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It is only on rare occasions that I add a book to the list of "must haves"
for the study of Scotch-Irish genealogy. This one is for our friends with
Pennsylvania connections and it is certainly a rare item. Published in 1856
"by a descendant" it is titled:
"A Tribute to the Principles, Virtues, Habits and Public Usefulness of the
Irish and Scotch Early Settlers of Pennsylvania," Chambersburg, Pa.,
Printed by M. Kiefer & Co. 1856, 171 pages.
>From the preface the following: "The writer of the Tribute contained in
this work, had long desired to see from the Historical publications in
Pennsylvania, a vindication of the character and principles of the Irish and
Scotch early settlers of this great State and their descendants against
reproach, as well as aspersion, cast upon them in some modern publications
having pretensions to Historical accuracy...The writer, feeling as if the
sand of his Time glass was nearly run out, and that he ere long must be laid
aside from labor... has hastily thrown together in his leisure hours, taken
from other avocations, the remarks contained in the subsequent pages."
Those other avocations are Dr. Foote's Sketches of North Carolina and
Virginia, Day's Historical collections, Dr. Smith's Old Redstone, Dr.
Alexander's Log College, Dr. Miller's Life of Dr. Rogers, Dr. Elliott's Life
of McCurdy and others, Craig's History of Pittsburgh, Hazard's Colonial
Records and Archives of Pennsylvania, and American Archives by Force and
Gordon's History of Pennsylvania, Mr Rupp's Histories of Lancaster,
Cumberland and Franklin counties.
The style of writing and knowledge of early Presbyterian history indicates
the author may have been a member of the clergy*. There is a lot of detail
on the early members of the church as well as problems with the Indians and
the struggle over land rights during the westward expansion. The book reads
a bit like Prof. Hagy's thesis on the early frontier settlement at Castle's
Woods, Virginia and it is a combination of history, genealogy and geography.
*I have been told recently that Judge Chambers is the author of this work.
Listed below are the other books and manuscripts previously offered to the
various surname lists that are predominately Scotch-Irish:
The Laggan and its Presbyterianism and In the Days of the Laggan Presbytery,
1905,1908, by the Rev. Alexander Lecky, B.A., member of the Royal Sociey of
Antiquaries of Ireland, Belfast, Davidson & McCormack, 54 Kings St. 211
pages
On our recent trip to Donegal we met J.B. Shannon, age 90, who assisted in
the 1975 reprinting of this book. He is the last living person who had
anything to do with these books and he says they are still the BEST source
for Ulster Presbyterian research. From Lecky I quote, "The lists of names of
former generations of Lagganeers, and their places of abode, that are given
in the Appendixes, and which NEVER before appeared in print, whilst they may
of necessity prove dull reading to those who have no acquaintance with the
locality, will not, I hope, be altogether uninteresting to those who bear the
same name, or live in the same places..."
Fighters of Derry, Their Deeds and Descendants, being a Chronicle of Events
in Ireland during the Revolutionary period 1688-1691, by William Young, Eyre
and Spottiswoode, London, 350 pages.
One of the most difficult sources to locate, in fact almost impossible.
Months worth of reading and packed with great genealogy. Contains the
following biographical sketches:
1. The leaders of the County Associations who, with their levies, took
part in the preliminary operations and contributed much of the man power for
the Defence.
2. The Apprentice Boys and those responsible for shutting the gates on the
8th Dec. 1688.
3. The actual Defenders during the 105 day siege (over 1200 genealogical
sketches)
4. Those engaged in the relief of the city
A History of the Siege of Londonderry and Defense of Enniskillen in 1688 and
1689, with Historical Poetry and Biographical notes, by the Rev. John Graham,
M.A. Rector of Magilligan in the Diocese of Derry. Includes the Battles of
the Boyne, Athlone, and Aughrim and the siege and Capitulation of Limmerick
by Lord McCaulay, Toronto, 1869
The historical poems are family genealogies about those who were at Derry
and where they came from. Along with "Fighters of Derry" these two sources
contain more actual genealogical information than any others I have seen.
Three Hundred Years in Innishowen, Being More Particularly an Account of the
Family of Young of Culdaff with Short Accounts of Many Other Families
Connected with Them, by Amy Young, 1929, The Linenhall Press, Belfast, 311
pages.
Some of the names included are Young, Hart, Harvey, Cary, Vaughan,
McLaughlin, Skipton, Richardson, Knox, Ussher, Smith, Nesbitt, Chichester,
Ball, Lawrence, Crofton, Boyd, Stuart and many others.
The Laggan and its People, by S.M. Campbell, privately printed.
A look at the history of the Laggan (Presbyterian Derry/Donegal) through the
eyes of a local historian. Draws on local lore, Abercorn papers, records from
PRONI.
The Tinkling Spring: Headwater of Freedom, A Study of the Church and Her
People, 1732-1952, by Howard McKnight Wilson, 1954, Fisherville, Virginia 542
pages
The best source of information on the Scotch-Irish of Augusta/Rockbridge
Counties in Virginia. Includes the Baptismal Records of the Rev. Craig.
In-depth study of the early families of the Shenandoah Valley.
Castle's Woods: Frontier Virginia Settlement, 1769-1799, a thesis presented
to the Faculty of the Department of History, East Tennessee State University
in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the Degree of master of Arts,
by James W. Hagy, 1966, 150 pages.
The most popular of the documents offered, this covers the families who
settled in Russell county, Virginia when it was considered the frontier. If
your ancestors came through southwestern Virginia, this document is the
history of your family. Contains information on specific families as well as
the farmers, speculators, artisans, and preachers who resided there. Lots on
the Indian battles that were a daily feature of life on the frontier. Names
like Russell, Walker, Porter, Cowan, Houston, Boone, Montgomery, Fraley,
Thompson, Anderson, Kilgore, and 50 or so other "Scotch-Irish" families make
this an invaluable resource for your family history.
The Reverend Samuel Houston, V.D.M., by George West Diehl, 1970, McClure
Publishing Co. 125 pages
History of the early Virginia Presbyterians through the life of the Rev.
Samuel Houston, kin to Sam Houston of Texas fame.
The Stirling Merchant Gild and Life of John Cowane, founder of Cowane's
Hospital in Stirling, by David B. Morris, Town Clerk, Stirling, Jamieson &
Munro, LTD. 1919, 367pages.
This is really two books in one. The first part deals with the Gild. Laws,
history, struggle with Unfreemen and with the Crafts, Administration,
Merchandising, Conditions of entry, etc. and the second part which is about
the life of John Cowane, Dean of the Gild and his contributions to it.
Well there you have it. The best documents I have found. If you are
interested in purchasing any of the above items (I would like to make copies
for free but I can't)
contact me at cscunc(a)aol.com for details.
Regards,
Robert Cowan
525 Harrogate Rd.
Matthews, North Carolina 28105
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I am looking for Luna Christian b. November 18, 1869 d.January 21, 1895 in Alabama. Somewhere on the AL/MS line around Eight Mile, Tanner Williams, or Citronelle. She married Daniel Dykes. She died giving birth to my great grandfather Earl Christian Dykes. I believe both Earl and of course Christian are Christian family names. It seems the Christian, Dykes, and Pierce family all intermarried. If anyone has info on Luna please contact me. Thank you so much!
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Where in ALabama? I am searching the Mobile, Washington, and CLarke County areas. I am looking specifically for Luna Christian b.November 18, 1869 and d.January 21, 1895. IF you have any information please contact me. If I can help you I will be glad to but I am having a hard time with the Christian family. Thank you.
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Seeking information on parents/siblings of B. Haywood Christian, b. 16Feb1852 in Tenn.; married to Texas Cordelia Cosper; parents probably born Tenn. also and died about 1860, either in Tenn. or DesArc, Arkansas area; brothers named William and Gib. B. Haywood Christian ran away from brother William's home in DesArc when he was 14 and eventually settled in Fort Chadbourne, Texas area. Anyone know anything more about this family?
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Clara Mabelle Breck Avary married Hulon Edward Christian before 1925 DeKalb Co, GA.
Hulon was born 4 June 1891 and died 27 May 1947.
What happened to Clara, his widow?
Liesa:
Can you give us further information on Matilda Christian? Parents? Husband?
Her birthdate? Matilda's children?
I have 2 Matilda Christians in my data base; maybe I could be helpful.
Audrey Cox Vogelpohl
Seattle, Washington
> Does any one have any Christian Confederate Soldiers that ended up in Indiana?
>
> Other then knowing that my great grandmother was a Matilda Christian my
> grandfather remembers that his grandmother had 4 relatives (he said brothers but
> I suspect brothers and cousins). William Mull was born in Indiana from all the
> sources I have found so far. At one time I had been given information that
> Matilida was born either in VA or W. VA. The person who gave the information
> seems to be relatively reliable but I do not know where got the information
> form.
>
> I am hoping maybe I can find some kind of connection to her through finding
> them. I had thought this would be easy when he told me it was 4 brothers who
> were killed in the war, but I could not find 4 brothers all killed in the war. I
> did find brothers/cousins who were killed/injured, but I have not looked from
> this angle in awhile and will have to dig up that little bit I did find later.
>
> Liesa
>
I do have some information although most of it speculation or at least I have no proof.
a.. According to 2 of her children's birth certificates she is born in IN and so is her Husband William Mull (# 8 & 9 below)
b.. I have her as being born July 10, 1850 in VA or W. VA but the cousin who gave me the information no longer remembers where he got if from most of leads have been good but not all. It would fit with them being on the side of the confederate.
c.. An Aunt told me she died in New Haven, IL (Little Wabash River) about 1908, but she did not tell me where she found the information, and my grandfather said she died before William who died about 1902/3
d.. If the other information I have dug up on her children is correct then she seemed to go back and forth from Cape Geraurdo.
e.. Her family is listed in the 1880 census but she is not there. I am not sure where she would be but I am wondering if maybe her parents or sibling could have been in MO and she went home to have her children. I have searched everything I can think of and cannot find her in the census anywhere.
f.. The only thing my grandfather knows of her father is the part about the Confederate soldiers and something about him running some guy off his land for whistling some song (I want to say whistling Dixie but that seems backwards to me), although he could hardly walk.
g.. In the 1900 census William is Caseyville, KY in the house of his daughter and son-in-law (he is listed as head of house hold, but my grandfather tells it that William was down visiting kin when he fell from a tree a couple of years later and died in a fall because he landed on a fence)
1. Mary Mull b. abt 1873 m. Thomas Bartley d. abt 1938 Shawneetown, Gallatin Co, IL
2. William Thomas Lee Mull abt 1876 Cape Co, MO (as per Marriage Cert) m. Effie Burnett
3. Peter Lee Louis Mull was born 3 Sept, 1880 in Warrick Co, IN (as per his SSN application)
4. Pearl b. abt. 1881 in Cape Geraurdo MO.(as per Marriage Cert) m. Henry Mull (I grandfather says they were 1st cousins)
a. The marriage certificate of HH and PJ Mull says that Henry was born in Knox Co, IN abt 1871 and living in Alexander IL in 1899 at the time of their marriage
b. found possible birth of child for Pearl and Henry and it lists them as later being in Knox Co. This is not confirmed yet, I need to send off for the BC.
5. Annie D. b. abt 1882 m. "Keener" Lawrence
6. Charles Louis b. abt 1884 (possibly Vanderburgh Co) m. Kate Heims d. Caseyville, KY
7. Unknown (this is deducted from next to certificates children listed as 8 & 9, but child could have been born earlier)
8. Infant Male born June 11, 1887
9. Infant Female born Feb 19, 1890
1880 US Census
Census Place: Ohio, Warrick, Indiana
Source: FHL Film 1254320 National Archives Film T9-0320 Page 261D
Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace
William MULL Self M M W 31 IN Occ: Farm Laborer Fa: IN Mo: IN
Mary MULL Dau F S W 7 IN Occ: Keeping House Fa: IN Mo: IN
Thomas MULL Son M S W 4 IN Fa: IN Mo: IN
(no idea where Matilda is in this census, but I know she is alive)
Although these are my grandfathers grandparents he was not born until after their death, so it is hard to say how much of this is true. He tells most of the stories exactly the same every time but that only means he remembers them correctly not that he was told correctly.
Would love to find any kind of lead on Matilda, but I have not seen her in any of the census' so far. I will check the Archives when I go next but as a child she would not have showed up in all of them. I might have a few more details but right now I cannot think of any.
Thanks for any help,
Liesa
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Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:52 AM
Subject: Re: [CHRISTIAN] Confederate Soldiers
> Liesa:
>
> Can you give us further information on Matilda Christian? Parents? Husband?
> Her birthdate? Matilda's children?
>
> I have 2 Matilda Christians in my data base; maybe I could be helpful.
>
> Audrey Cox Vogelpohl
> Seattle, Washington
> > Does any one have any Christian Confederate Soldiers that ended up in Indiana?
> >
> > Other then knowing that my great grandmother was a Matilda Christian my
> > grandfather remembers that his grandmother had 4 relatives (he said brothers but
> > I suspect brothers and cousins). William Mull was born in Indiana from all the
> > sources I have found so far. At one time I had been given information that
> > Matilida was born either in VA or W. VA. The person who gave the information
> > seems to be relatively reliable but I do not know where got the information
> > form.
> >
> > I am hoping maybe I can find some kind of connection to her through finding
> > them. I had thought this would be easy when he told me it was 4 brothers who
> > were killed in the war, but I could not find 4 brothers all killed in the war. I
> > did find brothers/cousins who were killed/injured, but I have not looked from
> > this angle in awhile and will have to dig up that little bit I did find later.
> >
> > Liesa
> >
>
Does any one have any Christian Confederate Soldiers that ended up in Indiana?
Other then knowing that my great grandmother was a Matilda Christian my grandfather remembers that his grandmother had 4 relatives (he said brothers but I suspect brothers and cousins). William Mull was born in Indiana from all the sources I have found so far. At one time I had been given information that Matilida was born either in VA or W. VA. The person who gave the information seems to be relatively reliable but I do not know where got the information form.
I am hoping maybe I can find some kind of connection to her through finding them. I had thought this would be easy when he told me it was 4 brothers who were killed in the war, but I could not find 4 brothers all killed in the war. I did find brothers/cousins who were killed/injured, but I have not looked from this angle in awhile and will have to dig up that little bit I did find later.
Liesa
John C. Christian married Anna in VA. They had the following children:
William Christian b. abt. 1823 SC m. Apsey Taylor
Lucinda Christian b. abt. 1822 in SC
James Lewis Christian b. Dec. 13, 1823 SC (my ancestor) m. elizabeth Garrison
thomas anthony christian abt. 1835 AL m. mary catherine Plylar
Mary F. Christian b. abt. 1833 AL
Caroline Christian b. abt. 1840 AL
John C. Christian b. abt. 1836 AL m. Annette Odom
Louisa Adeline Christian b. abt. 1842 AL m. Sanford
Pertany christian b. abt. 1852 AL
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Seeking information about parents and siblings of B. Haywood Christian, born 16 Feb 1852 in TN.; married to Texas Cordelia Cosper; parents probably born TN also and died about 1860 either in TN or DesArc, AK area; brothers named William and Gib. Haywood Christian ran away from brother William's home in DesArc when he was 14 and eventually settled in Fort Chadbourne, TX area. Does anyone know anything about this family?
Matilda Christian was born July 10, 1850 probably in VA or W. VA. Married William R. MULL. She had 9 children born between 1873-1890, And she is reported to have died in New Haven IL about 1908.
1.. Mary Mull b. abt 1873 m. Thomas Bartley d. abt 1938 Shawneetown, Gallatin Co, IL
2.. William Thomas Lee Mull abt 1876 Cape Co, MO (as per Marriage Cert) m. Effie Burnett
3.. Peter Lee Louis Mull was born 3 Sept, 1880 in Warrick Co, IN (as per his SSN application)
4.. Pearl b. abt. 1881 in Cape Geraurdo MO.(as per Marriage Cert) m. Henry Mull (I grandfather says they were 1st cousins)
1.. The marriage certificate of HH and PJ Mull says that Henry was born in Knox Co, IN abt 1871 and living in Alexander IL in 1899 at the time of their marriage
5.. Annie D. b. abt 1882 m. "Keener" Lawrence
6.. Charles Louis b. abt 1884 (possibly Vanderburgh Co) m. Kate Heims d. Casey Co, KY
7.. Unknown
8.. Infant Male
9.. Infant Female
1880 US Census
Census Place: Ohio, Warrick, Indiana
Source: FHL Film 1254320 National Archives Film T9-0320 Page 261D
Relation Sex Marr Race Age Birthplace
William MULL Self M M W 31 IN Occ: Farm Laborer Fa: IN Mo: IN
Mary MULL Dau F S W 7 IN Occ: Keeping House Fa: IN Mo: IN
Thomas MULL Son M S W 4 IN Fa: IN Mo: IN
(no idea where Matilda is in this census)
Liesa
Hi all,
It seems that the AOL address bounced, so I want to verify with them that
they are getting emails from the list.
AOL customers you DO NOT need to reply if you recieve this email. This is
just an email from the list for you to verify that you are getting the list
posts.
Liesa
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Hello Allen,
Found your message on the board, it
appears that I may be connected to the Christian's
you mentioned, Please E. mail me and we can see
if we are related.
E. Miail
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Hello Allen,
Found your message on the board, it
appears that I may be connected to the Christian's
you mentioned, Please E. mail me and we can see
if we are related.
E. Miail
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Hello Allen,
Found your message on the board, it
appears that I may be connected to the Christian's
you mentioned, Please E. mail me and we can see
if we are related.
E. Miail
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Hello Allen,
Found your message on the board, it
appears that I may be connected to the Christian's
you mentioned, Please E. mail me and we can see
if we are related.
E. Miail
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Lets do a ROLL CALL.
For those of you new to the list there a couple of things to make it easier
1. Subject should be - Matilda Christian IN/KY/IL/MO or something similar NOT Roll Call. Don't know about everybody else by I have toooo many emails to read guess if it interests me.
2. Be as complete as you can. Don't tell us you are looking for Matilida and she was born in VA or W. VA if you know that Matilda Christian was born July 10, 1850 probably in VA or W. VA. Married William R. MULL. She had 9 children born between 1873-1890. Son Peter Lee Louis Mull was born 3 Sept, 1880 in Warrick Co, IN, and daughter Pearl was born about 1881 in Cape Geraurdo MO. And she is reported to have died in New Haven IL about 1908.
3. If you have more then one line make more then one post. We have a small list and it is easier to see each one separately.
Liesa
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I am looking for the parentage of Elizabeth Christian who married Moses
Odum Jr. of Northampton county, NC. I have 6 children for them and I
descend from Wiley Odum. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Tina Hall
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Mother inlaw was a Christian, born near Tuscaloosa in 1902. Her name was Clister, she had 4 sisters and some brothers. My husband was born in Berry AL north of Tuscaloosa, and so. of Jasper . We live in Huntsville AL now. We have been married 52 years. Write us if you wish.
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#1 -Mahala Jane "Haley" Dykes 25 Sept 1873
#2 - Eliza C. Shipley 3 Feb. 1880
#3 - Martha Elizabeth Wagner 25 JAN 1885
#4 - Dorthla Conrad Wells 19 Nov. 1903
Lorie, Have you and I exchanged info previously? I have alot of Hawkins Co., Tn Christian information. The death certificate you were looking for may be obtained from Martha Flenning, 1802 Charleston, Garland, TX 75041 she is a grandaughter of Bud. Let me hear from you. I feel sure she would have a copy. Nancy