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Hello Michael,
Thank you for your reply about the DERBYSHIRE ANCIENT WILLS within the website YESTERDAY'S JOURNEYS.
I wanted to know if similar ancient will websites existed for KENT, HAMPSHIRE, SUSSEX and Maybe CHRISTMAS (AND ITS ANCIENT VARIATIONS).
In answer to your question, Mike, I'm looking for:
CISTEMESSE (tha's right, no 'h' and no 'r' drawn by a King's Herald on a Kent Visitation in the 1200s (Orig in Brit Library) jousting at a tournament with his own coat of arms, which he obviously was allowed to retain beause they turn up later - see belowc Maybe the Herald made an error in spelling his name.
CRISTEMESSE, 1300s around Sutton Valence with his own coat of arms
CRESTEMESSE
CHRISTEMESSE
CHRISTMASS (London merchants with the same coat of arms but with more embellishments)
CRISMASS
CRISTMAS
CHRISTMAS
I look forward to any advice or further help, out here in the Antipodes.
Kind regards,
Ray Christmas in New Zealand,
the country that holds the record in coming 4th in nearly every at the Commonwealth Games now being held in Melbourne, Australia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael spencer" <mike(a)decc9.fsnet.co.uk>
To: "Ray Christmas" <ray.christmas(a)inspire.net.nz>
Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 12:54 AM
Subject: Re: [UK Genealogy] YESTERDAYS JOURNEY
> Hi Ray,
> those are only the surnames done so far. There would have
> course have been others.
> What surnames are you looking for
> The site is an -on-going site regualrly up dated so it may just turn up
> something of interest later..
>
> mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Christmas" <ray.christmas(a)inspire.net.nz>
> To: "Michael spencer" <mike(a)decc9.fsnet.co.uk>
> Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 11:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [UK Genealogy] YESTERDAYS JOURNEY
>
>
>> Dear Mike,
>>
>> It would appear from the recurrence of just a few names in some of the
>> larger parishes that only those mentioned had anything of worth to
>> bequeath to family.
>> For instance the HOPE parish has hundreds of only EYRE, FOX, HILL, HOW,
>> HOWE. Was every other possible name too poor?
>>
>> As you say, this web site is Derbyshire based. Are the similar web sites
>> for other counties, in particular, KENT?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Ray Christmas,
>> New Zealand.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Michael spencer" <mike(a)decc9.fsnet.co.uk>
>> To: <>> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 12:30 AM
>> Subject: [UK Genealogy] YESTERDAYS JOURNEY
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi list,
>>> the above site has recently been updated with various records
>>> covering Settlement,Bastardy,Apprentice,Removal etc.
>>> Derbyshire based it contains many names of folks from other counties who
>>> for one reason or another had a connection ,however tenuous with
>>> Derbyshire.
>>> It may just be your lost Uncle Jack is here. !
>>> Yesterday Journey located at;
>>> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>
>
Does anyone have documented evidence of how Cornelia Dyer and Henry L. Gray got from Madison County, TN to Lowndes County, Mississippi and how Sarah Ann Dyer and Anthony Scruggs got to Mississippi? Thanks for any information or clues.
Dear Diane,
I have just stepped in the door from 6 weeks campervanning around the South
Island, New Zealand, researching my pioneer immigrant families who came here
from SURREY in 1874 by sailing ship.and now that I'm back home in the North
Island, I see your very welcome e-mail about CRESTEMESSE. This explains
the delay in replying to you.
My research has involved 4 trips to UK on CHRISTMAS research, in recent
years and to see my UK friends. I failed to do much basic research when I
worked in the UK for 21 years till 1985. Needless to say, I have huge
regrets for that.
There is a book of King's Herald's Visitations drawings (original and very
closely guarded) in the Brit Library showing CRESTEMESSE jousting against a
PECTHE at a tounament in Kent in about 1243, I thought.
I had 'steeled' myself for possibly having to request copies of all the
parish records and wills for ALL the parishes in KENT to see if I could
trace my family tree back from the point/place in NW Surrey in 1640. A very
expensive exercise.
Being so far back in history, I have the feeling (?)/idea that all
CHRISTMASES eminated from the Kent CRESTEMESSEs, fanning out to Sussex,
Surrey Hampshire and Surrey.
The NORFOLK CHRISTMASSES too, but I haven't thought of tracing along that
'route'
There was another CRESTEMESSE with his effigy on a tomb in the SUTTON
VALENCE CHURCH in Kent.
If you have time to make notes of any other CHRISTMASes (and variations) of
those early years, I would be very grateful if you could please send them to
me.
Kind regards,
Ray Christmas, NZ.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Diane wynne" <thewynnes(a)gmail.com>
To: <KENT-ENG-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 10:31 AM
Subject: [Kent] CHRISTMAS, CHALLONE, CHITTENDEN, DENE plus variations
> Somebody on this list was interested in the name CHRISTMAS
>
> >From the Lay Subsidy Roll of 1334/5 there is
>
> Rd. (Richard?) de Cristemesse in the Hundred of Wyngeham (Wingham)
> Sabina Cristemesse in the Hundred of Hoo
> Luke Cristemesse " " "
> Lambert Cristemesse in the Hundred of Eyhorne (Eythorne)
> Wm. Cristemesse in the Hundred of Westerham
>
> Probably a couple more
>
> Also variations on the name CHALLONER, CHITTEDEN, DENE, ATTE DANE, DEEN
>
> List of people on this roll plus transcriptions of memorials in many
> Kent churches
>
> http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Research/research.htm
>
> Diane
>
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