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Thanks, Nancy
My Mom is a Chitwood and I started working on them in 1954-55. (oh,
lord that has been 52 years ago!) The only thing I had to get my
information was microfilm rented from LDS at the FHC. And, as I was not
Mormon, I was totally awkward about ordering and using the material,
since I had to go to the church and interact with the people there.
There was no genealogy section in the libraries back then. There wasn't
even an index done for the 1850 census yet, at that time, much less any
of the later ones.
So, I had to order one film at a time from each county and state and
read the whole census film for the name. Sometimes, it would take me
days to read one county census film!
I was so lucky, in that I found Matthias' and Mary Key Chitwood marriage
in the records very early. And at least, I found the locality for
research early on.
So, over these many years, I can't begin to tell you how many hours and
dollars (thousands of both, I'm positive) that I've spent on this
endeavor. So, it is upsetting when the "instant" genealogy is posted. I
guess it is all a part of the signs of the times when we have to have
gratification NOW, for anything we do and who ever heard of working for
what we get!!
I've become so cynical about it all, sometimes I just want to quit. The
internet is wonderful for getting the digital census online and digging
for the original records but as to the "garbage" that is posted by
individuals. I've found material posted that included my line and was
attached to lines that have no possible connections to mine. My line has
just about 'daughtered out' (and if people don't know what that means,
then they haven't done any original genealogy for very long)... :-)
People need to understand that this 'hobby' as so many call it, is not a
'hobby' to some of us, that work so hard, to make it something that will
be a monument to to those precious ancestors of ours, and not just a
coffee table book or subject of passing interest.
O.K., I'll get off the soap box and shut up.
Sue
Nancy Keith wrote:
>This is so absolutely *spot on*! As Carolyn Fairall said to me when I was
>just really getting into the CHITWOOD genealogy, "just because it's repeated
>over and over again doesn't make it true!" Her wise words have saved me
>from some major errors in my work - and from just believing everything I saw
>in print.
>
>I think that there are two major types of genealogists: the ones who just
>want names and dates and want it now, and the researchers who want their
>work to be believable. Although I have reams of material on CHETWODEs in
>England, I keep it all separate from my American CHITWOODs. Anything prior
>to Matthias I keep separate from anything subsequent from Matthias.
>
>One day, I am determined that those two bodies of work will be joined, but
>that hasn't happened yet.
>
>The word from here is VERIFY, VERIFY, and VERIFY AGAIN!
>
>Thanks, Sue, for sharing that sad story. We all need to hear that
>occasionally.
>
>Nancy
>in Michigan, where winter has returned with a vengeance
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Sue Ashby" <sueashby(a)earthlink.net>
>To: <chitwood(a)rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 10:19 AM
>Subject: [CHITWOOD] Chitwood Mis-information
>
>
>
>
>>Hello list,
>>
>>I am so upset over something that just happened to one of my Chitwood
>>cousins. Need to make others aware of what happens.
>>It is so typical of what happens when people take 'stuff' they find on
>>the internet and suck it up, to add to their pedigree without thought of
>>it being true or not.
>>
>>This cousin was given a book of the Chitwood line back to the year 1000
>>or so.
>>He is very old and has been so interested in our family for years but,
>>never had the money or access to sources, to work on it.
>>So, I have shared with him what I have worked on over the last 47 years.
>>But, when he was given this 'book' he was so excited he had to call me
>>and tell me that the Chitwood ancestry was all done. Isn't that just
>>"neato" !!
>>The person that gave it to him said they spent about $200.00 and found
>>it all online!! So, they just printed it out and bound it up in a book.
>>
>>Unless I have been in outer space somewhere and didn't know about it,
>>there has not been any parent(s) proven for Matthias.
>>For over 100 years it has been researched to no documented proof.
>>About 7 years ago I mentioned a "good possibility" of the parents and I
>>gave the source, of where I found them, but I said they WERE NOT PROVEN
>>( I won't mention them again and compound the mistake) But, the couple I
>>mentioned is now taken up as 'fact'.. I went to the family trees section
>>of ancestry and found it repeated over and over!!
>>
>>I just want to know WHY do people want to perpetuate unproved material?
>>Don't they want the truth about their ancestors ? Or, do they just don't
>>care if it is true or not, as long as they can claim a pedigree farther
>>back than anyone else?
>>I just don't get it, I guess.
>>Sorry, maybe I shouldn't post this but needed to ask folks to really
>>think about what they put online for innocents to pick up and use as
>>'fact'.
>>PLEASE, if you put something online, cite your sources (and I mean
>>original data not someone else's pedigree chart)
>>Sue
>>
>>
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Hello list,
I am so upset over something that just happened to one of my Chitwood
cousins. Need to make others aware of what happens.
It is so typical of what happens when people take 'stuff' they find on
the internet and suck it up, to add to their pedigree without thought of
it being true or not.
This cousin was given a book of the Chitwood line back to the year 1000
or so.
He is very old and has been so interested in our family for years but,
never had the money or access to sources, to work on it.
So, I have shared with him what I have worked on over the last 47 years.
But, when he was given this 'book' he was so excited he had to call me
and tell me that the Chitwood ancestry was all done. Isn't that just
"neato" !!
The person that gave it to him said they spent about $200.00 and found
it all online!! So, they just printed it out and bound it up in a book.
Unless I have been in outer space somewhere and didn't know about it,
there has not been any parent(s) proven for Matthias.
For over 100 years it has been researched to no documented proof.
About 7 years ago I mentioned a "good possibility" of the parents and I
gave the source, of where I found them, but I said they WERE NOT PROVEN
( I won't mention them again and compound the mistake) But, the couple I
mentioned is now taken up as 'fact'.. I went to the family trees section
of ancestry and found it repeated over and over!!
I just want to know WHY do people want to perpetuate unproved material?
Don't they want the truth about their ancestors ? Or, do they just don't
care if it is true or not, as long as they can claim a pedigree farther
back than anyone else?
I just don't get it, I guess.
Sorry, maybe I shouldn't post this but needed to ask folks to really
think about what they put online for innocents to pick up and use as 'fact'.
PLEASE, if you put something online, cite your sources (and I mean
original data not someone else's pedigree chart)
Sue
Hi, Y'all
Any corrections I have found to the original data in the Chitwood book I
have annotated in my book [if someone else posted it]. If I received it
from someone or found it myself I have annotated my book and posted a
message to the Chitwood forum at rootsweb.com.
If I may suggest if any of us has a correction to the book that we post
it to the list here with a similar subject something like: "Corrections
to Descendants of Matthias Chitwood published 1987" and then give the
corrections. Just to make sure I would post the same thing to the
Chitwood forum. I am suggesting this subject because there may be a new
addition to the Chitwood book some day and the 1987 would identify the
corrections to the specific edition. My suggestion about double posting
is that a newbie might be unaware of the list initially and that way the
information would be easily available. As always--please post the
source of your information on either one. Personal knowledge should be
cited as such.
judy
the old retired librarian
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Nancy,
Thanks for the information. I thought I had read that somewhere. I was hopeing than someone knew the exact location of the burial site so I could visit it. We are checking cemeteries, and have located them back to Amos and Captain James for this line.
Do you know where one can correct the information in Ira Chitwood's book. Some of information about living members of my family are not correct.
Julie W.
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I have the Chitwood book ("Descendants of Matthias Chitwood" by I O Chitwood) in front of me. In it is an excerpt from Lyman C Draper's "King's Mountain and its Heroes":
"The poor Loyalist leaders had been left swinging from the sturdy oak upon which they had been executed. No sooner had the Whigs moved off than Mrs Martha Bickerstaff, or Biggerstaff, the wife of Captain Aaron Bickerstaff who had served under [Major Patrick} Ferguson and been mortally wounded at King's Mountain, with the assistance of an old man who worked on the farm, cut down the nine dead bodies. Eight of them were buried in a shallow trench, some two feet deep, while the remains of Captain [James] CHITWOOD were conveyed by some of his friends, on a plank, half a mile away to Benjamin Bickerstaff's, where they were interred on a hill still used as a grave-yard."
Kings Mountain is very near the North / South Carolina border, not far from the Tennessee border, and is an outlying portion of the Blue Ridge Mountains.
Nancy
Sue,
No we haven't talked before. Thanks for the information. I
was planning a trip to NC.
We haven't been able to identify Amos' grave either. We
think it should be with the rest at Slippery Point Cemetery
I have not contributed much as most of my family is in
Ira's book. He talked to my grandmother and copied her
information. I would like to correct some of the names and
spellings. I don't think there will be much interest as my
grandfather and great grandfather were only children. Not
too many Chitwood cousins.
My mother, one of six children, was raised on the Chitwood
farm that Amos got the land grant to in 1812 in Indiana
Territory.
I sent some information to Genforum. We visited the Cemetery
in Jefferson Co IN and read some of the tombstones this
summer.
I would be happy to share any information that I have if
someone is interested.
Julie
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>
> Hi Julie,
> Have we 'talked' before?
>
> I was there a couple of years ago and was on the
> Bickerstaff property and talked to people who still live
> there. There is no longer a grave or remnants of a grave
> where Capt. James was buried.
>
> At one time there was a metal wrought iron fence around
> it. according to some history of the area. But, I was
> told that scavengers took the iron out (to sell,
> evidently) and no one is alive who knew where it existed.
> The "Hanging Tree" where the men were hanged fell down
> quite a few years ago. However, I took pictures of the
> area and of the buried bricks that were at one time, the
> old bridge that covered the stream where it all happened.
> I can't post post photos to the list so I can't let you
> all see the pictures we took.
> Capt. James is my 6th great grandfather. His wife was
> (according to old family history and cousins who are long
> dead, now) was a "Black Dutch", and no, I don't think
> she was Melungeon. At the time I first heard of this, (at
> least 45 years ago) no one had ever heard of Melungeons
> She was a dark haired German or "Dutch" in contrast to
> the blond blue eyed Germans that most people thought of
> at that time. That's why I wondered if she might be a
> Bickerstaff, since, they are of German origins, and
> might be related to the ones that came for his body.. But,
> none of the Bickerstaffs that I have talked to know of
> any female marrying a Chitwood. But, it does make sense..
> Sue
>
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> >Nancy,
> >Thanks for the information. I thought I had read that
> somewhere. I was hopeing than someone knew the exact
> location of the burial site so I could visit it. We are
> checking cemeteries, and have located them back to Amos
> > and Captain James for this line. Do you know where one
> can correct the information in Ira Chitwood's book. Some
> of information about living members of my family are not
> correct. >Julie W.
> >
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Hi Julie,
Have we 'talked' before?
I was there a couple of years ago and was on the Bickerstaff property
and talked to people who still live there.
There is no longer a grave or remnants of a grave where Capt. James was
buried.
At one time there was a metal wrought iron fence around it. according
to some history of the area. But, I was told that scavengers took the
iron out (to sell, evidently) and no one is alive who knew where it
existed. The "Hanging Tree" where the men were hanged fell down quite a
few years ago. However, I took pictures of the area and of the buried
bricks that were at one time, the old bridge that covered the stream
where it all happened.
I can't post post photos to the list so I can't let you all see the
pictures we took.
Capt. James is my 6th great grandfather. His wife was (according to old
family history and cousins who are long dead, now) was a "Black Dutch",
and no, I don't think she was Melungeon. At the time I first heard of
this, (at least 45 years ago) no one had ever heard of Melungeons .She
was a dark haired German or "Dutch" in contrast to the blond blue eyed
Germans that most people thought of at that time. That's why I wondered
if she might be a Bickerstaff, since, they are of German origins, and
might be related to the ones that came for his body.. But, none of the
Bickerstaffs that I have talked to know of any female marrying a
Chitwood. But, it does make sense..
Sue
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>Nancy,
>Thanks for the information. I thought I had read that somewhere. I was hopeing than someone knew the exact location of the burial site so I could visit it. We are checking cemeteries, and have located them back to Amos and Captain James for this line.
> Do you know where one can correct the information in Ira Chitwood's book. Some of information about living members of my family are not correct.
>Julie W.
>
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Someone correct me if I am wrong as I cannot find my Chitwood book right at the moment. As best I can remember Captain James is buried on the land owned by the Biggerstaff family near Sunshine, Rutherford County, NC. Again, from memory--Martha buried him and several of the 8 who were hung. As far as I know no one is quite sure where. Check the genforum.genealogy.com site for Chitwood--I am sure it was discussed there. One of the Chitwood descendants made a visit to Sunshine within the last few years and posted the information about her visit and the current condition of the site.
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Does anyone know the location of the burial site of Captain James Chitwood?
I descend from his 7th child Amos and Prudence Latimore.
Amos received a land grant from President Madison In 1812.
That farm remained in our family until this generation. We have located all of our ancestors except Amos and Prudence in the "Chitwood Cemetery" in Jefferson Co., IN which is still in use.
Is anyone researching Captain James' or Amos' descendants?
I too would like to see the Website and Book..
Julie W.
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Dear Caroyln,
Thank you for the information. I am looking for photographs of Minnie and Thomas as well as their parents if possible. I have in my possession many tintypes of Chitwood family members but no names except for one that says Nancy Chitwood.I also have letter written to Minnie Goodman. Hope you can help or direct me to someone who would have such photographs. My e-mail is Wiskup(a)aol.com Thanks Dorothy
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Dear Rick,
I have the genealogy of minnie and thomas. My granddaughter descends from their last child Edna pearl. I have in my possession which talk about such persons as Huldah and Bertha. I also have tintypes of Chitwood family members. What I am looking for are photographs of Minnie and Thomas. Hope you can help. I will share what I have. Dorothy My e-mail is Wiskup(a)aol.com
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My name is Chris Raines and Would love to see the Chitwood site. My mother is a Chitwood. Matthias would be my 7th Great Grandfather. My 2nd great grandfather was William Temple Chitwood 1868-1938. My email address is dstar28ent(a)hotmail.com
Thanks!!