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I've compiled compiling the Christman marriage records for 1886 - 2001
for Lehigh County, PA and Northampton County, PA. Records include most
information from the license. They're in Microsoft Access database
format. Send an e-mail to me if you'd like either file e-mailed to you.
mailto:dehill@paonline.com
SORRY, no look-ups.
Doug Hill
I agree with Dave. Three personal examples:
1. My great-great grandfather, Allen Alexander Christman, over a span of 50 years
did several different filings for Civil War disability pension. Three of these
required him to list his children, with birth dates. All three, one from the
1870s one from the 1890s and the last around 1915, have different lists and
different birth dates -- but each in his own handwriting.
2. When I called the Lycoming County (PA) Recorder about the 1903 birth record
for my grandfather, Allen Eugene Christman, she could not find it. Then she said,
"Could it be Ellen?" Which is, in fact, how it was recorded when my great
grandfather went to the courthouse to report his birth.
3. In 1976, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania offered to do commemorative birth
certificates. My Dad sent a request in for all of us kids as a surprise. Sure
was -- on the application for mine he missed my birthday by two days (June 20
instead of 22). Better yet, the Commonwealth issued the certificate with the
incorrect date. (I also have one with the correct date.)
Doug Hill
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>
> Subject: RE: (no subject)
> Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 18:32:33 -0400
> From: Dave Cressman <DCRESSMAN(a)philadelphiamixers.com>
> To: CHRISTMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
> Leeann
> Constantly ...as every genealogist will tell you. The rule of thumb, when
> there is a discrepancy in data, is that the closer the information is to its
> source, the greater the LIKELIHOOD that it is the more correct. That is,
> your grandmother is considered the authority for her name, anything your
> great-grandmother recorded about your grandmother's birthrate is probably
> more accurate than any third party (disinterested) recorder. Still, you
> sometimes can't be 100 % SURE.
> My own father's birth certificate states he was born June 31. There is no
> June 31, so the family celebrates his birthday on June 30. The "official"
> certificate is obviously wrong ... (but try to get it changed!!!). In his
> case, his mother is not 100 % sure herself. She says that he was born just
> after midnight. If it was just after midnight on June 30, the clerk might
> have thought: June 31, without realizing it was July 1.
> Data discrepancy is very common, and therefore is nothing to fret about.
> Rarely is it of any importance. Go with family tradition/legend. After all,
> a person is the world's foremost authority about him/herself (except, of
> course when it comes to a woman's age!). A good genealogist records ALL
> discrepancies, in order of likelihood.
> Diaries are the best source ("Today I married Jim Johnson!" You've GOTTA
> believe THAT.). Family Bibles are good, if recorded AT THE TIME and by the
> people involved. "Official" documents, newspapers and other third party
> sources come a lot further down the list as are things added to the Bible
> later, by some grandchild. Information found published in books is
> notoriously bad. I don't list anything as firm unless it is confirmed by
> another source, but if there's a choice, go with the source closest to the
> action.
> Dave
>
>
Leeann
Constantly ...as every genealogist will tell you. The rule of thumb, when
there is a discrepancy in data, is that the closer the information is to its
source, the greater the LIKELIHOOD that it is the more correct. That is,
your grandmother is considered the authority for her name, anything your
great-grandmother recorded about your grandmother's birthrate is probably
more accurate than any third party (disinterested) recorder. Still, you
sometimes can't be 100 % SURE.
My own father's birth certificate states he was born June 31. There is no
June 31, so the family celebrates his birthday on June 30. The "official"
certificate is obviously wrong ... (but try to get it changed!!!). In his
case, his mother is not 100 % sure herself. She says that he was born just
after midnight. If it was just after midnight on June 30, the clerk might
have thought: June 31, without realizing it was July 1.
Data discrepancy is very common, and therefore is nothing to fret about.
Rarely is it of any importance. Go with family tradition/legend. After all,
a person is the world's foremost authority about him/herself (except, of
course when it comes to a woman's age!). A good genealogist records ALL
discrepancies, in order of likelihood.
Diaries are the best source ("Today I married Jim Johnson!" You've GOTTA
believe THAT.). Family Bibles are good, if recorded AT THE TIME and by the
people involved. "Official" documents, newspapers and other third party
sources come a lot further down the list as are things added to the Bible
later, by some grandchild. Information found published in books is
notoriously bad. I don't list anything as firm unless it is confirmed by
another source, but if there's a choice, go with the source closest to the
action.
Dave
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 10:41 PM
> To: CHRISTMAN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: (no subject)
>
> Today I got a copy of my grandmother's birth certificate from Northampton
> County. On the certificate there are 4 very significant differences from
> information I had. The last name of my grandmother and her parents is
> listed
> as Griffith not Griffiths and I know this can be a recording error, her
> birthdate is listed as May 25, 1895 and on all other records I have it is
> May
> 23, 1895 not to mention that that was the date she said it was, the town
> is
> listed as Siegfriedo and the only Northampton County town I know is
> Siegfried
> but the one that really got me was her that her middle name is not written
> it
> is only the initial U. This certificate looks like a typed form with the
> seal on it. I am wondering if this is actually the information or
> someone's
> sloppy work. Has anyone else had this type of problem? Leeann
>
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Hi Listers,
I thought this info would be helpful.
-Kat in VA
Researching: Bittenbender, Blahut, Christman, Coombs, Davis, Evans,
Frankenfield, Green, Holmes, Mock, Peirce, Piksa, Shafer, Vandermark,
Weis, Willis NJ/NY/PA.
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Today I got a copy of my grandmother's birth certificate from Northampton
County. On the certificate there are 4 very significant differences from
information I had. The last name of my grandmother and her parents is listed
as Griffith not Griffiths and I know this can be a recording error, her
birthdate is listed as May 25, 1895 and on all other records I have it is May
23, 1895 not to mention that that was the date she said it was, the town is
listed as Siegfriedo and the only Northampton County town I know is Siegfried
but the one that really got me was her that her middle name is not written it
is only the initial U. This certificate looks like a typed form with the
seal on it. I am wondering if this is actually the information or someone's
sloppy work. Has anyone else had this type of problem? Leeann
Hi,
My only CHRISTMAN so far (I just found her on my GGgrandmother's death
certificate) is
Eliza CHRISTMAN born abt. 1844 possibly in PA, died unk, married Edward
GREEN, children Kate, Jennie, Westly, Adam, Anny. They lived Luzerne
Co., PA in the 1890s.
-Kat in VA
Researching: Bittenbender, Blahut, Coombs, Davis, Evans, Frankenfield,
Green, Holmes, Mock, Peirce, Piksa, Shafer, Vandermark, Weiss, Willis
NJ/NY/PA
I have family on the Christman side that may have begun in the NYC area....
the info I have at this time regards them settling in the southeastern Penna.
area.
I can look at the genealogy I have accumulated so far to see if the names you
mention are part of the info. I haven't looked through my info for many
years, so it is not clear in my mind.
My grandfather was Oswin Charles Christman of Montgomery County, Penna.
If you would like me to check my info, please let me know....
Doris Linzy, RN
ddreamsofangels(a)aol.com
Hi Everyone,
I was wondering if there was anyone out there that have a Christman family
living around the NYC area around the early 1900's? Could have moved to New
Jersey, Conneticut, Pennsylvania etc.
I have a Martin Christman, wife Marie. Her maiden name was Bartell. They
had a daughter, Eliza (Lizzie) Christman born May 1892. They had another
child before her but I don't know if it was male or female or when it was
born.
Hope to hear from someone.
Carol
I apologize for the joke that was sent to the list this evening, it
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to family as I had a phone call and evedently she hit the add to send
button by mistake. I was shocked to see it was sent to the list. It
won't happen again. Sorry.
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Dear Madam,
Enclosed find a check in the amount of $250 for rent of your
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1) it had never been occupied;
2) that there was plenty of heat;
3) that it was small enough to make me cozy and at home.
Last night, however, I found out that it had been previously
occupied, that there wasn't any heat, and that it was
entirely too large.
-------------------------------------------------------
Upon receipt of the note, the girl immediately returned the check
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Dear Sir,
First of all, I cannot understand how you expect a beautiful
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Regarding the space, the apartment is indeed of regular size, but if you
don't have enough furniture to fill it, please don't blame the landlord.