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Debra Blackard
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> Are messages on the Chronister mailing list archived some where. If
> so would someone send the url address. Thanks Mary Lou Reed
>
>
Debra,
I went to the DAR Library yesterday and looked at the books you had
mentioned, along with some others. All of your conclusions are valid, and
I'd like to make a few other points...
1) John Chronister/Cronister was definitely a Revolutionary soldier, and
was granted bounty land warrant #1139 for his service, which was good for
640 acres in Tennessee. John did not live to apply for the land that was
due to him. William Chronister applied for it as the legal representative
of the heirs of John Chronister. Some book abstracts say it was William who
was the private in the Revolution, but those are incorrect because they list
the same warrant number, 1139, which was definitely for JOHN. If William
had gotten land for his own service, he would have been issued a different
warrant number that would be solely his.
2) Gary Chronister is incorrect in his book when he states that William was
"granted land in NC for his services". NO NC soldiers were granted land in
NC for their services! All bounty land warrants that NC handed out were
good for land in TN, not in NC. Warrant #1139 was made out to William, but
it was not for William's servcie. (You can read about the various bounty
land service requirements for the different states in the book:
"Revolutionary War Bounty Land Grants Awarded by State Governments", by
Lloyd DeWitt Bockstruck).
4) William was acting on behalf of the "heirs of John Chronister". This is
exciting, because in order to transact John's business, William would have
needed proper legal authority, being named as John's representative either
by John's will or by order of the Orphan's Court if John died intestate.
The state of NC would NOT have issued John's bounty land warrant to William
unless they had received appropriate affidavits naming ALL of the living
heirs of John, and his relationship to each of them! There is going to be
either a will or court records somewhere naming John as the legal
representative.
5) John's warrant was assigned to Jason Thompson. That means William sold
the warrant for cash to some unrelated third party in order to liquidate
John's assets to divvy up between all of the heirs. This was very common.
Most soldiers sold their warrants to others who were interested in moving
west.
I'll throw another comment in on this, too... If you can get that document
that names the heirs, John's parents might be among them. I mean, 1784 was
very young for a Revolutionary soldier to die--he only lived a few years
after the war was over. It is quite possible that he was a young soldier
who never married and had children, possibly naming his parents and siblings
as his only heirs.
Maybe John was a brother of William. It makes no sense to me that Matthias
and Elizabeth Chronister only had five children, with a 10 year gap between
them at one point. Those court documents should tell the story one way or
the other.
This is definitely BIG news that has BIG possibilities!
Does anyone know any more about this? Has anyone sent away for that bounty
land file or the court records?
Peggy Reeves
Burtonsville, MD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Debra C. Blackard" <blackard(a)cswnet.com>
To: <CHRONISTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 8:22 AM
Subject: [CHRONISTER] William Chronister
> Dear List, I am forwarding my reply to Peggy in Maryland to the list since
she responded to the list and also because there are so many of the members
are from the Southern Chronister line. Juanita, do I have your permission to
respond to your email re Young Mathias on list? I think this will be of
interest to a great many of the listers. DCB
> ====
>
> Peggy, The following paragraph is excerpted from Gary A. Chronister's, The
Chronister Family, 1984, Part II, page 128.
> "William Chronister - the second son of Matthias and Elizabeth
Chronister probably born in the early 1750's in Pennsylvania. The only
record preserved mentioning him is of his service as a private in North
Carolina during the Revolutionary War. On August 2, 1784 he was granted land
in North Carolina for his services but no record can be found of him after
this date suggesting that he died before 1790."
>
> Your question> What "military record" does Gary cite for William?
>
> He indicates that there is a record but does not cite source
documentation. As you mention, William is not found on any pensioner's list,
nor has he been found in Lincoln Co., NC church, marriage, or deed records.
This seems highly significant to me. If he is the son of Mathias and
Elizabeth Chronister, why is he missing from all records in their county of
residence?
>
> > Do you have a pension or bounty land number for William? What citation
do you have?
>
> Here is the information I have with the sources of each.
>
> 1) Tennessee Land Entries, Military Bounty Land, Martin Armstrong's
Office, Part 1, Location book (#3138-4839), p. 58, Dr. A. B. Pruitt, 1996.
2nd page 70, 662. warrant 1139; location 3807; July. 4, 1788 Jason
Thompson, assignee of Jno Cronester of Wm. Cronester, 540 ac on waters of
Little Harpeth [R] and Mill Cr; border: joins a preemption of Andrew
Crockett and William Collins and joins Jeseph Ferrebb & Green [or Gran]
Hill.
>
> 2)North Carolina Grants in Tennessee, p. 156, Betty Goff Cook
Cartwright, ca. 1958.
> Jason Thompson, III 832, assigned by heirs of John Cronister.
>
> 3) The Hidden Revolutionary War Land Grants in the Tennessee Military
Reservtion, p. 11, Shirley Hollis Rice.
> Warrant 1139, John Cronister, grantee; assigned to Jason Thompson,
Book/Page B:90.
>
> There is no known relationship between Jason Thompson and John Cronister.
It appears that Thompson bought several claims from various groups of heirs.
>
> Synopsis
> 1) John Chronister was a Revolutionary War veteran.
> 2) John Chronister was deceased by 1784.
> 3) There was more than one heir to John Chronister's estate.
> 4) William Chronister was the administrator of John's estate by 1784.
> 5) John Chronister's land grant was assigned to Jason Thompson.
>
> I would be interested in hearing from you regarding these conclusions.
> Debra
>
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Dear List, I am forwarding my reply to Peggy in Maryland to the list since she responded to the list and also because there are so many of the members are from the Southern Chronister line. Juanita, do I have your permission to respond to your email re Young Mathias on list? I think this will be of interest to a great many of the listers. DCB
====
Peggy, The following paragraph is excerpted from Gary A. Chronister's, The Chronister Family, 1984, Part II, page 128.
"William Chronister - the second son of Matthias and Elizabeth Chronister probably born in the early 1750's in Pennsylvania. The only record preserved mentioning him is of his service as a private in North Carolina during the Revolutionary War. On August 2, 1784 he was granted land in North Carolina for his services but no record can be found of him after this date suggesting that he died before 1790."
Your question> What "military record" does Gary cite for William?
He indicates that there is a record but does not cite source documentation. As you mention, William is not found on any pensioner's list, nor has he been found in Lincoln Co., NC church, marriage, or deed records. This seems highly significant to me. If he is the son of Mathias and Elizabeth Chronister, why is he missing from all records in their county of residence?
> Do you have a pension or bounty land number for William? What citation do you have?
Here is the information I have with the sources of each.
1) Tennessee Land Entries, Military Bounty Land, Martin Armstrong's Office, Part 1, Location book (#3138-4839), p. 58, Dr. A. B. Pruitt, 1996. 2nd page 70, 662. warrant 1139; location 3807; July. 4, 1788 Jason Thompson, assignee of Jno Cronester of Wm. Cronester, 540 ac on waters of Little Harpeth [R] and Mill Cr; border: joins a preemption of Andrew Crockett and William Collins and joins Jeseph Ferrebb & Green [or Gran] Hill.
2)North Carolina Grants in Tennessee, p. 156, Betty Goff Cook Cartwright, ca. 1958.
Jason Thompson, III 832, assigned by heirs of John Cronister.
3) The Hidden Revolutionary War Land Grants in the Tennessee Military Reservtion, p. 11, Shirley Hollis Rice.
Warrant 1139, John Cronister, grantee; assigned to Jason Thompson, Book/Page B:90.
There is no known relationship between Jason Thompson and John Cronister. It appears that Thompson bought several claims from various groups of heirs.
Synopsis
1) John Chronister was a Revolutionary War veteran.
2) John Chronister was deceased by 1784.
3) There was more than one heir to John Chronister's estate.
4) William Chronister was the administrator of John's estate by 1784.
5) John Chronister's land grant was assigned to Jason Thompson.
I would be interested in hearing from you regarding these conclusions.
Debra
Debra, this is great!
I have not found any other Chronisters besides your James in the federal records, but the things you listed would be state records. I'm going to the DAR Library today, where I can look into this a little more. I definitely have some things to add to your conclusions, and I might have more by the end of the day!
Peggy Reeves
Burtonsville, MD
Debra,
What "military record" does Gary cite for William? I am not aware of any Revolutionary Chronister soldier named William. The only one who was pensioned by the feds was your James.
Do you have a pension or bounty land number for William? What citation do you have?
Peggy Reeves
Burtonsville, MD
Dear Chronister List Members:
Several online gedcoms include the information on children of Mathias and
Elisabetha Chronister listed below.
William CHRONISTER b: 1750 in Cumberland Co., Penn
Anna Maria CHRONISTER b: 6 SEP 1761 in Cumberland Co., Penn
James CHRONISTER b: 1751
William CHRONISTER
Eve CHRONISTER b: 1763 in Cumberland Co., Penn
Adam CHRONISTER b: 1768 in Cumberland Co., Penn
For some reason, William is listed twice in several of these compiled data
bases. Does anyone have any information regarding William? Were there two
sons named William, perhaps one dying in infancy? Gary Chronister's book on
the Chronister family cites a military record for William but little else.
Has anyone on the list been successful in finding out more about William and
confirming him as a son of Mathias and Elisabetha.
Debra Blackard