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Author: AJChisholm
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Yes indeed Robert, this was from the pen of Colin Chisholm the customs man. I'm always on the lookout for anything of his - he had a deep knowledge of Strathglass genealogies (among other things)and as a close relative of my own ancestors (his mother and my 3x great grandmother were sisters) I know he had the answers to questions I have yet to resolve!
For those of you with "Gobha" connections - regarding Colin Chisholm's suggestion that the nearest living relative in Scotland at the time was Rev Donald Chisholm of Aberdeen, I can tell you a little about his descent. Make of it what you will:
Rev Donald Chisholm (1847-1917) was born in Portobello near Edinburgh. He studied for the priesthood at Blair's College and was in charge at St Peter's Aberdeen towards the end of his life. He had three younger sisters, Rose-Ann, Margaret and Elizabeth.
Their parents were Donald Chisholm (1817-1890)and Margaret Cuthill (d.1873)who was from Berwickshire in the Borders.
Donald was a Gardener and was born in Strathglass although he left the region around the time of his marriage and died in Aberdeen in 1890 age 78.
His parents were Donald Chisholm, crofter/labourer and Rose Ann MacDonald. I don't know any more about this Donald - his wife Rose-Ann outlived him and died at Elgin in 1870 age 91. That's all I know.
Happy New Year one & all!
Alastair
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Author: rpchisholm
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To all Gobha descendents, that is a great posting from Alastair, quoting I would think from Colin of Leitre, the customs man, one of the most knowledgeable persons of all times when it comes to Gaelic customs, Highland Traditions, and of course, of the Chisholms.To celebrate the great poet and his ancetors, it would be fitting if you could use the modern science of DNA testing to look back into his, and your, ancestral past, and check out this "Farquarson " story, and also to connect with other Chisholms who are descended from the same family as Gobdha. This family now may already be recorded in the Clan Chisholm DNA database, it needs one of you, a male with a documented descent, in a direct male line, to volunteer to provide the sample and join the Chisholm DNA project. Should not be much of a cost if various descendents group together and combine to pay for one of you to test. So its up to you descendents of great Donald Gobdha to honour him by joining the project.
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Author: AJChisholm
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Colin Chisholm continues:
"You must have seen that Scotland added her quota lately to the Pilgrimages at Rome - Among the clergy from the North you may perhaps have noticed the name of the Revd Donald Chisholm from Aberdeen. In my opinion this Revd gentleman is about the nearest relative now in Scotland of the famous Donull Gobha. He presented one of his books to the Pope. On looking at the contents His Holiness requested that the whole of his work should be sent to him.
I am delighted to find that you are in possession of songs by Donull Gobha, which are I am sure entirely lost in his native district. Two of those you mention are printed in the "Transactions of the Gaelic Soc. of Inverness". The first is:- "Bha mi og ann an Strath-Glais". Eight verses of this song will be found in Vol X pages 227 & 228. The second is:- "Na'n deoinicheadh sibh m'eisdeochd" in Vol,XI pages 216 to 218. There are twenty verses of this song.
I cannot tell who Donull Gobha's wife was, nor do I think there is one person on this side of the Atlantic who could tell his age. I have heard it said that a son of his, Archy I think, was working as a smith for a few years ann an Ceardach an Righ i.e. the arsenal at Halifax, that the son came home and induced his aged father to accompany him on the return voyage in 1801 to America".
That's all folks
Alastair
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Author: AJChisholm
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Jolene & others - if you're still watching this board here's an extract from a letter dated 1891 from Colin Chisholm in Inverness to Rev. A. Maclean Sinclair in Nova Scotia. If you haven't seen this already it may be of interest:
" Donull Gobha, or Donull-dubh-a-bheoil-bhinn, as my dear father affectionately used to call him, was a son of the district smith of Strathglass. His father's Christian name (I believe) was John inasmuch as there were eight consecutive Johns of the same family,who had successfully kept possession of the same forge and as far as I know had satisfactorily discharged their duty for the district.
You wish to know the branch of Chisholms Donull Gobha's family sprung from - Well according to the genealogists of Strathglass,Donalds family did not descend from the Chisholms, but sprung from a Clan equally warlike, loyal and celebrated viz:- Clann Fhiunla Bhraidh bhar, i.e. the Farquharsons of Braemar. I believe it is an authentic tradition which states that the ancestor of Donald Gobha came as armourer and smith to Strathglass three or four hundred years ago. From that time till within a few years back when the last of the family left Strathglass, they were our only blacksmiths. Two however, father & son of the same family are still carrying on their independent craft in other districts.
Of the ceremony of change of surname I know simply nothing but one thing is certain and that is, the record of the man received into a clan must have been spotless. The process of affiliation may have been tedious but the results were lasting."
More to follow.
Alastair
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Author: marybethharmon1
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Could you share the information that you have with me? I will share the updated informtion I have of Charles and Laura's family with you. I have also found a book with my gggfathers name in it as a Captain. On a Schooner Banner? I really need to get to Cleveland to do more research as I had e-mailed the archives up ther and have not heard back
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Author: marybethharmon1
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Yes, I am still in Ohio. I have a Robert as son of John in the 1860 census being 24 years old and an Enginner. Does this ring a bell? Born 28 August,1835 in Cleveland. But other information I have says born in Nova Scotia
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Author: Scismgenie_1
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The folks who researched that particular Chisum line are pretty
confident that he is out of Robert Cheesome. I haven't seen any docs, it
is hearsay until I firm it up somehow. I would hope that someone does
have access to records which will help straighten all this out.
An unrelated aside, the earliest "named" Scism in NY is also a Robert.
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Author: rpchisholm
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Hi Jeff
Is your Tennessee participant from the line you suspect is connected to Elijah Chisum? And is this Elijah connected to Richard Cheesome via one of the sons lines? I wonder if some of the various connections to Richard Cheesome are able to be backed up with some form of documentation, it all looks to be a time where written records are rather thin.
>From what I have seen, which admittedly is not much, there is also no absolute proof that Richard was in fact a Chisholm to begin with, but it certainly looks like the descendents have changed their names to Chisum, Chism, and Chisholm, and so also perhaps to Scism. It will be most interesting indeed when both these results start coming, around the end of February. But for the real Richard Cheesome to be found, we need to have as many possible descendent claimants take the test, and it might just be that the majority group will show the correct line.
regards
Robert
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Author: Scismgenie_1
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Great news, in addition a Scism from Hawkins County, Tennessee line has also just joined the Scism Project, If the suspected connection exists to Elijah Chisum, then Robert Cheesome, then that may also solve a 70 year mystery as well.
Might be a happy new year after all is said and done....
Jeff Scism
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Author: rpchisholm
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Hi folkes.
A descendent of the one and only Richard Cheesome has now signed up for the DNA project.This is coming via an Obidiah line in KY. Its time that all you other lines consider checking your DNA for matches. The DNA project may reveal if Richard Cheesome was in fact Richard Chisholm, and if enough people who claim descent from Richard do the test, then we may be able to establish some certainty around the subject. So this message would include Butch Chism, and members of the famous Texas Chisum family, and any others who are claiming descent from Richard Cheesome, in a direct paternal line, this will only be males with a Chisholm Chisum Chism Cheasum or similar phonetic variant name.All you eager womenfolk out there , its easy, just get a cheek swab from a brother ,uncle, cousin etc to check out your paternal lines, sorry, only Y chromosomes allowed in this art of the project. You can check out the Clan Chisholm DNA project at FamilyTree DNA .com or reply to this post.
regards
Robert Chisholm, administrator of the Chisholm DNA project
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Author: DorothySwanson44
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Would appreciate the obituary of charles Chisholm who d. July 26, 1949 at Dwight, Illinois. Thank you so very much. Dorothy
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