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Sorry, can't help you on the tin pictures. Have a good day!
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From: <Richard880(a)aol.com>
To: <CHILDRESS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:34 PM
Subject: [Childress-L] Old Tin Picture Care
> Is anyone out there familiar with ways to preserve old tintype photos. I
> have one in fair condition, you can still make out the people, but the
> back and
> edges are rusted. Any ideas would appreciated.
> Thanks in advance,
> Richard Childers
>
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The best thing to do is nothing, yourself anyway, take it to a professional.
There are many shops that deal with photo restoration Unless you are
experienced in the area of photo restoration. There is no easy home remedy for a
quick fix.
Indiana Jack
I'd say talk to Universities and Museums for their referral to experts.
UC Berkeley is a starting place.
http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/preservation/resources.html
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Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 7:35 PM
To: CHILDRESS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [Childress-L] Old Tin Picture Care
Is anyone out there familiar with ways to preserve old tintype photos.
I
have one in fair condition, you can still make out the people, but the
back and
edges are rusted. Any ideas would appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Richard Childers
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Is anyone out there familiar with ways to preserve old tintype photos. I
have one in fair condition, you can still make out the people, but the back and
edges are rusted. Any ideas would appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Richard Childers
You write: "How does a person find out which DNA grouping they belong to
if there are no known male descendents since 1845?"
Answer. Maybe you won't find out which DNA grouping you belong to. You
have to find a branch of your family that has living male descendants
and carries the Childress/Childers etc surname. In your case you would
have to find Pre-1845 cousins who have living descendants today. You'd
have to find a brother or uncle or cousin of your 1845 ancestor and
track down their modern male descendants. Alternatively, you must wait
for someone to eventually surface who claims to attach to your 1845, or
pre-1845 ancestors.
You write: "Also, what is the Childress Celtic only list?"
Answer. Back in 1998 and earlier there were several forums to post
Childers/Childress/Child/Childrey research. There was the "Childers
Genforum (now bought up by Genealogy.com)". There was the companion
"Childress Genforum". There were Ancestry.com bulletin boards, the AOL
genealogy forum, and Rootsweb. In 1998, Rootsweb had only one list, a
"Childers" mail list for all similar sounding "Child***" surnames. There
was no distinction between the various forums or the various spellings.
They were interchangeable. The prevailing opinion in 1998 was that
everybody was part of one big extended family. That was not our opinion.
Rootsweb required that for the listowners to form a new Rootsweb mail
list, the new mail list had to do something that was not already
available. A new Rootsweb list had to be different than existing
Rootsweb lists and the Rootsweb "CHILDERS" mail list already took
postings on all spellings and surnames that had the root "Child" in the
surname....so...The listowners formed a narrowly focused "Childress"
list which originally was described as being for those lineages whose
ancestors signed their name "Childress" and were "Scottish"...which was
the distinction that best described Celtic lineage back then. After DNA
became available the "Childress spelling" was replaced with "Celtic" in
the list's description.
This list was specifically created with the intent to allow for the
discussion and research into the different origins among
Childers/Childress/Child/Childrey lineages, with an emphasis on the
Celtic lineages. The listowners are trying to identify and separate the
Celtic-R1b records from other records. In so doing we identify
Viking-Ia1 and other DNA lineages and tend to attract non-Celtic
researchers who are helpful. But all Celtic, Viking, Eurasian,
Mediterranean and other DNA Childers/Childress/etc. lineages are posted
here and a growing number of people now accept that there are different
DNA gene pools, separate records and different historical journeys for
various Childers/Childress/Child/Childrey lineages.
Regards - - - Gary Childress
-----Original Message-----
From: Amee duMotier [mailto:a_dumotier@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 9:13 PM
To: CHILDRESS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [Childress-L] VIKING-CELTIC DESIGNATION.......DNA TESTS.
To anyone who has the answer that will help me.
How does a person find out which DNA grouping they belong to if there
are no
known male descendents since 1845? and I have not been able to prove my
lineage past 1800. This is my dilemma.
Also, what is the Childress Celtic only list? My Childress/Childers
ancestors switch back and forth between Childress and Childers as their
surname. The latest proven generation 1845 uses the Childress surname.
Some of the siblings in this group also use the Childers surname.
Thank you in advance for any help with solving this problem.
Aimee'
To anyone who has the answer that will help me.
How does a person find out which DNA grouping they belong to if there are no
known male descendents since 1845? and I have not been able to prove my
lineage past 1800. This is my dilemma.
Also, what is the Childress Celtic only list? My Childress/Childers
ancestors switch back and forth between Childress and Childers as their
surname. The latest proven generation 1845 uses the Childress surname.
Some of the siblings in this group also use the Childers surname.
Thank you in advance for any help with solving this problem.
Aimee'
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To Mark and Gary - You have done some extensive work on Henry of
Lunenburg thus I am seeking your opinion of the following.
I have also posted this to the Childress Research group.
The state of Virginia issued hundreds upon hundreds of patents on 10 Sep
1755, a sizable portion in Lunenburg. One massive series of land grants.
On that day, 10 Sep 1755 - Charles Talbot received several patents for
land in Lunenburg (Book 31) - among the calls were adj Jones and Reed.
In Jan 1756 - Henry Childers (Mary Farmer) of Chesterfield purchased
from Charles Talbot 600 acres on the great branch adj Jones and Reed.
In Oct 1759, Henry and Mary Childers of Lunenburg sold to John Rutledge
of Prince Edward ,200 acres bounded by Jones, Read and Farmer, mention
is made that the land had been acquired by patent of 10 Sep 1755. BUT
this seems to refer to be the PATENT of CHARLES TALBOT on 10 Sep 1755.
The patent on 10 Sep 1755 - far away in Albemarle (that became Fluvanna)
to "a" Henry Childers for 50 acres has nothing to do with the Lunenburg
Henry.
This Henry of Albemarle could be Susanna Goolsby's Henry - the Goolsby
home was nearby.
Alas, the Albemarle Deed Books 1752-1757 were destroyed & that is one we
need. The first deed book 1744-1747 is also gone. I am in the process
of running the titles to the adjoining lands before and after the
destroyed dates.
Your thoughts would be most appreciated.
rene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Trott [mailto:WTROTT@houston.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2006 11:14 AM
To: CHILDRESS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Still searching for ancestors of Reps Osborn Childress Sr.
Bill Trott
Pasadena, TX
>
I noticed in one of the posting a Edward Bennett. Does anyone know who this is? My Alexander Childress that I do not know the parents of married Mrs. Temprence Bennett 11-8-1817 I beleive this was the second marriage for both of them.
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Dear List,
While I haven=92t been able to get much response to what I have posted to=
the=20
list, someone did provide me with a copy of Dennstedt=92s work. After re=
ading=20
through the appropriate sections, I think it is time to make some comment=
s.
Stripped of all the assumptions and inserted conclusions the data beginni=
ng=20
with Henry Childers, who married Lucretia Jones, from Dennstedt is as=20
follows:
Henry Childers, who married Lucretia Jones, made his will on 16 May 1727.=
=20
He gave to son Thomas the 50 acres on which he was living. To each daught=
er,=20
Lucretia, Anne, Martha Jones and Millesent Childers, one shilling, and=20
divided the rest of the estate between his two underage sons Thomas and=20
Henry. If either died the other was to have his share and if both sons di=
ed=20
the girls were to divide the estate, The balance of the estate was given=
to=20
his wife Lucretia. Witnesses were Abraham Childers (Iris brother), Josep=
h=20
Adkins (his half-brother) and Edward Bennet. The will was proved and=20
recorded 4 Sept 1727. {Henrico Co., Va., Record Bk. 1725-37, pp. 131-32}
Henry Childers of Skin Quarter Creek. The data from Dennstedt that can b=
e=20
attributed to him include only the following:
1) At June Court 1738 Henry Childress purchased from Edward Haskins and a=
t=20
August Court 1743 Henry Childers and Thomas Williamson purchased land fro=
m=20
Haskins.{Weisigor, Henrico County, Virginia, Deeds, 1737-1750, pp. 71, 90=
}
2) On 18 Oct. 1753 Henry Childers of Chesterfield County sold to Robert=20
Hancock of Cumberland County for =A390 200 acres in Chesterfield on=20
Skinquarter Creek, part of a patent to Edward Haskins dated 28 Sept. 1730=
=20
and bounded by William Bass; William Bass and Richard Sims. Witnesses wer=
e=20
Charles Haskins, William Marshall and Geo. Hancock. Mary Childers release=
d=20
her right of dower and the deed was recorded 3 May 1755. {Chesterfield Co=
.,=20
Va., Deed 2, pp. 152-53}
The data from Dennstedt that can be attributed to Henry Childers who marr=
ied=20
Mary Farmer include only the following:
1) At some point Henry Childas and John Farmer had purchased land in=20
Lunenburg County from Josias Dixon for on 21 Nov. 1753, both residing in=20
Chesterfield County, they sold 423 acres to Charles Talbot of Cumberland=20
Parish, Lunenburg County, for =A350. Witnesses were John and Joel Towns =
and=20
Benjamin Farmer and the deed was recorded 1 June 1756. {Lunenburg Co., Va=
.,=20
Deed Bk. 4, pp. 256-57}
2) In Jan. 1756 Henry Childers purchased from Charles Talbot of Bedford=20
County for =A3140 600 acres in Lunenburg County on the great branch, Jone=
s and=20
Farmer's lines. Witnesses were Samuel Perrin, Henry Isbell and Richard=20
Jones. Drusella, wife of Charles Talbot, released her dower right and the=
=20
deed was recorded 1 June 1756. {Lunenburg Co., Va., Deed Bk. 4, p. 259}
3) On 16 Jan. 1759 John Farmer of Cornwall Parish, Lunenburg County, gave=
=20
with "Natural Love and Effection" which he "bear unto my Son in Law Henry=
=20
Childress of the same Parish and County" a Negro named Hannah. Witnesses=20
were Stephen Bedford, John Childtess and Benjamin Farmer. The deed was=20
recorded 7 Aug. 1759. {Lunenburg Co., Va., Deed Bk, 5, p. 136}
4) On 1 Oct. 1759 Henry Childers of Lunenburg County sold to John Rutledg=
e=20
of Prince Edward County for =A340 200 acres bounded by Jones, Read and Fa=
rmer.=20
Witnesses were John Farmer, John Childers and William Mulling. Mary=20
released her dower rights and the deed was recorded 2 Oct. 1759. {Lunenbu=
rg=20
Co., Va., Deed Bk. 5, pp. 467-68}
5) Although this deed mentions a patent dated 10 Sept. 1755, the patent o=
f=20
that date granted Henry Childers was for 50 acres in Albemarle County on =
the=20
north side of Fluvanna River on Mullanax Creek. {Virginia Patent Bk. 31, =
pp.=20
643-44}
6) Henry Childers of Cornwall Parish, Lunenburg County made his will on 1=
=20
Dec. 1760. He gave to his wife Mary for life or widowhood the home and=20
plantation of 200 acres bounded by Farmer and Paul Carrington. She was al=
so=20
to have the Negro girl Hanah and all of his personal estate. To son John =
he=20
gave his grey mare, saddle and bridle, "which I usually ride," after the=20
death or marriage of his wife, to son Henry the home plantation after Mar=
y's=20
death or marriage, and to son Thomas the remaining 200 acres. After Mary'=
s=20
death or marriage anything left was to be equally divided among all the=20
children, named as John, Lueresha, Phebia, Anne, Henry, Thomas, Millecent=
,=20
Mary, Godfrey, Sarah and David. His friend Paul Carrington was to be=20
executor. Witnesses were William Goon, Thomas Rutledge and William=20
Mullings. The will was proved 3 March 1761. { Lunenburg Co., Va., Will B=
k.=20
1, pp. 328-29}
Analysis
A good case was made that Henry Childers of Skin Quarter Creek was likely=
=20
Henry Jr., son of Henry and Lucretia (Jones) Childers in the section on=20
Henry Childers, Sr. But that is the only conclusion supported by the dat=
a=20
cited. In particular,
Dennstedt concluded that =93On the basis of one deed it is possible that=
=20
Thomas died and all of the land went to Henry, as stated in the will. On =
1=20
Dec. 1746 Matthias Ayres of the County and Parish of Henrico sold to Henr=
y=20
Sharpe 62 1/2 acres on Four Mile Creek. 50 acres of which had been=20
purchased from Heavy Childers. {Benjamin B. Weisiger, Henrico County,=20
Virginia, Deeds. 1 737-1 750 (Richmond, 1985), p. 34} The sale from Henry=
=20
Childers to Matthias Ayres appears in the May 1739 court records. {Ibid..=
p.=20
74}.=94
The match of the number 50 acres between the cited will and the cited=20
references is clearly insufficient data to support such a conclusion. It=
is=20
totally unclear who this Henry is =96 my original question still stands.
There also does not appear to be sufficient data to support the conclusio=
n=20
that Henry Childers, Jr. and Henry Childers, who married Mary Farmer, are=
=20
the same person. The fact that both Henrys married Marys, a very common=20
female name at this time, is not sufficient by itself. The fact that Hen=
ry=20
and Mary (Farmer) Childers named a daughter Lucretia would appear to add=20
weight, if it weren=92t for the fact that the name appears in a number of=
=20
lineages at this time. In fact, both Tanner sisters (Mary and Martha) na=
med=20
a daughter Lucretia. Even Lucy Harris, wife of Major William Harris (who=20
sold the emigrant Abraham Chiders his land), may have been a Lucretia. W=
hat=20
is being missed, by focusing on names used, is that the two Henrys seem t=
o=20
be associated with totally different people. Clearly, more data is neede=
d=20
than has been given to conclude they are the same person. This is very m=
uch=20
an open question.
I am quite puzzled as to why Dennstedt=92s conclusions cited above seem t=
o=20
have become dogma. The only disagreement I have been able to detect is t=
he=20
obvious clash between the conclusions reached involving the next generati=
on.=20
One group seems to have focused on Henry Sr. and Henry Jr., while the=20
other group focused on Henry and Mary Farmer, and as should have been=20
expected, came up with different children.
How about a discussion on all this!
Green Ayres
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Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:29:18 -0400
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I live in Chattanooga TN and have been looking up my Childress family and found
some information that might be helpful to someone.
James C. Childress married Rebecca A. Reynolds Jan. 7, 1852
Chas H. Childress married Hattie Martin 3-20-1884 bk 4 pg 207
Eliza Childers married Zion Crayn 3-11-1875 Bk 3 pg 14
Nannie E. Childress married Quint Capehart 1-1-1874 Bk 2 pg 243
Hope this information helps someone.
Sherion Childress Bowers
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Hi good to see you are still at it in the genealogy. I filed our taxes for
federal and state today and will have more time to surf, I hope. Stay in touch
please.
Jim
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Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:34:42 -0400
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I haven't done much lately. I really need to get bacnk into it.
Hope you both are doing well.
Love to you both,
Sherion
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> touch
> please.
> Jim
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Green Ayres,
Obediah Childress, Sr., Born October 15, 1792, died August 03, 1852,
married a *Selah/Celia Ayres*, born March 08, 1794, died November 05,
1867. They were born in South Carolina and died in Ackerman, Choctaw
Co., Mississippi.
Selah was the daughter of *Moses Ayres*, May 01, 1774 to May 1829. He
was born in SC, died in MS, and was supposedly the son of *Moses Ayres,
Sr*.. Do you have any connection to this Ayres? I have no documentation
to prove Selah/Celia's parentage. Would appreciate any information you
may have.
Thanks!
Joann (Childress) Bresciani
Hi good to see you are still at it in the genealogy. I filed our taxes for
federal and state today and will have more time to surf, I hope. Stay in touch
please.
Jim
I live in Chattanooga TN and have been looking up my Childress family and found some information that might be helpful to someone.
James C. Childress married Rebecca A. Reynolds Jan. 7, 1852
Chas H. Childress married Hattie Martin 3-20-1884 bk 4 pg 207
Eliza Childers married Zion Crayn 3-11-1875 Bk 3 pg 14
Nannie E. Childress married Quint Capehart 1-1-1874 Bk 2 pg 243
Hope this information helps someone.
Sherion Childress Bowers
Dear List,
While I havent been able to get much response to what I have posted to the
list, someone did provide me with a copy of Dennstedts work. After reading
through the appropriate sections, I think it is time to make some comments.
Stripped of all the assumptions and inserted conclusions the data beginning
with Henry Childers, who married Lucretia Jones, from Dennstedt is as
follows:
Henry Childers, who married Lucretia Jones, made his will on 16 May 1727.
He gave to son Thomas the 50 acres on which he was living. To each daughter,
Lucretia, Anne, Martha Jones and Millesent Childers, one shilling, and
divided the rest of the estate between his two underage sons Thomas and
Henry. If either died the other was to have his share and if both sons died
the girls were to divide the estate, The balance of the estate was given to
his wife Lucretia. Witnesses were Abraham Childers (Iris brother), Joseph
Adkins (his half-brother) and Edward Bennet. The will was proved and
recorded 4 Sept 1727. {Henrico Co., Va., Record Bk. 1725-37, pp. 131-32}
Henry Childers of Skin Quarter Creek. The data from Dennstedt that can be
attributed to him include only the following:
1) At June Court 1738 Henry Childress purchased from Edward Haskins and at
August Court 1743 Henry Childers and Thomas Williamson purchased land from
Haskins.{Weisigor, Henrico County, Virginia, Deeds, 1737-1750, pp. 71, 90}
2) On 18 Oct. 1753 Henry Childers of Chesterfield County sold to Robert
Hancock of Cumberland County for £90 200 acres in Chesterfield on
Skinquarter Creek, part of a patent to Edward Haskins dated 28 Sept. 1730
and bounded by William Bass; William Bass and Richard Sims. Witnesses were
Charles Haskins, William Marshall and Geo. Hancock. Mary Childers released
her right of dower and the deed was recorded 3 May 1755. {Chesterfield Co.,
Va., Deed 2, pp. 152-53}
The data from Dennstedt that can be attributed to Henry Childers who married
Mary Farmer include only the following:
1) At some point Henry Childas and John Farmer had purchased land in
Lunenburg County from Josias Dixon for on 21 Nov. 1753, both residing in
Chesterfield County, they sold 423 acres to Charles Talbot of Cumberland
Parish, Lunenburg County, for £50. Witnesses were John and Joel Towns and
Benjamin Farmer and the deed was recorded 1 June 1756. {Lunenburg Co., Va.,
Deed Bk. 4, pp. 256-57}
2) In Jan. 1756 Henry Childers purchased from Charles Talbot of Bedford
County for £140 600 acres in Lunenburg County on the great branch, Jones and
Farmer's lines. Witnesses were Samuel Perrin, Henry Isbell and Richard
Jones. Drusella, wife of Charles Talbot, released her dower right and the
deed was recorded 1 June 1756. {Lunenburg Co., Va., Deed Bk. 4, p. 259}
3) On 16 Jan. 1759 John Farmer of Cornwall Parish, Lunenburg County, gave
with "Natural Love and Effection" which he "bear unto my Son in Law Henry
Childress of the same Parish and County" a Negro named Hannah. Witnesses
were Stephen Bedford, John Childtess and Benjamin Farmer. The deed was
recorded 7 Aug. 1759. {Lunenburg Co., Va., Deed Bk, 5, p. 136}
4) On 1 Oct. 1759 Henry Childers of Lunenburg County sold to John Rutledge
of Prince Edward County for £40 200 acres bounded by Jones, Read and Farmer.
Witnesses were John Farmer, John Childers and William Mulling. Mary
released her dower rights and the deed was recorded 2 Oct. 1759. {Lunenburg
Co., Va., Deed Bk. 5, pp. 467-68}
5) Although this deed mentions a patent dated 10 Sept. 1755, the patent of
that date granted Henry Childers was for 50 acres in Albemarle County on the
north side of Fluvanna River on Mullanax Creek. {Virginia Patent Bk. 31, pp.
643-44}
6) Henry Childers of Cornwall Parish, Lunenburg County made his will on 1
Dec. 1760. He gave to his wife Mary for life or widowhood the home and
plantation of 200 acres bounded by Farmer and Paul Carrington. She was also
to have the Negro girl Hanah and all of his personal estate. To son John he
gave his grey mare, saddle and bridle, "which I usually ride," after the
death or marriage of his wife, to son Henry the home plantation after Mary's
death or marriage, and to son Thomas the remaining 200 acres. After Mary's
death or marriage anything left was to be equally divided among all the
children, named as John, Lueresha, Phebia, Anne, Henry, Thomas, Millecent,
Mary, Godfrey, Sarah and David. His friend Paul Carrington was to be
executor. Witnesses were William Goon, Thomas Rutledge and William
Mullings. The will was proved 3 March 1761. { Lunenburg Co., Va., Will Bk.
1, pp. 328-29}
Analysis
A good case was made that Henry Childers of Skin Quarter Creek was likely
Henry Jr., son of Henry and Lucretia (Jones) Childers in the section on
Henry Childers, Sr. But that is the only conclusion supported by the data
cited. In particular,
Dennstedt concluded that On the basis of one deed it is possible that
Thomas died and all of the land went to Henry, as stated in the will. On 1
Dec. 1746 Matthias Ayres of the County and Parish of Henrico sold to Henry
Sharpe 62 1/2 acres on Four Mile Creek. 50 acres of which had been
purchased from Heavy Childers. {Benjamin B. Weisiger, Henrico County,
Virginia, Deeds. 1 737-1 750 (Richmond, 1985), p. 34} The sale from Henry
Childers to Matthias Ayres appears in the May 1739 court records. {Ibid.. p.
74}.
The match of the number 50 acres between the cited will and the cited
references is clearly insufficient data to support such a conclusion. It is
totally unclear who this Henry is my original question still stands.
There also does not appear to be sufficient data to support the conclusion
that Henry Childers, Jr. and Henry Childers, who married Mary Farmer, are
the same person. The fact that both Henrys married Marys, a very common
female name at this time, is not sufficient by itself. The fact that Henry
and Mary (Farmer) Childers named a daughter Lucretia would appear to add
weight, if it werent for the fact that the name appears in a number of
lineages at this time. In fact, both Tanner sisters (Mary and Martha) named
a daughter Lucretia. Even Lucy Harris, wife of Major William Harris (who
sold the emigrant Abraham Chiders his land), may have been a Lucretia. What
is being missed, by focusing on names used, is that the two Henrys seem to
be associated with totally different people. Clearly, more data is needed
than has been given to conclude they are the same person. This is very much
an open question.
I am quite puzzled as to why Dennstedts conclusions cited above seem to
have become dogma. The only disagreement I have been able to detect is the
obvious clash between the conclusions reached involving the next generation.
One group seems to have focused on Henry Sr. and Henry Jr., while the
other group focused on Henry and Mary Farmer, and as should have been
expected, came up with different children.
How about a discussion on all this!
Green Ayres
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Dennstedt made a valiant effort as an early pioneer. It was a first
effort on her part and a big undertaking. But she predated DNA studies
on these lineages which now show a complex landscape. (There used to
exist an erroneous presumption that all using the surname were one
extended family.)
There is no master chart for all the Childress-Childers-Childrey-Childs
lineages, but most of Dennstedt research efforts are for the DNA group
called Haplogroup letter I, which is a Scandinavian strain of Europeans
(we call them "Viking" Childress). About a third of all records in
libraries, courthouses, etc are for a DNA group of
Childress-Childers-Childrey-Childs who are a DNA group called Haplogroup
R1b (we call them "Celtic" Childress) or some other Haplogroup
designations, who do not share a common ancestor with the Viking
Childress for perhaps 20,000 years. One cannot commingle different DNA
groups. Even the "Viking" Childress group is awaiting today more DNA
evidence that may shed more light on who is closely related to whom
within their own group. This information was not available to Dennstedt.
Errors within narrowly focused lineages have surfaced over the years and
you may wish to contact Pete Hamilton, or others who posted on the
Childress Genforum years ago
http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?dennstedt::childers::
394.html
Gary
Conduff,
The Dennstedt article "Progenitors and Kin of Abraham Childress 3rd" is
neither a scholarly nor reliable document. A number of her conclusions
are not supported by the documents. Ms. Dennstedt no longer defends her
article or conclusions.
Thank you.
Mark Childress