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Author: gchit
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Thanks on the Francis, I have got to take better notes or something. I lose track if items.
As for as William this could be a Uncle. Anything is possible at this point.
gina
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Author: tarneys
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Francis Chitty - April 21, 1684 - Daniell Warkeman received a grant of land in Charles City County for transporting six persons: James Littlewood, James Holman, Francis Chitty, Mary Fowke, Mary Cooke and Alice Long.
William Chitty, son of John Chitty who died in Barnwell in 1805:
1800 Census, Barnwell County, South Carolina, p. 69:
William Chitty - 1 male 16-25
If he is the same William who married Sally Gilliam in 1794 in Southampton (in a different posting, I mistakenly said 1784), she probably died before 1800 when William is shown living alone on the 1800 census. He may be the William Chitty who was witness to the John Ray will in Southampton in 1796.
Regarding the William Chitty marked as deceased in the 1798 Southampton tax list, I wonder if there is any liklihood of a person who had just left the area and was mistakenly marked deceased.
Tarney Smith
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Author: JoeHDrake
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Hello Gina Thank-you for responding.
Valentine Chitty - from Thomas Greenwood's will we know that at the time the will was written in 1656 that Valentine was an indentured servant under the age of 21. So we know he was born before 1635. Was a "kinsman" to Greenwood Grennwood died in 1658. I have yet to find a deed where Valentine actually gains title to the land. As the land was a legacy, there may only be a notation in the minute book of the county court noteing the transfer. I have yet to check the court records. Valentine traded this 50 Acres for some cattle. Valentine's name is mentioned on deeds in 1669, 1674, and 1682, the last as a witness and the other two probably also as a witness.
The last mention I have found of Valentine is a 1723 deed (DB2,646) by which Philip Whedon by right of his wife Sarah Ingram Whedon transfers 50 acres "where Valentine Chitty lately owned" to his step son Roger Ingram. I have yet to find a will for Valentine Chitty. I have not found a deed by which Valentine transferred the ownership of this property to Sarah Ingram (Whedon) or her former husband Ingram. So, in light of as of now no other evidence, it seems that Sarah Ingram inherited the land as next of kin to Valentine at his death through an administration (intestate death) rather than an estate (testate death). Also, as this was pre-revolution and the laws of primogenitor were in effect, there was no son of Valentine Chitty. And as there is no mention of others sharing ownership of the land, Sarah Chitty Ingram Whedon had no sisters. This would have to be verified by court records and administrations to be sure.
I checked out the Ann Jackson instrument at the site address given: Rather than a deed, this is a grant of land by Francis, Lord Howard of Effingham, Lt.Governor. If I read it correctly, and that is a large if, the boundaries of Ann's grant at some point join those of John Chitty, indicating that John is a land owner in Warwick County (present day Newport News, Va.)
As for Margery, all I have for her is the witnessing of three deeds, Of which, I seem to only be able to find reference to two at the moment those being on 3 Feb. 1682 Great Book page 584 and on 4 April 1690 (DB1,27) she witnessed a deed for John Shearrer to John Brett. This deed is interesting in that Edward also makes his first appearance as a witness to this deed.
As a note: I have run across the use of junior and senior a lot in research of Isle of Wight/Southampton records. The usage of the terms is to distinguish between two men who have the same name. They may or may not be father and son. When Edward Chitty of Bertie and Isle of Wight used a deed to leave his land to his wife's nephew Abraham Bagget, he referred to himself as Edward the Elder because there was a younger Edward in the area with whom he did not wish to be confused. I think that calling Edward in the 1745 land grant junior was to keep him separate from Edward the Elder. This doe not preclude there being another Edward however, for between the first reference to an Edward found in 1690 and the Edward the Elder deed of gift in 1739 is thirty-nine years which means that if this is the same Edward, he was over 60 in 1739 rather old for a man in the early 1700s but not unheard of.
[The Drakes of Isle of Wight/Southampton had a nasty habit of naming their sons for their brothers with the result that in the records when one sees a junior it is probably a nephew of the senior.]
As for Edward the Elder, I have not found, as of yet, a will in Isle of Wight for him. I suspect that if he had a will, it is in Bertie, NC.
The Edward of the 1745 land grant is the same as the Edward who died in 1758 leaving the 5 minor children. This also the Edward who is previously listed as a resident of Northampton County, NC. (formed in 1741 from Bertie). Note also that as Edward died intestate, that, by law, his oldest son John inherited the land. All the deeds in Southampton involving this property are with John as the Grantor. The personal property was divided among the children, as for the suit over the value of the slaves (less the dower portion) that information is in:
Southampton County Court Order Book 1759-1763
Page 137
Britton Chitty, Celia Chitty, Edward Chitty, Jr. infants by Nicholas Maget
vs.
John Chitty
Suit over the value of the slaves, less dower portion, of the estate of Edward Chitty
Thursday August 13, 1761
Notice that Edward's daughter Elizabeth is not a party to the suit. Maget was also appointed her guardian. I think this is an indication that Elizabeth was deceased by 1761. Also, John, for whatever reason had a different guardian, but at the moment I do not recall who. And lastly, notice that John is being sued in his own right, meaning that at some point between 1758 and 1761, John turned 21.
Edward the child, was born 12 Aug. 1752 according to some of the guardian accounts. I at one time thought that perhaps Dixon was a son of Edward, but when I double checked I had absolutely nothing to base that assumption on. In fact, the court case of 1761 is the last reference to little Edward that I have found. I wonder if it is possible that the Edward listed as the son John of Barnwell SC, might be his brother instead? (this make an assumption that SC John and VA John are the same). In fact, unless other hitherto undiscovered Chittys pop up, Britton seems to be the only viable candidate for father of Hardy, Dixon, and maybe Uriah and Bynum Chitty and William D. as a really long shot. In one of the earlier tax list, maybe 1787 I think Britton shows 2 tithables other than himself, one is probably Hardy, the second could be anyone.
John sold all the property he and his father had and moved away, maybe to Nash, NC, maybe to Barnwell, SC, maybe to Nash then Barnwell, I do not know.
I think that Thomas being the father of Edward is still quite possible although I lack proof. I doubt that there are any other Edwards of the period other than the two discussed but there is not proof of such by any means. And I also have no idea what happen to Thomas, Jr.
As far as searching for other Chitty deeds in Southampton, your search is over. Other than John Chitty deeds and the deed where Britton buys land from Simmons Vick is the only one I have found from 1749 to 1850. (except where Britton sell the land he bought of Simmons Vick to Jonas Bryant in 1793, DB8,12) All the other deeds listed are deeds of trust where Dixon or Barton are securing debts using personal property as collateral, except for a deed where Dixon sells Carter several household items (pots, spinning wheel, a sow or two).
The July 11, 1882 deed is John Chitty to Robert Newsom (Southampton Deed Book 6, pg 30), John sell the last 100 acres of his land to Simon Pope in 1784 (DB 11,pg5). From that time thru 1829 (which is as far as I have checked thus far) no Chitty paid real estate taxes in Southampton County, VA.
I have rambled on enough for now.
Joe H. Drake
Southampton County, VA
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Author: gchit
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I am not the only lost Chitty out here, and I also started doing it backwards.
Valentine, have no idea how he is related but still looking.
John- received land fron a John Greenwood and since Valentine received fron Thomas Greenwood. Do not know how all fit in. YET
Also have a John living in Warwick county on land that a Ann Jackson purchased in 1685. Copy of deed is on the VA State Lib web site or
http://picasaweb.google.com/GinaChitty/John1685WarwickCoVA
Margery - have no more information.
There is a Frances Chitty around 1684 that was transported to Virginia. Can not find it right now but will look.
Edward- h/o Baggett, I also have noticed that folks take just the item related to thier family and leave out the rest. So I will be getting a copy of that will soon.
Also- Isle of Wright Co. Deeds 1647/1719 -
9 Feb 1692 " Edward Chette for chopping the left ear of a boar not his own and Richard Wilkinson Sr".
Edward land 1745- I think is a son of Edward(?) since it is Edward Jr. on the deed. But I wonder how many Edwards are there. Chitty's used John and Edward alot.
But this Edward did leave 5 Children and a ward again I can not find the paper out did see where he was appointed her guardian. Brittain is my line we think. Have not seen much on him except the estate inventories for the five of them in 1761. I read someplace that John was sued over value of the estate and lost but have not found proof.
I have not found proof that John of SC is Edwards Jr's son. His wife is Frances and I found the following.
Title: Deed Book No. 4, 1767 - 1773, Unpaged grantor index, 551 p Edition/Reels: 2 Year: 1767-1773 Fee: $ TN: 56776
John and his wife Hannah sell land. have large copy, sounds same decription as Edward 1745 deed but not all of the land must have been divided still searching for other deeds.
Thomas- I think this being the father of Edward died 1758 is incorrect as Edward was a Jr. And the only thing I have found is a Thomas as wit. to Will of a John Jacob 12 Oct 1692.
Thomas Jr- Have nothing
William - I do not know if this is the one who married Gilliam, as John of SC list William in his will. But I have found that after a child dies they do name another the same. So maybe. Or maybe a son of Edward or Brittain.
Dixon/Dickson is living with Barton Taylor. Also Hardy Chitty living with Britain.
Land deeds
1789 Brittain grantee, Simmon Vick grantor.
1782 a Chitty to Robert Newcome. could not read film.
1821 Barton grantee, Dickson grantor.
I have some items on the web at http://picasaweb.google.com/homehttp://docs.google.com/#created-by-me
and started a blog at
http://justchitty.blogspot.com/
Gina Chitty
Manassas, VA
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Author: JoeHDrake
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Early Chittys (1610-1750) in Isle of Wight,/Southampton counties Virginia are proving hard to find. If anyone has any early Chitty information would you please share.
Rather than build this family from the present back ( in which I had limited success), I am trying to piece it together from the start forward. Here are the Chittys I have thus far:
All information given is for Isle of Wight county unless other wise noted.
Valentine Chitty
- the earliest found thus far. Mentioned in the 1656 will (recorded 1658) of Thomas Greenwood. At that time, Valentine is of working age, but under the age of 21. The fifty acres left to him by Greenwood is sold by Valentine on 4-20-1665. Valentine goes on to witness three other deeds, the last in 1674.
John Chitty
- some what confusing: also seems to recieve 50 acres from Greenwood in a 1674 deed, although Greenwood had been dead since 1658 and his widow and her new husband sold the land in 1671. However, there is no mention of John in the transcripts of Greenwood's will. John would seem to be a brother to Valentine. He only shows up again in 1720 to witness the will of John Carroll.
Margery Chitty
- first record found is to witness a deed on 7-18-1682. She later witnesses a deed with first appearance of Edward (the Elder) on a 4-29-1690 deed. Margery could be a Chitty spinster, or the wife of a Chitty. She could be the mother of Edward the Elder. Very little to go on.
Edward Chitty
- refered to as "the Elder" in the 1739 deed in which he leaves his lands to his wife's nephew Abraham Baggett. Appears first in the Isle of Wight record as a witness to a 4-29-1690 deed along with Margery Chitty. Over the next 49 years he seems to be involved in about 10 deeds as either grantee, grantor, or witness. Relocated to Bertie County, North Carolina (that part that later became Northampton County and then Herford County which would have bordered that part of Isle of Wight that would become Southampton, how's that for confusing). This Edward was married to Sussanah Baggett and seems to have been childless leaving all his lands to his wife's nephew in a deed filed in both Isle of Wight and Bertie counties.
Edward Chitty
- refered to as Junior in a 1745 land patent. First appearace would seem to be as witness to the 1727 will of John Surginor. It is a bit difficult to tell where Edward the Elder's Isle of Wight records end and Edward junior's records begin. This Edward died about 1758 leaving behind 5 minor children: John (who went to SC), Britton, Celia, Elizabeth, and Edward.
Thomas Chitty
- the only reference I have on Thomas thus far are in connection with his son Edward, junior above. He would have been born about 1690 or a bit later. Had two sons: Edward (refered to as Junior) and Thomas, Jr.
Thomas Jr
- I have no further records on this Thomas, but I have often wondered it he removed to NC and was perhaps the father of the Benjamin Chitty who shows up in the records of the central part of NC.
William D. Chitty
- Shows up on the 1798 Southampton personal property tax lists with a line drawn through his name and the notation that he is dead with nothing left to tax. It is interesting to note that Dixon Chitty is on the same page with a line also drawn through his name, he, however, is still very much alive at that point. This may be the same William who married Sally Gilliam in Southampton in 1794 and also witnessed the 1796 will of John Rea (or Ray or Wray, or Rae).
These are about all the early Chittys I have. Not a lot for nearly 150 years. Any help with these or identifying others will be greatly appreciated.
Joe H. Drake
Southampton County, Virginia
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were did mary chitty come from? i mean what part of south carolina and who is her family names? i can't help without some info.
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Hello Gina,
Well, I thought I knew more than I did once I started checking my notes. It has been about 10 years or more since I have done very serious work on the Chitty line, but be that as what may, here is what I have:
Edward to Thomas - No proof that Edward is a son of Thomas other than as of yet I have no other candidates.
Dixon to Britton -- I have no information that Dixon is a son of Britton. I have Dixon as a son of Britton's brother Edward, Jr. and I do not have a whole of proof for that. In fact I have no proof other than Dixon seems to be located closer to the area that Edward, Jr. was located than that of Britton.
Barton to Dixon -- I do believe that the Southampton County marriage register calls Barton a son to Dixon either on the bond itself, page 245 or the minister's return on page 700.
Carter to Barton -- When my grand aunt went to a nursing home 10-12 years ago, she left in her house several old bibles, one of which stated William H. H. Chitty, son of Carter.of Barton. . I got two bibles from the house but that particular bible was not one of them, but I think my brother might have gotten it. Regardless, I think in the ministers returns for the marriage of Carter to Anna Elizabeth Bryant also on page 700 of the minister's returns, Southampton County Marriage Register, gives the father of Carter as Barton. Carter is my ancestor by his son William H.H. Chitty, by his daughter Eva Earnestine Chitty - my great grand mother who died when I was two. I have her bible, and that of her father-in- law John Cowan.
I have a Hardy Chitty as a son of Britton, but that is all the information I do have on him. I have no information on any Hardy or Dixon in Mo.
Valentine Chitty -- he is the earliest Chitty that I have run across to date. I have seem records referring to him in the mid 1600's but as of yet nothing that would suggest any tangible family relations. Note that in the deed you gave, that there were no provisions for a dower interest, indicating that Valentine was probably single at the time.
In regards to the ear chopping incident, in the early years, hogs ran wild on the open range, so to speak (they had no fences which would hold a hog). They did not carry brands to tell whose hog was whose like cattle, to mark your hogs as your own, people would notch, or cut out one or several pieces of the hogs ears at certain places to identify them. I think that case refers to a case of mistaken hog identity.
Oh, well, that's about all I have, sorry I didn't have any more, but please remember me if you run into something interesting regarding the Chitty clan.
Joe H. Drake
Southampton County, Virginia
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