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Regarding the CHOATEs on the TX Ranger listing. M.L. CHOATE is my
GGGGrandfather. I found him listed on some early (1835-1860) militia
records, along with his son, Rufus, and son-in-law (my GGGrandfather)
James N. OLIPHANT. I don't think these are the TX Rangers in the
contemporary sense, either lawmen or baseball players...:-) Rather, I
think they were formed to protect the "homefront", possibly as the Civil
War was beginning. Obviously, I need to do more research on this.
Anyway, I do have the lineage from M(oses) L(ivingston) Choate forward,
and some questionable lineage back to Christoper Chotte, the immigrant
ancestor. Grandpa Moses donated the land for the town of Livingston,
TX, when Polk County was created soon after Texas became a state. I'm
planning a trip to East Texas next week, partly for the purpose of
additional research on Moses and his family. I'll share any goodies I
turn up!
Meanwhile, happy trails and happy hunting to all.
Jane Caperton Johnson
I have just updated and added more information to this homepage.
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/5455/index.html
There are some Taylors included in the Mobley page.
Also, there is a small group of Withrow's in Canada on the Other Withrow
Branches page.
Also, the pages at
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/8595/index.html
have also been updated some. These pages include Combs, Crowson,
Gingerich, Hardin, Heryford, Houchins, Snyder, stambaugh, Vinson,
Barbara Rivas
sayona(a)swbell.net
Dianna:
I am particularly interested in the information on the 'J.M.' and 'M.L.' Choates on
that Texas Rangers List. I have no information at all on any Choates in the Texas
Rangers.
Thank you,
Robbi Adams
Hi. I have no proof nor records as the Loves aren't my line. But my mother and her
sisters grew up in Purcell, Oklahoma, and there were Love families in that area. My
mom always said they were part Indian. I wonder if the Choates can claim Indian
ancestry further back than that?
Barbara Rivas
sayona(a)swbell.net
> Subject: CHOATE tid bits
> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 09:18:47 -0500
> From: Dianna Blair <blairrl(a)nwol.net>
>
> -----------------------------snip--------------
> our library received some new books and I was checking
> out one of them and found an interesting story about one CHOATE. This is an
> extracted shorter version, if this is of value to someone, I can
> copy the articles and send them to you. The first article is about Charlotte
> "Lotty" BURNEY CHOATE, stating that she is of Chickasaw descent and that her
> marriage to Col. Benjamin LOVE caused a stir among the Indian nation. Benjamin was
> assassinated and she then married Calvin S. CHOATE on Jan. 12, 1850 in Grayson Co.
> TX. She was reported to have lived to be over 100 years old.
>
>
Fellow Researchers,
I want to welcome all of you that are new to the CHOATE List. I was
checking on the list today and was pleasantly surprised as to how many
subscribers we have added. I think that now would be a good time to repost
all of your request, and maybe what names and dates you are working on as
well. With summer coming up, there will be more time available for
research and I hope that all will share with he list what they are working
on what they have found. I realize and agree that we are growing slowly,
but we are growing.
Rootsweb will activating some new hardware late Wednesday night, there fore
there may be some periods of outage, crashes, general interruptions, but
have been informed that it will not be for long, and will be well worth the
efforts. This is equipment is costly, so if you fill that you have been
able to get some valuable use out of any of the Rootsweb projects, please
consider becoming a member and donate to the cause. I want to stress at
this point, there is NO FEE REQUIRED for being on any of the mail list. If
you need any help or have a question, please feel free to contact me.
Dianna Choate Blair, Listowner CHOATE list
Listowner PERMIAN BASIN list
I am sure you all have this information, so I will just list the names. If
anyone is interested in this, let me know and I will copy it for you.
These are all CHOATE men that served as TX Rangers. The information
listed in the book contains, enlistment date, discharge date, length of
service, unit, commanding officer, and some (but not every entry) list
where they were born, age at enlistment, and where they served and fought.
The names listed were:
CHOATE, Dave
Gabrail
Gabriel (upon reading the dates of service, I believe this to be the
same individual as above)
William
Luke
Gabe (I don't think this is the same, but could be wrong, his enlistment
date is some 12 years after Gabriel)
J.M.
Jasper
John C.
M.L.
Thomas T.
We have a complete set of Indexed TX Rangers in our local library. There
are quite a few that are listed out of order, and did not check the SHOAT
spellings yet. If anyone is interested, let me know and I will do some
checking for you.
Hope this is of interest to someone.
Dianna Choate Blair, List owner
Hello fellow researchers,
I was finally able to get back to the library last night. It has been
several months since I could get there. That is a dull story so won't go
there. At any rate, our library received some new books and I was checking
out one of them and found an interesting story about one CHOATE. This is
not my line, but am sure it is someone's so am passing it on.
This is an extracted shorter version, if this is of value to someone, I can
copy the articles and send them to you.
The first article is about Charlotte "Lotty" BURNEY CHOATE, stating that
she is of Chickasaw descent and that her marriage to Col. Benjamin LOVE
caused a stir among the Indian nation. Benjamin was assassinated and she
then married Calvin S. CHOATE on Jan. 12, 1850 in Grayson Co. TX. She was
reported to have lived to be over 100 years old.
The second article was a reference to a land deal. The HARDWICK family
purchased a farm in Pickens County, Indian Territory from Charlotte CHO
ATE, widow of Ben LOVE. The farm was known as "Cow Pen Place" in lower
"Cross Timbers"
Hope this helps someone.
Dianna Choate Blair, List owner
Folks. Today I posted a query on two mailing lists. I then got a spam
mail from someone using Angelfire for their webpage.
The mailing I got was this:
Subject:
Re: Gingerich in California
Date:
Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:54:50 -0500
From:
"Anthony & Tracy Best" <best(a)worldnetla.net>
To:
"brivas" <sayona(a)swbell.net>
www.angelfire.com/biz/netel3
-----Original Message-----
From: brivas <sayona(a)swbell.net>
To: GERMAN-AMERICAN-L(a)rootsweb.com <GERMAN-AMERICAN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 2:26 PM
Subject: Gingerich in California
>These families moved to California before the turn of the century.
They
>were living in Pasadena. Does anyone have any information on them?
>
>James Marshall Gingerich
> b. 3 Aug 1848 PA
> d. CA
> m. Kate Benedict
>
>Mary Ella Gingerich
> b. 15 Jan 1861
> d. CA ?
> m. T. Charles Till
>
>Barbara Rivas
>sayona(a)swbell.net
>
>
This site is a solicitation for sellers of phone cards,etc.
I wrote to Angelfire and filled out a form.
http://www.angelfire.com/doc/feedback_toolbar.html
Angelfire rule #5 for their web users prohibits the sending of
unsolicited spam mail.
Barbara Rivas
sayona(a)swbell.net
Hi Shirley: I didn't think to copy any of the addresses from the messages
before I deleted them and since I only replied to you from my old system
rather than to any of them it didn't automatically copy his address into my
system. Try posting directly to the Choat-L(a)rootsweb.com and ask. Better
yet I'll just copy this reply to them and maybe James will answer you
directly.
patricia
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From: STaylorCal
To: KYLEP
Subject: Re: FW: Derius Choate
Date: Friday, April 24, 1998 9:55PM
Thank you everybody who was responding and especially you Patricia, sorry
you
got all the messages. I contacted Irene Williams 2 or 3 years ago and have
ream of stuff from her. Never got anything I didn't already have on Darius.
I don't know if all of these messages go to the whole list. I sure would
like
the email address of the James Choate who responded saying he thought Darius
was the son of Christopher and Sally and to know what he has seen to make
him
think this is so.
Thanks again. Shirley STaylorCal(a)aol.com
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From: STaylorCal
To: KYLEP
Subject: Re: Thomas Choate
Date: Friday, April 17, 1998 10:15PM
Hi, I read your message and would like to know how to get to the Choate
discussion group. Could you please give me instructions? My Choate
connection is Darius Choat, born TN abt 1890, married to Elizabeth Dabbs
(born
abt 1800 NC) in Maury Cnty, TN 1816. They were in Perry Cnty, Tn from abt
1826 to 1857. Their daughter Anne married Hugh Hand and they all moved to
Marion Cnty, AR in 1857. Have you ever come across a Darius Choate?
STaylorCal(a)aol.com
I am seeking information on Henry A. Choate who was married to Susan L. J.
Ensley on Sept. 6, 1862 in Nashville, Davidson County, TN. I would like to
know who his parents were and if he was killed during the Civil War. I belive
they had a son Harry. Who were the parents of Susan, etc.
Thanks,
Reba
Only a small part. In Texas, we have three private family
cemeteries. In one of them there is a Jolley buried. The family
member who used to tend this lace (long since dead) typed up a list of
the markers. He said that al marked graves are the family and there are
four unmarked graves of friends.
I will list just the surnames of the other markers.
CRAVENS, DARNELL, BREWER, EDWARDS, MOORE, NICHOLSON, TYLER
JOLLEY, ISHAM T. b. 12 July 1842 Wilson Co., TEN. d. 18 Apr 1890
HARRIET b. 19 Apr 1852 d.
9 Mar 1876 (Daugher of Gersham
and Zerelda Cravens)
If anyone wants the information on the other names, please let me know.
The other two family cemetaries are:
1. DAUGHERTY - And includes DAUGHERTY and MCDONALD
2. PETTIGREW - PETTIGREW, DAROSSET, MOAD
There is a third cemetery mentioned: with the grave of a HENRY & JANE
HUMBLE
Oh.. These graves are located north of Windom, Fannin Co., Texas.
(Northeast corner - between Honey Grove and Bonham)
Barbara Rivas
brivas(a)ou.edu
Hello Everyone,
I am searching for info about Aaron C. Choate b. 1740 m. Annie Hubble. They were in NC in 1763 when their son, Richard D. Choate was born. Richard D. m. Nellie McAfee and they had a son, Richard D., Jr. b. 1795 m. Ammy Hamilton. If you have any data, please contact me.
Thanks,
Joyce
joyce.barnett(a)MCI2000.com
Regarding origin of Choate family: recently while searching the name at the
LDS library, I came across a book that suggested the Choates came to America
from England but they did not originate in England. Rather, they were from
the Netherlands and were then known as Van Choate. Apparently, they dropped
the Van when resettled in England. I will try to locate this book and post
the exact name for anybody who wants to look into this further.
Wendy
Hi,
Back in the 1960's & 1970's I had a lengthy correspondence with Sid Cox who was an
English teacher at Texas A. & M., College Station, Texas. He had researched the Choates for many years. He had two sons, Jim and Donn Cox. Sid was writing a book about the Choates and was offered a grant by the college to do it. Does anyone know where I can contact Sid or his sons or his wife, Dawn? I think Sid would be in his 70's now. I do hope his research is not lost! I would appreciate any leads.
I am descended from Aaron C. Choate (1740) & his wife, Annie Hubble. I have quite a bit about the southern Choates and would like to go further back. Was Aaron a descendant of
Christopher?
Thanks,
Joyce Barnett
ps.: No Patricia, I am not the Joyce Barnett you asked about.
Hi Bennie: All the Choat/Choates are related in some fashion. As to the
name being French, it is not. Though your branch may have been in Louisiana
when it was still known as the Mississippi Territory (which was quite a bit
larger than what you think of today), the Choat family is in fact an old
English family with roots in Britain into the 1500s. There are notations
in the American States Papers for Choat family, no doubt probably your
husband's line. There are 2 distinct branches of Choates in the U.S., being
the John Choate line of Ipswich, MA and the Christopher Choate line of MD,
VA, NC, TN & etc. Yours would likely be the latter, as is mine.
I did a quick check on the Social Security Death Index based on your
statement that your husband's father was born in 1885 and found an Otis
Choate, b.8 October 1885, d.September 1962 with a SS#459-03-1560. While
there were other Otis Choatres listed this was the only one that fit your
criteria. If you'll go to the Ancestry site you can input the same
information and print out the results. The URL is:
http://www.ancestry.com/ssdi/advanced.htm
If you have any other information, certainly I would be pleased to do what
I can to help. There is also a Choate discussion group on the Roots Web
where you can also post Choate-specific queries. There are a couple of
Choate books out, one of which is dedicated to the MA line and the other to
the Southern Choats. (You'll notice I spell the name with or without an E
at the end and this depends on the individual branch,though it is the same
family). Most of the TX Choats are out of the TN lines, with the exception
obviously of yours, which came out of TN to LA much earlier, then into TX.
Looking forward to hearing from you with more information.
best regards, patricia
BChoate(a)aol.com on 04/02/98 09:43:14 PM
To: PJ Achramowicz/LA/SPE
cc:
Subject: Re: CHOATE
Hi, PJ............My husband's name is Otis Joseph Choate, Jr., although he
has always refused to claim the "Jr" part. Thus, our son was named Otis
Joseph Choate, Jr. This might possibly create a bit of confusion for
researchers, unless close attention is paid to dates. My husband's (we
call
him Joe) father and mother were divorced when Joe was only 2 yrs old, so he
never really knew his dad. We don't know much about that side of the family
and I have not had a chance, as yet, to do any in-depth research. we do
know
that his branch of Choates are French and from Louisiana and around the
Beaumont, TX area. The elder O.J. was quite a number of years older than
my
Joe's mother and already had grown children by a previous marriage, when he
married her. I happened to meet one of the (first family) daughters quite
by
accident, back in the mid-50's. She lived in the same neighborhood as us
and
my mother had a little beauty shop in the back of the house. This sister
used
to come and get her hair done there. We never got to know her though. We
had
only been married a year or two and were young enough that developing a
relationship with her held no interest for us. She was already middle-aged,
and I don't even remember her name. The elder OJ was born in 1885, in La.,
my
Joe was born in 1928,(Tx) and our son was born in 1955 (Tx.) Some years
ago,
we met and became friends with some Choates whom we decided were probably
related, but we've never persued finding out for sure. Their family was
from
the same area as Joe's family. Do you think you've a connection here?
Bennie Choate
Hi Lula: For your records, my e-mail address has changed from the one you
obviously had to send me your post. My new address is:
PJ_Achramowicz(a)spe.sony.com Please send any future correspondence to that
address.
LaVesta Jones is Thomas Choat's 1st wife. However, my Thomas Choat was born
c.1790 in NC and married probably a.1810 in Overton County (though other
researchers say Fentress County, however Fentress wasn't a county yet then).
It is possible that your Thomas is a son of the elder Thomas, though I have
an 1814 bd for the younger Thomas and a marriage to a Susan Pace.
However, keep in mind that a lot of the same names in the family repeated
themselves and your Thomas could also be a nephew of my older Thomas. My
particular branch of the family later moved from Fentress to Marion Co., TN
where I understand a number still remain. (From there my direct line left TN
for TX).
Are you aware that there's a Choat discussion group on the Roots Web where
you can post Choat specific queries?
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From: lrsmith
To: Kylep
Subject: Thomas Choate
Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 10:58PM
Hi , Im Lula Rhea Smith. I am doing research on Thomas Choate born
1811in N.C. He was married to Mary__________ . This is acording to
Fentress co. cencus. Where does Lavesta Jones come from? I am real
courious. Was he married twice? or is this another Thomas Choate. Their
children are as follows;
Hamilton
Tilda married Andrew Jackson Franklin
John
Austin
Nick?
Caroline (Married) Soloman Hogue. She is my g g grandmother.
Louisa Married Baalam Beaty
Zeb?
George
Amanda
Benjamine
If this your Thomas I would like to get your line of people.
My e-mail address is lrsmith(a)twlakes.net. By the way there has been come
confusion about my te 1st letter is (L) Not I all are lower case.
Hope to be able to find out who Lavesta Jones is???