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Poll-book of an election held at Bull Creek precinct, in the fifth election
district, in the Territory of Kansas, at the house of Baptiste Peoria,
o the 30th March, 1855, for the election of four representatives and
two members of the council for said Territory, begun at 9 o'clock a. m.
James L, Childress
W.C., Childress
and John Childress
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Looking for a connection to JONATHAN CHILDRESS from North Carolina. He
married REBECCA WOOD and they had a daughter CHARITY EMILINE
CHILDRESS who was born 1848 Dobson, NC
Looking also for brothers or sisters of Charity and their descendants.
Looking for parents and grandparents of Jonathan and Rebecca.
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This is to comment on several aspects of the responses to my earlier posting
regarding my 4-great grandfather, John Childress Sr, who died in 1811 in
Davidson Co, TN.
First, the only thing that I know about his son, Robert, is that Robert was
already dead when John's will was drawn up in 1810. The will mentions the
heirs (without naming them) of his two deceased sons, Elisha and Robert. I
don't know who Robert married, how many children he had, or where he lived.
Sorry.
I agree with Jay Childress that "his" John Childress and "my" John Childress
are two different (and, insofar as I know, unrelated) people.
As to Henry Childers/Childress and his wife, Mary Farmer, being the parents
of "my" John Childress, I'll admit that I don't have any primary
documentation of that fact. This information was passed down to me from an
earlier generation of researchers in my family.
Good luck to all Childress researchers.
Pete Hamilton
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Hi Pete Hamilton 14 Jun 2002
Thanks for the additional information. Every small piece of the puzzle
(family members regardless how remote they may be) is important if we ever
hope to see the complete picture. Your distant cousin, Robert of San
Antonio, Texas
----- Original Message -----
From: Pete Hamilton <petehamilton(a)hotmail.com>
To: <CHILDRESS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:43 PM
Subject: [Childress Research] More re John Childress of Davidson Co, TN
>
> This is to comment on several aspects of the responses to my earlier
posting
> regarding my 4-great grandfather, John Childress Sr, who died in 1811 in
> Davidson Co, TN.
>
> First, the only thing that I know about his son, Robert, is that Robert
was
> already dead when John's will was drawn up in 1810. The will mentions the
> heirs (without naming them) of his two deceased sons, Elisha and Robert.
I
> don't know who Robert married, how many children he had, or where he
lived.
> Sorry.
>
> I agree with Jay Childress that "his" John Childress and "my" John
Childress
> are two different (and, insofar as I know, unrelated) people.
>
> As to Henry Childers/Childress and his wife, Mary Farmer, being the
parents
> of "my" John Childress, I'll admit that I don't have any primary
> documentation of that fact. This information was passed down to me from
an
> earlier generation of researchers in my family.
>
> Good luck to all Childress researchers.
>
> Pete Hamilton
>
>
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Regarding Henry Childers (Mary Farmer) often asserted parentage to John
Childress of Davidson County, TN we have yet to find the evidence compelling
or thoroughly researched or yet resolved.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Hamilton" <petehamilton(a)hotmail.com>
To: <CHILDRESS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 6:28 PM
Subject: [Childress Research] John Childress of Davidson Co, TN
John Childress of Davidson County, Tennessee, was my 4-great grandfather.
He was the son of Henry Childress/Childers and his wife, Mary Farmer, of
Virginia. He was born circa 1735 in Virginia, and died in 1811 in Davidson
Co, TN.
He was married twice. His first wife was named Elizabeth, probably
Elizabeth Armstrong (although I haven't been able to confirm that). She was
from the Stokes/Surry County, NC area. My records show that John and
Elizabeth Childress had 7 children: William, Henry, John, Nancy, Elisha,
Robert and Thomas.
His second wife was Nancy Ann Hickman, daughter of William Hickman and
his wife, Mildred Ann Smith. (I have lot's of information on the Hickman
family, as I descend, separately, from Nancy Ann Hickman's older sister,
Martha "Patsy" Hickman Hill.) I show two children of this marriage: Patsy
Childress and Edwin Hickman Childress.
My line is through his son, John Childress Jr. He was known as Judge
John Childress. He married Elizabeth Robertson, daughter of Elijah
Robertson and his wife, Sarah Maclin, and niece of Gen. James Robertson,
founder of Nashville. Judge John Childress was a leading citizen of
Nashville; Andrew Jackson was a frequent visitor in his home. One of his
sons, George Campbell Childress, was the author of the Texas Declaration of
Independence; a son-in-law, John B. Catron, served on the U.S. Supreme Court
(appointed by President Jackson).
I'll be happy to share any information on this family with anyone who is
interested.
Pete Hamilton
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I think this is a good time to point out to researchers of this John
Childress that is lineage has often been intermingled with that of my
ancestor John Childress b 1759 in Albemarle Co VA and d 1849 in Knoxville
TN. I can not tell you how frustrating it is for me to see all over these
genealogical web sites that my John had Henry Childress and Mary Farmer as
parents. THIS IS NOT TRUE. As Pete Hamilton will attest the
Childress/Farmer parentage is to his John Childress who lived in Nashville
and not to the John Childress, revolutionary soldier who moved on to Knox
Co. TN after the war.
Jay Childress
You left my great grandfather Rufus from the list of children. Did you
find Delilah's maiden name ?
JIm Childress
On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:28:23 -0400 "John Moore" <jmoorejr(a)ix.netcom.com>
writes:
> Did son Robert move to Alabama and marry a "Delilah" from South
> Carolina?
>
> My Robert is Robert C, from Tennessee. Robert and Delilah had seven
> children:
>
> Mary, Nancy, Sarah, John, Robert, Andrew and James.
>
Did son Robert move to Alabama and marry a "Delilah" from South Carolina?
My Robert is Robert C, from Tennessee. Robert and Delilah had seven
children:
Mary, Nancy, Sarah, John, Robert, Andrew and James.
-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Hamilton [mailto:petehamilton@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:28 PM
To: CHILDRESS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [Childress Research] John Childress of Davidson Co, TN
John Childress of Davidson County, Tennessee, was my 4-great grandfather.
He was the son of Henry Childress/Childers and his wife, Mary Farmer, of
Virginia. He was born circa 1735 in Virginia, and died in 1811 in Davidson
Co, TN.
He was married twice. His first wife was named Elizabeth, probably
Elizabeth Armstrong (although I haven't been able to confirm that). She was
from the Stokes/Surry County, NC area. My records show that John and
Elizabeth Childress had 7 children: William, Henry, John, Nancy, Elisha,
Robert and Thomas.
His second wife was Nancy Ann Hickman, daughter of William Hickman and
his wife, Mildred Ann Smith. (I have lot's of information on the Hickman
family, as I descend, separately, from Nancy Ann Hickman's older sister,
Martha "Patsy" Hickman Hill.) I show two children of this marriage: Patsy
Childress and Edwin Hickman Childress.
My line is through his son, John Childress Jr. He was known as Judge
John Childress. He married Elizabeth Robertson, daughter of Elijah
Robertson and his wife, Sarah Maclin, and niece of Gen. James Robertson,
founder of Nashville. Judge John Childress was a leading citizen of
Nashville; Andrew Jackson was a frequent visitor in his home. One of his
sons, George Campbell Childress, was the author of the Texas Declaration of
Independence; a son-in-law, John B. Catron, served on the U.S. Supreme Court
(appointed by President Jackson).
I'll be happy to share any information on this family with anyone who is
interested.
Pete Hamilton
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--- Pete Hamilton <petehamilton(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> John Childress of Davidson County, Tennessee, was
> my 4-great grandfather.
> He was the son of Henry Childress/Childers and his
> wife, Mary Farmer, of
> Virginia. He was born circa 1735 in Virginia, and
> died in 1811 in Davidson
> Co, TN.
> He was married twice. His first wife was named
> Elizabeth, probably
> Elizabeth Armstrong (although I haven't been able to
> confirm that). She was
> from the Stokes/Surry County, NC area. My records
> show that John and
> Elizabeth Childress had 7 children: William, Henry,
> John, Nancy, Elisha,
> Robert and Thomas.
> His second wife was Nancy Ann Hickman, daughter
> of William Hickman and
> his wife, Mildred Ann Smith. (I have lot's of
> information on the Hickman
> family, as I descend, separately, from Nancy Ann
> Hickman's older sister,
> Martha "Patsy" Hickman Hill.) I show two children
> of this marriage: Patsy
> Childress and Edwin Hickman Childress.
> My line is through his son, John Childress Jr.
> He was known as Judge
> John Childress. He married Elizabeth Robertson,
> daughter of Elijah
> Robertson and his wife, Sarah Maclin, and niece of
> Gen. James Robertson,
> founder of Nashville. Judge John Childress was a
> leading citizen of
> Nashville; Andrew Jackson was a frequent visitor in
> his home. One of his
> sons, George Campbell Childress, was the author of
> the Texas Declaration of
> Independence; a son-in-law, John B. Catron, served
> on the U.S. Supreme Court
> (appointed by President Jackson).
> I'll be happy to share any information on this
> family with anyone who is
> interested.
> Pete Hamilton
>
>
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Do you have any info on the son, Robert? My
great-great-grandfather was Robert Uel Childress born
in Tennessee in 1799. No other info as to parents or
siblings. Anything you can give me would help.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark and Gary" <London2001(a)earthlink.net>
To: <ChildressJ(a)aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2002 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Childress Research] Difference between Childress and
Childers
Jim
1) Collect all documents with all spellings by all clerks. Clerk's
spellings are meaningless, useless, immaterial.... ie. "not
probative"....neither proof nor disproof as to spelling. So collect all
CLERK'S spellings and suspend judgment until you can verify which family
created the record.
2) Look for a persons autograph signature or a signature of their nearest
kin to confirm when you are looking at a Childers record and when you are
looking at a Childress record..... even if the "signature" turns up a
hundred years later in another State on the record of a cousin ten times
removed. An effort should be made to show 2 things.... 1) that records of
people link together AND 2) that one of those linkages at some point creates
a "signature" record.
Everybody does step one. Few people do step two.
Most internet researchers think step one is some sort of proof. Perhaps I
misunderstood your original posting which said "I am a rank beginner having
only looked at census data for 3 counties in South Carolina. From one
census to the next in Laurens County the same folks go from Childress to
Childers and back to Childress . They must have the fastest mutating DNA
ever recorded". You seemed to imply that a Census was meaningful or
probative as to spelling...which it is not. The "folks" that go back and
forth are not the family members but the clerks.
The Census record is silent as to how the family spelled their own name.
The vast number of courthouse documents are silent as to how the family
spelled their own name.... even Courthouse copies of Deeds and Wills are
"not probative" (the original Will would be probative... but courthouse
documents of Wills and Deeds are copies not written in the hand of the
family member, they are the Clerk's copies, and introduce errors and
contradictory misspellings even within the same copied document).
The best evidence I have seen is that there are at least two progenitors,
one Childress and one Childers as of 1650 and if the truth were known there
may be several unrelated progenitors of both the Childress DNA and the
Childers DNA. Even before 1650 there may be several different and
unrelated-by-DNA Childers progenitors and several different and
unrelated-by-DNA Childress progenitors. We don't know. Some British Isles
"Childresses" may not be related to other British Isle "Childresses" and
some British Isles "Childers" may not be related to other British Isle
"Childers", to say nothing of Childress and Childers not being related.
Certainly in America there are at least 2 crossings, one Childers and one
Childress.
The Junk Genealogy that plagues the internet is that people will mix and
match records with far too little attention paid to even the basic
distinction that these are two different DNA pools. There are at least two
different families and a clerks error does not give permission to
researchers to perpetuate the mistakes by making one big soup of all the
records and then picking a choosing without distinction.... without
distinguishing that there are two different surnames as unrelated as Smith
and Jones since at least 1650 and most likely (playing the laws of
probability) unrelated father back than that to when surnames first evolved
circa the 1400's. A clerk's error is an error and it is incumbent upon the
researcher to avoid errors. The surnames differ more than just having an
odd extra "s" and the names aren't mutating with every Census. My guess is
that surname is constant 99% of the time (somebody always claims an
exception and even fewer have proof of their claims). Certainly
misspellings by non-family members are rampant. But misspellings by clerks
are not name changes by family members. When amateur genealogists start
taking DNA tests of themselves I'd wager the farm that allot of us Childress
and Childers will be more related to our neighbors than each other.
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: <ChildressJ(a)aol.com>
To: <London2001(a)earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [Childress Research] Difference between Childress and
Childers
In a message dated 6/5/02 9:40:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
London2001(a)earthlink.net writes:
<< http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl. >>
Gary,
I confess to having seen some of the discussion over the last several years
and I knew you were interested in the Childress family and along with many
others, were plagued with the confusion caused by errors associated with
similar sounding names. Everyone interested in genealogy presumably is
interested primarily in actual ancestors and not unrelated similar sounding
names of other families. I suspect your position differs from others only
in
your proposition that notwithstanding clerical misspellings, a real
Childress
always knew how to spell his name and therefore persons who used a
different
spelling themselves could not be a Childress. I suspect many others are of
the opinion that since much if not most of the records are subject to
clerical errors, a Childers cannot be discounted until it can be proven that
he is not a Childress. By the same reasoning, it would follow that a
Childress could not be assumed to be a real Childress without the same kind
of confirmation. It obviously makes the research much more demanding to
come
up with confirmation that there is no clerical error involved with a record.
With respect to individual person's signatures, Bible entries, etc., until
such time that research has demonstrated one family can be depended on to
spell the family name correctly while another cannot, It would seem we have
little choice but to subject all data to the same standards of proof.
In summary, it appears to me that others are trying to convey the message
that absent corroboration, a Childress is as likely a Childers as a Childers
is a Childress. This would logically lead people to include the Childers
individuals as persons of interest until they can be eliminated.
Am I missing something here?
Jim
Jim get used to it, you'll see that kind of thing all the time. My favorite
mis-spelling that I've found was Chuders.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark and Gary" <London2001(a)earthlink.net>
To: <ChildressJ(a)aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Childress Research] Difference between Childress and Childers
Jim
What you are looking at are misspellings by clerks which are rampant.
There is much written and posted on this kind of error in the Welcome Page
and in the archives. The Archives are at
http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl. Use the search word
"clerk", "error", "misspelling", "welcome page" and "signature" to view some
of the previous discussions.
Regards
Gary
----- Original Message -----
From: <ChildressJ(a)aol.com>
To: <CHILDRESS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Childress Research] Difference between Childress and Childers
I am a rank beginner having only looked at census data for 3 counties in
South Carolina. From one census to the next in Laurens County the same
folks
go from Childress to Childers and back to Childress . They must have the
fastest mutating DNA ever recorded.
Jim Childress
I wish to thank all those that have sent me cemetery information, and
photo's. I'll try to have those all posted in the next few days. Also, to
all those that haven't sent in their cemetery information yet, I'm still
taking info to post.
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There is one more "s" in Childress or one less "s" in Childers depending on
your point of view
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Gary
There was an article on the monument in the Childers/Childress Family Asso.
newsletter within the past two years. Mark joined the organization a few
years ago, the info you seek should be in your brother's file.
Jay Childress
The Newsletter to which you refer always said John, I know. I read it. The
person I was talking to just visited the Blue Licks Monument and swore up
and down that the inscription said James Childress, the article not
withstanding.
----- Original Message -----
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To: <CHILDRESS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Childress Research] Blue Lick...John Childress is on the
monument.
Gary
There was an article on the monument in the Childers/Childress Family Asso.
newsletter within the past two years. Mark joined the organization a few
years ago, the info you seek should be in your brother's file.
Jay Childress
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