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Author: EarlLinda1940
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Thank you for the expansion on your Y-DNA test. I am wondering of what a "match" consists? Does a "match" mean that all 46 markers in your test are exactly the same as someone else? I suspect that your brother had the exact same values as you did for all 46 markers. 275 exact matches for a 46-marker test would be amazing. "Match" often means that there are fewer than xx mutations out of the 46 measured. I am asking what xx is in the literature of your vendor? I would expect that you would match to any of your ancestors in the last 300 years to within a couple of mutations, i.e., 44 or more exact matches in the 46 measured markers. To convince me I would want an exact match for all 46 markers or at most 1 mutation out of 46 measurements.
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Author: Kennith_Simpson
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I don't mind at all. I had the Y-Chromosome 46 marker test done. I had approx. 275 matches of 31 generations or less. Of those 34 were of 29 generations or less. Of those 28 were under 15 generations. Of those 15 were 12 generations or less. I did not want to go too far back for my initial research because I wanted to be able to dedicate as much time as possible to more recent matches so I concentrated my research mostly to the first 10 matches. Of the first ten or closest matches, One was my brother ( I had him take the test because any time there is a question of a last name, it is best to make sure that one is not lets say adopted, or illegitimate (although I knew I was quite legitimate, if you want to be accurate in your research you must be prepared to look at all possibilities,)there is no room for being squeamish or afraid of the truth). My brother and I were a match. five of the matches came back to members of the Christian family. ! match came back to a LOVE!
LAND family, (this one is driving me crazy) I can not make contact with anyone who has ever heard of this individual and all LOVELAND families deny any possibility of being a match????? 1 match was with a Lorrie White who was researching Thomas Christian, this was a 8 generation match and it turns out that Lorrie Christian White was also a 13th generation match. 1 match was with a Krahn family, we are currently trying to make the connection.
I also took the BETA Ethnicity test which resulted in Christian matches and other family members who are connected to my family. Keep in mind that Y-DNA is specific to the male line so you won't get any where near the number of matches that you will with the BETA test which takes into account both male and female descendants and it goes way, way, back. My stats with the BETA Ethnicity test for Ancestry.com is 50% Scandinavian, 26% British Isle, 12% Eastern European and 12% Southern European.
This has turned out to be pretty darn accurate when you follow the lines back. This is a good test for distant relatives but virtually a mess for trying to work on your more current or American ancestry. BETA will take you back to the 1500's. For me right now I am not concerned about who survived the Black Plague, I am more interested in my current family IE back to the 1700's. I have a good handle on everything except this darn Thomas Christian NA thing. Hopefully the 23andMe test will help clarify some of the confusion.
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Author: EarlH1940
Surnames: Christian
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Sounds like you have made great discoveries. You did not mention how many DNA markers you have tested. Would you be so kind as to share the number of markers that you had measured and the number of matches at various degrees of ancestry? I have found that even 25 markers may be marginal as I have several false matches at that level. Thanks.
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Author: Kennith_Simpson
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A lot of you are following this set of threads in hope of discovering your ancestry. Those who have followed it closely are aware that I had a Y-DNA test through Ancestry.com. This is a test that deals with the MALE or PATERNAL ancestry line. To my surprise my results showed that in 1850 my great, great, grandmother Elizabeth Simpson had a son out of wedlock and gave him her maiden name. John Walden Simpson, he was named after her father, John Walden Simpson. DNA has shown that the father of that child was a CHRISTIAN, All leads indicate it was Addison Bailey Christian, Tazewell, Virginia. I do have matches that substantiate the link and it goes back to Thomas Bailey Christian (supposedly the adopted son of Thomas Mastin). There was a complication however, There is a large number of descendants of this Christian line
who believe that Thomas Bailey Christian was at least part Native American, my DNA does not show any NA DNA. My DNA also goes back to Charles Hunt Christian of Charles City Virginia and on back to the Isle of Man & Scandinavia. Again other matches seemed to point to this being the way it was. While I do like the Ancestry.com test and have found it to be very useful in my research, I also know that it is good to have a second opinion before coming to a conclusion. I have therefore ordered and am currently waiting for the DNA test offered by 23andMe. I have heard some very good things about 23andMe and decided to use them as my second testing site.
Once I get the results I will compare their results with those of Ancestry.com. I will use this thread to keep everyone updated. I will also be posting on the NIKITIE group site. It will take about two months to get the information (and I have little or no patience, ha!)
For me the Ancestry.com site has been a success and I have found many matches that confirm my Christian connection. I highly recommend that if you are just starting out on your research start with the Y-DNA test. It will be the perfect control group for you and get you on the right path. Keep in mind that the BETA test and the Ethnicity tests are a far more inclusive test and will result in hundreds if not thousands of distant matches that will drive you up the wall trying to make the connections. Females can take the Mitochondria test.
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Author: NiNe9805
Surnames: Christian, Sheehan
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I am looking for any information on Delia Sheehan Christian and her children Elmyra, Grace, Raymond, and William. They were in New Jersey in the 1920 census but Manhattan and Brooklyn in the other years through 1940.
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Author: MrsCatherinedeeAuvil
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Someone has been working on the Elizabeth Mastin - Carpenter line at Findagrave. One descendant ran an orphanage! I want to work through Findagrave - see who puts flowers on pages - and see if I can contact Thomas Mastin descendants to see if they have any family stories. I want to do the same through Nathaniel's line that married Indian women - the funny named one - Ishmael?? Ack, gotta get back to work, cur-sed job. No time for genealogy.
Mastin didn't leave anything to his biological daughter even though we know she was alive at the time. Strange.
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Author: Kennith_Simpson
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Today I received a response from the Historical Society of Washington County, Virginia, pertaining to my inquiry on Thomas Mastin and the adoption of the orphans in 1777. The researcher did extensive research on my question and sent me a detailed finding. Her conclusion can be summed up in one sentence; I found no references in any of their sources for any such adoptions.
I was sent some very good information with the response.
"Thomas Mastin Important Unknown of the Early Clinch River Settlement by Gordon Aronhime."
Extracts from the James T. Preston Papers, Washington County and the 150th Virginia Militia Regiment, edited by George Stevenson.
Members of the Historical Society of Washington County, Virginia, compiled by M. Margaret Hughes.
A quote from the first source," Mastin's personal life was curiously similar to that of his friend, Daniel Smith, in that the record is one completely drained of the essential personality of the subject. Even the date of Mastin's death is a puzzle. He made a will on 6 October 1808 soon after his final months as Sheriff of Sumner County. This document is also strangely unrevealing
There are no children mentioned, no descendants, only his "beloved wife, Agnes," maiden name unknown. There is no date of probate in the Sumner county records either.
In his will he left his slaves and his furniture, stock of horses, cattle, sheep, and hogs to Agnes. Then comes the surprise. He leaves his 268 acre farm to "My friend Daniel Smith and his heirs after the death of his wife."
I think that no matter what the relationship was between Mr. Mastin and the children, on his death bed he would have wanted to leave them something even if only a token inheritance or at least acknowledge them.
All records appear to show that Daniel Smith and Thomas Mastin had a unique relationship. Thomas followed Daniel, Daniel did not follow Thomas. Other than Agnes Daniel appears to have been the only close friend Thomas Mastin had. There is no evidence at all to suggest that there existed a strong relationship between Thomas Mastin and the orphans.
An interesting fact is that another document sent me shows that in 1788 Thomas Mastin purchased 200 Acres of land from his old friend Daniel Smith, then he purchased 68 more acres where he lived the rest of his life. This is interesting because in his will he leaves 268 acres to his friend Daniel Smith. Also starting around 1796 Thomas Mastin begins selling off all of his land except the 268 acres. It is not known what he did with the proceeds but I find it interesting to note that he leaves Agnes property but no cash.
One notation in the documents did confuse me because it refers to the adoption in 1777 of the children by Thomas Mastin but in the next sentence it states that he simply "took in the orphans"
This came from the Annuals of Southwest Virginia. So could it have started with him just taking in the children and then over the years people just assumed that he adopted them. also this part of the article gives the Indian names of the children and the names that they were given supposedly by Mr. Mastin. One of the children was called Sarah Mastin, of all the children she was the only one that got the name Mastin? I seriously question this entire matter. All records show that Mr. Mastin was a very close friend of Daniel Smith, yet none of the children were given Smith as a last name. Hezekiah Whitt and Mr. Christian were not close friends they were individuals Mr. Mastin only knew as a result of his military activities. Daniel Smith is the only person ever referred to as a close or dear friend, yet none of the children carried his name.
The fact that the only document that actually even considers the children is the will of Hezekiah Whitt and the pension document for Hezekiah Whitt. The fact that Thomas Mastin supposedly adopted the children in 1777 and around 1785 he sold his property and moved to Tennessee without any of the children. Hezekiah would have been a full grown adult so that does not pose a problem, Thomas would have been 15 (he was born in 1770), Although in the 1700's being 15 was about the same as being an adult, I can't picture him being left alone or sent elsewhere. Sarah Mastin was probably born after 1770 but I find no information on her. I do find that Thomas Mastin and Agnes are shown having a daughter named Elizabeth Mastin, born in 1792 but if Agnes and Thomas moved to Tennessee prior to 1790 why would she have been left out of any historical documentation and why would Thomas Mastin's will not show her as a survivor. According to Appalachian Aristocracy Elizabeth married John !
F. Carpenter and moved to Kentucky around 1806. Could Sarah and Elizabeth be the same person? In order for that to be Sarah would have had to be born after the adoptions took place and could not have been with the Cornstalk family.
There is a possible solution to some of this. Some sources show that there is a Thomas Christian and a Thomas Bailey Christian. Have researchers and families confused the two families and tried to make them one, or possibly has the story of the adoption and relationship with the Cornstalk family been fabricated to explain the traditions of Native American Heritage.
There is evidenced to believe that there may be Native American blood lines handed down through the maternal or female lines with these families. I do not believe that Thomas Bailey Christian was blood related to either Chief Cornstalk or his son. I do not believe there was an adoption. I now believe that over the years oral tradition has left us with a mystery that simply can not be verified. How did Thomas Bailey Christian get from Charles City or Goochland to Tazewell? Were there two Thomas Christians or one, could one have been created to explain the NA heritage.
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Author: txgeezer
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I'm sorry for the late reply. First, I've discovered that I am not getting an alert when someone replies (even though I checked the box). Second, I cannot access the familytreemaker site you referred to. Third, I wanted to double-check the references to Genealogies of Virginia Families, Volume 1. In short, page 785 does not mention anything about a Kewley, or anything close to that, nor does it have such a listing in the index. Nor is there such an entry in Swem's Index.
My question still stands. Familytreemaker, Ancestry.com, etc., are not reliable sources.
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