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Okay, yes, very funny. Many of Lewis Chronister's children had Albert as a MIDDLE name, not a maiden name. But all of the Albert names disappeared in print.
Peggy Reeves
Thanks, Betty.
I'll let you know if I find "Eyb" before your trip. I think I saw it
before, too, as the name of some village in Europe. But it was not a
village that I saw this time, it was an immigrant with that name.
So Dr. Yoder has praise for a book that relies completely on the census,
when we all know how erroneous the census is? Unbelievable. Dr. Yoder is
wrong about that, Gary Chronister's book was not done completely from the
census or my line would be somewhat more correct!
My Lewis Chronister had his mother-in-law living with him in two consecutive
censuses. She was listed as being 70 years old in BOTH of them (theres a
testimonial to the accuracy of census records)! Gary could not get the
maiden name of Lewis' wife correct, even with her mother living there with
them for so long and bearing that name--ALBERT, not Kelly, for crying our
loud! Also, the children had Albert for a maiden name, even in the census,
but that name was purged. Gary obviously relied heavily on family stories,
"tweaking" whatever the census said so that it would all somehow fit
together. That is incredibly irresponsible! What's worse is that people
are constantly copying stuff and passing it around saying they have "traced"
their line back to Abraham in some obscure village...but gee, none of them
seem to know how they did it!
I wish someone could answer that question with some source citations.
Future book writers should take notice--do your homework and cite your
sources!
Peggy Reeves
I did run across an Eyb years ago, and I can't remember where. I met Dr.
Yoder several years ago at a genealogical conference in Lancaster where he
was the keynote speaker. I had even called him once with a Chronister
question. He was not very helpful at the time. He did praise Gary
Chronister and his book at the time. He indicated it was done completely
from census records so that is probably why so many mistakes crept
in. I'll see if I can find my reference before I leave in 2 weeks. Let me
know before that if you find the book.
Betty
Peggy, this is something I have heard but never was given a source. What is the name of the work by Dr. Yoder? Is it possible that we could order this from a local FHC?
Debra
My computer had to be unplugged during 2 days of violent thunderstorms here
in PA. I felt very cut off. I also was thrilled to find a mention of
Mathias in Wash. Co TN. Unfortunately this finds me getting ready to pack
for a many week trip out west. Please keep me posted on any
developments. I will be in Salt Lake City in late Sept. and will check and
see if I can find anything there. I won't have much time for research
since I am attending a convention, but maybe I can find something.
Betty
Wow, Debra, thanks! This is fun. I'm glad I've got some real researchers to exchange with. It's a good thing Betty started the ball rolling again. Way to go, Betty!
Here's something else to chew on. Who is this "John Cronester"? (as follows):
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>From the book: "NC Land Grants in TN", by Betty Goff Cook Cartwright, copyright 1958, pg 156, I found:
"Thompson, Jason" (followed by a list of six different parties who assigned their warrants to him, one of them): "III 832, assigned by heirs of John Cronister".
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Then, in the book: "TN Land Entries, Military Bounty Land, Martin Armstrong's Office, Part 1, Location book (#3138-4839)" by Dr. A. B. Pruitt, copyright 1996, I find mention of the same thing on page 58, as follows:
Under the heading "2nd page 70":
"662, warrant 1139; location 3807; Jul 4, 1788 Jason Thompson, assignee of Jno Cronester of Wm Cronester, 640 ac on waters of Little Harpeth [R] and Mill Cr; border: joins a preemption of Andrew Crockett and William Collins and joins Joseph Ferrebee & Green [or Gran] Hill."
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Who are John and William? They are obviously very old if this warrant was assigned in 1788.
Peggy Reeves
Peggy, this is very exciting! Unless the elder Mathias had a son, heretofore
unknown, this seems a good possibility to be Johann Mathias, son of the
Immigrant Johannes Michael Kranister/Chronister. The last information I have
on the elder Mathias Cronister (var sp) is in Lincoln Co., NC, 15 Aug 1787,
when he and his wife, Elisabeth, sold 300 acres to Michael Buff. This is the
same land which Mathias had obtained by grant,
25 Jan 1773, soon after they emigrated from Cumberland Co., PA.
The younger Mathias, son of Adam, was born between 1790 and 1800. He would
definitely not have been entering lands in Tennessee in 1794.
If Mathias is the other male above 16, living in the household of Adam in
the Morgan Dist., Lincoln Co., NC, census, p. 115, maybe he moved to TN with
Adam and his family. I have agreed with the assumption that Mathias died
prior to the 1800 census, but maybe that is also an error. New evidence
requires us to reexamine the old and draw new conclusions if necessary.
Thanks for your informative posts, Debra
Subject: [CHRONISTER] another mention of Matthias
> I found this in the book: "Earliest Tennessee Land Records & Earliest TN
Land History" by Irene M. Griffey, copyright 2000, pg. 152...
>
> "Claimant: Matthias Cronister; File #1147, Assignee: (left blank),
County: Washington; Acres: 320; Grant: 1105; Grant date: 21 Jul 1794; Entry
& Entry date: (left blank); Book: 81; Page: 571; Location by stream name: On
right hand fork of Cobbs Creek; Military: (left blank)"
>
> That is the entire listing. I noticed that the column that asked:
"Military?" only had the response "yes", never no. Apparently they left it
blank if it wasn't a military warrant, because there were many blanks down
the page. I would be confident to say that this Matthias did not receive
this land as the result of any military bounty land warrant.
>
> Peggy Reeves
> Burtonsville, MD
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Here is some general information about military bounty land, which you can see fits in nicely with the migration pattern of the southern Chronisters:
Bounty land was awarded for service in the Revolutionary War. The federal bounty land warrants were awarded in the military district of Ohio, but there were certain states that gave their own bounty land, separate from the federal grants. A soldier in NC was more likely to apply for bounty land from the state, not the feds, because the state of NC was more generous in the number of acres they gave. NC awarded 640 acres to a private (with officers getting more). NC bounty land was given in it's western lands--the place we now know as TN.
When you advance to the War of 1812, bounty land was again given. Early warrants from the War of 1812 were given by the federal government in three different states: IL, MO, and AR. In later years, bounty land warrants could be cashed in for land patents anywhere on the public domain, but for a long time only in those three states.
Hope this is helpful.
Peggy Reeves
Burtonsville, MD
I found this in the book: "Earliest Tennessee Land Records & Earliest TN Land History" by Irene M. Griffey, copyright 2000, pg. 152...
"Claimant: Matthias Cronister; File #1147, Assignee: (left blank), County: Washington; Acres: 320; Grant: 1105; Grant date: 21 Jul 1794; Entry & Entry date: (left blank); Book: 81; Page: 571; Location by stream name: On right hand fork of Cobbs Creek; Military: (left blank)"
That is the entire listing. I noticed that the column that asked: "Military?" only had the response "yes", never no. Apparently they left it blank if it wasn't a military warrant, because there were many blanks down the page. I would be confident to say that this Matthias did not receive this land as the result of any military bounty land warrant.
Peggy Reeves
Burtonsville, MD
Hello, I am looking for information on William and Sarah Duvall
Chronister. I have found them in the 1920 Federal Census Wilson Twp,
Pope County, Arkansas. William was listed as 47, Sarah as 42, Adam
(who was a Hamlin, Sarah's first husband) 24, Cassie 15, Becky 13. He
was born in Arkansas, father and mother born in Arkansas according to
Census. I am trying to find the line he came from. Any help is much
appreciated. Mary lou Reed
Debra,
Have you checked the TN census to see if there is a young Mathias
there? If you haven't I will be in Salt Lake in Sept, or maybe get to
Ancestry in some library before.
Betty
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Old Adam did go to TN and from there on to MO where his brother James had settled. He married a widow, Hannah Scaggs, in MO about 1833. Apparently Adam's son, Matthias, had already settled in the Cape Girardeau area about the same time as James.
I think James Chronister is already in the DAR Patriot Index.
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Thanks to both of you. I just wanted to see if there was any other mention in your files of a younger Mathias because I had none in mine. So Adam had a Mathias who might have gone to MO. Didn't Adam end up in TN? I will have to go back through my files. Does anyone have a record of all his children they could give me?
By the way I just sent a supplemental into the DAR for James Chronister so he will get into the Patriot Index. It may take a couple of years, they have such a backlog.
Yes we will have to figure out who the 3 Mathiases must have been. They all seem to have been from the south so would not have come from the PA branch of the family.
Betty
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Betty, Debra, this is not my line, but I have some data that you might be interested in. Matthias is apparently a well-used first name, and there was more than one in this time period. I found 2 (perhaps 3) different soldiers with this name. The first two are on the index to compiled service records of volunteer soldiers who served during the War of 1812:
1) Matthias Chronister, Private, Davis' Battalion, W. TN Militia
2) Matthias Chronister, Private, 6th Regiment (1814-1815), Mississippi Militia.
There is also a Mathias Chronister on the registers of enlistments in the U.S. Army (meaning a federal regiment) during the 1812 period. That register reads as follows:
3) "Mathias Chronister (?) Private, 39th U.S. Inf. under Col. J. Williams, enlisted 7 Feb 1814 at Fort Strawther by Capt. John Phagan. [Mathias is] 5'10", 25 years old, born in Lincoln Co., NC. Remarks: R. R. Fort Strawther Feb 23, 1814"
It is possible that Mathias Chronister #3 might be the same as one of the other two. Some men served in volunteer regiments and were later recruited to a federal regiment. I can't tell from the limited information available. It's possible these could be three different men.
None of these three would be the 88 year old grandfather, obviously. Sorting them all out will be the fun part!
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Hello, Betty.
Couldn't this be "young" Mathias (son of "old" Adam of Lincoln Co., NC?) There is also a MO newspaper notice in this same time period where Mathias was appointed by the court to appraise some livestock.
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I was recently in Jackson MO and Marble Hill doing research. I was really researching the Revell family, but I did visit the Wayne Cemetary where some of the Chronisters, notably Anderson, are buried. In Jackson they had what must be a fairly newly published book on tax lists from 1817 to the 1820s. The book says some of the pages are missing in the various years. In the 1822 list I found
Daniel Cronester with 1 dwelling 1 improvement value $100, 2 horses, 2 neat cattle, value $100
Abraham Cronester 1 dwelling 1 improvement worth $20 2 horses 3 neat cattle value $80
Matthias Cronister no house, 1 horse 2 neat cattle value $50
Daniel and Abraham were too young to have a son old enough to be in the tax list. James was not on this list, but some of the c's were missing. Could this possibly be grandfather Matthias who would have been about 88 at the time? I would appreciate some input on this. We have just always assumed that he died before the 1800 census because he is not listed there.
I am the same Betty many of you have corresponded with before, but I have a new address.
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Vanessa, I believe this is the George Chronister buried at the Lower Bermudian Cemetery. The following three graves are side by side: "Chronister, Eli, son of George & Catharine"; "Chronister, Catharine, wife of George Chronister d. Jun 19, 1865, aged 65 years, 10 months, 12 days"; and "Chronister, George d. April 24, 1870".
There are also Spahrs in this cemetery as follows: (these are on the same row): "Spahr, in memory of Mary Spahr b. Nov 29, 1806, d. Jun 24, 1865."; "Spahr, in memory of Lydia Spahr, b. Dec 24, 1802, d. Jun 11, 1865 age 62 years, 5 months, 17 days."; "Spahr, in memory of Peter Spahr b. Apr 7, 1800, d. May 6, 1864 age 64 years, 29 days."; "Spahr, in memory of Samuel Spahr b. Jun 27, 1811, d. Feb 15, 1855, age 13 years, 7 months, 16 days." On the next row, near the same place, is: "Spahr, Edwin P., son of _____(?) and Sarah Spahr d. Feb 12, 1855."
This is from a transcription of headstones in the Lower Bermudian Cemetery, Adams Co., PA, that I did in the summer of 2002. I hope it's helpful.
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>From which branch of Chronisters do you descend? I am from the NC line of Mathias Kranister/Chronister.