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As I told another member, probably everyone knows about this, but in case
you do not.
The Mormon Church has a new "free" PAF Windows program; downloaded it
yesterday, about 3,600kb; have not figured out how to export .rtf files and
do Indented Reports, but other parts works well. It imported (Gedcom)
information from Brother's Keeper, including all notes, etc. Address for
downloading is: http://www.familysearch.com/OtherResources/paf4/
Hello Jeff from downunder,
It is nice to hear from you; I'm Herb Turner from North Carolina, USA and
try to look after the Christmas web pages. My grandmother was Fauline
Christmas, born 1891 in SC and tracing her surname is a hobby of mine.We do
not have any information on your George, but I will be happy to add
anything you would share so maybe other people can make the connection.
Bev was nice enough to give us information on William and Tamaryn added to
it. We have two Christmas lines (Thomas of Hanover Co., VA & Jonathan of
Craven Co., SC) we are trying to connect here and back to England or where
ever. Working together, maybe we will find out we all share the same
g----grandparents.
Herbert
At 10:58 PM 6/27/99 +0800, you wrote:
>>>>
Hello, from downunder.
my name is jeff christmass and i live in perth, western australia. i am a
decendant of geroge christmas born 22/01/1798. He left sussex england to
australia in 1829. do you have any information or links to this person??
Great to see a home page for us on the net!!
thank you.
<<<<
Ginger recently asked me what I thought about posting a book review on our
list. I told Ginger if the book had information on the Christmas families,
I would think the list members would have an interest. She then asked if I
would review her recent book, Warren Co., NC Minutes to the Court of Pleas
and Quarter Sessions, 1801 - 1808. I told her I had never done a book
review, but would be happy to read it and would give her and you my candid
comments. Ginger offered a free copy of the book, which I declined; she
insisted and I will donate the copy to a genealogy society or library.
Those of you that have transcribed old documents with the "script" writing
style knows how difficult they are to decipher and how hard they are on
your eyes. My hat is off to anyone that takes the time and effort to bring
these old documents to a form readable by all.
To begin, I am going to quote/paraphrase some from Ginger's introduction,
which really gives you the flavor of the book:
"Warren Co., NC was formed out of Bute Co. in 1779. On July 22, 1779, 100
acres of land was purchased from Thomas Christmas and the tract of land was
surveyed by his brother, William Christmas to lay off the county seat of
Warrenton. Beginning in 1780, the first Court were held in the home of
Thomas Christmas until a new courthouse could be built in the town square."
This gives you an idea of how important the Christmas family was in the
development of Warrenton, as well as other areas, and also their
involvement in the people's daily life by holding positions on the Courts.
This Court oversaw the constructions of county roads and bridges, the
licensing of taverns and eating houses, guardianships, deeds that are
proved and recorded, as well as wills and other intestate records.
The thing that quickly catches my attention in the book is the names of all
the people I recognize; not only Christmas but allied family names. It was
also interesting how the people applied for and were approved to build and
maintain roads and bridges; these were individuals, not the way our big
governments does it today. From these records, you find the names of many
people, some mentioned several times and some people's names will only
appear here.
If you have ancestors in the Bute/Warren Co. area of NC, you will probably
find the book a help in your research. It has a full index, which makes it
easy to find information. The book is 5 3/8 by 8 1/2 inches, soft binding.
The one thing I would have preferred is larger pages and type, but I
understand this would have resulted in additional book cost; also, a small
book is easier to carry on research trips. At $19.95 plus S&H, it will be a
good additional to your research collection.
Below are the addresses for Ginger's web page and book orders.
http://home1.gte.net/gxmas
Book Sales
PO Box 64
Forest Grove, OR
97116-0064
Sherry,
I do not have them in either my NC/VA file nor my SC file; maybe someone
else has these people in their files. I will enter them in my unconnected
file and if nobody else has them, maybe we can connect them later. Thanks
for the information.
Herbert
At 01:05 AM 6/15/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Herbert, I can't connect these in your workbook. Do we know which line
these
>are?They are from Cordell, OK. Sherry
>
>CHRISTMAS, Doris1920 - 1921Strickland (North Side) Cemetery, Cordell, OK.
>CHRISTMAS, Sarah A.1860 - 1935CHRISTMAS, William A.1852 - 1928
>Strickland (South Side) Cemetery, Cordell, OK
>
>
Herbert, I can't connect these in your workbook. Do we know which line these
are?They are from Cordell, OK. Sherry
CHRISTMAS, Doris1920 - 1921Strickland (North Side) Cemetery, Cordell, OK.
CHRISTMAS, Sarah A.1860 - 1935CHRISTMAS, William A.1852 - 1928
Strickland (South Side) Cemetery, Cordell, OK
Herbert:
I wish I had hard evidence with which to show Marlene that Caleb is the
right answer, but evidence is sparce. In no particular order, he is some of
what we know.
(1) Our family memory says my grandfather Christmas did not descend from
"Big Nathan," and that the Cason family (descendants of Big Nathan) were
only more distantly related on that side than through grandmother Sangster's
side. This includes comments that my Uncle Joe, my mother, and two of my
three aunts recalled hearing from their grandmother Sangster -- and that
ought to make us pause, since Big Nathan was her grandfather.
(2) "Little Nathan" married Mary Draughon, whose family family farm was
virtually next door to Caleb's -- and a pretty long hike from Big Nathan's
farm.
(3) Little Nathan was buried in Lane Cemetery, not in Big Nathan's
Christmas family cemetery -- where Big Nathan, his 2d wife, and his
daughter by 1st wife Roxie C. Conner are buried, for instance. William E
Christmas (1858-1936, per his headstone) was buried in the Christmas family
plot at Lane cemetery adjacent to Little Nathan's and Mary (Draughon)'s
graves, if the latter's gravestone placements are roughly accurate. William
E is shown on the 1860 census as living with Little Nathan and Mary,
suggesting they're his parents. None of Big Nathan's children are in that
part of Lane cemetery.
(4) Big Nathan had been generous with his own kids and grandchildren -- from
both wives -- in recorded gifts of property, but I don't believe he made any
express provision for Little Nathan's children either before he died or in
his will. Little Nathan's children were young adults when Big Nathan died
-- Nathaniel T Christmas was just 22, for example; William E Christmas just
24 -- a time when even a small legacy would make a difference.
Admittedly:
(5) Big Nathan acted as administrator of Little Nathan's will. But that
doesn't mean Big Nathan was his father. It's equally consistent with an
uncle serving that role for a young man whose father, Caleb, who wasn't
around to handle the responsibility anyway.
(6) Little Nathan appears in some places as "Nathan Jr." But "Jr/Sr" in
those days was simply a means of distinguishing two people with the same
name, NOT an indication of father/son relationship, a convention that arose
only much later.
None of these facts may be conclusive, and census may not be wholly clear,
but the predominance of the evidence points to Caleb.
Recently I discovered Dooly County is among those for which records survive
from one of the pre-CW Georgia state censuses. I've managed to get an
index, and have ordered the microfilm. Unfortunately the index is one of
those Vern Jackson jobs -- it lists only HOHs, is alphabetically arranged
(so only way to judge proximity is by page number), and gives no summary of
what information the full census record contains. Caleb is listed; Big
Nathan is not. I'll be reviewing it at the library sometime in the next
several weeks. Maybe it'll shed definitive light on the Caleb/Nathan
issue. Probably not.
If Marlene insists on absolute evidence, she'll probably never have it.
Jeb
At 11:31 AM 6/8/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Sherry,
>
>Thank you for the census information. I agree with everything except the
>Nathan (age 27) that married Mary is the son of Caleb & Epsey, not
>Temperance. This Nathan is the one that Jeb descends from as well as
>Marlene, both list members. Jeb and Marlene disagree as to the father of
>this Nathan, Jeb goes with Caleb and Marlene thinks it might be the Nathan
>born 1806; census shows 1807. I think they are going to try to resolve the
>issue this summer or agree to disagree.
>
>I am copying the list so they will see the information. As mentioned
>earlier, I do not have anything on the Atkinson-Christmas marriage.
>Atkinson, Henry married Christmas, Mary on 29 Dec 1848 in Dooly County.
>
>Herbert
>
>At 10:15 PM 6/7/99 EDT, you wrote:
>>Tank and Herbert<
>>I received the below lookup. These are my questions If I am right let me no
>>or if I am wrong let me know. You two probably already have this but just in
>>case am sending it. The Daniel Christmas living with the Browns is Daniel
>>James Christmas son of Nathan and Sophronia? (2) The second is Nathan and
>>Sophronia? M.J. Mary Jane? I think maybe N.J. was supposed to be J. N. and
>>was James Nathan because of the birthdate. What do you think?(3) Nathan is
>>Tempy Prescott's son. Sorry energy gone--can't find last two. You two
>>probably already have this anyway. Sherry
>>
>>Hi Sherry,
>>
>>I am sending you what I found on the Christmas family in the 1860 Dooly
>>County census. I was unable to find any Atkinsons.
>>
>>BROWN ? 60 1800
>>(BROUN) Frances 59 1801
>>p. 61 Loam 27 1833
>> Abijah 16 1844
>>Barten, Allen 45 1815
>>Christmas, Daniel 25 1835
>>
>>CHRISTMAS Nathan 53 1807 SC
>>p. 46 S.A. (f) 53 1807 SC
>> M.J. (f) 14 1846
>> N.J. (m) 10 1850
>Web address for the above: http://members.aol.com/herbnet/christmas/806.html
>>
>
>>CHRISTMAS Nathan 27 1833 SC
>>p. 43 Mary 20 1840
>> N.A. (m) 5 1855
>> W.E. (m) 3 1857
>Web address for above: http://members.aol.com/herbnet/christmas/482.html
>
>
Dear Christmas cousins,
I will be "unsubscribing" while I move from Minnesota to Alabama. I'll have
to change my internet/e-mail provider because WorldNet will be a long
distance phone call for me in Cullman. I'll subscribe again as soon as my
move is complete & my computer hooked up.
Great-great-great granddaughter of Harrison Green Christmas (1813-1902)
Teresa McMillan
tmcmillanb(a)worldnet.att.net
Herbert,
My information of Richard Henry Christmas (Aug 9, 1875-Dec 29, l940) shows he
married Nanny (may have been a nickname for Nancy) Grigston (1881-1961) bur
in Berea Cem Logan Co. KY. I have his children and have visited the family
of his sons, Claude Christmas and Melton Dallas Christmas.
Mary Jean Christmas
Sherry,
Thank you for the census information. I agree with everything except the
Nathan (age 27) that married Mary is the son of Caleb & Epsey, not
Temperance. This Nathan is the one that Jeb descends from as well as
Marlene, both list members. Jeb and Marlene disagree as to the father of
this Nathan, Jeb goes with Caleb and Marlene thinks it might be the Nathan
born 1806; census shows 1807. I think they are going to try to resolve the
issue this summer or agree to disagree.
I am copying the list so they will see the information. As mentioned
earlier, I do not have anything on the Atkinson-Christmas marriage.
Atkinson, Henry married Christmas, Mary on 29 Dec 1848 in Dooly County.
Herbert
At 10:15 PM 6/7/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Tank and Herbert<
>I received the below lookup. These are my questions If I am right let me no
>or if I am wrong let me know. You two probably already have this but just in
>case am sending it. The Daniel Christmas living with the Browns is Daniel
>James Christmas son of Nathan and Sophronia? (2) The second is Nathan and
>Sophronia? M.J. Mary Jane? I think maybe N.J. was supposed to be J. N. and
>was James Nathan because of the birthdate. What do you think?(3) Nathan is
>Tempy Prescott's son. Sorry energy gone--can't find last two. You two
>probably already have this anyway. Sherry
>
>Hi Sherry,
>
>I am sending you what I found on the Christmas family in the 1860 Dooly
>County census. I was unable to find any Atkinsons.
>
>BROWN ? 60 1800
>(BROUN) Frances 59 1801
>p. 61 Loam 27 1833
> Abijah 16 1844
>Barten, Allen 45 1815
>Christmas, Daniel 25 1835
>
>CHRISTMAS Nathan 53 1807 SC
>p. 46 S.A. (f) 53 1807 SC
> M.J. (f) 14 1846
> N.J. (m) 10 1850
Web address for the above: http://members.aol.com/herbnet/christmas/806.html
>
>CHRISTMAS Nathan 27 1833 SC
>p. 43 Mary 20 1840
> N.A. (m) 5 1855
> W.E. (m) 3 1857
Web address for above: http://members.aol.com/herbnet/christmas/482.html
Dear Rebecca,
We have some information on Richard Henry Christmas, but nothing on Nancy
Grigston, whom you show as his wife. Your Rootsweb query mentions Nancy was
born in 1881, possibly in Butler Co., KY. I am copying the Christmas List,
which is made up of about 50 researchers working on their Christmas lines
and offering help to others.
The information we have on Richard Henry is on our Christmas web page,
address is: http://members.aol.com/herbnet20/christmas/tc764.html
If this is your Richard, any information you can share on Nancy Grigston
will be appreciated.
Herbert
At 06:14 PM 6/7/99 PDT, you wrote:
>Yes this address is current. I need any information I can get especially
>about Richard Henry's wife!
>
>Rebecca
>
>
>>From: Herbert Turner <WHT-ABT(a)worldnet.att.net>
>>To: rchristmas(a)hotmail.com
>>Subject: Richard Henry Christmas
>>Date: Mon, 07 Jun 1999 14:20:17 -0400
>>
>>Saw a query on Rootsweb from last year; just a short note to see if address
>>is active; we have some information.
>>
>>Herbert
>
>
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Well, that is interesting about Wm F. May!
I've been fighting a cold for about a week now. (Maybe allergies.)
??
Had Chris Sunday while Lynne & Bill went to the races. We had fun.
Had to buy a new refrigerator yesterday. Spent $75 for a repairman
to come out, then he said he could fix it but it would cost within
$100 of what a new one would cost. I hate spending money for a
refrigerator when I already have one--even if it doesn't work! :>
I went canoeing with a friend Friday. We had a ball. We ran into a
big rock and our canoe tipped over. I lost my shoes and my oar, but
I hung on to my glasses. (I did wear my old pair--just in case.)
The canoe and my oar got away and we bout never caught up with them.
The 2-hour trip took us 3 hours. Finally a man and his two sons
came along and helped us get the water out of the canoe. Kay and I
had already turned it right side up, but it still had water in it and
we couldn't even tip it then. Kay didn't even lose her cap nor her
oar when she got thrown out! She didn't go under, but I did.
Well, you take care.
Love ya,
Donna