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Good News, Summer Sale is extended by popular demand.
Reduced prices for Chisholm DNA tests (via Chishom Project group only) have been extended until September 30, 2008
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Anyone interested in a copy of the U.S. Department of State's "Report of the Death of an American Citizen" for Mr. Robert Chisholm, please contact me so I can conduct research to locate the record. Mr. Chisholm died in China on Fbruary 20, 1930.
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Hi there,
I'm trying to trace my family tree back to Scotland. I'm looking for any information about Hugh Chisholm, who was a loyalist in the Amerian Revolution and was given a land grant in St. Stephens, New Brunswick. A long shot, but I thought that I'd ask!
Ian Chisholm
Vermont
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Hi Wendy.
Now is the right time to try and get a handle on your John Chisholm I of Nova Scotia, and see if you can identify a family of origin in Strathglass, and if not a specific family,then identify a wider genetic family.This can be done via the Clan Chisholm DNA project, and until August 31 2008, there is an excellent promotional discount offered by FTDNA, see posting elsewhere on this board. The Clan Chisholm DNA project includes many with Nova Scotia ancestry, and several with Minnesota connections, including one with Crow Wing mentioned somewhere along the trail. All it would need for you to become involved in the Clan Chisholm DNA project would be to get one of your brothers, or one of your brother's sons or grandsons to volunteer to do a cheek swab and provide a small sample from which the Y chromosome can be identified and analysed.
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Robert Chisholm
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Sorry, but there are MANY Angus Chisholms in Minnesota and Wisconsin. Angus was a very common name. Most of the Chisholms came through Nova Scotia. Here's my family tree:
John Chisholm I & (unknown)(my G-G-G-G-Grandfather)
John Chisholm II & Mary Livingstone (my G-G-G-Grandfather)
Alexander Chisholm & Catherine Sinclair (my G-G-Grandfather)
Angus Chisholm (my G-Grandfather)
Frank Chisholm (my Dad)
Wendy Chisholm Olson
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I am looking for information on David Chisholme Jr. , Grandson of Adam Chisholm the Jacobite. David Chisholm owned my family. David Chisholm Jr.he took my grgrgrgrandmother ?Bridget into Chester, South Carolina .My great great grandfather was born there. The book has ?David Jr. moving into SC and baby sitting for his brother, but durning that time David Chisholme was in Louisana selling slaves. I.d like to know more about David Chisholme Jr. After his death my great grandfather was passed on to Thomas Chisholm his brother then to Suprey his nephew/Son in law. I have a copy of the estate sale dated Feb. 1834 which list my family.
If anyone has any infromation on David Jr. or slave information. Please contact me at this email address.
Thank you,
Antoinette
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Angus and Clara's daughter, Violet Marie Chisholm, married Guy Somers in 1920-ish in Libby, MT. Their oldest child, Donald Fred Somers, was my husband's father.
I know Violet's first husband was a man by the last name of Nichols. They had two little girls, Margaret and Lillian. Lillian's married last name is Greene. She is my husbands oldest surviving aunt. She lives in Port Angeles, WA.
After Mr. Nichols died, Violet and the girls moved in with her sister Freda and her husband, Chris Systad and their son, Clifford. They all were living in Libby, MT in January 1920 when the census was taken.
In 1930, they are still in Libby, with Clara's two daughters and Donald Somers (my father-in-law) and his sister Betty. She still lives in Port Angeles, WA.
Violet's parents, Frederick C. and Pauline C. Kerr, were both born in Denmark. Her first husband was a man named James Peterson, by whom she had two children, Amelia and Paul. They lived in Outagamie, Wisconsin in 1870.
By the 1880 census, Pauline is married to Frederick. In addition to Amelia and Paul, there ar two more children; Edna Kerr and Gerturde Kerr, ages 3 and 2, respectively.
I found them again in the 1885 Minnesota Territorial census. Amelia and Paul are now going by the last name of Kerr, and Gertrude isn't listed.
In 1895, Clara, Frederick and Pauline are still in Crow Wing, MN, with Clara, May and George (9 and 8, respectively). Edna is gone, and Gertrude is back! She's 17, doing housework.
Frederick and Pauline are still in Crow Wing in June 1905. Here comes the mysterious part; living with them is an E. Chisholm, born around 1876. [Could this be their daughter Edna, returned to the roost after marrying a Chisholm? There's also a 1-year-old E. Chisholm (female). I'm wondering if Edna married a brother of Angus. Or, maybe she married and then died, and Angus married Clara. Hmmmm.] With Frederick and Pauline is a son, Goerge, age 23. He's a locomotive engineer. I found him again in 1920, lving in Beltrami, Minnesota, with his wife Ella and thier sons, Jack, Sherman and Donald.
I hope this helps you fill in some holes. Do you have anything else that might fill in the gaps I have? I saw someone else's posting, which I'll respond to after this, saying Angus's parents were John Edward, Sr. and Mary Martha McDonald. Do you know anything about them? And, what about a birthplace for Angus? He's listed differently in just about every source--Minnesota comes up most, but there also is Nova Scotia and Scotland.
I'm really excited to have found you and your ancestors. Please keep in touch. We live in Mount Vernon, WA. My e-mail address is kasomers24(a)hotmail.com.
I hope to hear from you!
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Thank you for your comments. Actually I have had the book written by John Chism for many years. Years ago I even had opportunity to speak with him on several occassions.
My family line is:
Adam's son Walter Chisholme 1732
Grandson John Russell Chisholm 1782
Great-grandson Hugh David Chisholm 1823
GG-grandson Napoleon Boneparte (Nip) Chisholm 1856
GGG-grandson Lloyd Walter Chisholm 1899
GGGG-granddaughter Agnita Chisholm Moore 1945 (me)
There is some confusion about John Russell Chisholm, and originally in the book John Chism listed another generation between him and Walter. He listed him as John also. However, after more investigation, John Chism and I concluded that there was no generation between, but rather John Russell Chisholm was the son of Walter. In those times people often continued to have children into their 40's and 50s. Napoleon's children were born to him into his early 40s and my father was 45 when I was born.
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Are you still looking for Adam chisholme? He is my 10 generations; great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather.
I find this information to be helpfull.
dam Chisholme
Birth: About 1695 in Scotland
Death: 12 Aug 1756 in Hanover County, VA
Sex: M
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Mother:
Changed: 21 Mar 2003
Spouses & Children
Children:
David Chisholme b. 1728 in Hanover County, VA
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1. William CHISOLM b: 1725 in Hanover County, Virginia
2. David CHISHOLME b: 1728 in Hanover County, Virginia
3. Walter CHISHOLME b: 19 MAR 1732/33 in Hanover County, Virginia
4. Daughter CHISHOLME b: ABT. 1730
Taken from the book "THE CHISZ" A HISTORY OF THE CHISHOLME/CHISM FAMILY by John D. Chism, Jr. Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 89-833324. Copyright 1989.
Adam Chisholme was born circa 1695 in Scotland. The year of his birth is derived from the fact that he was at least eighteen to twenty years of age at the time he fought in the battle, the "Fifteen", of 1715, between England and Scotland. He married several years after arriving in Virginia, sometime between 1723-1725. The long period between his arrival and marriage will be explained. He produced at least four children, and lived for more than sixty years. He was still alive as of August 12, 1756.
The years between 1600 and 1750 were years of much contestation between England and Scotland even though it was a period of reasonable peace. The question as to who would control the crown died a hard death. As a result of Scotland's desire to control the crown through the Stuart Monarchy there resulted at least two battles, one in 1715 and one in 1745. After the skirmish in 1715 England quickly recognized that the issue was not settled and very likely would not be resolved soon. In order to try and gain an advantage should the question arise in another confrontation, England quickly moved to seize an opportunity. Immediately after the skirmish of 1715 England gathered together a large number of the supporters of "The Old Pretender", a descendant of King James II and the Stuart family. Referring to them as "Jacobites" she labeled them "trouble makers" and deported them as prisoners to the "dumping grounds", the colonies in America and the Caribbean Islands.
During the skirmish of "The Fifteen", 1715, a large rebel force under the command of Thomas Forster gathered at Preston, Lancashire on November 9, 1715. The government forces advanced upon the town, at it was assaulted. On November 14, 1715, the rebel commander surrendered his army to the King's forces. Captured in that rebellion was 637 Scottish rebels.
Starting the following spring 639 Jacobite rebel prisoners were transported to the American Colonies and the Caribbean Islands. They were forced into an indenture, "white slavery", for a seven year period. Those who had not voluntarily accepted an indenture before leaving England was forced into one before allowed to leave ship in the colonies. This was and edit from the Crown and all Colonial Governors were so informed.
This was the first and largest group of Scottish citizen to enter the colonies. They would be joined later by still another group after the battle in 1745, the Battle Culloden. Still others followed them for either political or economic reasons.
In the "National Genealogical Society Quarterly" is a listing of the 639 Jacobite rebels as compiled by Clifford Neal Smith. He not only list those men but he gave the names of the ships on which they traveled. The following is the listing by Mr. Smith of the ships, their Captains, and destinations:
"Anne", Capt. Robert Wallace, bound for Virginia, exited Liverpool 31 July 1716 with 18
prisoners.
"Africa", Richard Cropper, master, bound for Barbados exited Liverpool 15, July 1716 with 1
prisoner.
"Elizabeth and Anne", commander Edward Trafford, bound for Virginia and Jamaica exited
Liverpool 28 July 1716 with 126 prisoners.
"Friendship", Capt. Michael Mankin, bound for Maryland or Virginia exited Liverpool 24 May
1716 with 80 prisoners.
"Godspeed" (for Goodspeed), Capt. Arthur Smith, bound for Virginia (but left prisoners in
Maryland) exited Liverpool 28 July 1716 with 54 prisoners on one manifest and 2 additional
on another manifest.
"Hockenhill", Capt. Hockenhill Short, bound for St. Christophers, Leeward Islands, date not given
with 30 prisoners.
"Susannah", Capt. Thomas Bromhall, bound for South Carolina exited Liverpool 7 May 1716 with
101prisoners on the manifest, although receipted for 104.
"Scipio", commander's name and destination not given, exited Liverpool 30 March 1716 with 95
prisoners.
"Two Brothers", Capt. Edward Rathbon, bound for Jamaica exited Liverpool 26 April 1716 with 47
prisoners.
"Wakefield", Capt. Thomas Beck, bound for South Carolina exited Liverpool 21 April 1716 with 81
prisoners.
One immediately notices that all these prisoners were sent to the southern colonies with most being sent to Virginia, South Carolina and the islands. (Keep in mind that Georgia was not yet settled. It was 1732 before King George granted a 21 year charter to settle the Georgia Colony.) For this there was a special reason. The southern colonies were in desperate need of white settlers especially North Carolina and South Carolina. (North Carolina had just become an independent colony. In 1712 she was divided from South Carolina). In South Carolina the black population far outnumbered the white. Also, the population had been ravaged by the Indian wars. Virginia was not in much better condition. As soon as the word was out that the prisoners were being deported the southern colonies started a campaign to acquire as many of these prisoners as possible. They almost begged for these men.
On the American side of the Atlantic, the issues and question between England and Scotland was of very little consequence. In America, there was no stigma associated with those men who were having to leave as a result of this bitter issue. As a matter of fact, the Governor of Virginia, Alexander Spotswood, extended an open arms invitation to those men. As a matter of fact, he personally advised some of those men to come to America and specifically Virginia. One was indentured to him and he wrote letters of petition on behalf of others. To be departed under such conditions carried no disgrace with him.
The following is a partial listing of a group of young men who were deported and who arrived in the Virginia Colony in late 1716: Wm. Dunn, Adam Chisholm, Wm Mackelway, Robert Copland, John Petillo (Patillo), George Dickenson, John Kennedy, John Johnson, John Michy (Michea), Robert Duncan, Charles Henderson, John Abercombie, John Peter and James Peter. ("the Virginia Calendar of State Papers", Vol. 1, p. 185).
Adam Chisholm, Jacobite prisoner. Transported to Virginia on Elizabeth and Anne, exited Liverpool, 28 June 1716. (S.P./C; S. N. Q8, iv, 187).
Note the above date of June 28, 1716 disagrees with Mr. Smith's date of July 28, 1716. One will not argue over a month if Adam Chisholme doesn't.
Since the Elizabeth and Anne's destination was listed as Jamaica and Virginia its route is known. The normal route to the colonies via Jamaica was south from Liverpool, by the Mediterranean, and down along the coast of North Africa. From Africa, an arching course was set for the Caribbean Islands and Jamaica t6hen north to the colonial port at Charleston, South Carolina. The ship would then continue up the coast to Virginia. This route kept the ships close to a land mass and many good ports of call in case of an emergency or should supplies be needed. This route was established after the Carolina Colony was settled and became the predominate trade route for southern colonies. This route took approximately three months and would have had Adam Chisholm arriving in Virginia sometime in October of 1716, weather permitting.
After arriving in Virginia, it is uncertain as to who acquired Adam's indenture. It, however, is assumed to be Mr. William Morris, the man for whom he witnessed a will and was beneficiary of that will in 1745. He and Mr. Morris had to have had a special relationship for him to benefit from Mr. Morris' estate. Mr. Morris lived in Hanover County and it was there that Adam lived. It was here that he married, his children were born, and where he remained, from all evidences, for the remainder of his life. If Mr. Morris did not acquire Adam's indenture then it was most definitely someone of "means" and influence. Many of the Jacobite prisoners' indentures were bought by such men. Adam was believed to be among those fortunate prisoners. For him to succeed as he did, surely he had this sort of help. He and his sons were men of "means". They were well educated and married into families of means. All of Adam's sons married women who were educated. They were even able to educate all t!
heir children male and female.
After Adam and his sons were first established, the question arose: Why did he wait so long after arriving before he married? From all indications he never married until about 1725 for his children were not born until 1725-1732. William was born about 1725-28 and Walter, the youngest, was born March 19, 1732. After it was proven that he was in fact indentured, then the question was answered. He arrived in Virginia in late 1716. He had to work off a seven year indenture, sentence. His indenture would have been served in the latter part of 1723. Thus his marriage about 1725.
Adam Chisholme and his children and grandchildren are known to have lived in Hanover, Louisa, Loudoun, Albemarle, Lunenburg, Halifax, Goochland, Chesterfield and Charlotte Counties of Virginia. They clustered in the central part of the state and around Richmond, They did not particularly like the frontier of Virginia as did a different clan of "Chesham/Chishams".
Another characteristic of Adam and his sons is that while they may not have been wealthy they by no means were poor. They were well educated even the females. All of Adam's daughters-in-law were educated. They could read and write. So could his granddaughters as we will see later. This is not necessarily so with the other family lines. This fact alone puts a marked distinction between these two families of Virginia during this early period.
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Research is ongoing into the origins of Adam Chisholm, and it is getting closer to the time where he may be more accurately pinpointed. He was a servant to Captain Scott during the 1716 uprising, and his record at Chester Prison prior to his expulsion to Virginia, was listed as "Gladburgh,Tynedale"
This has posed a mystery because we know by his name that Adam would be a border Chisholm, however the name "Gladburgh" no longer resisters, and Tynedale is more accurately described as being the next valley to the south of the Chisholms and Scotts, who inhabited Teviotdale and Tweedale, not Tynedale. However new information is being upturned at the moment which might identify Jedburgh as being Gladburgh, and this would tie win with one of the birth records for an Adam Chisholm in the 1690's. I would recommend anybody with a surname of Chisholm or a name variation, who believes they may be descended from Adam, to enrol in the Chisholm DNA project. Adam Chisholm's Y chromosome will be passed on to all males biologically descended in a direct male only line, and it will be virtually the same chromosome for all of these descendents.
At the moment the DNA project has a number who believe they are descended from Adam Chisholm. None of the variant names within the project at the moment is Chisholme, and this would be a great name to have in the project, as it is the original spelling of the name, coming from the original Chisholm homeland in Teviotdale, where Adam Chisholm surely came from.
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Are you still looking for Adam chisholme? He is my 10 generations; great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather.
I find this information to be helpfull.
dam Chisholme
Birth: About 1695 in Scotland
Death: 12 Aug 1756 in Hanover County, VA
Sex: M
Father:
Mother:
Changed: 21 Mar 2003
Spouses & Children
Children:
David Chisholme b. 1728 in Hanover County, VA
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Individual:
Children
1. William CHISOLM b: 1725 in Hanover County, Virginia
2. David CHISHOLME b: 1728 in Hanover County, Virginia
3. Walter CHISHOLME b: 19 MAR 1732/33 in Hanover County, Virginia
4. Daughter CHISHOLME b: ABT. 1730
Taken from the book "THE CHISZ" A HISTORY OF THE CHISHOLME/CHISM FAMILY by John D. Chism, Jr. Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 89-833324. Copyright 1989.
Adam Chisholme was born circa 1695 in Scotland. The year of his birth is derived from the fact that he was at least eighteen to twenty years of age at the time he fought in the battle, the "Fifteen", of 1715, between England and Scotland. He married several years after arriving in Virginia, sometime between 1723-1725. The long period between his arrival and marriage will be explained. He produced at least four children, and lived for more than sixty years. He was still alive as of August 12, 1756.
The years between 1600 and 1750 were years of much contestation between England and Scotland even though it was a period of reasonable peace. The question as to who would control the crown died a hard death. As a result of Scotland's desire to control the crown through the Stuart Monarchy there resulted at least two battles, one in 1715 and one in 1745. After the skirmish in 1715 England quickly recognized that the issue was not settled and very likely would not be resolved soon. In order to try and gain an advantage should the question arise in another confrontation, England quickly moved to seize an opportunity. Immediately after the skirmish of 1715 England gathered together a large number of the supporters of "The Old Pretender", a descendant of King James II and the Stuart family. Referring to them as "Jacobites" she labeled them "trouble makers" and deported them as prisoners to the "dumping grounds", the colonies in America and the Caribbean Islands.
During the skirmish of "The Fifteen", 1715, a large rebel force under the command of Thomas Forster gathered at Preston, Lancashire on November 9, 1715. The government forces advanced upon the town, at it was assaulted. On November 14, 1715, the rebel commander surrendered his army to the King's forces. Captured in that rebellion was 637 Scottish rebels.
Starting the following spring 639 Jacobite rebel prisoners were transported to the American Colonies and the Caribbean Islands. They were forced into an indenture, "white slavery", for a seven year period. Those who had not voluntarily accepted an indenture before leaving England was forced into one before allowed to leave ship in the colonies. This was and edit from the Crown and all Colonial Governors were so informed.
This was the first and largest group of Scottish citizen to enter the colonies. They would be joined later by still another group after the battle in 1745, the Battle Culloden. Still others followed them for either political or economic reasons.
In the "National Genealogical Society Quarterly" is a listing of the 639 Jacobite rebels as compiled by Clifford Neal Smith. He not only list those men but he gave the names of the ships on which they traveled. The following is the listing by Mr. Smith of the ships, their Captains, and destinations:
"Anne", Capt. Robert Wallace, bound for Virginia, exited Liverpool 31 July 1716 with 18
prisoners.
"Africa", Richard Cropper, master, bound for Barbados exited Liverpool 15, July 1716 with 1
prisoner.
"Elizabeth and Anne", commander Edward Trafford, bound for Virginia and Jamaica exited
Liverpool 28 July 1716 with 126 prisoners.
"Friendship", Capt. Michael Mankin, bound for Maryland or Virginia exited Liverpool 24 May
1716 with 80 prisoners.
"Godspeed" (for Goodspeed), Capt. Arthur Smith, bound for Virginia (but left prisoners in
Maryland) exited Liverpool 28 July 1716 with 54 prisoners on one manifest and 2 additional
on another manifest.
"Hockenhill", Capt. Hockenhill Short, bound for St. Christophers, Leeward Islands, date not given
with 30 prisoners.
"Susannah", Capt. Thomas Bromhall, bound for South Carolina exited Liverpool 7 May 1716 with
101prisoners on the manifest, although receipted for 104.
"Scipio", commander's name and destination not given, exited Liverpool 30 March 1716 with 95
prisoners.
"Two Brothers", Capt. Edward Rathbon, bound for Jamaica exited Liverpool 26 April 1716 with 47
prisoners.
"Wakefield", Capt. Thomas Beck, bound for South Carolina exited Liverpool 21 April 1716 with 81
prisoners.
One immediately notices that all these prisoners were sent to the southern colonies with most being sent to Virginia, South Carolina and the islands. (Keep in mind that Georgia was not yet settled. It was 1732 before King George granted a 21 year charter to settle the Georgia Colony.) For this there was a special reason. The southern colonies were in desperate need of white settlers especially North Carolina and South Carolina. (North Carolina had just become an independent colony. In 1712 she was divided from South Carolina). In South Carolina the black population far outnumbered the white. Also, the population had been ravaged by the Indian wars. Virginia was not in much better condition. As soon as the word was out that the prisoners were being deported the southern colonies started a campaign to acquire as many of these prisoners as possible. They almost begged for these men.
On the American side of the Atlantic, the issues and question between England and Scotland was of very little consequence. In America, there was no stigma associated with those men who were having to leave as a result of this bitter issue. As a matter of fact, the Governor of Virginia, Alexander Spotswood, extended an open arms invitation to those men. As a matter of fact, he personally advised some of those men to come to America and specifically Virginia. One was indentured to him and he wrote letters of petition on behalf of others. To be departed under such conditions carried no disgrace with him.
The following is a partial listing of a group of young men who were deported and who arrived in the Virginia Colony in late 1716: Wm. Dunn, Adam Chisholm, Wm Mackelway, Robert Copland, John Petillo (Patillo), George Dickenson, John Kennedy, John Johnson, John Michy (Michea), Robert Duncan, Charles Henderson, John Abercombie, John Peter and James Peter. ("the Virginia Calendar of State Papers", Vol. 1, p. 185).
Adam Chisholm, Jacobite prisoner. Transported to Virginia on Elizabeth and Anne, exited Liverpool, 28 June 1716. (S.P./C; S. N. Q8, iv, 187).
Note the above date of June 28, 1716 disagrees with Mr. Smith's date of July 28, 1716. One will not argue over a month if Adam Chisholme doesn't.
Since the Elizabeth and Anne's destination was listed as Jamaica and Virginia its route is known. The normal route to the colonies via Jamaica was south from Liverpool, by the Mediterranean, and down along the coast of North Africa. From Africa, an arching course was set for the Caribbean Islands and Jamaica t6hen north to the colonial port at Charleston, South Carolina. The ship would then continue up the coast to Virginia. This route kept the ships close to a land mass and many good ports of call in case of an emergency or should supplies be needed. This route was established after the Carolina Colony was settled and became the predominate trade route for southern colonies. This route took approximately three months and would have had Adam Chisholm arriving in Virginia sometime in October of 1716, weather permitting.
After arriving in Virginia, it is uncertain as to who acquired Adam's indenture. It, however, is assumed to be Mr. William Morris, the man for whom he witnessed a will and was beneficiary of that will in 1745. He and Mr. Morris had to have had a special relationship for him to benefit from Mr. Morris' estate. Mr. Morris lived in Hanover County and it was there that Adam lived. It was here that he married, his children were born, and where he remained, from all evidences, for the remainder of his life. If Mr. Morris did not acquire Adam's indenture then it was most definitely someone of "means" and influence. Many of the Jacobite prisoners' indentures were bought by such men. Adam was believed to be among those fortunate prisoners. For him to succeed as he did, surely he had this sort of help. He and his sons were men of "means". They were well educated and married into families of means. All of Adam's sons married women who were educated. They were even able to educate all t!
heir children male and female.
After Adam and his sons were first established, the question arose: Why did he wait so long after arriving before he married? From all indications he never married until about 1725 for his children were not born until 1725-1732. William was born about 1725-28 and Walter, the youngest, was born March 19, 1732. After it was proven that he was in fact indentured, then the question was answered. He arrived in Virginia in late 1716. He had to work off a seven year indenture, sentence. His indenture would have been served in the latter part of 1723. Thus his marriage about 1725.
Adam Chisholme and his children and grandchildren are known to have lived in Hanover, Louisa, Loudoun, Albemarle, Lunenburg, Halifax, Goochland, Chesterfield and Charlotte Counties of Virginia. They clustered in the central part of the state and around Richmond, They did not particularly like the frontier of Virginia as did a different clan of "Chesham/Chishams".
Another characteristic of Adam and his sons is that while they may not have been wealthy they by no means were poor. They were well educated even the females. All of Adam's daughters-in-law were educated. They could read and write. So could his granddaughters as we will see later. This is not necessarily so with the other family lines. This fact alone puts a marked distinction between these two families of Virginia during this early period.
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Could this Wenny Chism be a daughter of Elijah and Lucy Chism? Or a
sister-inlaw? Wenny later shows up in Ark.
Spring Creek Church records
Third Saturday of May, 1804, Elijah and Lucy Chism, and Mary
> Overturf and Elizabeth Chism, recieved by experience Sameal, The
> Servant of Elijah.
> >
> > Friday , June 15, 1804, recieved by Elijah Chism and Lucy Chism and
> Thomas and Mary Gibbons, all by letter, dismissed by letter Wenny
> Chism.also mentioned Chism slave Sam.
> > 1805 Elijah Chism," Big Sam, the slave, Lucy," Elizabeth Chism.
> > 1806
> > listed as members of the Church Elijah Chism, Lucye, Big Sam, Mary
> Green and Elizabeth.
> > 1807, dimissed by letters, Chisms, Lucy, Big Sam, Wiilliam Magby,
> Nomrod Dodson, Elizabeth Dodson, I think this is Elizabeth Chism? and
> James Barlett.
>
HISTORY OF ROARING RIVER BAPTIST CHURCH
(Overton County, Tennessee)
This was one of the oldest churches constituted in the Upper Cumberland
Region of Tennessee. We are not able to ascertain the exact date of the
constitution of this old church. In the records of the Green River
Association we find that it was in working order July 25, 1801. Everything
seems to indicate that it was constituted about 1800 from members of the
Holston Baptist Association of East Tennessee.
Elijah Chism was a messenger in 1798 from the Powels Valley Baptist Church
to the Holston Association. This same church dismissed 23 members by letter
between 1799 and 1800. At least part of these members came to the Roaring
River Church. Elijah Chism appears with the Roaring River Church in 1803.
Joseph Stewart, father of Elder Jesse Stewart, left Jefferson County, in the
Holston Valley, sometime after August 1796. He appears as one of the first
messengers from the Roaring River Church.
Other early members included:
Col. Stephen Copeland, who commanded the Third Tennessee Reg't. in the War
of 1812; John Raney who married Elizabeth Stewart, sister to Elder Jesse
Stewart; Benjamin and Samuel Stewart, brothers of Elder Jesse Stewart;
Benjamin K. and Rev. J. G. Stewart, sons of Samuel Stewart; and Stephen
Mayfield, an early settler from South Carolina whose daughter, Mary, claimed
to be the first female child born in the Livingston area.
Roaring River Church remained a member of the Green River Association until
1804. In 1805, when the Stockton Valley Association was constituted, Roaring
River fell within the boundary of the latter and remained a member of that
fraternity for many years.
About 1827, Elder Jesse Stewart moved his membership to the Caney Ridge
Church in Overton County. He remained a member of this church for a few
years and then moved back to Roaring River.
J. H. Grime in his History of Middle Tennessee Baptists, said of Elder
Stewart:
"I remember him as a feeble old man and very badly palsied. He is perhaps
the first minister I remember to have seen, though I have no recollection of
hearing him preach. It seems that I can now feel his trembling hand on my
head and hear his faltering voice as he pronounces his blessings upon a
white-haired boy. It is said he was a good, old-fashioned preacher."
About 1841, many of the churches in the Upper Cumberland area of Tennessee
divided over "predestination." Those who were predestinarian in belief
changed their names from "United Baptists" to "Regular Baptists."
In the records of the Spring Creek Baptist Church in April 1841 we find this
entry: "Renounce United - become Regular," and in July 1842 this same church
excluded several members for adhering to the "principles" of the Stockton
Valley United Baptist Association.
Every effort made to bring about reconciliation failed. The membership
wrangled and disputed, getting farther apart all the time. Elder Jesse
Stewart, with the minority of the Roaring River Church took a stand for the
United Baptists. Consequently, Elder Stewart was excluded from the church.
The general procedure, for that day, was for the name of any excluded
minister to be published in the next minutes of the association. Roaring
River hadn't pulled away from the Stockton Valley Association yet, and Elder
Stewart's name appeared in the 1843 minutes, under the 6th order of
business:
"Roaring River Church informs this Association that Elder Jesse Stewart is
excluded from the fellowship of said church and that his credentials have
been legally demanded and he refused to give them up."
The year following Elder Stewart's exclusion, this entry was made in the
minutes of the Stockton Valley Association:
1844 - "This Association drops Roaring River Church out of her body she
having refused to represent herself with us."
This was the beginning of sorrows for the old church. It divided into three
parts. The majority of the church went to the "Caney Fork Association of Old
Baptists," better known as the Primitive or Regular Baptists. A second
faction joined the Freedom Association about 1847, and dissolved after a few
years. The third party organized the Jirah Baptist Church near Okalonia,
Tennessee and united with the Stockton Valley United Baptist Association in
1851. They changed the name of the church to Okalonia Baptist Church in 1867
and to West Union Baptist Church in 1886.
Associational Table of Roaring River Baptist Church
YEAR
MESSENGERS NAMES
Membr
(Green River Association)
1801
Thos. M'Bride, Joseph Stewart
27
1802
Jacob Coons, Stephen Copland, Stephen Mayfield
47
1803
Elijah Chism, Jacob Coons
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Author: rpchisholm
Surnames: Chisholm Chisam Chisum Chism Chisham Cheezum
Classification: queries
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Greetings Folks.
This is just a reminder that there is a Chisholm DNA project, officially sanctioned by Clan Chisholm Society, and with a current database of 67 members to date. This is run through the Family Tree DNA company in Houston, and you can find it via a link on Clan Chisholm.org website. It is important that Chisholms test in one project group so that results can be easily compared. We are most happy with the FTDNA set up, and in particular with the website support and research tools provided to group members. Other companies are starting to make cut price DNA test offers, and competition in this market is a good thing. However it is not very good if you can't do a lot with your result, such as hooking up with those you are most likely to share a recent common ancestor with, that is those with the same surname of Chisholm or variants of this name.
The results of the Chisholm project at FTDNA so far show that, ancestrally speaking, Chisholms comprise all of the normal groups associated with the original settlement of Britain, plus the of various invaders from the Romans, Gaelic Irish, Anglo-Saxons,Danes,Nordic Vikings, and possibly Vikings ex Normandy. In addition to these main groups, there are elements from eastern europe, middle east, and a stong showing from a Sardinian ancestral family. The greatest group numerically is a Norse Viking group,and there are strong showings from a Pict group, and a group of Southern Britons. Many Chisholms from all places around the world have been able to see close ancestral connections via dna to each other. One striking example is in our Sardinian Group, where we have 2 living individuals, 100% identical Y chromosomes when comparing 67 markers, yet their common Chisholm ancestor could have lived around AD 1750 at the latest. Speculation is that this Y chromosome arrived in the Sco!
ttish Highlands with the wreckage of the Spanish Armada.
There is also a lot of data being assembled, which will ultimately unravel the Chisholms and Chisums and Chisms of the south, where we have found 2 early progenitors in Virginia,and a group of unknowns who slipped into the North Carolina Piedmont just before the revolution, plus the early settlers of maritime South Carolina .
Any questions, check out project news via http://www.clanchisholmsociety.org/
Regards
Robert Chisholm
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