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KDTripp,
Did we talk before? I think I discussed this with someone already via email. Thanks.
Howard
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Author: kmweb1
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As you have found, making that leap is the hard part.
Don't restrict yourself to Ancestry for the documentation. Take a look at FamilySearch.org. There just might be the clues needed there. If you can't prove the relationship directly possibly you can prove it via a brother or sister.
Also, just try a simple Google search. There might already be someone out there doing the same work and they may be willing to share what they have found.
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Author: RollerPoodle
Surnames: Chipman, Howland, Walcott
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Thank you, so much, for taking the time and effort to do all of this. I really appreciate it.
So far I could not find anything linking Benjamin II to Walcott, and no son named Levi. In fact I can't find out who Levi's parents are, through Ancestry. I had them down, I think, from other people's trees, but now I examined it more harshly, I don't see a paper trail.
I wonder if there are other Chipman branches other than the ones that married into the Howland family? They must've all come from Thomas Chipman, though, if I understood what I've read thus far, correctly. But then the things people have are likely based upon those same two Chipman genealogy books which the Mayflower Soc. does not accept.
Levi Walcott Chipman Sr is from Delaware and I read something last night which says Delaware can be very difficult, tracing anyone from those days. He was born in about 1804 if memory serves me.
So the state is right, the last name is right, but no connection? Seems odd to me...The middle name being Walcott, though, does seem to indicate a maternal Walcott line in there somewhere.
Of course, for Mayflower purposes, the trick is to find a paper trail between Levi Sr and a Howland descendant.
Thanks, again, so much for your help. And if yourself or anyone has more tips on the above, please, post. Thank you.
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Author: kmweb1
Surnames: Chipman, Howland, Minor, Skiffe, Tilley
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The information I'm providing is based on the book "John Howland of the Mayflower, Volume 3. The First Five Generations. Documented Descendants Through his third child Hope Howland, Wife of John Chipman" as compiled by Elizabeth Pearson White and published in October 2008 by Picton Press. I'm including the starting page numbers for each person on the direct line.
Where you went "wrong" is at Gen9. The above book describes how and why the family connection was changed also indicating which document was used as the basis for the statement.
John Howland m. (25 Mar 1623 O.S.) Elizabeth Tilley [p. 17]
Hope Howland (30 Aug 1629-8 Jan 1683) m. (~1646) John Chipman (~1620-7 Apr 1708) [p. 29]
John Chipman (3 Mar 1669/70-4 Jan 1756) m. (~1691) Mary Skiffe (13 Nov 1671-12 Mar 1711) [p. 52]
James Chipman (18 Dec 1694-7 Oct 1749) m. (28 Oct 1717) Mary Minor (31 Jul 1699-?) [p. 151]
Benjamin Chipman (~1731-Bef 23 Jun 1772) m. (~1755) Mary ? (?-Bef 4 Jan 1777) [p. 522]
Benjamin Chipman (3 Jun 1767-?) [p. 524]
It ends with Benjamin Chipman (3 Jan 1767) as the son of Benjamin and Mary Chipman. You will need to find sources acceptable to the Mayflower Society that will allow you to make the connection to his marriage to Sarah Walcott and then to having Levi Walcott Chipman as his son.
Best of luck,
Ken
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Author: RollerPoodle
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Hi Ken;
This helps a lot. Thanks so much. I really appreciate the help.
It's Hope who I'd be descended from if it's all true.
The Society didn't mention any of that in their rejection letter. Here is my line as I have it, maybe you could let me know, if you have the book, whether this would go back to James instead?
Gen4 from me would be: Delilah Chipman and husband
Gen5 her parents Levi Walcott Chipman Jr & Maria Elizabeth Swink
Gen6 Levi Walcott Chipman Sr & Delilah Cook
(the marriages up til here are in the state database, and other proofs could come from the census forms)
Then I have 2 Benjamins next.
Gen7 Benjamin Chipman & Sarah Walcott
Gen8 Benjamin Chipman & Mary (?)
Gen9 Perez Chipman & Margaret Wheeler
Gen10 John Chipman & Mary Skiff
Gen 11 John Chipman & Hope Howland
Where did I go wrong?
Thanks so much!!
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Author: kmweb1
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>From my understanding, and others will correct me if I'm wrong, the majority of the books detailing the Chipman line don't have citations/sources for the key details (BMD and parentage). That is why they are not acceptable to the Mayflower Society.
I would recommend that you look at the book "John Howland of the Mayflower, Volume 3. The First Five Generations. Documented Descendants Through his third child Hope Howland, Wife of John Chipman" by Elizabeth Pearson White published by Picton Press. This book is available from the Mayflower Society (and no, I'm not in any way associated with them).
The issue I believe you are dealing with is the change from Benjamin being the son of Perez to Benjamin being the son of James. This can be found on p. 522 in the first printing of the aforementioned book. The issue is explained on p. 153 of that same book.
Hopefully this helps and doesn't confuse the issue further.
Ken
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Author: RollerPoodle
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I applied to the Mayflower Society and was told that the Chipman genealogy books out there are not accepted, for my line.
I had Benjamin as a son of Perez Chipman, and they said this is not proven.
Does anyone have any info on any of this?
I'd also like to know about Levi Walcott Chipman Jr., since a Chipman genealogy book I found online does not list him as being the son of Senior.
So what's up with the Chipman lines? Thanks for any help.
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As Handley Chipman, grandson of John and Hope (Howland) Chipman, and son of the Hon. John Chipman, noted in a history of the Chipman family written ca. 1796:
"My Dear and Honored Deceased father John Chipman, married one Capt. Skiffs daughter of said Sandwich, by whom he had 9 children that all Lived to grow up to the years of Men and Women, from whom has sprang a very large offspring. Their names were Sons, James, Perez [sic], John, Ebenezer and Stephen. The Daughters names were Bethia and Mary, twins, as was also the Son Stephen with the next daughter Lidia, the others name was Deborah. They had all entered into the Marriage State and had generally large families of Children. Except said Stephen, who had no Children by his wife, Dying Master of a vessel young in Nevis in the West Indies.... But the Chipmans in America are very Numerous indeed. they are, we are, Sure all related, for they are all of them Descended from my said Grandfather. we find they are Spread even from Canso [a fishing village in Nova Scotia] Eastward to VIRGINIA WESTWARD, if not farther both ways." (See "Genealogies Of Mayflower Families, Vol. 1, Adams - Fu!
ller," pp. 497-513, pub. 1985 by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc.)
This is contemporary evidence, drawn from personal knowledge. So who was Handley Chipman talking about? He was talking about John Chipman of Pittsylvania Co., VA.
I'd received a letter dated 23 Mar 2001 from Elizabeth Pearson White who was beginning to work on her article (co-authored with Edwin Wagner Coles) about the Chipmans of DE. As she put it, [I] "have been slowed down trying to untangle the unholy mess of the Chipmans in Delaware."
White & Coles had some NY and DE Chipman material I didn't have, and I had VA Chipman records they didn't have. We didn't exchange information, so the account of James and Mary (Minor) Chipman's son John Chipman was unresolved when their article appeared in 2003. There's actually a lot more information on John Chipman of Pittsylvania Co., VA than there is on the John Chipman who lived in Dorchester Co., MD.
John Chipman of Pittsylvania Co., VA was listed on that county's 1770 tax list. It makes no sense to enter 1200 acres in Halifax Co., VA in the fall of 1766, be appointed Constable of Pittsylvania County on June 26, 1767, then purchase 50 acres in MD on May 9, 1768, return to VA to be taxed in 1770, then sell the same 50 acres in MD in 1771 ( the deed lists him as being of Dorchester Co., MD, not VA), and return again to VA and sign an Oath of Allegiance in 1777. Thus we have two John Chipmans.
It seems clear John Chipman (b. ca. 1728 based on the 1749 Lunenburg Co. tax list) of Pittsylvania Co., VA was the son of James and Mary (Minor) Chipman. Why? The problem is not as difficult as it might appear. We know John Chipman of Pittsylvania Co., VA had to be (for chronological reasons) a great-grandson of John and Hope (Howland) Chipman). He wasn't a remote descendant, so who were his antecedents?
John and Hope had two surviving sons: Samuel and John. Samuel's progeny are well known (at least to that point) and can be eliminated. John (known as Hon. John Chipman for his government service in RI) had four sons by his first marriage. The Pittsylvania John was b. ca. 1728, and therefore can't be a son of Handley Chipman, b. 1717, the son by Hon. John Chipman's second marriage (there was no issue of his third marriage). By Mary Skiff, John had four sons who had families: James, John, Paris, and Ebenezar. Ebenezar was b. 1709 and didn't have a son named John. His older brother John remained in MA and didn't have a son named John, either. That leaves Paris and James as possible fathers for John Chipman of Pittsylvania Co., VA.
Paris Chipman I didn't name any grandchildren in his will. It's a curious document, for he didn't give the married names of any of his daughters, either, though it's known Milly married -- Commeans, and Mary was unmarried.
However, there's a document which indicates his sons Paris II and (presumably) John didn't have surviving issue: a deed filed in Dorchester Co., MD dated 13 Aug 1813, in which Draper Chipman, Ameilia Commeans, and Mary Chipman conveyed to Arthur Wheatley their interest in land owned by Paris Chipman II in Dorchester Co., MD. Evidently Paris Chipman II had died intestate. In 1813 Draper Chipman was a resident of KY, so we may presume there was no difficulty in learning of an interest in the property of Paris Chipman II. If John Chipman, son of Paris Chipman I, had surviving issue, they would have inherited their father's interest in the tract. There was a John Chipman (d. 1829) residing in Sussex Co., DE (as did Ameilia Commeans and Mary Chipman) who was a mill operator, and yet wasn't a party to this deed. I think it obvious this individual wasn't a grandson of Paris Chipman I.
John Chipman disappears from the Pittslvania Co., VA records after 1777. This was a volatile and active section of VA, there have been losses in the records of Pittsylvania Co., and successor counties should be searched for records. Since this man isn't listed in the comprehensive 1787 VA tax lists, he was probably deceased by then, so the period of interest is 1777-1787.
Records:
John Chipman
Pittsylvania Co., VA
Lunenburg Co., VA: Tithes of Cornelius Cargill, 1749. One tithe for John Chipman.
Halifax Co., VA was formed in 1752 from Lunenburg Co.:
March 10, 1752. Jno. Chipman: survey; 197 acres on both sides of Cane Creek.
July 14, 1755. John Chipman enters the vacant land not exceeding 400 acres between Hogan, Thomas, and Harris lines on Cane Creek.
1760. Halifax Co tax list: John Chipman, William Chipman. (William Chipman is undoubtedly the same who fought in the French & Indian War from Fort Loudon, VA.)
1760, July court, Halifax Co. "It appearing to the court that William Chipman son of John Chipman age 7 years next September 17 has lately and causally had apiece of the under part of of his left ear taken off by the belt of a mare." (Contributed by Connie Taylor)
February 15, 1764. John Chipman 400 acres on branches of Cane Creek beginning at his corner, adjoining his own land and the Read and Clay lines.
May 21, 1764, John Been (Bean) to John Chapman [sic], both of Halifax Co., 190 acres on both sides of Cane Creek, being part of a larger tract granted to John Been by patent dated September 10, 1760. Rec June 21, 1764. (Halifax Co. Deed Book 5, pp. 15-16) This deed is interesting because John Bean wasn't the original patentee; James Hogan was. See Virginia State Land Office Patents no. 34, pp. 713-714.
December 25, 1765. John Chipman 400 acres both sides of Fall Creek beginning at Innes fore and aft.
January 27, 1766. John Chipman 400 acres on a branch of Dan River adjoining Hogan, Terry and John Owens.
May 15, 1766. John Chipman of Halifax Co. to Roger Atkinson, merchant. 190 acres on both sides of Cane Creek whereon said Chipman now dwells, part of 383 acres granted by patent to James Hogan September 10, 1760. Signed: John Chipman (JC). Witnesses: Ben Lankford, Thomas Dillard Jr., Theops. Lacy, Jno. Donolson. Recorded: July 17, 1766. Deed Book 6, p. 18. (There is no wife relinquishing dower in this tract, indicating she was deceased. This tract is the same purchased of John Been on May 21, 1764; see above.)
Deeds from Entry Record Book 1737-1777 (covers Halifax, Pittsylvania, Henry, Patrick, and Franklin counties).
October 26, 1766. John Chipman 400 acres on the south fork of Smith River beginning at the mouth and up both sides.
October 28, 1766. John Chipman 400 acres on Buffaloe Creek beginning at Wards upper line.
November 1, 1766. John Chipman 400 acres on top of the Main Mountain adjoining his own lines on the north and northeast side.
Pittsylvania Co., VA was formed in 1767 from Halifax Co
1767: Tithables taken for Pittsylvania Co. by John Dix: John Chipman, Constable, one tithe.
June 26, 1767. "John Chipman came into Court and took the Oath of a Constable as also the several Oaths by Law prescribed."
1770. Tithables for Pittsylvania Co.: John Chipman.
Pittsylvania Co. Will: Joshua Worsham Sr. Left to sons Robert and Joshua one half each of a tract of land on Hat Creek on the waters of Smith River which was purchased from John Chipman. Probated August 29, 1771. (The Smith River area became Henry County after 1777.)
1777. Pittsylvania Co. Oaths of Allegiance: John Chipman, Jacob Chipman. (John Chipman's Oath of Allegiance qualifies descendants for DAR membership.)
[Most of this material was compiled by Lucille Payne of the Pittsylvania Co., VA Historical Society in 1987/8. I ran across Maud Carter Clement's volume on Pittsylvania County and found John Chipman had been constable in 1767. I thank Lucille Payne for her time spent tracking down these records.
No one (except Handley Chipman) knew there had been Chipmans in colonial VA. My conclusion is that John Chipman of Pittsylvania Co. was Handley's nephew; and as a hypothesis he had four sons in this birth order: William, James, Jacob, and John. The fate of William and Jacob is unknown, but James and John were residing in Sussex Co., DE by the late 1780s; James Chipman being the progenitor of the Chipmans of Scott and Grant Cos., KY. There may have been daughters of whom we presently have no record.
Pittsylvania Co. wasn't the most hospitable place to live. In 1749, people with a modicum of common sense and decent regard for their physical well being were living in the established settlements to the east.]
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This deed is recorded in Halifax Co., VA, and there's some interesting history in it:
This Indenture made this fifteenth Day of May in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and sixty six and in the fifth year of the Reign of our Sovereign lord King George the third Between John Chipman of the County of Halifax and Parish of antrim Planter of the one part and Roger Atkinson of the County of and Colony of Virginia Mercht of the other part Witnesseth that the said John Chipman for and in consideration of the sum of Eighty pounds Current money of Virginia to him in hand paid by the said Roger Atkinson the Receipt whereof he the said John Chipman doth hereby Acknoldge and thereof and of and from Every part and parcel thereof doth hereby acquit Exonerate and Discharge the said Roger Atkinson hath granted Bargained and sold aliened Enfeoffed and Confirmed and by these presents Doth grant Bargain and sell their Enfeoff and Confirm unto the said Roger Atkinson all that tract and parcel of land situate in the County of Halifax and Parish of antrim and on both!
sides of Cane Creek whereon the said John Chipman now dwells Containing by Estimation one hundred and sixty acres Being part of 383 ac granted by pat to James Hogan date the 10 day of Sep 1760 Limited Bounded Describd as follows Beginning at a Corner Birch on the said creek Thence North Eighty seven Degrees East one hundred and fifty poles Crossing Cane Creek and a branch to pointers South five Degrees East one hundred and seventy six pos to pointers Thence a new dividing line North Eighty four Degrees West two hundred and seventy six pos Crossing Cane Ck to a white oak and pointers Thence the patent line North twenty four Degrees East one hundred and fifty seven poles to the first . and all trees woods . profits Commodities advantages hereditaments and appurtenances whatsoever to the said tract or parcel of land and premises above mentioned belonging or in any wise appertaining and also the Revertion and Revertions Remainder and Remainders Rents and Services of the said p!
remises above mentioned and of every part and parcel thereof with the
Appurtenances and also all the Estate Right Title Interest Claim and Demand whatsoever Either in Equity or in Law of him the John Chipman of in or to the said premises above mentioned or in any part thereof to have & to hold the said one hundred and ninety acres of land and premises above mentioned and every part and parcel thereof with the Appurtenances unto the said Roger Atkinson his heirs and assigns to the only proper use and Behoof of the said Roger Atkinson his heirs and assigns forever and the said John Chipman for himself & his heirs doth warrant and agree to and with the said Roger Atkinson his heirs and assigns by these present that the said John Chipman the said one hundred and ninety Acres of Land and premises above mentioned and Every part and parcel thereof with the Appurtenances unto the said Roger Atkinson his heirs and assigns Against the said John Chipman & his heirs and all and Every Other person and persons whatsoever Shall and will Warrant and forever D!
efend By these presents In Witness whereof the said John Chipman hath to these presents set his hand and Affixed his seal the Day and year first above written ----
John JC Chipman his mark
Sealed & Delivered in present of
Ben Lankford
Thos Dillard
Theops Lacy
Jno. Doneleson
Memorandum that on the day and year first within mentioned full peaceable and quiet possession and livery of seizen of the within mentioned one hundred and ninety Acres of land sold made and delivered By the within named John Chipman unto the within named Roger Atkinson to hold to him his heirs and Assigns forever According to the proper & true intent and meaning of the within written Indenture.
Jno JC Chipman his mark
Sealed in presences of
Ben Lankford
Ths Dillard
Theops Lacy
Jno Donelson
[Halifax Co., VA Deed Book 6, pp. 18-20. To my knowledge, this is the first time this deed has been transcribed. I've never seen so much legalese in a deed, which may reflect a cloud on the title or the uncertainties of life on the VA frontier. The absence of a wife relinquishing dower indicates she was deceased, or he was married to a wife who was not his wife when the property was purchased, and therefore she had no dower rights in the property. The use of a mark suggests John Chipman was illiterate.
Jno (John) Donelson, who signed as a witness, was the father of Rachel Donelson who married President Andrew Jackson.]
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Myrtle's father was Vernon Norman Chipman,born 01/30/1868. Her mother was Cora L Horton-Chipman, born in 1872. She had three brothers and three sisters: Floyd W, (1893)Vernon D, (1902)Frank l, (1909) and Sarah E, (1897) Florence M,(1906) and Jessie I.(1907)
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Myrtle's father was Vernon Norman Chipman,born 01/30/1868. Her mother was Cora L Horton-Chipman, born in 1872. She had three brothers and three sisters: Floyd W, (1893)Vernon D, (1902)Frank l, (1909) and Sarah E, (1897) Florence M,(1906) and Jessie I.(1907)
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Hi!
I have lots of info on my grandmother, Dora Chipman Davis, born in Kentville NS. This dates back to John Chipman & Hope Howland of the Mayflower.
Let me know if I can help!
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