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On and off over the years, I have tried to find information on Harold
Choate. I know nothing about him except that he only had one arm... or a
partial arm. I do not know if this is from birth, an accident, or from serving
in a war... and he "may" be my grandfather.
My dad died of cancer a few years ago without knowing his real father.
But he always wanted to know for sure. My mom and dad and Harold did meet
once... probably 45 years or more ago but DNA either did not exist or was not
as widely used as it is today. So today... I still search for him... and
because I'd like to see my broken family line finally put together... and
perhaps it would answer some medical questions I have regarding my family.
I did speak with a Harold Choate that lived in Galax, VA once... maybe
twice. I thought he looked soooo much like my dad... but he had both arms.
Would my grandmother have lied about that detail? I don't know. But if
there was anyone I could wish to call my grandfather, it would be him. He
was the kindest man. I hope he is still around.
Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
Deborah Elam
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I agree with you on ICW.....her research along with Nadine was pretty
thorough, and even though she had theories---she always said they were her
theories and conclusions.......but I trusted her judgment a whole lot more than
mine!! I've never even been to TN, though Cousin Dave has.....sorry to hear
that she passed away......I am sure she lost a lot patience with a lot of
us younger whippersnappers on this genealogy saga!!!
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Bev
When you help someone up a hill, you're that much nearer the top yourself.
In a message dated 12/8/2009 2:16:17 A.M. Central Standard Time,
tawquish(a)yahoo.com writes:
I considered Ms. Williams to be the foremost researcher on the southern
Choates. When she decided to quit her Choate research, she contacted me and
offered a lot of her research on my line of Choate...Sanders and his
brother Silas Choate. She also sent me her unedited book "Choates of the South"
that she had saved to her computer. At the time, she did state that she
was a little frustrated about people using her data "to fit their need" as
she put it. Although she had quit researching, she told me that she still
monitored the Choate forums...just to see what was being put out. I was
very sad to learn that Ms. Williams had passed away a few months ago.
As for mis-information, I am still trying to get people to change their
information about my Sanders Choate being married to Susan Jane Riley....he
was married to Nancy Titsworth, d/o Benjamin Titsworth and Winefred Hunt.
The Sanders Choate who married Susan Jane Riley was the s/o Silas Choate and
nephew/name-sake of my Sanders.
When it comes to the early Choate*S, I always keep an open mind and I have
changed some of my data when new facts arose. I guess I need to say that
I am not one of those who have assigned Austin Bulger Choate to the wrong
set of parents.
Any help with the early southern Choate*S is most appreciated and I guess
I need to check to see if Bruce York has anything regarding my line and if
he has the right information about them. My line descends through
Christopher Choate and Prudence Staley through their son Moses Choate who is said
to have been married to the daughter of Samuel Sanders/Saunders and Pashika
of the Shawnee Pekowi Clan (Little Turtle Clan).
Have A Good One
Berlene Jacques
--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Ascgary(a)aol.com <Ascgary(a)aol.com> wrote:
From: Ascgary(a)aol.com <Ascgary(a)aol.com>
Subject: Re: [CHOATE] Fw: Austin Bulger Choate
To: choate(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 7:39 PM
Bev Casey and I started down the research road on the Choate line. We
shared our information as we
went down that road. I have been to Fentress County and Overton County,
to their libraries and court houses great many times. Also, doing
research
at the Tennessee State Library. Even the National Archives has provided
some great information.
I had the great pleasure to visit in the home of Irene Choate Williams.
One the bit information she gave,
that all the Choate's in Fentress County are related. She quit her
research and responding to persons
as the Internet became active. So many people would contact her with so
much un-documented information,
she gave up. She quit her news letters and retired.
As Bev did her research on Austin Bulger Choate, I did mine on (gg
father)
Austin Choate, b.1795 married to Elizabeth Young. I will tell you up
front, Irene Choate Williams provide the Young name to me. I have not
found any
Young family connection to Elizabeth.
I believe that Bev Casey and mine research are well documented through
the
years of our researches.
I am coming to believe that Irene Choate Williams was correct when spoke
about those persons that
only doing Internet researches without doing the hard work to make sure
that information is correct.
I know that some of the information that Bruce York has on my family line
is incorrect and I know the
person(s) that has provided the wrong information to him.
Dave Atkinson, Tulsa, OK
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Hi Bev,
I was wondering about your Casey name. My grandpa Daniel was married to Arabelle Chote (not for sure when the spelling changed) and they were 1st. Baptist ministers then 2nd. Nazarene ministers.
Grandpa Daniel's brother, Lee Hezikiah Daniel, married Emma Loren Casey about 1905 in Wickes, Polk County, Arkansas but Uncle Lee was also a minister and both couples spent a lot of time in Oklahoma establishing churches all by covered wagon.
Emma was born May 15, 1873 in Kentucky. She died in Okema, Okfuskee County, Oklahoma on May 18, 1940. She and Uncle Lee had one son, Fred Bartleman Daniel. Fred died on December 13, 1982 in Idabel, McCurtain County and is buried in the Denison Cemetery in Idabel. I would like to find out where Uncle Lee and Aunt Emma were buried.
So I was wondering if you have any information about Aunt Emma? She died before I was born and my mother and aunt knew her but they are both gone and I would like to find out who her parents were.
Berlene
--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Bebalebok(a)aol.com <Bebalebok(a)aol.com> wrote:
From: Bebalebok(a)aol.com <Bebalebok(a)aol.com>
Subject: Re: [CHOATE] Fw: Austin Bulger Choate
To: choate(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 7:34 AM
Austin Choate (b.1815) and Mary Ann Barnes (b.1821) is my direct
line......as for the Bulger middle name----that came from a genealogy paper that was
dated back in 1966...it said revised........I believe it was from of
Austin Bulger Choate and his descendants.....I heard there was a book of the
like out there somewhere but have never seen it...... there is no name signed
on these papers I have and I have had it many, many years......from the
late 70's I believe.......I have a cassette tape of an interview that my
mother and I did with Granny Biggs (Hattie Choate Biggs) back in 1975, and my
cousin Charles had it transcribed and typewritten for us to keep for our
family records..........I guess I had better find that and see what all is in
it.........I do remember that Granny mentioned her grandmother Choate as
smoking a clay pipe and calling her Grandma Molly or Polly..............
When I started this genealogy stuff, some of the first research I found
was from the Southern Choate Family Assoc. that was based in Oklahoma
City........there was a William (Billy) Choate that was president---think he lived
in Seminole, OK---and two members of it were Irene Choate Williams and a
Nadine Perkins.....they made at that time, a lot of research trips and
published their findings thru this organization............
>From the start, I have told everyone that I was not the Sherlock Holmes,
but tried to be the Dr. Watson that just recorded the info that everyone had
for a central database to help point people in a direction when they came
to a brick wall or were out of ideas.............and kudos to Bruce for
taking this job on, especially with a whole county, not just a couple of
surnames......
Beckie (OdieLion) has e-mailed me and hopefully with what info I can find,
someone can get me straight on the glaring error stuff.........
Same thing goes on with my Casey, Biggs, Conatser lines..........always
bite off more than we can chew!!!!!
Bev Casey - Tecumseh, OK
‹
In a message dated 12/6/2009 9:54:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,
tawquish(a)yahoo.com writes:
Hi Bev,
I was wondering how you determined that Austin's middle name was Bulger?
Is this Austin your line of Choate*S?
Also, I took a look at Bruce York's data on Rootsweb and he has a note
that Elizabeth "Betsey", w/o of Austin who was s/o Christopher, may or may not
be named Young..she could have been a Gutherie/Guthery. Without knowing
her true surname, it would be impossible to assign parents to her as Bruce
has done. Although, I agree that given the times, her middle name could
very well have been Young.
Bruce also states that Christopher's middle name may not be Columbus as no
one has been able to connect that name to him.
It sure would be nice if we were able to assign middle names to all the
Choate men who were name-saked....it would definitely make things easier!!!
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Have A Good Day and a Merry Christmas
Berlene Jacques ~ Great-granddaughter of Arabelle Chote(Choate) of
Arkansas
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I considered Ms. Williams to be the foremost researcher on the southern Choates. When she decided to quit her Choate research, she contacted me and offered a lot of her research on my line of Choate...Sanders and his brother Silas Choate. She also sent me her unedited book "Choates of the South" that she had saved to her computer. At the time, she did state that she was a little frustrated about people using her data "to fit their need" as she put it. Although she had quit researching, she told me that she still monitored the Choate forums...just to see what was being put out. I was very sad to learn that Ms. Williams had passed away a few months ago.
As for mis-information, I am still trying to get people to change their information about my Sanders Choate being married to Susan Jane Riley....he was married to Nancy Titsworth, d/o Benjamin Titsworth and Winefred Hunt. The Sanders Choate who married Susan Jane Riley was the s/o Silas Choate and nephew/name-sake of my Sanders.
When it comes to the early Choate*S, I always keep an open mind and I have changed some of my data when new facts arose. I guess I need to say that I am not one of those who have assigned Austin Bulger Choate to the wrong set of parents.
Any help with the early southern Choate*S is most appreciated and I guess I need to check to see if Bruce York has anything regarding my line and if he has the right information about them. My line descends through Christopher Choate and Prudence Staley through their son Moses Choate who is said to have been married to the daughter of Samuel Sanders/Saunders and Pashika of the Shawnee Pekowi Clan (Little Turtle Clan).
Have A Good One
Berlene Jacques
--- On Mon, 12/7/09, Ascgary(a)aol.com <Ascgary(a)aol.com> wrote:
From: Ascgary(a)aol.com <Ascgary(a)aol.com>
Subject: Re: [CHOATE] Fw: Austin Bulger Choate
To: choate(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Monday, December 7, 2009, 7:39 PM
Bev Casey and I started down the research road on the Choate line. We
shared our information as we
went down that road. I have been to Fentress County and Overton County,
to their libraries and court houses great many times. Also, doing research
at the Tennessee State Library. Even the National Archives has provided
some great information.
I had the great pleasure to visit in the home of Irene Choate Williams.
One the bit information she gave,
that all the Choate's in Fentress County are related. She quit her
research and responding to persons
as the Internet became active. So many people would contact her with so
much un-documented information,
she gave up. She quit her news letters and retired.
As Bev did her research on Austin Bulger Choate, I did mine on (gg father)
Austin Choate, b.1795 married to Elizabeth Young. I will tell you up
front, Irene Choate Williams provide the Young name to me. I have not found any
Young family connection to Elizabeth.
I believe that Bev Casey and mine research are well documented through the
years of our researches.
I am coming to believe that Irene Choate Williams was correct when spoke
about those persons that
only doing Internet researches without doing the hard work to make sure
that information is correct.
I know that some of the information that Bruce York has on my family line
is incorrect and I know the
person(s) that has provided the wrong information to him.
Dave Atkinson, Tulsa, OK
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Bev Casey and I started down the research road on the Choate line. We
shared our information as we
went down that road. I have been to Fentress County and Overton County,
to their libraries and court houses great many times. Also, doing research
at the Tennessee State Library. Even the National Archives has provided
some great information.
I had the great pleasure to visit in the home of Irene Choate Williams.
One the bit information she gave,
that all the Choate's in Fentress County are related. She quit her
research and responding to persons
as the Internet became active. So many people would contact her with so
much un-documented information,
she gave up. She quit her news letters and retired.
As Bev did her research on Austin Bulger Choate, I did mine on (gg father)
Austin Choate, b.1795 married to Elizabeth Young. I will tell you up
front, Irene Choate Williams provide the Young name to me. I have not found any
Young family connection to Elizabeth.
I believe that Bev Casey and mine research are well documented through the
years of our researches.
I am coming to believe that Irene Choate Williams was correct when spoke
about those persons that
only doing Internet researches without doing the hard work to make sure
that information is correct.
I know that some of the information that Bruce York has on my family line
is incorrect and I know the
person(s) that has provided the wrong information to him.
Dave Atkinson, Tulsa, OK
Austin Choate (b.1815) and Mary Ann Barnes (b.1821) is my direct
line......as for the Bulger middle name----that came from a genealogy paper that was
dated back in 1966...it said revised........I believe it was from of
Austin Bulger Choate and his descendants.....I heard there was a book of the
like out there somewhere but have never seen it...... there is no name signed
on these papers I have and I have had it many, many years......from the
late 70's I believe.......I have a cassette tape of an interview that my
mother and I did with Granny Biggs (Hattie Choate Biggs) back in 1975, and my
cousin Charles had it transcribed and typewritten for us to keep for our
family records..........I guess I had better find that and see what all is in
it.........I do remember that Granny mentioned her grandmother Choate as
smoking a clay pipe and calling her Grandma Molly or Polly..............
When I started this genealogy stuff, some of the first research I found
was from the Southern Choate Family Assoc. that was based in Oklahoma
City........there was a William (Billy) Choate that was president---think he lived
in Seminole, OK---and two members of it were Irene Choate Williams and a
Nadine Perkins.....they made at that time, a lot of research trips and
published their findings thru this organization............
>From the start, I have told everyone that I was not the Sherlock Holmes,
but tried to be the Dr. Watson that just recorded the info that everyone had
for a central database to help point people in a direction when they came
to a brick wall or were out of ideas.............and kudos to Bruce for
taking this job on, especially with a whole county, not just a couple of
surnames......
Beckie (OdieLion) has e-mailed me and hopefully with what info I can find,
someone can get me straight on the glaring error stuff.........
Same thing goes on with my Casey, Biggs, Conatser lines..........always
bite off more than we can chew!!!!!
Bev Casey - Tecumseh, OK
‹
In a message dated 12/6/2009 9:54:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,
tawquish(a)yahoo.com writes:
Hi Bev,
I was wondering how you determined that Austin's middle name was Bulger?
Is this Austin your line of Choate*S?
Also, I took a look at Bruce York's data on Rootsweb and he has a note
that Elizabeth "Betsey", w/o of Austin who was s/o Christopher, may or may not
be named Young..she could have been a Gutherie/Guthery. Without knowing
her true surname, it would be impossible to assign parents to her as Bruce
has done. Although, I agree that given the times, her middle name could
very well have been Young.
Bruce also states that Christopher's middle name may not be Columbus as no
one has been able to connect that name to him.
It sure would be nice if we were able to assign middle names to all the
Choate men who were name-saked....it would definitely make things easier!!!
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Have A Good Day and a Merry Christmas
Berlene Jacques ~ Great-granddaughter of Arabelle Chote(Choate) of
Arkansas
> Have been corresponding with Bruce York of the Fentress Co., TN list,
> trying to make corrections for
> my direct family line of Choates from Fentress Co.
I'm somebody else whose database has a lot in common with the database of
Bruce York. However, I'm not sure how my Choates fit in with the branch
from Fentress County.
The primary focus of my research on my mother's side of the family is
Anderson County, Tennessee. My mother is a Peters from Anderson County. I
have several different Peters lines due to cousin marriages. And I have
even more different England lines than different Peters lines in Anderson
County, again due to cousin marriages. One of my Anderson County ancestors
was my ggggg grandfather John England who married Vesta Zipporah Choate.
Many of my Anderson County families seem to have arrived from Europe via
Philadelphia. Over a number of generations, they seem to have spread out
into western Pennsylvania, then moved down into the western Virginia valleys
(including the Shenandoah Valley), and finally moved down into East
Tennessee (including Anderson County). My Anderson County families moved
into the western end of the county, adjacent to Roane County and Morgan
County. So many of them spread westward into Roane County and Morgan
County, and often another county over into Fentress County. For example, my
ggg grandfather John England (grandson of Vesta Zipporah Choate and the
elder John England) was born and raised in Anderson County, but he moved to
Fentress County after the Civil War. An affidavit in his Civil War pension
file described him as having "moved to the mountains after the Civil War",
and he appeared in the 1870 census in Fentress County. His first wife was
my ggg grandmother Jenny Peters, and she is buried in Fentress County. The
younger John England himself is buried in Morgan County, but near the
Fentress County line. His second wife is also buried in Morgan County, but
they are not buried together. Go figure.
The elder John England and his wife Vesta Zipporah Choate apparently moved
to Tennessee from Montgomery County, Virginia about 1799. Here are some of
my research notes about the family.
On 9 Sep 1799, John sold land in Montgomery County, Virginia. It appears
that after selling this land he removed to Anderson County, Tennessee. The
names Jacob, Joseph, John, and Austin England, and Christopher and Austin
Choate all appear on the Anderson County tax list for 1802. John's estate
was settled in Anderson County 16 July 1817, Zipporah England,
administratrix. Papers for settlement of Zipporah's estate were submitted
30 Oct 1852, and settlement was made in the Anderson County, Nov. 1852 term
of court. The report of the sales and inventory of personal goods was dated
3 Feb 1851. Zipporah had owned several parcels of land in Anderson County.
Ref.: Willis Hutcherson, Tennessee Homesteaders and Land Owners, Fourth
Surveyors District, Survey Book 19-8-1810, Entry Book 1814-1815, pp. 48, 50,
56, 66, 96, 97; Anderson County, Tennessee Tax list, 1802; Anderson County,
Tennessee estate settlement papers, 1817, 1852; Anderson County, Tennessee
Wills Book 1847-1852, pp. 197, 199; Family records in the possession of
Jeannette Wasson Gray and Jane Coward Turner.
In the 1802 Anderson County tax list, Capt. McCabe's Compy included the
following individuals: Austin Choat (1 poll), another Austin Choat (1 poll),
Christopher Choat (1 poll), Jacob England (1 poll), Joseph England (1 poll),
and John England (1 poll).
The 1778 Washington County, Tennessee tax list includes the following
individuals: Austin Choate, Christopher Choate, Edward Choate, Richard
Choate, Thomas Choate, Charles England, John England, and Joseph England. I
wonder if John England sold his land in Montgomery County, Virginia after
moving to Tennessee, or if this was a different John England.
Anderson County Deed Book A-1 page 162. 18 Aug 1818 Joseph England & Jane
England to Spencer Keith for _____, to each one paid, 200 acres, their claim
to the place where John England, father of said Joseph and Jane England
lived and deceased, on South side of a ridge, corner of a tract conveyed by
James Russell to William Wyatt, thence on dividing line formerly run by
James & Brice Russell, being the closing line of Wyatt's conveyance. Reg.
16 Apr 1825. Wit: Zipporah England Joseph England James Scarbrough
Jane England, Abraham Hagler.
I'm a long way from sorting all of this out to my satisfaction. Note that
in 1778, Washington County was essentially all of what is now Tennessee, and
it was still part of North Carolina. I think the Choates and Englands
living in Tennessee at that time were probably living in what is now
Sullivan County in upper East Tennessee. There was a Revolutionary War fort
in Sullivan County called Shoates Fort which was probably named for the
Choate family, with Shoate being an alternative spelling. So it's very
confusing that the John England who I think was my John England that married
Vesta Zipporah Choate sold land in Montgomery County, Virginia in 1799.
Then we have the same Choate given names of Austin and Christopher being in
Fentress County, so it's *very* confusing. Anderson County was created in
1801, and Fentress County was created in 1823.
One of my favorite names in this research is a fellow named Charles Choat
(Charlie) England, 1883-1964. His middle name of Choat (no e, apparently)
has been confirmed from his WWI draft registration card. Charlie was the g
grandson of Vesta Zipporah Choate, and clearly must have been named for his
g grandmother.
Jerry Bryan
Hi Bev,
I was wondering how you determined that Austin's middle name was Bulger? Is this Austin your line of Choate*S?
Also, I took a look at Bruce York's data on Rootsweb and he has a note that Elizabeth "Betsey", w/o of Austin who was s/o Christopher, may or may not be named Young..she could have been a Gutherie/Guthery. Without knowing her true surname, it would be impossible to assign parents to her as Bruce has done. Although, I agree that given the times, her middle name could very well have been Young.
Bruce also states that Christopher's middle name may not be Columbus as no one has been able to connect that name to him.
It sure would be nice if we were able to assign middle names to all the Choate men who were name-saked....it would definitely make things easier!!!
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Have A Good Day and a Merry Christmas
Berlene Jacques ~ Great-granddaughter of Arabelle Chote(Choate) of Arkansas
--- On Sat, 12/5/09, It's Bev <bebalebok(a)aol.com> wrote:
From: It's Bev <bebalebok(a)aol.com>
Subject: [CHOATE] Austin Bulger Choate
To: CHOATE(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 10:07 PM
Have been corresponding with Bruce York of the Fentress Co., TN list, trying to make corrections for
my direct family line of Choates from Fentress Co.
There seems to be some misdirection out about Austin Bulger's
parents......from all the research I have gleaned along with help from Dave Atkinson and my cousin
Charles Biggs, as well as background done by Irene Choate Williams and Nadine Perkins thru the
years.........his parents were
Austin Choate and Naomi (Oma) Pyburn and not Christopher Columbus Choate
of Fentress Co. Austin Bulger Choate, born abt 1786 was a brother to
Christopher of Fentress Co.----does anyone else on the list have their information as Austin
Bulger being the son Christopher Columbus Choate (Fentress) born born 1775.
Christopher of Fentress did have a son named Austin who was born 1795 and
he married Elizabeth "Betsy" Young.
I would like to clear this up so that Bruce can update and correct his
database, as a lot of people look at his info and all his hard work!!!
Also if any of you have kinfolk from that county in TN, you might want to take a look at his
database online and check out your family if it is there.................
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bruceyork
Thanks so much............Bev Casey - Tecumseh, OK
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Have been corresponding with Bruce York of the Fentress Co., TN list, trying to make corrections for
my direct family line of Choates from Fentress Co.
There seems to be some misdirection out about Austin Bulger's
parents......from all the research I have gleaned along with help from Dave Atkinson and my cousin
Charles Biggs, as well as background done by Irene Choate Williams and Nadine Perkins thru the
years.........his parents were
Austin Choate and Naomi (Oma) Pyburn and not Christopher Columbus Choate
of Fentress Co. Austin Bulger Choate, born abt 1786 was a brother to
Christopher of Fentress Co.----does anyone else on the list have their information as Austin
Bulger being the son Christopher Columbus Choate (Fentress) born born 1775.
Christopher of Fentress did have a son named Austin who was born 1795 and
he married Elizabeth "Betsy" Young.
I would like to clear this up so that Bruce can update and correct his
database, as a lot of people look at his info and all his hard work!!!
Also if any of you have kinfolk from that county in TN, you might want to take a look at his
database online and check out your family if it is there.................
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=bruceyork
Thanks so much............Bev Casey - Tecumseh, OK