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Sheri,
I just found your message with your lineage. So you won't have to
send it again!
There is another thing I wanted to ask you. Have you read or seen
the book "The Civil War in Carter and Shannon Co., Mo.?" I ordered it
from Carter Co. It is written by J.J. Chilton, Eunice Pennington, David
Lewis, Esau Huett, & others. It is quite gory in places, but tells a lot
about the terrible Civil War! The Chilton's are all through it! Interesting!
Rhonda
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From: Sheri Horton<mailto:hortonsheri@aol.com>
To: gc-gateway(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> ; chilton(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:chilton@rootsweb.com>
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Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [CHILTON] "The Chiltons - Their Ancestors and Decendants",by Charles L. and Marjory Orchard, Volumes I and II.
Thank you, Jeff for your input. You and I have communicated a lot over
the years and I also have communicated with Joe Chilton and have the
information explaining who was in TN and who had already left and gone
to MO. Since I descend from both Thomas Boggs Chilton and Thomas Coot
Chilton I have had to sort this all out and have not seen any evidence
that Thomas in his will specified whether it was "Boggs" or "Coot" and
like I said before, "Boggs" doesn't fit to be the son of Thomas. Now
Thomas had a brother Mark and he also had children and Mark fought in
the Rev. War. Since Thomas Boggs named his first two children Mark and
Clementine the naming traditions would definately point to the fact that
Mark and his wife Clementine were the parents of Thomas Boggs Chilton.
I have seen the transcript of Martha Chilton's will naming her children
which include Thomas and Mark. Since it has been stated that "Boggs"
and "Coot" are cousins then that also points to the fact that Thomas
Coot Chilton is more likely the son of Thomas and Saphira.
It would be great if the DAR would go back and clear up the lineage of
Mark Chilton and his brother Thomas Chilton to help others with this
mess that keeps things confused.
Many of the rest of you are descending from the son James so probably
don't care much if the 2 Thomas's are straightened out. They are both
my lines and so I care very much and would like to see what evidence
others have that verifies it all.
*Diana Cruz*
/Imagine things the way you want them to be, and you will give the
universe some hints to go on./
Diana
As chapter registrar for the Sarah Barton Murphy chapter of NSDAR / MSSDAR
let me assure you that every line of an application must be backed up with
proof and that proof must ALSO connect one generation to the next.
Information is not just submitted as it was in the beginnings of the organization.
There are strict guideline as to what is acceptable proof and if it doesn't
work then the papers are rejected. I know this because I am the one who
for the last 8 yrs with my chapter has had the job of doing this, and I
strive to make sure everything is correct , because I am also the one who has to
tell the dear lady if it is not and she cannot become a member
Actually Thomas Chilton Sr is one of the sets of papers flagged where
proof must be perfectly accurate as someone turned in paperwork showing James m
Catherine Burns as Thomas son , and of course it is actually his brother
I actually will take something such as Thomas's will and them go find
census records , tombstones , any concrete evidence to back an item up before I
submit any research . I find a timeline unuseful unless you have something
concrete to back up you dates
I'd be glad to hear from Joe to learn what proof he has to challenge what
I know to correctly be my linage
I didn't say that Joes work was not right only that I believe mine is
correct because I have the legally accepted documents to back this up . On the
site I was given no proofs or sources were listed
As I said , To each his own , . This is something I do not take lightly
Below is a reply from Chilton cousin Barbara Jean
I was just reading Jeff Carter's (and your) posts. Grandma (Lucinda
Elizabeth Chilton Heath) and Uncle Ben (Benjamin Franklin Chilton)
told me and Uncle Ben's grandson that Lydia's name was Landon. John
and Lydia were married in Tennessee before they moved to Missouri,
but there is no record there (courthouse fire). I searched all the
census records for Jefferson Co., TN and there were no Woods living
there. If there was no family by that name, John Chilton couldn't
have married someone by that name in that place. There was the
Langdon family (very similar name -- in verbal transmission it's a
slight mispronunciation to get to Landon). Both my grandmother and
Uncle Ben said that their father Joseph (Lydia's son, who took care
of her affairs after his father died) said her name was Landon. I
had e-mailed with Jeff Carter about this before and told him all
this. He said that "Wood" was written in a family bible and that it
appeared to be in a different hand and could have been written in
later. Family names for children both Jane Langdon and our Lydia are
almost identical, and the father was Joseph Langdon.
Barbara
Yes, he did that for me, too (and where I got the wrong connection that
he's talking about). I don't know who the others are, either, but I've seen
Dianne Cruz several times on the list.
Go ahead and forward -- as I said, I e-mailed back and forth with him on
this years ago. He told me that the handwriting looked different and could
have been added later. I think two grandchildren (my grandma and Uncle
Ben) reporting what their father -- Lydia's son -- said should be taken as
fact. They said Landon -- that name doesn't exist in Jefferson Co., TN and
neither does Wood -- Langdon does exist in the right place at the right time
with a family there and another Chilton marriage.
Since you're the registrar and my proofs are the same as yours, I would be
in without a hassle, huh?
Barbara
Yes, he did that for me, too (and where I got the wrong connection that
he's talking about). I don't know who the others are, either, but I've seen
Dianne Cruz several times on the list.
Go ahead and forward -- as I said, I e-mailed back and forth with him on
this years ago. He told me that the handwriting looked different and could
have been added later. I think two grandchildren (my grandma and Uncle
Ben) reporting what their father -- Lydia's son -- said should be taken as
fact. They said Landon -- that name doesn't exist in Jefferson Co., TN and
neither does Wood -- Langdon does exist in the right place at the right time
with a family there and another Chilton marriage.
Since you're the registrar and my proofs are the same as yours, I would be
in without a hassle, huh?
Barbara
Should anyone wish to discuss this off site so as to not hurt anyone's
feeling my email is _hortonsheri(a)aol.com_ (mailto:hortonsheri@aol.com)
Thank you
Sheri
To each his own I prefer to go with documentable proof
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On Apr 26, 2010, at 3:43 AM, Diana Cruz <dcruz(a)pacifier.com> wrote:
> In reply to:
>
> The other chlidren of Thomas and Sapharonia who have been accepted
> thru DAR
> are Ann m John Inman
> Thomas Boggs M Susannah Inman
> James m Nancy Clark
> Eleanor m William Love (Larue)per Thomas's will
>
> The DAR only contains information that has been submitted to them
> without their verifying any of it as correct so it includes many
> errors
> carried down from Mrs. Whitaker and others that just keep passing the
> incorrect info along. The timeline does not fit for Thomas Boggs
> Chilton to be reasonable as the son of Thomas and Sapharia but Thomas
> Coot Chilton does fit and was still in TN at the time of the will of
> Thomas who never went to MO. Thomas Boggs Chilton had long since left
> TN for MO. Joe Chilton spent two years in TN researching and
> documenting the Chiltons that were in TN to try and get it more
> correct. I will go with his research.
>
> "The Chiltons - Their Ancestors and Decendants" also include errors
> which is from incorrect information without documented sources to back
> up the dates, etc. at the time the book was written. As stated in the
> front of these books it was research for the descendants of Thomas
> Boggs
> Chilton and Thomas Coot Chilton and gave a few possibilities of the
> ancestry prior to these two Thomas Chiltons. They were leaving that
> research for others to do.
>
> Again, I would suggest using a timeline and where these people all
> were
> in the timeline to get a clearer picture of the obvious errors again
> and
> again.
>
> *Diana Cruz*
> /Imagine things the way you want them to be, and you will give the
> universe some hints to go on./
>
>
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In reply to:
The other chlidren of Thomas and Sapharonia who have been accepted thru DAR
are Ann m John Inman
Thomas Boggs M Susannah Inman
James m Nancy Clark
Eleanor m William Love (Larue)per Thomas's will
The DAR only contains information that has been submitted to them
without their verifying any of it as correct so it includes many errors
carried down from Mrs. Whitaker and others that just keep passing the
incorrect info along. The timeline does not fit for Thomas Boggs
Chilton to be reasonable as the son of Thomas and Sapharia but Thomas
Coot Chilton does fit and was still in TN at the time of the will of
Thomas who never went to MO. Thomas Boggs Chilton had long since left
TN for MO. Joe Chilton spent two years in TN researching and
documenting the Chiltons that were in TN to try and get it more
correct. I will go with his research.
"The Chiltons - Their Ancestors and Decendants" also include errors
which is from incorrect information without documented sources to back
up the dates, etc. at the time the book was written. As stated in the
front of these books it was research for the descendants of Thomas Boggs
Chilton and Thomas Coot Chilton and gave a few possibilities of the
ancestry prior to these two Thomas Chiltons. They were leaving that
research for others to do.
Again, I would suggest using a timeline and where these people all were
in the timeline to get a clearer picture of the obvious errors again and
again.
*Diana Cruz*
/Imagine things the way you want them to be, and you will give the
universe some hints to go on./
Hi Jeff
Sorry but I totally disagree with Joe Chilton's listing as I was able to
document thru wills and census records the linage I listed for myself .
The same linage has been accepted for more that a dozen ladies thru DAR
The linage is as follows
Thomas B ca 1740 m Sapharona Baird Thomas did die 1807
James Chilton B 1775 VA died 12/26/1829 Madison Co Mo m 8/1/1796 Nancy
Clark at Jefferson Co Tn Nancy died Nov 1843 Madison Co Mo
John b 1797 died ca 1840 Wayne Co m Lydia E Lan(g)don died 1/25/1872
Iron Co Mo
The other chlidren of Thomas and Sapharonia who have been accepted thru DAR
are Ann m John Inman
Thomas Boggs M Susannah Inman
James m Nancy Clark
Eleanor m William Love (Larue)per Thomas's will
I do stand by this however I cannot tell you where Lydia's last name comes
from
The previous linage for myself was actually proven by myself for our
Cousin Karen who parts ways with my line at Joseph . His brother Garrett
(Jarrett) is her respective gggrandfather
This linage is also confirmed in the book The Chiltons , Descendants of
Carter, Reynolds and Shannon Cos Mo by the Orchards , which someone stole from
the Rolla library but can be found in the genealogy dept of the downtown
St Louis library also in issues of the William and Mary Quarterly found at
most large librarys
I believe you reference the Chiltons of early America There are of course
the Wayne and ziron Co census records and then I also used the will of
Raliegh Chilton which proves the children of John and Lydia since he died
without issue. You will remember this as you are the one who told me about it
and where to find it Name: Thomas CHILTON Given Name: Thomas Surname:
CHILTON Sex: M Birth: 1752 in or 1740 Fredrick Co. MD _1_
(http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2732485&id=I55...)
Death: Bef. 4 Jan 1807 _1_
(http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2732485&id=I55...) Note:
Custom Field:<_FA#> 3 kids - Charles Truman, Patsy, Caroline may be
brothers kids
The Chiltons - Their Ancestors & Desendents - Rolla Public Library
Thomas Chilton - Ensign from Montogmery County, Maryland 1778-1779
Signed the Oath of Allegiance in the County in 1778
Military record is in: Vol. a pt. 2 p. 36; Vol. 3 p. 78 Unpublished
Records of Maryland
The marriages of the children of Thomas in Jefferson County, Tenn. are in
the Marriage Book of that county: Vol. 1 p. 17, 54, 60, 62.
Most of the information up and including marriages was taken from
Sheltons of England and America. By Mildred C. Witaker. Jefferson
County, Tenn. Records (Jones and Gandried) Vol. 2 p. 18
In the name of God Amen, I, Thomas Chilton, of Jefferson County and State
of Tennessee, being at this time weak of body, but of sound mind and
memory, do make this my last will and testament in the manner and form
following, revoking, and disannulling all other will heretofore made by
me.
To Wit: John Inman
Item: I give and bequeath to my son-in-law, William Love, a negro boy
named Tom, now in his possession, together with such other property as I
have heretofore given him.
Item: I bequeath to John Inman, my son-in-law, a negro boy, Daniel, now
in his possession, together with such other property as I have heretofore
given him.
Item: I give and bequeath to my son-in-law, George Larue, a negro girl
named Nan, now in his possession, together with such other property as I
have heretofore given him.
Item: I give and bequeath to my beloved wife, Sapphira Chilton, during
her natural life, all of my land and the benefits arising there from with
the exception of a part leased to my son-in-law, George Larue. I also
bequeath to her during her life my negro slaves, Harry and his wife,
Sall, and Charles; also all of my personal estate consisting of stock and
household furniture, farming utensils and etc.
Item: I give and bequeath to my son, Thomas Chilton, at the death of his
mother, the one half of my land to include the house and etc. wherein I
now live, together with the above named slaves, Harry and his wife, Sall.
Item: I give and bequeath to my son, James Chilton, at the death of his
mother, the other one half of my land to include the place now let to
George Larue. I also give to him at the above named time, my negro boy,
Charles. It is also my will that my above named sons, at the death of
their mother, should they both survive her, should make fair and amicable
division of all the estate left by her and not herin bequeathed, to be
left to good and impartial mean to be by them chosen and their division
to be final between them. It is also my will that if either, or both of
my above named sons should die before their mother, then and in that
case, the property herein devised should be equally divided between all
my children that may survive. It is my will, and I do hereby appoint my
son-in-law, John Inman, Executor and my beloved wife, Sapphira Chilton,
Executrix of this my Last Will and Testament.
In testimony whereof, I have set my hand and seal this fourth day
of our
Lord, One thousand eight hundred and seven.
In Presence of
Baldwin Harle
John Chilton
/S/ Thomas (x) Chilton
_________________________________________________________________
DAR Patriot Index - pg. 129 - Rolla Library
Thomas Chilton - born 1740, died before Jan. 4, 1807, married Sapphira
Pierce,
Ensign, Patriotic Service in Maryland
This is thomas Sr's will
listing Thomas and James as his sons and his son's in law
Thanks
Sheri
It's been a couple years since I did the research sobwill have to
pull out files but cab tell you that Thomas Boggs and Thomas Coot
Chilton are first cousins and they descend of Chiltons from Va you
will not find these Chilton descendantsvin NC. They were not there.
They are covered in the Orchards Chilton Descendants book I have some
pages of the book as I am a Chilton descendent
My line is as follows
Thomas Chilton. m Sappahronia Baird Thomas of Va moved to Mo via Tn
James Chilton m Nancy Clark
John Chilton m Lydia Langdon
Joseph Chilton m Rachel Rebecca Winn
Lydia Chilton m Massa Sisk
Lucy Sisk m Hunter McDuffie
Lois McDuffie m Eugene Horton
Me
I have much Chilton genealogy here so if you wish to email with more
info
It is hortonsheri @aol.com no spaces
I'll be glad to help if I can
Sheri
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On Apr 23, 2010, at 8:33 PM, "gc-gateway(a)rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway(a)rootsweb.com
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> After my last message I did some searching of the census and it
> appears that your John N. Chilton in the 1880 TN census shows born
> in North Carolina and his parents both born in Virginia. In 1870 TN
> census John and family (indexed under Jno) are living in the
> household of Arnold and Mary Miller. In 1860 TN census John is on
> one page (indexed as John W.) and wife and children are on the next
> page. I found a John and Lavinca Chilton in 1850 NC census and
> wonder if this might be a first wife who died and then married again
> and moved to TN by 1860 census?
>
> I checked the 1820 census and found only 2 Chiltons in NC, John and
> Samuel.
>
> Some of this might help you. Good luck with your search. It
> appears that your Chiltons descend from the Chiltons prior to Thomas
> Boggs Chilton and Thomas Coot Chilton which is what is covered in
> the Chilton Descendants books by Judge and Marjory Orchard.
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can you tell what john chiltons middle name was
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Hey Diana
thanks so much
we have an old family bible and cannot read the middle inital of John Chilton. It looks like a N or M or W. So i dont have a middle name.
Most of the chiltons that i am related to moved to springfield, and nashville tn.
My grandfather thought that John Chilton was born in either North Carolina or Virginia. I started searching other states, not just Tennessee and then started see some more info.
i checked with the springfield, robertson county, tn history group and there are NO chiltons buried in any of the 530 grave yards and cemetaries in all of the county. so NOW i know they are not buried there.
I know John Chilton was in and out of Missouri, and when i put missouri in the death locations, i started getting matches.
i am going to try and find that book.
i live about 60 miles north of dallas and maybe that book is in one of their libraries.
looks like a lot of data is in there
thanks thanks thanks
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After my last message I did some searching of the census and it appears that your John N. Chilton in the 1880 TN census shows born in North Carolina and his parents both born in Virginia. In 1870 TN census John and family (indexed under Jno) are living in the household of Arnold and Mary Miller. In 1860 TN census John is on one page (indexed as John W.) and wife and children are on the next page. I found a John and Lavinca Chilton in 1850 NC census and wonder if this might be a first wife who died and then married again and moved to TN by 1860 census?
I checked the 1820 census and found only 2 Chiltons in NC, John and Samuel.
Some of this might help you. Good luck with your search. It appears that your Chiltons descend from the Chiltons prior to Thomas Boggs Chilton and Thomas Coot Chilton which is what is covered in the Chilton Descendants books by Judge and Marjory Orchard.
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Diane, I don't know if this is the correct John Chilton but there is a John Chilton b. abt 1864 married to an Artie Cox. John's parents were John Chilton b. abt 1825 in Tenn. and Sarah Ann Sinclair b. 1834 in Missouri.
Most of the Chiltons in the book migrated from TN to MO. The John Chilton (father above) was the son of Thomas Coot Chilton and Rebecca Daniels.
It doesn't quite fit with what you have given me for information but would be glad to do more searching and you can contact me directly at email dcruz at pacifier.com.
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Hi
My name is Diane Chilton of Pilot Point, TX. I am struck on tracing my great great grandfather, John Street Chilton, i think from Springfield, TN. dates of 1861 to 1926. His father was John N? Chilton, He married Artelia Joyner, birth dates 1826 for John. if you can look up something it would be appreciated. I cant find the books.
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