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*laughing* - he could have changed his name!
Janmim(a)aol.com wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> This was on the Collin Co TX list...Murder, adultery, "got out of
> Dodge"....Must be a Choate!
>
> Janet
>
> Subj: [TXCOLL-N] Jefferson Anglin
> Date: 99-09-30 16:59:57 EDT
> From: YankeeGirl134572(a)aol.com
> Reply-to: TXCOLL-N-L(a)rootsweb.com
> To: TXCOLL-N-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
> Hi All
> I have a family story and was wondering if any one can help me verify it.
> (lol) My grandfather was born and raised in McKinney. The son of Samuel
> Andrew Anglin and Purlina Shipman. He had an older brother named Jeff or
> Jefferson. When my grandfather was 12 (1918) Jeff was shot and killed by a
> jealous husband. Apparently there was no arrest or trial because my
> grandfather sat by the roadside every day for quite a while with a shotgun
> waiting for the man to go by so he could shoot him. He was very upset with
> his father for not taking revenge ie an eye for an eye.
>
> Jeff was supposedly shot while escaping the bedroom of a married woman.
> Story goes that he was jumping into the back of a buckboard and was shot in
> the back. Any body have any ideas on how I can check this story out or find
> out where it happened or anything else? Thanks for listening.
>
> Jo
Hi All,
This was on the Collin Co TX list...Murder, adultery, "got out of
Dodge"....Must be a Choate!
Janet
Subj: [TXCOLL-N] Jefferson Anglin
Date: 99-09-30 16:59:57 EDT
From: YankeeGirl134572(a)aol.com
Reply-to: TXCOLL-N-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: TXCOLL-N-L(a)rootsweb.com
Hi All
I have a family story and was wondering if any one can help me verify it.
(lol) My grandfather was born and raised in McKinney. The son of Samuel
Andrew Anglin and Purlina Shipman. He had an older brother named Jeff or
Jefferson. When my grandfather was 12 (1918) Jeff was shot and killed by a
jealous husband. Apparently there was no arrest or trial because my
grandfather sat by the roadside every day for quite a while with a shotgun
waiting for the man to go by so he could shoot him. He was very upset with
his father for not taking revenge ie an eye for an eye.
Jeff was supposedly shot while escaping the bedroom of a married woman.
Story goes that he was jumping into the back of a buckboard and was shot in
the back. Any body have any ideas on how I can check this story out or find
out where it happened or anything else? Thanks for listening.
Jo
Hmmm - let's see. Can I match this? well... I don't have proof.
Just story told by a son/grandson of my one Rev. War ancestor, George
Hardin. Sorry, he's not a Choate. *grin*
Seems when they were at Valley Forge, ol' George was supposed to have
shot a squirrel for stew for Washington. *LOL*
Marjorie Kinkade wrote:
> James Choate, (the nephew of my 4th gt. grandfather) was one of the
> picked men that rowed General George washington and staff over in New
> York from Brooklyn on the evacuation of Long Island.
James Choate, (the nephew of my 4th gt. grandfather) was one of the
picked men that rowed General George washington and staff over in New
York from Brooklyn on the evacuation of Long Island.
Thanks Marjorie. There is certainly a lot more to this man then the
biographers let on. *smile* Makes me curious to know more about him.
Marjorie Kinkade wrote:
> Here is the rest of the story:
>
> Jacob went to sea in early life, and when he was 21, he was known as
> Capt. Choate. He was the owner of a vessel. Was very successful for a
> few years in the East India trade. Then, on returning home with a large
> cargo of rum, sugar, molasses and rice, his ship sank, He and the crew
> barely escaped in a small boat. The ship was old and this was intended
> to be the last voyage. He planned to convert his ship and cargo into
> land and become a farmer. He now found himself even with the world
> and engaged in tanning and shoemaking and prospered so that he made some
> investments in land in Boscawmen, NH.
>
> About that time there was a collapse of Continental money. (Maybe this
> is when he was run out of Chebacco -see last night's story)
>
> Later he emigrated to Canada. He stated from his home in NH in
> mid-winter, and before reaching Canada , he passed through a series of
> difficulties and dangers. (More hokey -pokey., do you suppose? - this
> story jumps around a lot in the book, and doesn't explain a lot) They
> journeyed with ox teams and sleighs, coming through the northern part of
> NY. When they reached the Niagara river above the Falls, the river was
> frozen and it was night, and they decided to wait until morning to cross
> on the ice. At daybreak, to their dismay, the ice had melted. Not to be
> outdone (Was he still running from the law? It doesn't say, so draw
> your own conclusion) he determined to cross on a flat-bottomed boat he
> found moored to the bank a short distance up the river. He cut a long
> pole and lashed it firmly across the craft, letting the ends extend over
> the sides of the boat. This done, he drove the 0x-team into the river,
> one on each side, up to the pole ends, which he fastened to the heads of
> the oxen, and by making them swim the river, the boat was thus
> propelled, and the family arrived safely on the Canadian shore (vid.
> Early Settlers in Canada)
>
> Nothing is said about his activities in Canada!!
Here is the rest of the story:
Jacob went to sea in early life, and when he was 21, he was known as
Capt. Choate. He was the owner of a vessel. Was very successful for a
few years in the East India trade. Then, on returning home with a large
cargo of rum, sugar, molasses and rice, his ship sank, He and the crew
barely escaped in a small boat. The ship was old and this was intended
to be the last voyage. He planned to convert his ship and cargo into
land and become a farmer. He now found himself even with the world
and engaged in tanning and shoemaking and prospered so that he made some
investments in land in Boscawmen, NH.
About that time there was a collapse of Continental money. (Maybe this
is when he was run out of Chebacco -see last night's story)
Later he emigrated to Canada. He stated from his home in NH in
mid-winter, and before reaching Canada , he passed through a series of
difficulties and dangers. (More hokey -pokey., do you suppose? - this
story jumps around a lot in the book, and doesn't explain a lot) They
journeyed with ox teams and sleighs, coming through the northern part of
NY. When they reached the Niagara river above the Falls, the river was
frozen and it was night, and they decided to wait until morning to cross
on the ice. At daybreak, to their dismay, the ice had melted. Not to be
outdone (Was he still running from the law? It doesn't say, so draw
your own conclusion) he determined to cross on a flat-bottomed boat he
found moored to the bank a short distance up the river. He cut a long
pole and lashed it firmly across the craft, letting the ends extend over
the sides of the boat. This done, he drove the 0x-team into the river,
one on each side, up to the pole ends, which he fastened to the heads of
the oxen, and by making them swim the river, the boat was thus
propelled, and the family arrived safely on the Canadian shore (vid.
Early Settlers in Canada)
Nothing is said about his activities in Canada!!
Thanks, Barbara, for looking those up - I never even thought of doing that. I
do enjoy your contributions to the list. I've gone to bed and couldn't sleep
so got up and turned on the computer again. Too tired to get out my book
again, but I will tell you more about Jacob tomorrow.
Barbara wrote:
> And for "keeper" - I think this might be the meaning.: esp. no. 2
>
> http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/WEBSTER.sh?WORD=keeper
> 2. One who retains in custody; one who has the care of a prison and the
> charge of prisoners.
>
> 3. One who has the care, custody, or superintendence of anything; as, the
> keeper of a park, a pound, of sheep, of a gate, etc. ;
> the keeper of attached property; hence, one who saves from harm; a defender;
> a preserver.
>
> Marjorie Kinkade wrote:
>
> > I've searched "The choates in America" book, and just MAYBE I found one
> > of the northern Choates that got in a little trouble.
> >
> > His name was Jacob Choate. Born in 1746 in Chebacco, MA. The book
> > says he was a man of great physical power. He was 6 ft. 3 inches tall,
> > weighed 250 pounds. It said he purchased fifteen hundred acres in
> > Enfield, NH, became involved; (doesn't say what he was involved in)
> > lost everything, even his horse was attached and placed under a keeper.
> > Jacob threw the keeper down the scuttle, took the horse and rode off.
> > (I don't know what a keeper or a scuttle is)
> > Having some trouble in Chebacco, he escaped to Boscowan N.H. Three men
> > went after him, but returned as they went, he refusing to go back
> > alive. (it didn't explain the trouble either - I just copied what the
> > book said - I don't know if he had gone back to Chebacco after he rode
> > the horse away from Enfield, or if he was chased out first - This is the
> > order of the story in the book - Are you as confused as I am?)
> >
> > The story went on to tell a few good things about him, but I didn't want
> > you to think we were just a bunch of goody-goodies, so unless you want
> > the rest of the story-----Good night.
> > Marj
*Laughing* you can't leave us with just half a tale..
The unsaid thoughts lead to really interesting ones.
"involved" - sounds like a woman
"keeper" - I 'd imagine it was some office - some one to keep and take care
of the horse? A repo-man?
"scutter" - now that's a new term - and doesn't sound too complimentary. *L*
And that IS a big man.
Marjorie Kinkade wrote:
> I've searched "The choates in America" book, and just MAYBE I found one
> of the northern Choates that got in a little trouble.
>
> His name was Jacob Choate. Born in 1746 in Chebacco, MA. The book
> says he was a man of great physical power. He was 6 ft. 3 inches tall,
> weighed 250 pounds. It said he purchased fifteen hundred acres in
> Enfield, NH, became involved; (doesn't say what he was involved in)
> lost everything, even his horse was attached and placed under a keeper.
> Jacob threw the keeper down the scuttle, took the horse and rode off.
> (I don't know what a keeper or a scuttle is)
> Having some trouble in Chebacco, he escaped to Boscowan N.H. Three men
> went after him, but returned as they went, he refusing to go back
> alive. (it didn't explain the trouble either - I just copied what the
> book said - I don't know if he had gone back to Chebacco after he rode
> the horse away from Enfield, or if he was chased out first - This is the
> order of the story in the book - Are you as confused as I am?)
>
> The story went on to tell a few good things about him, but I didn't want
> you to think we were just a bunch of goody-goodies, so unless you want
> the rest of the story-----Good night.
> Marj
I've searched "The choates in America" book, and just MAYBE I found one
of the northern Choates that got in a little trouble.
His name was Jacob Choate. Born in 1746 in Chebacco, MA. The book
says he was a man of great physical power. He was 6 ft. 3 inches tall,
weighed 250 pounds. It said he purchased fifteen hundred acres in
Enfield, NH, became involved; (doesn't say what he was involved in)
lost everything, even his horse was attached and placed under a keeper.
Jacob threw the keeper down the scuttle, took the horse and rode off.
(I don't know what a keeper or a scuttle is)
Having some trouble in Chebacco, he escaped to Boscowan N.H. Three men
went after him, but returned as they went, he refusing to go back
alive. (it didn't explain the trouble either - I just copied what the
book said - I don't know if he had gone back to Chebacco after he rode
the horse away from Enfield, or if he was chased out first - This is the
order of the story in the book - Are you as confused as I am?)
The story went on to tell a few good things about him, but I didn't want
you to think we were just a bunch of goody-goodies, so unless you want
the rest of the story-----Good night.
Marj
*laughing* - I think when the families split - the good ones went north -
and the others went south
Marjorie Kinkade wrote:
> Barbara, I'll search and see if I can come up with any of my line that
> got into some scrapes, but the stories that they printed seem to be of
> the GOOd relatives. I'll bet there were a few scalawags in the lot
> somewhere. HeeHee
> Marj
Barbara, I'll search and see if I can come up with any of my line that
got into some scrapes, but the stories that they printed seem to be of
the GOOd relatives. I'll bet there were a few scalawags in the lot
somewhere. HeeHee
Marj
A lovely story. Thanks, Marjorie. *smile*
I think I've temporarily run out of Choate stories, but I"m still waiting to
hear about the ones who got sent to prison...or had warrants against them
*grin*
Barbara
Marjorie Kinkade wrote:
> It's been awhile since we have had any stories about the Choates, so I
> will tell you one. It is taken from "Poetical Works of Henry W.
> Longfellow" pp 286-287 and found in the book "Choates in America"
> Elizabeth Bradley Choate was the 6th generation from John Choate of
> Ipswich. Her granddaughter, Helen Hamlin , when a child, read a poem by
> Bryon called "Prisoner of Chillon". In 1879 Miss Hamlin presented to
> the poet, Henry W. Longfellow, an iron pen, made from a bar of the iron
> gate of Chillon Castle, the handle made from a timber of the frigate
> "Constitution" and bound with a circlet of gold inset with three
> precious stones from Siberia, Ceylon and Maine. This beautiful gift is
> commemorated by Longfellow in the lines of a sonnet entitled "The Iron
> Pen". The graceful stanzas were sent to Miss Hamlin by the poet with
> the following letter:
> "Dear Miss Hamlin,
> You will have thought me very ungrateful or very negligent or both, that
> I have not sooner written to thank you once more for your beautiful
> present. The truth is that since you were here I have been much
> interrupted by visitors, and so much occupied with matters from which I
> could not disentangle myself, I have not been able to write what I
> wanted to, in the way I wanted to. Today I send you some lines, not
> written with the pen, but about the pen. I find that my hand is
> fettered by the bit of Bonnivard's chain and moves more easily with a
> lighter quill. With kindest regards.
> Yours truly,
> Henry W. Longfellow
> P.S. Perhaps some future day if you have no objection, I may like to
> publish these lines.
>
> The concluding lines of the poem are as follows:
> I shall hear the sweet low tone
> Of a voice before unknown
> Saying, "This is from me to you--
> >From me, and to you alone.
>
> And in words not idle and vain
> I shall answer and thank you again
> For the gift, and the grace of the gift,
> O beautiful Helen of Maine.
>
> And forever this gift will be
> As a blessing from you to me.
> As a drop of the dew of your youth
> On the leaves of an aged tree.
>
> It was a lovely poem, but I am not surprised that the poet didn't write
> with it. I just wonder how she acquired the iron from the castle and
> the wood from the ship-- or the gems. A fine gift to one she evidently
> didn't know, and I thought it was a touching story.
>
> Marj
It's been awhile since we have had any stories about the Choates, so I
will tell you one. It is taken from "Poetical Works of Henry W.
Longfellow" pp 286-287 and found in the book "Choates in America"
Elizabeth Bradley Choate was the 6th generation from John Choate of
Ipswich. Her granddaughter, Helen Hamlin , when a child, read a poem by
Bryon called "Prisoner of Chillon". In 1879 Miss Hamlin presented to
the poet, Henry W. Longfellow, an iron pen, made from a bar of the iron
gate of Chillon Castle, the handle made from a timber of the frigate
"Constitution" and bound with a circlet of gold inset with three
precious stones from Siberia, Ceylon and Maine. This beautiful gift is
commemorated by Longfellow in the lines of a sonnet entitled "The Iron
Pen". The graceful stanzas were sent to Miss Hamlin by the poet with
the following letter:
"Dear Miss Hamlin,
You will have thought me very ungrateful or very negligent or both, that
I have not sooner written to thank you once more for your beautiful
present. The truth is that since you were here I have been much
interrupted by visitors, and so much occupied with matters from which I
could not disentangle myself, I have not been able to write what I
wanted to, in the way I wanted to. Today I send you some lines, not
written with the pen, but about the pen. I find that my hand is
fettered by the bit of Bonnivard's chain and moves more easily with a
lighter quill. With kindest regards.
Yours truly,
Henry W. Longfellow
P.S. Perhaps some future day if you have no objection, I may like to
publish these lines.
The concluding lines of the poem are as follows:
I shall hear the sweet low tone
Of a voice before unknown
Saying, "This is from me to you--
>From me, and to you alone.
And in words not idle and vain
I shall answer and thank you again
For the gift, and the grace of the gift,
O beautiful Helen of Maine.
And forever this gift will be
As a blessing from you to me.
As a drop of the dew of your youth
On the leaves of an aged tree.
It was a lovely poem, but I am not surprised that the poet didn't write
with it. I just wonder how she acquired the iron from the castle and
the wood from the ship-- or the gems. A fine gift to one she evidently
didn't know, and I thought it was a touching story.
Marj
Sounds like rather typical little boys *grin*
P1TTYPAT(a)aol.com wrote:
> You heard about Uncle Oinkley? He found out he had royalty in his ancestry.
> Someone said he must be proud. He said not necessarily - they ate with their
> fingers, didn't bathe, slept with their dogs and had fleas. Not the sort of
> person you would want in your house today!!
You heard about Uncle Oinkley? He found out he had royalty in his ancestry.
Someone said he must be proud. He said not necessarily - they ate with their
fingers, didn't bathe, slept with their dogs and had fleas. Not the sort of
person you would want in your house today!!
Thought this might give us all some ideas on how to deal with those
questionable relatives!!!! LOL ...Deb
Family Tree
The Smith's were proud of their family tradition. Their ancestors had
come to America on the Mayflower. Their line had included Senators and Wall
Street wizards. Now they decided to compile a family history, a legacy for
the children. They hired a fine author.
Only one problem arose----how to handle that great-uncle who was
executed in the electric chair. The author said he could handle that chapter
of history tactfully.
The book appeared. It said that "Great-uncle George occupied a chair
of applied electronics at an important government institution, was attached
to his position by the strongest of ties and ... his death came as a real
shock."
THE ELUSIVE ANCESTOR
I went searching for an ancestor. I cannot find him still.
He moved around from place to place and did noteave a will.
He married where a courthouse burned. He mended all his fences.
He avoided any man who came to take the U.S. Census.
He always kept his luggage packed, this man who had no fame.
And every 20 years or so, this rascal changed his name.
His parents came from Europe. They should be upon some list
of passengers to U.S.A., but somehow they got missed.
And no one else in this world is searching for this man.
So, I play geneasolitaire to find him if I can.
I'm told he's buried in a plot, with tombstone he was blessed;
but the weather took engraving, and some vandals took the rest.
He died before the county clerks decided to keep records.
No Family Bible has emerged, in spite of all my efforts.
To top it off this ancestor, who caused me many groans,
Just to give me one more pain, betrothed a girl named JONES.
by Merrell Kenworthy
OK - now I got that out of the way *grin*
In the book:
"Choate's of the South, Descendants of Christopher Choate of Maryland" Vol. I
Irene Choate Williams, 1983.
p. 89
North Carolina Records
D.C. R. 8.006 -- The State vs. Thomas Powell & Robert Powell... Powell's
"with force & arms did feloniously steal a horse of bay colour of the price of
five pounds of one John Thompson"... Sabret Shoat, witness (1785)
Volume II
p. 5
Robertson County, Tennessee
Count Court Minutes , Book 1, 1796-1807
p. 134 - 22 April 1800 - Volentine Choate & Wm. B. Powell secruities for John
Pankey admitted to keep an ordinary in Springifeld one year. Bond $500.
p. 9
Robertson County, Tennessee
Wills, Bonds, Inventories & Sales Books, VOlume #8, 1832-1835 (Index
incomplete)
p. 3-6 An inventory & Account of sale of the property of Edward Choat,
deceased, soldo n the 8th & 9th of December 1831. Buers at sale
were:...Matthew Powell...
p. 40
Maury County, Tennessee
Wills & Settlements, Book A-1
Page 68 - Sale of goods of James Knox, deceased. Heirs: Widow, Peggy Powell;
Sally youngest daughter; Joseph Choate, who married Jenny Knox, daughter of
James Knox. 24 October 1812 Signed: William Frierson Henry Kirk
p. 42
Maury County, Tennessee
Volume 1, Book J.
Page 156 - 18 December 1820. Recorded 25 June 1821
Joseph CHoate & his wife Jane, sold 1/6 of 200 acre tract of land in Montgomery
County, TN (upper part of county), to James Knox, of Montgomery County whereon
Joseph John Williams now lives, for $40.00. Joseph Choate, of Maury County,
TN. Witnesses: James Choate & RObert Knox.
Note: Other deeds concerning this land made it appear that James Knox died and
left six children: James, Robert, & ALexander Knox, Jane (Knox) Choate, Sarah
(Knox) Powell, wife of Isom Powell, and maybe a daughter that married James
Love (?) or a widow that would make up the 6th person. ICW
p. 104
Hardeman County, Tennessee
Marrigages 1838 -1852
Page 39 - Hugh Shott & Louisa McBride, License 1 Feb 1842, Sol. 3 Feb 1843 by
Wm. Powell, J.P.
Mary wrote:
> Wonder if anyone could give me some background on
> >the CHOATE name. I've found a possible family connection:
> >
> >??? CHOATE b.1773 (NC ?), m. in Maury Co., TN to Lewis POWELL b. 1769 NC.
> >Lewis parents: Ambrose POWELL and Margeret HOLT of Burke Co., NC. Ambrose'
> >father, Elias POWELL, b. Orange Co., Va.
> >
> >Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> >Mary Powell Spewachek
*laughing*
Just what kind of background do you want, Mary?
There are two major branches - Northern and Southern.
Most of us say CHoate - like in CHair. Some say CHoat like in SHow.
Some spell it with a final "e" and some don't.
And welcome to the list.
Barbara
Mary wrote:
> Wonder if anyone could give me some background on
> >the CHOATE name. I've found a possible family connection:
> >
> >??? CHOATE b.1773 (NC ?), m. in Maury Co., TN to Lewis POWELL b. 1769 NC.
> >Lewis parents: Ambrose POWELL and Margeret HOLT of Burke Co., NC. Ambrose'
> >father, Elias POWELL, b. Orange Co., Va.
> >
> >Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
> >Mary Powell Spewachek
Wonder if anyone could give me some background on
>the CHOATE name. I've found a possible family connection:
>
>??? CHOATE b.1773 (NC ?), m. in Maury Co., TN to Lewis POWELL b. 1769 NC.
>Lewis parents: Ambrose POWELL and Margeret HOLT of Burke Co., NC. Ambrose'
>father, Elias POWELL, b. Orange Co., Va.
>
>Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
>Mary Powell Spewachek