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Would you please tell me some about your mother? We are looking for a half sister who's mother's name was Norma Jean. But we think our half sister would have been born in 1953.
How would you like to consider a different direction in the Matthias
CHETWODE issue?
Below are a couple of messages that I have copied from my Old English
List (another Rootsweb list) that might shed a different light on
Matthias' "apprenticeship". Below these are copies of a couple more
from our own list.
>> In 1718 the British parliament passed the Transportation Act. Some
60,000 (recorded) English convicts were then sold to those in the
colonies as indentured servant. 90% of these were sent to Maryland and
Virginia. [Kelly Gray]
> There were also earlier 'Indentured servants' who were, often enough,
criminals given the choice - go in bond to a master for a period of
years or stay and rot in prison. Some 'criminals' of course had done
something really serious like attending services elsewhere than at the
parish church/ preaching at those services. [Eve McLaughlin]
Matthias might have served as apprentice to Thomas Banks (d 1697), the same
as Thomas Banks had done for 7 years in his youth being bound to Mr.
Wallistone Merchant in Southampton. Thomas Banks was second husband of
Elizabeth (Rogers) Banks, in whose household Mathias served when he was
transported to Virginia by George Eskridge. [Carolyn Fairall]
So, Matthias is either an indentured servant brought over as a head
right to serve out his indenture (which means he or his family did not
have the money to pay his passage. But, I have not found his apprentice
papers. <snip> [Sue Ashby]
Do you suppose that Matthias could have been labeled a "criminal"? That
might explain his missing apprentice papers... "Criminals" were
convicted - and transported - for "crimes" such as stealing a
handkerchief or a loaf of bread. Is there any chance that he might have
hooked up with Elizabeth Banks to stay out of prison? What do you think?
Nancy
-----Original Message-----
From: Carolyn Fairall [mailto:fairall@earthlink.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 12:01 PM
To: 'Nancy Keith'
Subject: RE: Tucker's Book
Nancy,
It is always very interesting to hear yours and Julie's descriptions of
places and things we only read about.
Following is a little more about William Ludsthorp---
The Warkworth Brass for William Ludsthorp is pictured in Stephen Tucker book
with a reference to the Randle Holme pedigree. This copy of the Stephen
Tucker book is located in library at SLC (no pencil marks on this copy in
1980s).
"William Ludsthorp, Armiger. 1454. Williiam Ludsthorp was the second
husband of Elizabeth, sister and heir of Sir Thomas Chitwode, Lord of
Warksworth, and widow of Sir Thomas Baron of Wodhull." Note by Tucker:
"This name has been misspelt by Randle Holme." [.see chart on p. 7 in
Stephen Tucker book].
XII. Sir John Chetwode, Knight, d 1412, Lord of Warkworth, Chetwode and
Hocliffe (son and heir of Sir Nicholas), m(1) Mary, m(2) Amabell Greene, who
m(2) Thomas Strange.
Children of Sir John were:
a) John Chetwode, eldest son, d 1420 without children, buried at Warkworth.
b) Margery Chetwode, d 1420, buried at Warkworth, m. Jo. Browning
c) Sir Thomas Chetwode, Knight, m. Agnes, had 2 daughters who did not have
children.
d) Elizabeth Chetwood
XIII. Elizabeth Chetwode (daughter and final heir of Sir John), m(1) Thomas
Wodhull. "On failure of issue of his [Sir Thomas Chetwode's] daughters,
Warkworth with his other possessions passed to his sister and heiress
Elizabeth..." according to book by Frank Bulkeley Smith. Elizabeth m(2)
William Ludsthorp, buried 1454 at Warkworth. This was generation in which
manor of Chetwode passed to Wodhull line, where it stayed until 6
generations later when Agnes Wodhull married Richard Chetwode.
XIV. Sir Thomas Wodhull (son of Thomas Wodhull & Elizabeth Chetwode), m.
Isabell Trussell.
XV. John Wodhull, m. Johanne Etwell.
XVI. Foulke Wodhull, m. Anne Newenham.
XVII. Nicholas Wodhull, m. Mary Rawleigh.
XVIII. Anthony Wodhull, m. Anne Smith.
XIV. Agnes Wodhull, m. Richard Chetwode, bringing manor of Chetwode,
Buckinghamshire back into Chetwode family. [This Richard, was brother to
James Chetwood (XVIII) of Oakley, Staffordshire.] Grace Chetwood (m. Peter
Bulkeley) and the Irish Chetwodes come from Agnes Wodhull line, but the
Oakley Chetwood line does not.
Can't wait to hear about the next adventures in England. Thanks for
sharing.
Carolyn
-----Original Message-----
From: Nancy Keith [mailto:keithnancy@t-one.net]
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 4:13 PM
To: CHITWOOD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Tucker's Book
b.chitwood(a)mchsi.com wrote:
<snip> on the Tucker book
List of Illustrations.
Brass of John Chetwode, Margery Browning, Lady Strange, William Ludsthorp
(written in "missing"
We stumbled across these actual brasses in a very small church in a
field up on a hill in Warksworth (in England). Never would have known
about them had it not been for a couple of guys out scything down the
grass in the churchyard. When one of them got the key and let us in to
the church, which is where those CHETWODE burials are, we still would
not have found them had not one of them told us that there were CHETWODE
family brasses under every piece of carpet on the floor. I had a lovely
time when I came back with paper and rubbing crayons! There were others
besides the ones listed.
Don't know the one of William LUDSTHORP, and don't know why it would be
"missing". Do we know who William LUDSTHORP was? I don't have Stephen
Tucker's book. I suppose that I could still get a copy...? I know that
I have seen it in a couple of genealogy libraries.
Do you know who made those notations in your copy of the book? I
suppose it would be too late to ask Mr Tucker....