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When ABRAHAM CHILDERS, III's father( Father ABRAHAM CHILDERS II/JR
son of ABRAHAM CHILDERS I/SR) died, His first cousin,(Child of
PHILIMON CHILDERS, BROTHER OF ABRAHAM CHILDERS, II/JR) also named
ABRAHAM CHILDERS, being older, became ABRAHAM CHILDERS SR., and ABRAHAM
CHILDERS III became ABRAHAM CHILDERS II/JR. When the cousin died in
1720, ABRAHAM CHILDERS II/JR then became ABRAHAM CHILDERS,I/Sr
COUSINS, I believe This Bit OF?____________________??MUM-JUMBO would tend
to bewilder any understanding of how who should or might be referred to
<AS> WHOM?? In My reaseach I have never seen such CHANGEING.
And the Songn only got to their own Grand, Pa
CUZ A T _atpowelljr(a)aol.com_ (mailto:atpowelljr@aol.com)
I ran across your Mitchell Childress years ago in researching my 4th great
grandfather, John Childress in Knox County, Tennessee. I assumed that
Mitchell and John were probably brothers or cousins; however, I believe DNA
tests proved this is not so.
Eldon J. Edgin
14908 Woodbriar Drive
Dallas, Texas 75248
Phone: (972) 991-4891
eedgin(a)sbcglobal.net or eldon(a)edgin.org
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From: <mwj819(a)aol.com>
To: <childress(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: [CHILDRESS] CHILDRESS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 23
>I have a Mitchell Allen Childress born 1860 in Henrico County, Va. I have
>for many years wondered about your Mitchell and the others to see if my
>Mitchell is named after the others. His Father Joseph L. Childress and
>Elizabeth Childress. (double line) Both trace back to Alexander Childress
>born 1751 in Henrico County, Va. I have been unable to locate Alex.
>parents. I can't prove it but think that Joseph Childress is the brother
>of Alexander and that some how they connect to Abraham Childress of Henrico
>County, Va. the Curles. I can trace the property that they all lived on in
>Henrico but not the other. Marie Jennings
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> To: childress(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 3:01 am
> Subject: CHILDRESS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 23
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> Today's Topics:
> 1. Re: Naming Patterns (Sara Binkley Tarpley)
> 2. MITCHELL CHILDRESS, SR. (born 1753 in Henrico Co, VA, died
> 1844 in Knox Co, TN) (Ann B. Chambless)
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> Message: 1
> ate: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 14:29:35 -0600
> rom: Sara Binkley Tarpley <sarabtarpley(a)gmail.com>
> ubject: Re: [CHILDRESS] Naming Patterns
> o: childress(a)rootsweb.com
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> Sharon,
> I agree. I have never found them in any of my ancestries, not even among
> my
> erman speaking Swiss ancestors.
> Sara
> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:39 PM, <fmlytracer(a)aol.com> wrote:
>> Naming patterns weren't absolute. The naming patterns you mention are a
> guideline, not a rule.
>
>
> Not all families followed these naming patterns.
>
>
> Sharon Tabor
>
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> Message: 2
> ate: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:32:51 -0600
> rom: "Ann B. Chambless" <rabc123(a)scottsboro.org>
> ubject: [CHILDRESS] MITCHELL CHILDRESS, SR. (born 1753 in Henrico Co,
> VA, died 1844 in Knox Co, TN)
> o: childress(a)rootsweb.com
> essage-ID: <4D0E7A03.1040604(a)scottsboro.org>
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> I am still searching for the parents of Mitchell Childress, Sr.
> 1753-1844) who married first Hannah Webb (daughter of John and Ustley
> ebb) in Amherst County, VA. Hannah was the mother of his children.
> am not satisfied with the lineage that has previously been suggested
> o me, so I keep searching and reading the Wills and mid-18th century
> irginia deeds and other court documents for new clues.
> itchell Childress, Sr. stated in his Rev. War pension application that
> e married in Amherst Co, VA, and moved shortly thereafter to NC. His
> ldest child, Mitchell Childress, Jr., was born circa 1769 (possibly in
> eorgia). Mitchell, Sr.'s pension application shows that he and Hannah
> ere in Georgia for a short time circa 1769. They moved back to Wilkes
> o, NC, where they lived during the Revolutionary War, as did her
> arents. Mitchell Childress, Sr. moved his family to East Tennessee
> bout 1793, and he lived the rest of his life in Knox County, TN, where
> e died in 1844.
> UESTION: Which Childress male (living in Amherst Co, VA in 1753)
> ould have been the right age to be father of Mitchell Childress, Sr. at
> ime of Mitchell's birth in 1753????
> nn B. Chambless
> cottsboro, AL 35769
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From: <Atpowelljr(a)aol.com>
To: <fmlytracer(a)aol.com>
Cc: <childress(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2010 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [CHILDRESS] YA ever hear of the Song ,I over looked an ORCHID
while sear...
> CUZ, The ancestors thast are being discused in theis Childress List were
> in the U S long before Ellis Island was Thought of
> I can hardly believe your failure to undestand, There were ports of
> disembarkation At; Jamestown & Tappahanock, va, Annapolis, Md, Chester
> Pa,
> Willmingtopn North carolina, Balt Md. & a port of disembarkation inn New
> jersy,
> Boston ma All of those ports had Human beings working that could barley
> Read & understand Less of what Many of OUR ANCESTORS were saying. BY the
> time of Elis Island there were very likely beter educated people working
> the
> Ports of disembarcation. Many of My ancestors & the Childress that are
> being discused in our current Chat were in Albemarle & Amherst County Va
> over
> 125 Years before 1890, very Likely Yours were in the U.S. Many years
> before
> 1890. PLEASE where did you get lost???, CUZ, the imagrants had to be
> procesed upon Arival from the beginning, & with The Many Languages it
> would
> have been unbelievable for there not to be some MIX UP in Names & where
> the
> Many Different people were to be relocated. I would believe that ALL of
> OUR Ancestors were in the U. S. before ELLIS Island.
>
> Confussion, mistakes in Writeing in processing our newly arived
> ancestors<???> The first U. S. Census was in 1790, How many of the
> Census have you
> researched way past 1790 that the enumarator wrote so poorley that one
> can
> hardly read what they wrote. SO Ellis Island,REALY?? CUZ A T
> <atpowelljr(a)aol.com>
> Some of My ancestors were here by 1700
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/23/2010 2:48:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> fmlytracer(a)aol.com writes:
>
> Sir,
>
>
> Before the 1890's there was no Ellis Island and therefore no one at the
> port of disembarkation to mix up a name. If there was any "mixup" it was
> on
> the Ship's manifest - many which were missing.
>
>
> The issue is merely the spelling of phonetics according to the literate
> person's understanding of the illiterate person's pronunciation.
>
>
> I
>
>
> in stead of Critizing the difference in Family name spelling, on <A>
> poster, it Just as likely Got Mixed up at the Port nof disembarkation
>
> CUZ A T <_atpowelljr(a)aol.com_ (mailto:atpowelljr@aol.com) >?
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Although Wikipedia is great source, it shouldn't be relied on as a definitive source of documentation or knowledge.
Although some indentured servants were young people, many of them were legal adults over the age of 21 - case in point my ancestor Bartholomew Stovall who was about 25 when he arrived in Virginia in the late 1600's as a Quaker refugee. He only served 4 years indentureship, and either had an unknown wife and child before his servitude, or an illegitimate daughter during this period, based on deeds of gift to a young woman born before Bartholomew's marriage to Ann Burton in Henrico Co, VA.
The typical indentureship was 7 years, but could be shortened if partial passage was paid by the person or a member of their family.
Indentured servants were not allowed to marry during their servitude. However, that does not mean they didn't have children during that seven years - remember, human nature has not changed and celibacy for that length of time would challenge most humans. If a woman had a child out of wedlock (often the father was the head of household where she was living), her indentureship was extended by a year or more to compensate for her inability to work during pregnancy and until the child was weaned. The more children she had, the longer her servitude (and a reason for not knowing her name or her maiden name, and therefore a brick wall for a child if the mother was not married and there was no legal documents for her other than a ships manifest)
Indentured servants, specifically males, could have been married before their indentureships. It is possible that a young couple could have indentured themselves, but that is difficult to determine or prove since early ships manifests most often only included the names of the male passengers and not the names of women or children. Another case in point was my ancestor Rev. Lewis Latane, a French Hugenot refugee to VA in 1700 who was listed with Madame and Infante Latane - and that was probably only because he had some status as a minister.
Indentured servants should not be confused with apprentices. Apprenticeships were often for skilled trades (coopers, smiths, lawyers, merchants, etc.) while indentures were for unskilled trades such as farming. Apprentices sometimes earned a small wage and/or lived away from the master - but not always.
Indentured servants were often treated more like slaves rather than members of a household - often very poorly with little food, clothing and basic necessities often minimal. However, like slaves, they could hire themselves out on their rare days off to earn money, which often was applied toward payment and reduction of their length of service.
As slavery became more prevalent in the mid-1700's, indentureships disappeared making apprenticeships for Caucasian residents the accepted mode of learning a trade and passage passage to America.
After the Civil War, many former slave holders took their former under aged slaves as apprentices. I found several of these in a dusty corner of the Allen Co KY courthouse a few years ago. Later, apprenticeships were used for orphaned, illegitimate and poor children - a kind of welfare system in addition to the poor houses in each county - these children were often not treated well. One of my ancestors was apprenticed at the age of 5 to a neighbor, was treated very badly according to stories told by his living grandchildren, ran away at the age of 16, lying about his age, in order to join the Union Army. He served under the surname of the man whom he apprenticed with , but used his real name for other documents, census, and throughout his adulthood. Fortunately we have a pension application that provides the names of his children (he gave them odd names such as Ozias, Brantsford, & Yetman), the maiden name of his wife and the birth dates of each person - proving his alias.
Don't forget that some of our ancestors arrived on prison ships - often for what we would consider minor infractions. To be sentenced to Newgate Prison in England more times than not meant forced passage to America - whether single or married. If married, and one was shipped across the ocean, one could easily remarry without divorce or create an alias in order to start a new life - another brick wall. An ancestor of mine, Thomas Goodrum, arrived in Maryland on a prison ship in the late 1600's for possession of a stolen pewter tankard, eventually migrating to Virginia where he died estranged from his children (his will disinherits all of his children).
There is an excellent book titled "Birthright" that tells the true story of a young English boy who was heir to an Irish and English title. When he was left orphaned at a young age, his uncle kidnapped him and shipped him as an indentured servant to America in order to obtain the title and fortune for himself. This story was the basis for Robert Lewis Stevenson's "Kidnapped" and is taken from the young man's personal account and court documents after he was able to escape and stow away back to England after 10 years in America - in his attempts to regain his property and rights. If you want a true account of life as an indentured servant, including the hardships and ill treatment of these people, read the book.
Another group of books that provide a picture of our ancestral lives is the "Everyday Life" series that gives an account of daily living during various eras.
Sharon Tabor
An indentured servant was typically a young unskilled laborer who came to
America under contract to work for an employer for a fixed period of time,
typically three to seven years, in exchange for their ocean transportation,
food, clothing, lodging and other necessities during the term of their
indenture._[1]_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indentured_servant#cite_note-0)
They included men and women; most were under age 21, and most became
helpers on farms or house servants. They were not paid wages.
A fact about our Ancestors that was too often ove looked CUZ A T
CUZ, The ancestors thast are being discused in theis Childress List were
in the U S long before Ellis Island was Thought of
I can hardly believe your failure to undestand, There were ports of
disembarkation At; Jamestown & Tappahanock, va, Annapolis, Md, Chester Pa,
Willmingtopn North carolina, Balt Md. & a port of disembarkation inn New jersy,
Boston ma All of those ports had Human beings working that could barley
Read & understand Less of what Many of OUR ANCESTORS were saying. BY the
time of Elis Island there were very likely beter educated people working the
Ports of disembarcation. Many of My ancestors & the Childress that are
being discused in our current Chat were in Albemarle & Amherst County Va over
125 Years before 1890, very Likely Yours were in the U.S. Many years before
1890. PLEASE where did you get lost???, CUZ, the imagrants had to be
procesed upon Arival from the beginning, & with The Many Languages it would
have been unbelievable for there not to be some MIX UP in Names & where the
Many Different people were to be relocated. I would believe that ALL of
OUR Ancestors were in the U. S. before ELLIS Island.
Confussion, mistakes in Writeing in processing our newly arived
ancestors<???> The first U. S. Census was in 1790, How many of the Census have you
researched way past 1790 that the enumarator wrote so poorley that one can
hardly read what they wrote. SO Ellis Island,REALY?? CUZ A T
<atpowelljr(a)aol.com>
Some of My ancestors were here by 1700
In a message dated 12/23/2010 2:48:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
fmlytracer(a)aol.com writes:
Sir,
Before the 1890's there was no Ellis Island and therefore no one at the
port of disembarkation to mix up a name. If there was any "mixup" it was on
the Ship's manifest - many which were missing.
The issue is merely the spelling of phonetics according to the literate
person's understanding of the illiterate person's pronunciation.
I
in stead of Critizing the difference in Family name spelling, on <A>
poster, it Just as likely Got Mixed up at the Port nof disembarkation
CUZ A T <_atpowelljr(a)aol.com_ (mailto:atpowelljr@aol.com) >?
I have been trying to determine the parents of my ancestress, Eliza Childress who married Willis Center and walked from GA to Warren/Simpson/Allen County KY. Eliza died sometime after 1840 and Willis married Rebecca Spann in Allen County KY before 1850.
The only evidence I have of Eliza's name is from a bio of her great-nephew William A. Brown of Simpson Co KY who states his grandmother was Nancy Terrell Childress, wife of Alsey Brown. The information states Nancy was b. SC, walked to KY from GA, and her sister was married to Willis Center. Alsy Brown and many of his descendants are buried at Mt. Pleasant Methodist Church in Allen County KY near the Monroe Co KY and Macon Co TN line.
In that same bio is mention of Bartholomew Childress, their brother, who migrated to AL and served as sheriff in his county of residence.
No researcher I have found has included Nancy or Eliza as a sister to Bartholomew. One researcher stated there was a will of a William Childress who listed Bartholomew as a son, but I have been unsuccessful in finding that document and determining whether it was filed in SC or GA.
Anyone have any clues to expand what little info I have?
Thank you and Merry Christmas.
Sharon Tabor
Sir,
Before the 1890's there was no Ellis Island and therefore no one at the port of disembarkation to mix up a name. If there was any "mixup" it was on the Ship's manifest - many which were missing.
The issue is merely the spelling of phonetics according to the literate person's understanding of the illiterate person's pronunciation.
I
in stead of Critizing the difference in Family name spelling, on <A>
poster, it Just as likely Got Mixed up at the Port nof disembarkation
CUZ A T <atpowelljr(a)aol.com>?
The Mark "Childers, now decease", you have listed should properly be
spelled
Childress. He and I are cousins going proven to the gggg-grandfather
level
and that 4 great grandfather spelled wrote his name Childress on his Rev.
War Pension application. You can see how easily our "Celtic" ancestry
could
have change their name back and forth as you have. On the other hand the
more careful researchers are in the spelling the less likely to put error
on
paper that is difficult to correct down the road.
In God We Trust
J. Childress
CUZ J, Good deduction> <BUT> Childers/Childres/Childer/ How ever we
might see our Ancestroal names Nearly Spelled; I believe one of THE most
overlooked FACK by current researchers, >IS> the fact when our Ancestors Got to
America, Many years ago; they Arived Unannounced at A Port of
Disembarcation>Speaking what ever Language that they were Speaking BACK home over Yonder,
So many were sent Here & Yon, the Routers very likely did Under stand Nor
Speak many of the Languaqges of the Migrants, On top of not being
understanding the many languages, theb diferent dilects added another whole
imposiability. LIKE to day there 5 HOG, distint dilects in Va. For Instance; Dog--
in Urbanna in Middlesex County It Sounds Like, <DUG> Log, Like LUG, Hog
like HUG, In Amherst County where I was Born & Raised to 12 Years; A farmer
Said WHOA to stop his Horses, In Amelia county where We Moved in 1937,
Those Farmers Said WAYH to stop their Horse, A farm Boy in Amhert county, Va
would just as likely say carry the Hotrse to water, Say that in Russell
county, va & get Laughed at They Say Take the Horse to water, So from what OI
have leaned in My 84 Years, if it is childers, Childress or Childer/ Powell,
Powel Bacause Powell from the first Welcheman over here it was, Howell,
Some of My Ancestrol Families: Harvie to Harvey, Tomlinson to Tomlin, Wilmore
to Wilmer.
and I Post as According to MY information, I believe that the most
insulting Post to be read is <THAT IS WRONG> NOT by any means shouild one
researcher say that about anothers Information__I*nstead Your information does not
Match MINE.
The Virginia hanks Info on the Childress List has More; If's and's & might
be's than I have ever seen. I know That My 5th Great grand Aunt Susannah
Stinnett did Mary <ONE> Henry Childress in Amherst County Va As another
Henry Childress Did Marry one Susanah Goolsby,m & more than Likely those TWO
Henry Childress's were First Cousins, CUZ, That is why I say that <IT JUST
CAIN'T BE> Has NO PLACE in Genealogical Research,
OH HOW great for the improvement in Records, BUT it is grossley incorrect
to Attempt to use todays Technology, in place of the Bits of Information
that one finds of the 1770 Information. Inmy opinion, Another Gross mis
conception, Is the Mindset about records:This isb not Personal opinion, BUt
there is not any record any where of anything but what it came from a HUMan
mind, and that is what Baffels me, when i hear, oh I do not accept any thing
but an offical record
CUZ, every Offical record At one time was recorded from a Human MIND, no
exceptings.
in stead of Critizing the difference in Family name spelling, on <A>
poster, it Just as likely Got Mixed up at the Port nof disembarkation
CUZ A T <atpowelljr(a)aol.com>?
Prior to Noah Webster and his dictionary's published in 1806-1843, and the public school system, there was little consistency in spelling of names and words. Many times a name or word would be spelled multiple ways in the same document. Childers, Childress, Childres, etc. all acceptable for the same person. I have one ancestor who's surname was spelled Scenter, Senter and Sentell in the same deed.
When people could not read and write, they could not spell their names and whoever was writing the document spelled it as it sounded (ex: White could easily become Watt or Wyatt depending on one's regional dialect) or as it was spelled in their country of origin (ie. Smith, Smythe)
Name spelling on a family tree is the least of a genealogist's worry's in recording their history - it's knowing the different spellings of the same name that is more important in finding the ancestor. Looking for a particular spelling can result in many lost years of research when the answer could be in front of you the entire time. I learned this lesson when researching my Strait ancestors. Until I started looking for phonetic spellings, I kept finding brick walls. When I started expanding my research to Strait, Straight, Strate, etc, I started finding answers. Same person, just spelled differently depending on location and person recording the information. My Tabor surname is found as Tabor, Taber, Tabour, Taybour, Taybor which often becomes Taylor, Talor or Taler if someone has transcribed a document and is unfamiliar with the name.
Don't get hung up on spelling. It a mute point prior to the 1850's.
Sharon Tabor
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From: J or Carolyn Childress <tndrjay(a)charter.net>
To: childress(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Wed, Dec 22, 2010 10:51 am
Subject: Re: [CHILDRESS] SEE I Told ya neva use, IT JUST CAIN'T BE>
The Mark "Childers, now decease", you have listed should properly be spelled
Childress. He and I are cousins going proven to the gggg-grandfather level
and that 4 great grandfather spelled wrote his name Childress on his Rev.
War Pension application. You can see how easily our "Celtic" ancestry could
have change their name back and forth as you have. On the other hand the
more careful researchers are in the spelling the less likely to put error on
paper that is difficult to correct down the road.
In God We Trust
J. Childress
----- Original Message -----
From: <Atpowelljr(a)aol.com>
To: <childress(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 2:58 AM
Subject: [CHILDRESS] SEE I Told ya neva use, IT JUST CAIN'T BE>
> third source information provided by the above Virginia Hanks dec 2007:
> " 'from Mark Childers, now deceased, in 2005, I read this twister:
> Marjory (Powell) Childers/Childress was a first cousin by marriage to her
> husband John Childers, Sr. Marjory's father, militia Captain Thomas
> Powell,
> Sr. was an uncle to Edmund Powell of Amherst Co., VA. Edmund Powell's
> wife
> was
> Lucy Jopling whose sister Ann Jopling was married to Benjamin Childers,
> Sr.,
> the younger brother of Marjory's husband John Childers. Both the Powells
> and
> Joplings were of Welsh descent.' "
>
> These are My powell family ancestors CUZ A T <atpowelljr(a)aol.com>
>
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The Mark "Childers, now decease", you have listed should properly be spelled
Childress. He and I are cousins going proven to the gggg-grandfather level
and that 4 great grandfather spelled wrote his name Childress on his Rev.
War Pension application. You can see how easily our "Celtic" ancestry could
have change their name back and forth as you have. On the other hand the
more careful researchers are in the spelling the less likely to put error on
paper that is difficult to correct down the road.
In God We Trust
J. Childress
----- Original Message -----
From: <Atpowelljr(a)aol.com>
To: <childress(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 2:58 AM
Subject: [CHILDRESS] SEE I Told ya neva use, IT JUST CAIN'T BE>
> third source information provided by the above Virginia Hanks dec 2007:
> " 'from Mark Childers, now deceased, in 2005, I read this twister:
> Marjory (Powell) Childers/Childress was a first cousin by marriage to her
> husband John Childers, Sr. Marjory's father, militia Captain Thomas
> Powell,
> Sr. was an uncle to Edmund Powell of Amherst Co., VA. Edmund Powell's
> wife
> was
> Lucy Jopling whose sister Ann Jopling was married to Benjamin Childers,
> Sr.,
> the younger brother of Marjory's husband John Childers. Both the Powells
> and
> Joplings were of Welsh descent.' "
>
> These are My powell family ancestors CUZ A T <atpowelljr(a)aol.com>
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More Powell and Childers
Mathew Tucker (cir 1725-1796) married 22 Jan 1748 Albemarle, Lucretia
CHILDERS (cir 1732-bef 1787 Amherst) dtr of Abraham Childers (cir
1681-1763) & Elizabeth Cannon.
their son: Rev. John Tucker m 5 Dec 1778 Amherst Co., Va. to Rhoda
POWELL, dtr of Richard & Eliza Powell & a sister of Edmund Powell m Lucy
JOPLIN.
Rev. John Tucker & his wife Rhoda (Powell) Tucker were horribly murdered
by Indians in Lincoln Co., Ky. in 1793.
Lincoln Co., Ky. Records (please note that daughter Frances had not been
born when Rev. John Tucker wrote this will.
Lincoln Co., Ky. Bk B, pg 74
Will of John Tucker (from an abstract)
written: 9 Aug 1790
probated __ (between July 1792 & Oct 1794)
Wife (not named)
My 5 children (not named)
Exors: Edmund Powell, William Patton & Wife
Witt: John Deaver, Mary Patton, Sarah Colpin (Jolpin)
Proved by: John Deaver & Sarah Jolpin
Appointed Exors: Edmund Powell** & William Patton
Bk B, pg 139
Inventory of John Tucker (from an abstract)
Total Value: L66.7s.od
Appraisers: Robt Barnett, Benj. Briggs. James Dooley.
The children named in the guardian papers: Mathew, Edmund, Clarinda,
James Hall, Polly & Frances Powell.
**Edmund Powell died in Lincoln Co., Ky. in 1825
The following were all written many many years after the massacre - the
facts differ, as you might suppose from passed down family stories, but
the theme is the same:
Rev. John (an early Methodist-Episcopal Minister) & Rhoda (Powell)
Tucker moved to Lincoln Co., Ky. cir 1789. In 1793, John & Rhoda were
strolling outside their home & were murdered by Indians during an attack
on their house. A negro man, Stepny, escaped with the children &
remained in the cane til the next day; one child, an infant, seemed to
know by instinct it's situation & was perfectly quiet the entire time.
The children were taken & reared by different parties. [Kentucky
Genealogy & Biography -Bio for Dewitt Clinton Tucker]
Note: "History of Kentucky Methodists" has a slightly different version
of the murder of Rev. John & Rhoda (Powell) Tucker.
HISTORY OF KENTUCKY, by Lewis Collins, and J.A. & U.P. James, published
1847. Reprinted by Henry Clay Press, Lexington, Ky., 1968, p. 231 =
Colonel WILLIAM CASEY, in honor of whom this county received its name,
was a native of Frederick county, Virginia. In company with two or three
families, he removed to Kentucky in the early part of the winter of
1779-80; and during the intensely cold weather of that memorable winter,
lived in a camp on the Hanging fork of Dick's river. He remained there
until the year 1791; when under the influence of that spirit of
adventure and change which marked the era in which he lived, he struck
his tent, and removed to Russell's creek, a tributary of Green river.
Here, at a distance of fifty miles from any white settlement, in
conjunction with several families who pushed their fortunes with him, he
located and built a station. Though feeble in numbers, the hardy band of
pioneers by whom he was surrounded, and who reposed in him unbounded
confidence as a leader, maintained themselves, gallantly and
victoriously, against several attacks of the Indians. His station was
subsequently reinforced by several families, whose presence was
instrumental in preventing any further assault on the part of the
Indians. In one of the incursions, however, of a small band of savages,
Rev. John Tucker, a Methodist preacher, together with his wife, were
cruelly murdered.
Kentucky Genealogy and Biography Volume 5, Kentucky: A History of the
State by Battle - Perrin - Kniffin, 4th edition 1886.
Marion County:
Mrs. Virginia Owsley - was born June 1, 1835; her grandfather,
John Tucker, was a native of the Old Dominion, was a noted divine of the
Methodist Church, and was one of the pioneer ministers of Kentucky, and
he and wife were murdered at Fort Columbia by the Indians. His family
consisted of two sons and two daughters, among whom was James H., the
father of Mrs. Virginia Owsley.
James H. Tucker was born January 15, 1788, and married Nancy Kennett of
Marion County, and to them were born twelve children; of that number six
are living - John H., Elizabeth (Avritt), Rhoda (Yowell), Dr. James H.,
Dr. D. C., and Mrs. Virginia Owsley. Nancy Kennett was born January 31,
1791, and died March 23, 1856. James H. Tucker during his lifetime
followed the pursuits of the farm. He was a man of undoubted integrity
and sterling worth, and held the esteem of all who knew him, in token of
which he held the office of magistrate in his county for many years; his
death occurred in 1871. Mrs. Virginia Owsley, a nation of Marion
County, has been twice married, first in 1854 to Leonard Taylor. This
union was blessed by the birth of five sons: James H., Albert C., DeWitt
C., John and Leonard. Mr. Taylor died in 1865. He was a farmer, was one
of the landed proprietors of Boyle County, and left a neat fortune to
his children. His father, Henly Taylor, owned a large estate in Marion
County, and was one of its magistrates for many years. He reared a
family of twelve children, of whom one son (John) is the only survivor.
Mrs. Virginia's second marriage took place in 1871, with Lucien C.
Owsley, a native of Alabama, and to this marriage is born one son,
William. Mrs. Owsley is the owner of a neat farm of excellent land
lying at the confluence of the north and south branches of Rolling Fork
River in Marion County, where she was born. She has been a life-long
member of the Methodist Church.
~~
Samuel Avritt, attorney at law, was born in 1842, and is the
third of eight children born to John and Elizabeth M. (Tucker) Avritt.
His grandfather, John Avritt, came from Virginia in boyhood and settled
in Marion County (then Washington), married a Virginia lady named
Vaughn, and reared a large family of children, John Avritt, Jr., being
among the younger. The latter with his wife, Elizabeth Avritt, nee
Tucker, came from Virginia to Kentucky in the pioneer days, the
grandfather, John H. Tucker, being a minister, and both he and his wife
were killed by Indians in Fort Tucker, Adair County. John and Elizabeth
Avritt reared a family of eight children, all of whom are living in
Marion County. Samuel Avritt, a native of Marion County, was educated at
St. Mary's College, and entered upon the study of law at the age of
twenty-one under the tutorship of Gov. Proctor Knott; was admitted to
practice in the year 1865, since which time he has been a member of the
Lebanon bar, taking front rank as a lawyer. George C. Avritt, a younger
brother of Samuel, is also a member of the Lebanon bar, having been in
practice since 1870. In 1868 Samuel Avritt married Miss Mary, daughter
of J.G. Phillips, Sr., and has one daughter, Laura E. Avritt.
On 12/22/2010 2:58 AM, Atpowelljr(a)aol.com wrote:
> third source information provided by the above Virginia Hanks dec 2007:
> " 'from Mark Childers, now deceased, in 2005, I read this twister:
> Marjory (Powell) Childers/Childress was a first cousin by marriage to her
> husband John Childers, Sr. Marjory's father, militia Captain Thomas Powell,
> Sr. was an uncle to Edmund Powell of Amherst Co., VA. Edmund Powell's wife
> was
> Lucy Jopling whose sister Ann Jopling was married to Benjamin Childers,
> Sr.,
> the younger brother of Marjory's husband John Childers. Both the Powells
> and
> Joplings were of Welsh descent.' "
>
> These are My powell family ancestors CUZ A T<atpowelljr(a)aol.com>
>
third source information provided by the above Virginia Hanks dec 2007:
" 'from Mark Childers, now deceased, in 2005, I read this twister:
Marjory (Powell) Childers/Childress was a first cousin by marriage to her
husband John Childers, Sr. Marjory's father, militia Captain Thomas Powell,
Sr. was an uncle to Edmund Powell of Amherst Co., VA. Edmund Powell's wife
was
Lucy Jopling whose sister Ann Jopling was married to Benjamin Childers,
Sr.,
the younger brother of Marjory's husband John Childers. Both the Powells
and
Joplings were of Welsh descent.' "
These are My powell family ancestors CUZ A T <atpowelljr(a)aol.com>
CUZ, One thing that those Ancestoral Grannys were Famous for, Patch work
quilts, I am more Convinced that that is the best way forn us to compile our
Genealogical Connections, Piece BY Piece, & then COMPARE. That is Why I
like to know My cousins gegorphical Location As Well as their Genealogical
Location.
AS for Me, CUZ A T; I spent 45 years driving a truck through 47 of our
states & 5 Provences in Southern Cann. If my cousins Live there I have probly
been Close, But come March 6 2010 i wil be 85 with no more chance of
getting around again, to those Hundreds of Court houses with the family
information <BUT> by knoweing the Location of My cousins
Guessv what, I have an inside Chance that Some one will be living Near
Most any plasce that an Ancestor Might have relocated. Leadind Meb to
beliebve that ONE OF THE greatest Research Tools is a Good Memory & Personal
Records, The Big wish that I have is that I was still able to Work the VA
State Library Here in Richmond, Va. To help My Many Family Genealogists,
Cousins
In a message dated 12/20/2010 8:15:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rabc123(a)scottsboro.org writes:
The LDS info on Mitchell Childress is incomplete as it does not show all
the children mentioned in his Will made in his golden years......i.e., the
LDS info does not include his son, John Childress who happens to be my
ancestor. Also, what I need is the parents of Mitchell Childress, Sr. I
have his children from his Will and estate settlement in Knox Co, TN, in
1844. Thanks for sharing.
Ann B. Chambless
The following logic of the previous poster does not prevail.
Cousins! The SUBJECT LINE in this post Tends to bcarry More TRUTH than
all other Genealogical Connections one might imagine.
there has been more Childress Family information on This List in the Last
week, Since I, Started describeing OUR Stinnett/ Childress Family
connection Than there has Been in the Several Years that I have been a subscriber,
Great; Double Great; and it was brought about BY; <ASKING & ANSWERING
QUESTIONS>
ONE BIG thing to remember about GENEALOGY, A misqoute Will get a reply 10
times quicker than a Correct Statement, Thanks for the Remark about Grannys
Maiden NAME.
CUZ, I may not by any means be the # one genealogist, But My <ASK & ANSWER
QUESTIONS SOME ONE KNOWS>, I thank those with Genealogical Information
Comeing foward That was THE REASON for these Family lists in the first place,
THANKS Again.
Please rember; Lets Compare & Share Family information.
CUZ A T _atpowelljr(a)aol.com_ (mailto:atpowelljr@aol.com)
A great resource on this subject, as well as many other social customs of our ancestors who came from the British Isles, is "Albion's Seed," by David Hackett Fisher. It's an informative -- and enjoyable -- read!
Jean Speadlin-Miller
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Reply-To: childress(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CHILDRESS] I believe that the Childress were from the British ILES
ALSO
Campbell Child Naming Practices
In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, both the Scots and the Irish
had a frequently used scheme for child naming. The first born male child
was normally named after the paternal grandfather; likewise, the first borne
female child was named after the maternal grandmother. The second borne
male child was named after the maternal grandfather and the second borne female
child was named after the paternal grandmother. Only with the third born
son and daughter, did you use the names of the parents, if those names
differed from those of the grandparents. In many but not all cases, this naming
scheme seems to have been used by the Southwest Virginia Campbell families
that are discussed at this web site.
Perhapps you did not find many of your Family with the same first & last
Name, <BUT> there are listed in the <L. D. S. postings 61 John Childress's
living in Va from 1674 to 1912.
What brought the Child nameing Practice in to question was the apearent
wonderment of so many, John Childress in Albemarle & Amherst County Virginia,
The logical reason fot so many same First & Last Names was Because those
people were given those names at Birth for a Reason.
Cousins, what & how OUR Ancestors did OR might have done 200 years ago
and todays, practice are so different, Our ancestors never gave the first
thought as to what kind of Genealogical Brick wall they might creat for
their descendants?
As an example; One of My 5th great Grand Fathers was ONE, George Campbell
Married to Catherine <UNK><Unknown> <??> Granny was born in 1725 in 285
Years our Campbell family researchers have not found a maiden name for grany:
<??> Nor a marriage record: NOW, the only logical deduction is that as
Indian women had only one name & that white & People of Color were not permited
to mary in Va untill 1969, THIS info is from a U. S. Supreem Court
decisson in A case from a Afro-American Woman & white man marrying in Caroline
county Va.
SO, every thing points to Granny being A Native American, <??> and with so
many of the Va. Counties records having been destroyed From 1861 to 1865
________________WE will have to do like the Man across the river, <YEA>
thats right, do with out complete records.
I under stand about the First Born Being given a name & dieing, & the
Sibling being given the same name, <BUT> when so many of the same first & last
names in Grown people, CUZ they all did not DIE, one thing that is not
listed in the records is the <NICK NAME> that these same named family Members
were I. D-ed by,The NICK Names, were NOT registered at the Court house.
I will be 85 in March & was Born & raised in Amherst County, Va.Just
wondering, How much do y;ALL know about the Mountian Country, CUZ these
Powell's were living in Amherst County, VA. right across PINEY River from Nelson
County at the same time that those Waltons were raised in Nelson County,
Va.
NOW, Here is a Bit that only a native of this area will know; OUR mountian
people did not then, nor do they NOW Trust Government People OR Strangers.
In Amherst & Nelson Counties There are So many George's in the Campbell
families that they Have A George Reunion The same goes for the Name of BUCK,
yep there is A Buck reunion, One of My Cousins, was named Pearl Buck
Campbell. One of Cousin Pearl Bucks great grand daughters is related to me
through 4 families OH yes em Mountian Cousins Show nuff did Marry in to their
families. My Mothers parents were third cousins.
I believe if Y,ALL would go back & take a good look see, instead thinking
that those same named Ancestors, came fron one being named in place of one
that died, SEEK some Family records & check for NICK Names.
A bit of Childress Family information; from the first Amherst County
Heritage Book; Page 34; These Childress Men were in the REV WAR;
Abraham, 2 Benjamin's, & 2 John Childress's are listed.
Again, the Amherst County Heritage Book/ Page 77, In the Richard & Sallie
Thomas Beard Family.Mary Lou Beard Married John Childress & They Moved to
Lynchburg, Va Where they were Living in 2000.
Amherst County Heritage Book Page 136: William Hatcher Foster family
Story:
Day Worsham Born 15 Dec. 1946 married David Childress
Further in the Heritage Book; Page,158, Absalom Higginbotham, Sr. was
born 2 May 1781, & died 7 July 1866 on the same farm as his Father , Aron Jr.
he was married to Mary C.Sandidge, Daughter of BenjaminSandidge &
Elizabeth Childress
There is a Second Amherst County Hertiage Book That has the Childress Name
mentioned 9 times, I bgelieve that the 2nd Book is still available
CUZ A T _atpowlljr(a)aol.com_ (mailto:atpowlljr@aol.com)
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I have a Mitchell Allen Childress born 1860 in Henrico County, Va. I have for many years wondered about your Mitchell and the others to see if my Mitchell is named after the others. His Father Joseph L. Childress and Elizabeth Childress. (double line) Both trace back to Alexander Childress born 1751 in Henrico County, Va. I have been unable to locate Alex. parents. I can't prove it but think that Joseph Childress is the brother of Alexander and that some how they connect to Abraham Childress of Henrico County, Va. the Curles. I can trace the property that they all lived on in Henrico but not the other. Marie Jennings
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To: childress(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 3:01 am
Subject: CHILDRESS Digest, Vol 5, Issue 23
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Naming Patterns (Sara Binkley Tarpley)
2. MITCHELL CHILDRESS, SR. (born 1753 in Henrico Co, VA, died
1844 in Knox Co, TN) (Ann B. Chambless)
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rom: Sara Binkley Tarpley <sarabtarpley(a)gmail.com>
ubject: Re: [CHILDRESS] Naming Patterns
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Sharon,
I agree. I have never found them in any of my ancestries, not even among my
erman speaking Swiss ancestors.
Sara
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 12:39 PM, <fmlytracer(a)aol.com> wrote:
> Naming patterns weren't absolute. The naming patterns you mention are a
guideline, not a rule.
Not all families followed these naming patterns.
Sharon Tabor
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ate: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 15:32:51 -0600
rom: "Ann B. Chambless" <rabc123(a)scottsboro.org>
ubject: [CHILDRESS] MITCHELL CHILDRESS, SR. (born 1753 in Henrico Co,
VA, died 1844 in Knox Co, TN)
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I am still searching for the parents of Mitchell Childress, Sr.
1753-1844) who married first Hannah Webb (daughter of John and Ustley
ebb) in Amherst County, VA. Hannah was the mother of his children.
am not satisfied with the lineage that has previously been suggested
o me, so I keep searching and reading the Wills and mid-18th century
irginia deeds and other court documents for new clues.
itchell Childress, Sr. stated in his Rev. War pension application that
e married in Amherst Co, VA, and moved shortly thereafter to NC. His
ldest child, Mitchell Childress, Jr., was born circa 1769 (possibly in
eorgia). Mitchell, Sr.'s pension application shows that he and Hannah
ere in Georgia for a short time circa 1769. They moved back to Wilkes
o, NC, where they lived during the Revolutionary War, as did her
arents. Mitchell Childress, Sr. moved his family to East Tennessee
bout 1793, and he lived the rest of his life in Knox County, TN, where
e died in 1844.
UESTION: Which Childress male (living in Amherst Co, VA in 1753)
ould have been the right age to be father of Mitchell Childress, Sr. at
ime of Mitchell's birth in 1753????
nn B. Chambless
cottsboro, AL 35769
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Campbell Child Naming Practices
In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, both the Scots and the Irish
had a frequently used scheme for child naming. The first born male child
was normally named after the paternal grandfather; likewise, the first borne
female child was named after the maternal grandmother. The second borne
male child was named after the maternal grandfather and the second borne female
child was named after the paternal grandmother. Only with the third born
son and daughter, did you use the names of the parents, if those names
differed from those of the grandparents. In many but not all cases, this naming
scheme seems to have been used by the Southwest Virginia Campbell families
that are discussed at this web site.
Perhapps you did not find many of your Family with the same first & last
Name, <BUT> there are listed in the <L. D. S. postings 61 John Childress's
living in Va from 1674 to 1912.
What brought the Child nameing Practice in to question was the apearent
wonderment of so many, John Childress in Albemarle & Amherst County Virginia,
The logical reason fot so many same First & Last Names was Because those
people were given those names at Birth for a Reason.
Cousins, what & how OUR Ancestors did OR might have done 200 years ago
and todays, practice are so different, Our ancestors never gave the first
thought as to what kind of Genealogical Brick wall they might creat for
their descendants?
As an example; One of My 5th great Grand Fathers was ONE, George Campbell
Married to Catherine <UNK><Unknown> <??> Granny was born in 1725 in 285
Years our Campbell family researchers have not found a maiden name for grany:
<??> Nor a marriage record: NOW, the only logical deduction is that as
Indian women had only one name & that white & People of Color were not permited
to mary in Va untill 1969, THIS info is from a U. S. Supreem Court
decisson in A case from a Afro-American Woman & white man marrying in Caroline
county Va.
SO, every thing points to Granny being A Native American, <??> and with so
many of the Va. Counties records having been destroyed From 1861 to 1865
________________WE will have to do like the Man across the river, <YEA>
thats right, do with out complete records.
I under stand about the First Born Being given a name & dieing, & the
Sibling being given the same name, <BUT> when so many of the same first & last
names in Grown people, CUZ they all did not DIE, one thing that is not
listed in the records is the <NICK NAME> that these same named family Members
were I. D-ed by,The NICK Names, were NOT registered at the Court house.
I will be 85 in March & was Born & raised in Amherst County, Va.Just
wondering, How much do y;ALL know about the Mountian Country, CUZ these
Powell's were living in Amherst County, VA. right across PINEY River from Nelson
County at the same time that those Waltons were raised in Nelson County,
Va.
NOW, Here is a Bit that only a native of this area will know; OUR mountian
people did not then, nor do they NOW Trust Government People OR Strangers.
In Amherst & Nelson Counties There are So many George's in the Campbell
families that they Have A George Reunion The same goes for the Name of BUCK,
yep there is A Buck reunion, One of My Cousins, was named Pearl Buck
Campbell. One of Cousin Pearl Bucks great grand daughters is related to me
through 4 families OH yes em Mountian Cousins Show nuff did Marry in to their
families. My Mothers parents were third cousins.
I believe if Y,ALL would go back & take a good look see, instead thinking
that those same named Ancestors, came fron one being named in place of one
that died, SEEK some Family records & check for NICK Names.
A bit of Childress Family information; from the first Amherst County
Heritage Book; Page 34; These Childress Men were in the REV WAR;
Abraham, 2 Benjamin's, & 2 John Childress's are listed.
Again, the Amherst County Heritage Book/ Page 77, In the Richard & Sallie
Thomas Beard Family.Mary Lou Beard Married John Childress & They Moved to
Lynchburg, Va Where they were Living in 2000.
Amherst County Heritage Book Page 136: William Hatcher Foster family
Story:
Day Worsham Born 15 Dec. 1946 married David Childress
Further in the Heritage Book; Page,158, Absalom Higginbotham, Sr. was
born 2 May 1781, & died 7 July 1866 on the same farm as his Father , Aron Jr.
he was married to Mary C.Sandidge, Daughter of BenjaminSandidge &
Elizabeth Childress
There is a Second Amherst County Hertiage Book That has the Childress Name
mentioned 9 times, I bgelieve that the 2nd Book is still available
CUZ A T _atpowlljr(a)aol.com_ (mailto:atpowlljr@aol.com)