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Dear GINGER,
Thanks for the information. Maybe the term (proven and true) was incorrect
as I used it. The 1880 census and 1903 Ayers 20th Century Directory and
Chart came from the Oklahoma Historical Society records out at our state
capitol.
The other information came direct to me from my great grandmother Mary
Josephine (Lewandowski) Christmas who died in 1953 while I was still in
highschool. So I quite well remember many conversations with her. This
information was always confirmed by my father LeRoy Barker (grandson) who
lived with them (Edward Jesse and Mary Josephine) until his marriage in
1934. My father, LeRoy died in July of 1992. If I mis-used the term,I
apologise.
I look forward to many new discoveries as we pursue this together. I just
recently got my first computer and knew there were others out there who
might be looking for more information as I am.
Thanks again,"Gay"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ginger" <glxmas(a)ancestraltracks.com>
To: <CHRISTMAS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 7:58 AM
Subject: [CHRISTMAS] Records and documentation
> Food For Thought
>
> There is a class that we try to teach Genealogists that has to do with
> documentation of records. The main focus in this class is to verify
> everything that you get from anyone. The best way to verify is to order
> a copy of the original record and see if the one that was published is
> correct. I have been transcribing records for over 30 years and have
> realized that that is what we need to do with every record including
> Census records. Another note is that the record is only as good as the
> person taking the record. Even in 1930 not everyone could spell and
> would write the way things sounded. Penmanship was another factor. As
> for the multiple marriages that was not uncommon in your Grandmother's
day.
>
> Sadly even transcriptionist have their off days and misspell a name or
> the “original” is hard to read. From what I have been to tell on the
> 1900 census the original form is not what we see today on microfilm. It
> is too neatly put together for a form that was made on the run with the
> limited time allowed to complete the census. The government gave the
> Districts a limited amount of time to complete the census and it was
> unrealistic for the time. About 10% of the people were missed or skipped
> for one reason or another and the handwriting on the census is too even
> to have been done house after house and day after day. Also it explains
> the numbering system on the farms and households. The mistakes that the
> people make in the numbering of these things are because it was done as
> an after fact not on the spot. This would possibly make this document a
> second person document not an original.
>
> As an example my grandfather lived to be 104 and was in only 2 census
> from 1853 to 1930. How dose one get missed so many times?
>
> I transcribe Court Records on the Christmas Family and have learned that
> all the older records are not the original record as the deeds, wills,
> and marriages were only recorded and the original records stayed with
> the person filling them. Then most courts ordered records to be re
> recorded after a certain period of time do to the condition of the
> records. We must remember that these people did not write the records on
> acid free paper with permanent ink.
>
> Something to keep in mind while working on your Genealogy.
>
>
>
> ==== CHRISTMAS Mailing List ====
> Christmas Web Page:http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~research/index.htm
>
Gay, this was found in the 1920-30 census; had to guess at some spellings.
1920 US Census, Lawton, Comanche, OK: Edward Christmas, age 56, born TX -
TX - TX, blacksmith;
wife, Josie, 46, born TX - Germany - Poland; son, Earl, 24, TX - TX - TX,
blacksmith; dau. Stella
Rossetti (WHT: guessing at spelling) 22, married. TX - TX - TX; son, Lloyd,
19, TX - TX - TX,
chauffeur; son, Edward, 17, TX - TX - TX, works in a butcher shop; g-son,
Leroy Barker, 4, OK - MO -
TX.
1930 US Census, Lawton, Comanche, OK: Edward Christmas, age 62, blacksmith;
wife, Josie, 52, TX- Poland
- Poland; dau. Stella Debay (WHT: guessing at spelling) 34, widow; g-son,
Leroy Barler, 15 & g-dau.
Pearl Bresoll (WHT: guessing at spelling) 9, OK - OK - OK.
1930 US Census, Lawton, Comanche, OK: Earl F. Christmas, 35, owner of r.e.,
TX - TX - TX, blacksmith;
wife, Pearl R., 29, OK - LA - TN; Children: Imogene, 9 & Betty, 8. Also
living with them is: Molly
Sanders (WHT: guessing at spelling) 56, widow, mother-in-law, TN - TN - WI
& Ruby M. Pierce, 14,
niece, OK - OK - OK.
Herbert
>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 06:02:31 -0500
>To: CHRISTMAS-L(a)rootsweb.com
>From: Herbert <wht-abt(a)worldnet.att.net>
>Subject: Re: [CHRISTMAS] Seeking info on Edward Jesse Christmas
>
>Hi Gay,
>
>I think H. T. is Henry T. and a little information is on the web page. To
>find it on the web page, go to: Christmas Families we have not been able
>to connect
>and follow the link for James - # 9. The E. P. I have list is probably
>your Eddie Jessie, and I misread the J for a P from the census.
>
>I did find Eddie Jessie listed in the 1920 and 1930 census, and will get
>the info listed tomorrow.
>
>Herbert
>
>At 10:53 PM 1/15/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>>I am seeking more history on Edward Jesse Christmas who came to Lawton,
>>Ok. in 1902. The following is current information that is proven and true.
>>
>> 1880 Census Erath County Texas Roll 1302 Taken June 14, 1880
>>
>> Birth
>> year Name Age Occupation
>> Birthplace Birthplace - Father Birthplace - Mother
>> 1842 Husband H.T.
>> Christmas 38 Farmer Texas Louisiana
>> Louisiana
>
>> 1858 Wife M.J. Christmas 22 Keeps
>> House Texas Georgia Alabama
>>
>> 1868 Son Edward Jesse 12 Works
>> farm Texas Texas Texas
>>
>> 1872 Daughter Mary 8
>> Texas Texas Texas
>
>> Stepdaughter M.A.
>> Stout 5 Texas Texas
>> Texas
>
>> Stepdaughter 4
>> Texas Texas Texas
>
>>
>>1903 Ayers 20th Century Directory and Chart shows the Christmas familiy
>>residing at 1002 "E" Ave.(block 56) in Lawton, Ok.
>>
>>Edward Jesse Christmas owner of a blacksmith shop located at 313 "E",
>>Lawton, Ok.
>>
>>Edward Jesse born 09-22-1868 in Stephenville, Tx.
>> died 06-05 1940 in Lawton, Ok.
>> Married: Mary Josephine Lewandowski
>> born 03-15-1877 in Glen Rose, Tx.
>> died 04-27-1953 in Lawton, Ok.
>>Children
>>
>>Son: Earl Franklin born 11-25-1895 ----Died 19-14-1964 in Lawton,Ok.
>>Daughter: Stella Edith born 02-20-1897----died 10-31-1974 in Lawton, Ok.
>>Son: Arthur born 03-21-1899----died 1899
>> Son:LLoyd born 05-06-1900----died 06-17-1931 in Lawton, Ok.
>>Son:Edward Jesse Jr. born 09-09-1902----died 09-14-1954 in Lawton,Ok.
>>Son:Thomas W. born 06-20-1904----died 12-29-1904 in Lawton, Ok.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>==== CHRISTMAS Mailing List ====
>>Christmas Web Page:http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~research/index.htm
Hi Gay,
I think H. T. is Henry T. and a little information is on the web page. To
find it on the web page, go to: Christmas Families we have not been able to
connect
and follow the link for James - # 9. The E. P. I have list is probably your
Eddie Jessie, and I misread the J for a P from the census.
I did find Eddie Jessie listed in the 1920 and 1930 census, and will get
the info listed tomorrow.
Herbert
At 10:53 PM 1/15/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>I am seeking more history on Edward Jesse Christmas who came to Lawton,
>Ok. in 1902. The following is current information that is proven and true.
>
> 1880 Census Erath County Texas Roll 1302 Taken June 14, 1880
>
> Birth
> year Name Age Occupation Birthplace
> Birthplace - Father Birthplace - Mother
1842 Husband H.T.
Christmas 38 Farmer Texas Louisiana
Louisiana
> 1858 Wife M.J. Christmas 22 Keeps
> House Texas Georgia Alabama
>
> 1868 Son Edward Jesse 12 Works
> farm Texas Texas Texas
>
> 1872 Daughter Mary 8
> Texas Texas Texas
> Stepdaughter M.A.
> Stout 5 Texas Texas
> Texas
> Stepdaughter 4
> Texas Texas Texas
>
>1903 Ayers 20th Century Directory and Chart shows the Christmas familiy
>residing at 1002 "E" Ave.(block 56) in Lawton, Ok.
>
>Edward Jesse Christmas owner of a blacksmith shop located at 313 "E",
>Lawton, Ok.
>
>Edward Jesse born 09-22-1868 in Stephenville, Tx.
> died 06-05 1940 in Lawton, Ok.
> Married: Mary Josephine Lewandowski
> born 03-15-1877 in Glen Rose, Tx.
> died 04-27-1953 in Lawton, Ok.
>Children
>
>Son: Earl Franklin born 11-25-1895 ----Died 19-14-1964 in Lawton,Ok.
>Daughter: Stella Edith born 02-20-1897----died 10-31-1974 in Lawton, Ok.
>Son: Arthur born 03-21-1899----died 1899
> Son:LLoyd born 05-06-1900----died 06-17-1931 in Lawton, Ok.
>Son:Edward Jesse Jr. born 09-09-1902----died 09-14-1954 in Lawton,Ok.
>Son:Thomas W. born 06-20-1904----died 12-29-1904 in Lawton, Ok.
>
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gay Graves "gigi309(a)cox.net
To: <CHRISTMAS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:53 PM
Subject: [CHRISTMAS] Seeking info on Edward Jesse Christmas
> I am seeking more history on Edward Jesse Christmas who came to Lawton,
Ok. in 1902. The following is current information that is proven and true.
>
> 1880 Census Erath County Texas Roll 1302 Taken June 14, 1880
>
> Birth year Name Age Occupation
Birthplace Birthplace - Father Birthplace - Mother
> 1842 Husband H.T. Christmas 38 Farmer
Texas Louisiana Louisiana
>
> 1858 Wife M.J. Christmas 22 Keeps House
Texas Georgia Alabama
>
> 1868 Son Edward Jesse 12 Works farm
Texas Texas Texas
>
> 1872 Daughter Mary 8
Texas Texas Texas
>
> Stepdaughter M.A. Stout 5
Texas Texas Texas
>
> Stepdaughter 4
Texas Texas Texas
>
>
> 1903 Ayers 20th Century Directory and Chart shows the Christmas familiy
residing at 1002 "E" Ave.(block 56) in Lawton, Ok.
>
> Edward Jesse Christmas owner of a blacksmith shop located at 313 "E",
Lawton, Ok.
>
> Edward Jesse born 09-22-1868 in Stephenville, Tx.
> died 06-05 1940 in Lawton, Ok.
> Married: Mary Josephine Lewandowski
> born 03-15-1877 in Glen Rose, Tx.
> died 04-27-1953 in Lawton, Ok.
> Children
>
> Son: Earl Franklin born 11-25-1895 ----Died 19-14-1964 in Lawton,Ok.
> Daughter: Stella Edith born 02-20-1897----died 10-31-1974 in Lawton, Ok.
> Son: Arthur born 03-21-1899----died 1899
> Son:LLoyd born 05-06-1900----died 06-17-1931 in Lawton, Ok.
> Son:Edward Jesse Jr. born 09-09-1902----died 09-14-1954 in Lawton,Ok.
> Son:Thomas W. born 06-20-1904----died 12-29-1904 in Lawton, Ok.
>
>
>
>
>
> ==== CHRISTMAS Mailing List ====
> Christmas Web Page:http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~research/index.htm
>
I am seeking more history on Edward Jesse Christmas who came to Lawton, Ok. in 1902. The following is current information that is proven and true.
1880 Census Erath County Texas Roll 1302 Taken June 14, 1880
Birth year Name Age Occupation Birthplace Birthplace - Father Birthplace - Mother
1842 Husband H.T. Christmas 38 Farmer Texas Louisiana Louisiana
1858 Wife M.J. Christmas 22 Keeps House Texas Georgia Alabama
1868 Son Edward Jesse 12 Works farm Texas Texas Texas
1872 Daughter Mary 8 Texas Texas Texas
Stepdaughter M.A. Stout 5 Texas Texas Texas
Stepdaughter 4 Texas Texas Texas
1903 Ayers 20th Century Directory and Chart shows the Christmas familiy residing at 1002 "E" Ave.(block 56) in Lawton, Ok.
Edward Jesse Christmas owner of a blacksmith shop located at 313 "E", Lawton, Ok.
Edward Jesse born 09-22-1868 in Stephenville, Tx.
died 06-05 1940 in Lawton, Ok.
Married: Mary Josephine Lewandowski
born 03-15-1877 in Glen Rose, Tx.
died 04-27-1953 in Lawton, Ok.
Children
Son: Earl Franklin born 11-25-1895 ----Died 19-14-1964 in Lawton,Ok.
Daughter: Stella Edith born 02-20-1897----died 10-31-1974 in Lawton, Ok.
Son: Arthur born 03-21-1899----died 1899
Son:LLoyd born 05-06-1900----died 06-17-1931 in Lawton, Ok.
Son:Edward Jesse Jr. born 09-09-1902----died 09-14-1954 in Lawton,Ok.
Son:Thomas W. born 06-20-1904----died 12-29-1904 in Lawton, Ok.
Seeking information on the following family:
Robert CHRISTMAS, son of Charles James CHRISTMAS and Hannah ??
married 09 Aug 1883 St Jude's C/E Randwick, NSW
Mary Caroline KING (1858 Kiama, NSW - 1944 Cremorne, Sydney) daughter of Alexander & Margaret (nee MARKS) KING
Children:
1. Ethel May b. 1884, m.1913 Frederick William PROCTOR
2. Harold Percival b. 1886 Sydney; d. 1947 France; m(1).1912 Sydney, Constance Veta SOUTHOUSE d. 1914. m(2) 1917 Sydney, Thirza H. M. PHILLIPS
3. Kathleen Margaret b. 1888 Sydney; m. 1912 Sydney, Arthur J. Gordon MILNE
4. Raymond b. 1890, d. 1890 Sydney
5. Cecil R b. 1891 Sydney; m. 1920 Sydney, Doris M. ARNOTT
6. Florence E b.1894 Sydney, d. 1920 m. 1916 Cecil Scott WAINE
Would appreciate any further information
Margaret