very poor spelling and broken english.
I think perhaps Chronister and Cloninger/Croninger were related to each other before coming to this country, but it will be difficult to prove or disprove. In the meantime, I hope no one will quote me on this--it is not my desire to start a new myth! I am merely thinking out loud and suggesting some possibilities.
It would be nice to find that Cloninger/Croninger on a passenger list again. Also, there were some Cloninger/Croninger Revolutionary soldiers in NC. One of them was a captain, I believe. We could look into that. The other thing that would be fairly easy to check would be the "Pennsylvania Archives" book series.
Meanwhile, I will continue including these names and other variations in my lists of soldiers that I post. The Mexican War will be next.
Peggy Reeves
Burtonsville, MD
Peggy, I am wondering if the Croningers are really related to the
Chronisters. I live in the area that this Croninger came from and it
doesn't seem to fit with the normal migration pattern for anyone to come
here from York Co. When I first started researching the Chronister line I
tried to find some sort of connection between the two and could not, nor
with the Cloninger, even though the latter were in many of the same places
as the Chronisters.
I just checked the phone book to see if there were still any Croningers in
this area and found Cronin and Cron which could very well be that family.
Next time I am at the historical society I will check in their index and
see if I can find out any more about that family.
Betty
There were a number of different "Indian Wars" between 1792 and 1858. The Indian wars were scattered in different regions, but there certainly were not the number of soldiers that you would find in the Revolution or 1812 or the Civil War. Therefore, there are few Chronisters here. This is all I could find who I thought sounded close enough to "Chronister" to warrant taking a look. Numbers 1, 2, and 4 were from the Army Enlistments microfilm (M-233). Number 3 has a compiled service record as a volunteer soldier, not Regular Army. Numbers 1 & 2, though spelled differently, look like brothers to me, having been born in the same place.
1) KENNESTER, CILLY (or CILLEY) - Recruit, Light Artillery. 5' 8" tall, black eyes, dark hair, dark complexion, age 33. Occupation: Soldier. Town born: Ipsum, NH. Enlisted 13 Dec 1816 in Boston, MA by Lieutenant Morris for 5 years. M.O.R.R. for Dec 1816.
2) KENNISTON, DAVID D. - Private, 2nd Battalion, Company A, Light Artillery. N.D. 5' 8", dark eyes, dark hair, fair complexion, age 24, farmer. Born: Epsam, NH. Enlisted 6 Jul 1817 at Fort Constitution by Captain Walback for 5 years. T.R. Fort Constitution, Aug 31, 1817 to Feb 28, 1818, present. Apr 30 to Jun 30, 1818, present, confined for mutiny, awaiting trial. Book 462, order Jul 25, 1818. Tried by G.C.M. Jul 16, 1818. Charge: Mutiny. Sentenced to be confined at hard labor 11 months. T.R. Aug 31, 1818 to Apr 30, 1819, under sentence of G.C.M. June 30 to Dec 31, 1819, present. Feb 29, 1820, in confinement. Apr 30, 1820 to Feb 28, 1820, G.J.R. Capt F. Whitings Co., 1st Artillery Jun 30, 1821 present.
3) CHRONISTER, JAMES - Kirk's Company, 1st Volunteer Mounted Gunmen, West Tennessee, War of 1818.
4) COMMEGER, FRANCES - Age 21, blue eyes, fair hair, fair complexion, 5' 8", born in Newcastle Delaware, Laborer, enlisted 25 Apr 1831 at Newcastle, Delaware by Major Pierce for 5 years, 4th Artillery, D.C. Discharged 25 Apr 1836, expiration of service at Fort Hamilton, NY.
Yes, that's all. Only four. Mexican War will be next, but I have to do a little more hunting on those before I'm ready to post anything.
Peggy Reeves
Burtonsville, MD
We had 6 inches of snow last night, freezing drizzle all day, and a "significant icing event" due in tomorrow. I am stuck in the house because it's too slippery to go out anywhere. I'll be stir crazy after a couple more days of this.
Anybody up for a game of: "Name that Chronister"?
GOOD! I found one more 1812 soldier. This guy was hiding on the "Army Enlistments" microfilm, which covers guys who were in the regular army, as opposed to the state volunteers. I have copied his service record in full:
CRONINGER, JOHN - Corporal, 16th U.S. Infantry under Captain Davenport. 6' 0" tall, "blue or dark" eyes, dark hair and dark complexion. 36 years old, a wheelwright. Born in Northampton Co., PA. Enlisted October 2 (or 8), 1812 at Orweigsburg by Lieutenant Wagley for 18 months. Company book 1812 to 1815: present Apr 12, 1813. Lost at Stony Creek, NC Jun 6, 1813. M.R. & E.R. Ft. Independence Jul 24, 1814. American prisoner of war, captured at Stony Creek, June 6, 1813, arrived at Salem from Halifax under command of Captain George G. Steele, book 569, discharged Aug 7, 1814 as a private, term expired. Also appears as "Kroninger".
I am still wondering if "Croninger" and "Chronister" have any connections. If anyone has found any, I'd love to hear about it. The Croningers and Cloningers and Conatsers seem to be in all of the same places as our Chronisters.
Peggy Reeves
Burtonsville, MD
The Reverend Johann G. ARENDS(b.1740) was a pioneer Lutheran Minister in North Carolina and served in the counties of Cabarrus, Catawba, Davidson, Guilford, Iredell, Lincoln, Rowan and Stokes. He founded several churches His account Book, is in the possession of the Archives of the North Carolina Synod (Lutheran Church of America), Salisbury, N.C. (See article in NCGSJ, May 1979, p. 122). In his "Diary," written in German, are several lists of persons, apparently "children or youths," catagorized by gender, who were confirmed into the Lutheran Church from 1775 to 1791 inclusive. Sometimes complete dates were shown for these ceremonies, but other times only the year was written, however the name of the church where the activity took place is always shown. According to one informed person, confirmations for "children" usually took place as they do today, in their "teens." The following Chronisters are listed.
KRANESTER, Jacob, Aug 1776, South Fork [St. Paul's, Newton]
KRANESTERN, Anna Maria, 1779, Warlich Settlement [possibly Daniel Church, near Lincolnton]
KRANESTERN, Maria Elisabetha, 1779, Warlich Settlement [possibly Daniel Church, near Lincolnton]
[according to one German naming reference, http://www.kerchner.com/germname.htm, consulted the "...stern" suffix was the feminine version of the Chronister surname.]
Anna Maria Chronister, d/o of Mathias and Elizabeth Chronister was baptized 6 Sep 1761, Christ (Wolfe's) Evangelical Lutheran Church, York, PA. She would have been about 18 years-old at the time of her confirmation. Jacob (or James in the Anglicized version) would have been approximately 21 years-old.
Betty. I think the AR History Commission has the book. I have seen it
somewhere. Betty McDougal sent me the pages with Chronister info. You are
right, there isn't a lot. I just wondered if the info on allied families
might make it helpful in looking for the unidentified females. I think I
will wait until I look at it again before buying. Mrs. Eaker is selling this
last printing on an "as-ordered" basis. They are hole punched and in a
binder to make the cost more reasonable. She sent me a flyer of her
publications.
I'll check out the Bollinger Co. site.
Thanks, Debra
I have found this book in several libraries. Actually there are 2
books. The other one is The Shoe Cobblers Kin. I have e-mailed back and
forth with her a little bit. She is often on the Bollinger Co. Site. I
found the books in the St. Louis Pub. Library. I think the County library
has them also. and since the Nat. Gen Soc. Lib. is there now they might
lend them by mail or through interlibrary loan.
There is not a lot on the Chronisters in the books. I could send you the
pages, or put them on this site when I have more time. There is more on
the Earharts, the family of James' wife Susanna. I didn't check out the
Crites.
Lorena sells the books herself. At one point she said she had no more but
she might have reprinted them. She had a new book out about a year
ago. I've forgotten what family that was about. The Shoe Cobblers Kin is
mostly about the Eaker family. The first book is a collection of good
abstracts of deeds and other documents that is very useful if you have a
lot of families in that area. If you would like I can search my old mail
and get her address for you.
Betty Silfies in PA
I have not seen this book, but it looks like the DAR Library has it.
The DAR has an online library catalog, so you can see what is in their
collection. It's very helpful if you plan a trip to D.C.--you can make your
list in advance. Everyone knows what great stuff the LDS Church has at
their library in Salt Lake City, but the DAR Library is often overlooked.
They have a pretty incredible genealogy library! They charge $6.00
admission to the library, but DAR members get in for free.
If you want to search their online catalog, go to:
www.dar.org
Click on the tab across the top that says: "DAR Library". When the next
screen comes up, click on the top left menu item that says: "Online Library
Catalog". That will bring up their search engine. The search engine is a
little touchy sometimes, so I suggest setting it to search for "anything"
that "contains" whatever key words you're looking for. Try putting in
surnames, authors names, and place names. Try stuff like "North Carolina
marriage" or "North Carolina soldiers", or use names of individual counties
instead of states. You'd be amazed what all they have.
In addition to the Chronister family going to North Carolina, there are many
other surnames that appear near the Chronisters in Adams and York Co., PA
that also turn up near the Chronisters in NC. I believe NC was also an
entry point for a large number of Moravians (they were in PA, too). A lot
of the early German church records in PA have been translated and published.
Don't know about NC.
Peggy Reeves
Burtonsville, MD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Debra C. Blackard" <debrablackard(a)centurytel.net>
To: <CHRONISTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:04 PM
Subject: [CHRONISTER] German Speaking People West of the Cawtaba, by Lorena
Eaker
> Does anyone have this book? Mrs. Eaker has detailed many of the intricate
relationships of the Germanic families who settled the frontier of NC in the
late 1700s. I have seen the book but have not used it extensively. I am
thinking of purchasing it but would like to know if others have found it
useful in connecting Kranester/Chronister and allied families in PA and and
their European origins.
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Thanks, Peggy. I'll check the online catalog for some of the names I know to
be associated with the Chronister family. I know the book has limited
information on the Chronister family but hoped it could be of some help in
identifying the unknown daughters of James (Rev War) and Mathias (the
Elder.) Spouses of at least two of Mathias and Elizabeth's daughters have
not been identified, presupposing that Anna Maria and Maria Elizabetha lived
past late adolescence and eventually married. I have three unidentified
females in the household of James and Susannah. Does anyone on the list have
names and spouses for them? The chances are great for these PA-Deutsch
families to have intermarried.
You are right about a group migration. I find those very familiar names in
Adams, Bedford and Lancaster Co., PA when I backtrack my family from NC. I
think it is true that one can't just research a single surname but must look
at neighbors and surrounding community to truly know one's family.
Debra
Does anyone have this book? Mrs. Eaker has detailed many of the intricate relationships of the Germanic families who settled the frontier of NC in the late 1700s. I have seen the book but have not used it extensively. I am thinking of purchasing it but would like to know if others have found it useful in connecting Kranester/Chronister and allied families in PA and and their European origins.
Sorry, I gave you everything I have on the DDD. Apparently there was a
separate schedule for each of the seven catagories. It is fairly
unbelieveable that the DDD isn't mentioned in either the Archives' reference
book or The Source. Maybe someone on the list has other comprehensive source
references who can help us.
Debra
Oh, sorry I wasn't more specific. I know about the mortality schedules and
agricultural census, I was asking about the DDD census. That's what I
hadn't heard of. Surely that must be on microfilm, too? If I have the
microfilm record number, I can find it easily. I'm surprised that the
National Archives reference book mentions this but doesn't give any details
about it.
Thanks for the detailed information!
Peggy Reeves
Burtonsville, MD
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From: "Debra C. Blackard" <debrablackard(a)centurytel.net>
To: <CHRONISTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 2:37 PM
Subject: [CHRONISTER] Other Resources
> Peggy from MD,
>
> The Mortality Schedules are found on NARA mcfm as following according to
> "The Source." AR, CA, District of C, GA, LA, and TN T655; PA on T956; KS
and
> KY on roll T1130; VA on T1132; TX and UT on 1134; WA on T1154; IL and
IN
> are on T1156; OH T1159; MI T163; MA T1204; NC GR1; MT GR6; VT GR7; and NJ
> GR21.
>
> Most of these schedules are shown to be available in the various state
> archives or historical society and the majority of them are available at
the
> DAR Library in DC. Some of them are available from the Family History
> Library and some have been printed and indexed.
>
> The DDD census for AR can be found in manuscript form (six volumes that
> include other special schedules) at the U of A Library in Fayetteville, AR
> and on microfilm at the Arkansas History Commission. The Johnson Co.
> information is available on microfilm at the Johnson Co. Public Library in
> Clarksville.
>
> I found information on this special schedule in an article printed in the
> Johnson County Historical Society Journal, Oct 1993, pp. 1-3. Patricia
> Rowbotham secured a copy of the Johnson Co. schedule and abstracted it for
> printing in the Journal. No information was given on the location of the
> schedule for other states. An article on this subject by Ruth Land Hatten,
> CGRS was published in the National Genealogical Society Quarterly, Vol.
80,
> No. 1, Mar 1992, pp 57-70. No information was found in "The Source"
> regarding the DDD census.
>
>
> Does "The Source" give any more specifics?
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Peggy from MD,
The Mortality Schedules are found on NARA mcfm as following according to
"The Source." AR, CA, District of C, GA, LA, and TN T655; PA on T956; KS and
KY on roll T1130; VA on T1132; TX and UT on 1134; WA on T1154; IL and IN
are on T1156; OH T1159; MI T163; MA T1204; NC GR1; MT GR6; VT GR7; and NJ
GR21.
Most of these schedules are shown to be available in the various state
archives or historical society and the majority of them are available at the
DAR Library in DC. Some of them are available from the Family History
Library and some have been printed and indexed.
The DDD census for AR can be found in manuscript form (six volumes that
include other special schedules) at the U of A Library in Fayetteville, AR
and on microfilm at the Arkansas History Commission. The Johnson Co.
information is available on microfilm at the Johnson Co. Public Library in
Clarksville.
I found information on this special schedule in an article printed in the
Johnson County Historical Society Journal, Oct 1993, pp. 1-3. Patricia
Rowbotham secured a copy of the Johnson Co. schedule and abstracted it for
printing in the Journal. No information was given on the location of the
schedule for other states. An article on this subject by Ruth Land Hatten,
CGRS was published in the National Genealogical Society Quarterly, Vol. 80,
No. 1, Mar 1992, pp 57-70. No information was found in "The Source"
regarding the DDD census.
Does "The Source" give any more specifics?
Peggy, Another good thing (which you already know) about the later Poll Tax
Lists, including the 1890, is that it places your ancestor in a school
district. This helps narrow down the location of residence if he does not
own real property.
Debra
> I found in the Archives in Little Rock a 1890 Johnson County, Arkansas
> taxpayer roll. I was looking for the foster father of Jesse Danner/Jack
D.
> Underwood who married Rebecca Chronister. His foster father was J. P.
> Underwood, and I found him in the 1890 tax roll. Peggy Carey
Does anyone have the info on these records?
Arkansas Census, 1819-70
Name: THOMAS CHRONISTER
State: AR
County: Crawford County
Township: Sugar Loaf Township
Year: 1850
Record Type: Federal Population Schedule
Page: 274
Database: AR 1850 Federal Census Index
THOMAS P. CHRONISTER
State: AR
County:Franklin County
Township: Six Mile Township
Year:1860
Record Type: Federal Population Schedule
Page: 378
Database: AR 1860 Federal Census Index
THOMAS CHRONISTER
State: AR
County: Sebastian County
Township: Sugar Loaf Twp
Year: 1870
Record Type: Federal Population Schedule
Page: 156
Database: AR 1870 Federal Census Index
THOMAS CHRONISTER
State: AR
County: Sebastian County
Township: Sugar Loaf Twp
Year: 1870
Record Type: Federal Population Schedule
Page: 157
Database: AR 1870 Federal Census Index