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http://www.ukans.edu/carrie/kancoll/books/marcy/
I haven't got into this site a whole lot yet, but boy I plan on it. It looks like it is going to be extremely interesting.
It's a "Handbook for Overland Expeditions." So far I have glanced through one page that mentions the route to California from the Westport, Missouri area. This is where Thomas Chisham departed from in 1853. There are other routes mentioned as well.
It also talks about how to prepare for a trip, what supplies to take, and much, much more. Happy reading.
Deah
Check this out:
>From: Marge Mack <marge_mack(a)yahoo.com>
>To: BJC038(a)HOTMAIL.COM
>Subject: RE: CHISHAM FAMILY HISTORY
>Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:07:12 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Dear Barbara,
>Thank you for responding to my query. My
>great-grandmother was Cecelia Victoria Chisham who
>married Theophilus Shuck my great-grandfather. They
>were married in Ralls County, Missouri. Her father
>was Milton Chisham who was born in Scott County, KY,
>but died in Ralls County, MO. He married Elizabeth
>Ellen Little who was also born in Scott County, KY.
>The "Shuck" side of my family comes from Washington
>County, KY. So I feel like they must have all
>traveled to Missouri together. Please let me know
>your your linage in the "Chisham" family as we may be
>related!
>Sincerely,
>-Margaret (Shuck) Mack-
>PS I was born and raised around Hannibal, Missouri,
>but I live in Texas now.
>
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Happy hunting!
Deah
Hi Gang, Figured I could join you for a cup of coffee while I wait til my hubby gets out of the shower and gets dressed. He is worse then our daughter about the time he takes to get up and going. BG
As far as the names. Frederick & Milton are unusual, however James & William were the most common names used by people from the British Isles.
Tiss
Downburst wrote:
> Well here we are about a month and a half into our new list. We're doing pretty good, and so far I have survived the kindergarden stage of being a list mom. :O)
> Something you all might also keep in mind are some of the other lists with the variation of the spelling. I think we've all run across other variations while searching "Chisham", so you never know what you mind find where.
> I often see references made to books written on certain lines and have wondered if there is any such book regarding the Chisham family? If anyone is aware of one, please feel free to share the name with the list.
> One thing I've noticed in searching for information is the repetition of given names, as is with most any family. In this family James is very common, as is Milton and Fredrick, But I believe James wins hands down by far.
> I'd be interested, as well as others on the list I'm sure, what other patterns any of you may have noticed in the Chisham family. Whether it be names, migration patterns, occupations, or anything. Often too you will see other families showing up in the same places, and sometimes that may give a clue. Any ideas out there?
> Deah
> still on first cup of coffee
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Well here we are about a month and a half into our new list. We're doing pretty good, and so far I have survived the kindergarden stage of being a list mom. :O)
Something you all might also keep in mind are some of the other lists with the variation of the spelling. I think we've all run across other variations while searching "Chisham", so you never know what you mind find where.
I often see references made to books written on certain lines and have wondered if there is any such book regarding the Chisham family? If anyone is aware of one, please feel free to share the name with the list.
One thing I've noticed in searching for information is the repetition of given names, as is with most any family. In this family James is very common, as is Milton and Fredrick, But I believe James wins hands down by far.
I'd be interested, as well as others on the list I'm sure, what other patterns any of you may have noticed in the Chisham family. Whether it be names, migration patterns, occupations, or anything. Often too you will see other families showing up in the same places, and sometimes that may give a clue. Any ideas out there?
Deah
still on first cup of coffee
Got this site from another list. I haven't had a chance to really search through it yet. I did notice there is an Overton Cemetery. I wonder if this Overton connected somehow to the Mr. Overton that came back from California, and related that he had seen Thomas Chisham? Just curious.
Deah
http://www.yourlaunchpad.com/terry/jackson/cemeteries.htm
William CHISHAM m. Delphia RAINES 6/19/1791 - Culpepper Virginia
Catherine CHISHAM m. Samuel GAINBRIDGE 12/23/1796
James CHISHAM m. Catherine RAINES 12/1/1789- Orange Co. Va.
Sally CHISHAM m. Hugh ARMSTEAD 4/23/1800 Orange Co. Va
Benjamin Chism m. Elizabeth Beckham 8/23/1800 Orange Co. Va.
Gabriel CHISHAM m. Jane DEAN 9/5/1807- Green Co. Ky.
John L. CHISHAM m. Susannah Sublett 6/1/1818- Green Co. Ky.
William CHISHOLM m. Prudence POORE 10/16/1817- Green Co. Ky.
Johm CHISM m. Esther Lynn 9/27/1798- Green Co. Ky.
Tarlton POINTER m. Elizabeth CHISM 11/18/1845- Casey Co. Ky.
This is posted with permission from Barb, Kenneth's daughter. Kenneth wrote this letter to a cousin, August 5, 1979. Kenneth is now deceased.
"I read with interest of your trip to CA and the visit with Uncle Harry. All of what he told you was as it had been told to me. Tat is to say that Granpa's (Napolean) forebears were from Scotland and the name was spelled "Chisholm". I have also been told that this is the correct and original spelling for the entire clan despite the Chisms, Chissums et al. Dad (John Milton) had related to me and I do not know wheter face or fiction, that Thomas Chisham came to the US with a brother. They became separated on the East Coast and the brother was not heard from directly again. There were rumors that he may have migrated to or near Elizabethtown, KY which is about 50 miles south of here. None of this is confirmed but if it were possible, he may have retained the Chisholm spelling and spawned another whole cartel of relatives". He goes on to talk about a neighbor of ours visiting Scotland and how he brought back a history of the Scottish Clans and their social standing etc. It st!
ates that "The Chisholm" is a proud and aristocratic clan and Chisholm's are entitled to two plaids of their own clan in addition to the universal plaid.
Thank you Barb and Jean for sharing this.
Deah
If anyone is interested, I have information given to me on Mary Johnson Chisham's line back to the Barricklow's. Just email me privately, and I'll send it to you.
Also, somebody help me out. Am I dreaming, or was there a census or something that indicated that Thomas Chisham's father was born in Virginia??
On another note, am I seeing double, or is our list double posting???
Deah
Your ever confused list Mom
:O)
Barbara wrote:
> Been surfin the Kentucky pages on Rootsweb. Hope I'm not being redundant.
Nope, you're not being redundant. Some people might have seen some of these,
but some may not have, and we may have new subscribers that haven't.
>
http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/ky+index+8641113538063
+F
>
> Scott County, KENTUCKY: 1840 Census Index
>
> CHISAM 64
> CHISHAM 51-96
> CHISM 78
> Notice on this one the Dehoney's and the Rains
There's Stribling there too I see.
>
>
>
>
http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/data/ky+index+9206119877524
+F
Did you see this one also has Childers?
Deah
This is a very interesting page. It also has an Adam "Chisholm" listed as being on board the ship. The ship transported these people to Virginia. Interesting also, is that Thomas Chisham's father was born in Virginia. Could this be another possible connection??? Oh sweet mysteries of life!
Deah
http://istg.rootsweb.com/v2/scansv2/docsv2/elizabeth&ann17160114_pprs.html
I just came from the library. Found this. I don't know if it is any
help.
>From "Missouri Miscellany" - Confederate Soldiers Home of MO at
Higginsville, MO Dec. 1918
Jacob Chism 73 at time of admission on Mar 18, 1905. New Mexico -
Co. I 26th MO Inf.
I don't know what the New Mexico stands for. He would have been born in
1832
Tiss
Dear Barb etc. I'm posting this to the website because I think there is a lot
of info to share in it.
Tiss
BARBARA CORSO wrote:
> Yes, I agree. I think Tiss mentioned this before. This is getting
> complicated. You know I found an Elizabeth Chisham on the AIS Mortality
> Schedule for the 1860 Census, She died from Consumption in 1860 at the age
> of 60 in Scott Co. Ky. Could it be??? I need to look at a Census for Ky
> for 1860 and see if she's mentioned anywhere. What year did they start
> listing family members on Census's?? Also along your line of thought,
> Thomas Dinwiddie married Mary Tilford in Madison Co. in 1814.
He did???????? I assumed he married her in Scott Co. That is interesting!
Mary Davidson, the mother of all the children died about that time. Don't
have a definite date on her death. Of course the two counties aren't that far
apart and they would have gotten married in the brides residence, I guess.
Mary Weir Tilford/Telford had 4 sons, I believe. You two have some
interesting facts about Thomas D. such as him being a blacksmith, was it? I
thought he was just a farmer. Course most of those farmers had a trade of
some kind also. I'm still curious as to why he sold such a prosperous
plantation in 1805. He would have been about 54 then. I would of thought
that he was settled. Of course his brother, James was 73 when he up and went
to TN. Lived another 10 years.
Something I learned at the East TN Historic Festival for First Families was
why they moved so often. The simple fact was that they wore out the land.
They didn't practice rotating crops or fields for their animals. Another
reason was epidemics. Many left KY around 1828-30 because of a terrrible
Cholera epidemic. I guess they thought they thought they could outrun it.
We've come a long way, baby since then.
>
> >From: Tiss <ejthomas(a)i1.net>
> >To: Downburst <funyfarm(a)hit.net>
> >CC: BARBARA CORSO <bjc038(a)hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: Uh oh, my brain is spinning.
> >Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:09:26 -0500
> >
> >
> >
> >Downburst wrote:
> >
> > > Was searching for anything on an Elizabeth Dinwiddie. I found a
> > > marriage of an Elizabeth Dinwiddie to a John Miller Reid, August 2,
> > > 1823 in Madison County, Kentucky. Now that got me thinking, and
> > > that's scary. You know many times people lost their spouses and
> > > remarried. Now I'm not saying that this Elizabeth is the one, but what
> > > if Thomas's mother had been married before, so when Thomas's father
> > > married her, her last name wasn't Dinwiddie. Know what I mean? I've
> > > been so focused on a Chisham/Dinwiddie, I forgot there are no hard
> > > rules to this stuff. Just something to think about.Deah
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >Deah & Barb, Did I ever answer this letter. Elizabeth (Betsy) Dinwiddie
> >was the grandaughter of James and Sarah Helm Dinwiddie. Their oldest
> >son, William was her father. I have that she first married William Helm
> >Carson who apparently died a year later. They were married on Jan 2,
> >1823. Then she married John Miller Reid on Sept. 9, 1824. The Millers
> >were the founders of Millersburg, KY and the Reids had been hanging
> >around the Dinwiddies since PA. So had the Millers, I think. You have
> >the date of Aug. 2, 1823 which could be accurate if Wm died right after
> >the marriage. They didn't have time to mourn on the frontier.
> >
> >Where did you get the date for this marriage?
> >
> >The reason I was looking back in the posts was to see where you live,
> >Deah. Can you tell me again?
> >
> >Tiss
>
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> I have found some more info on my Chisham line. Napoleon Bonapart's father
> was John L. Chisham. The only record I can find of a wife is Susannah
> Sublett, but I think he was married again.
Jackie,
I recall seeing that name Susannah Sublett. I'll dig through what I have
and see if I can find anything. Anyone else have ideas?
Deah
I have found some more info on my Chisham line. Napoleon Bonapart's father
was John L. Chisham. The only record I can find of a wife is Susannah
Sublett, but I think he was married again. Napoleon had an older brother
named Bernard. I think they had different mothers.John L.'s other children
were Manerva, Naomi, James, H.W., S.S., and Bernard. They are found in the
1850 Taylor County Ky. census and the 1860 Taylor Co. census. Then in 1900 I
find Napoleon, his wife Pocahantas, Wade H., Ella and Anne. in Muhlenberg Co.
Ky. I can not figure out why I can't find a death certificate for Wade. I
have one for Napoleon and Pocahantas. Her parents were William Pointer and
Louisa Raley. Both of their death certificates state that their parents were
born in North Carolina. I know James William's ( Pocahantas's father) was
William Pointer and Susannah Henderson.
Jackie