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Hi Jim,
There are indeed a lot of Williams around. Do you know the date and
location (County and State) of your earliest known ancestor.
You can also see all previous postings for the past 3 years containing
information on any William Childress by going to the following search engine
for this Childress list.
Go to http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and type in the
word "Childress"...
that will take you a second search engine where you can type in a more
specific request like "William" or a location like " Charlotte County" and
see what previous postings on the Childress list match your request.
I have no information transcribed on the William Childress in recent
postings who was married to Ane Henson in Charlotte County, VA in 1786. It
is an area I am just now starting to look at.
Perhaps, Ted Childress at SChildress71(a)aol.com has more information
transcribed on William Childress (married to Ane Henson 1786, in Charlotte
County, Va) than I do. I was comparing some information about this William
to another William, also a pensioner from the American Revolutionary War,
(married to "Charity" July 28, 1784 in Buckingham County,
Virginia),....below.
William Childress (married to "Charity" July 28, 1784 in Buckingham County,
Virginia),.... in his pension application for serving as a soldier in the
American Revolution gives some facts about his movements. The deposition
for the pension was given in the State of Tennessee, White County, on the
16th day of July, 1833 by William Childress, a resident of White County
aged 71.
In that deposition William Childress states
1) "He was born in Buckingham County 25 December, 1762. He has no record of
his age. He depends upon the information derived from his parents"
(unstated who they are). William Childress died on January 14, 1839.
2) "When called into the Militia (Rev. War) service he lived in Caswell
County, North Carolina. He enlisted in the District Ninety-Six, South
Carolina....after the close of the War he move to Buckingham County,
Virginia from thence he returned to Caswell County, North Carolina. From
thence he removed to the District of Ninety-Six in South Carolina from
thence to Rutherford County, North Carolina from thence to Madison County,
Kentucky from thence to White County in the State of Tennessee where he now
resides."
3) " He states the names of the following persons in his present
neighborhood" [presumably that being White County, TN] "to whom he is known
and who can testify as to his character for veracity and their belief of his
service as a soldier of the Revolution viz Isaac Taylor, James Townsend,
Esqr., James Eastham, James Davis and Reverend Henry Burlos. As to his
services in the Continental Army he is advised that his name does not appear
on the rolls of South Carolina. He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever
to a pension or annuity except the present and declares that his name is not
on the pension roll of any agency in any state.
4) William Childress, while a resident of Caswell County, North Carolina,
enlisted in the year of the battle of Brier Creek, served six months as
private in Captain William White's company of North Carolina troops and was
in the battle of Brier Creek. He then returned to Caswell County, for about
ten months, when he went to Ninety-Six District, South Carolina, to see his
grandfather. He enlisted there, served as private in Captain John
Ridgeway's company, Colonel Hayes' South Carolina regiment, also in the
detachment under Colonel Washington and was engaged in the battle at
Hammond's Store, and , the day following, in the detachment which pursued
the Tories to William's" Plantation, where the enemy surrendered; he was in
the battle of Cowpens, marched afterwards to Guilford, North Carolina:
length of service two years.
5) William Childress married July 28, 1784 in Buckingham County, Virginia,
to "Charity", whose maiden name is not shown. She was a resident of DeKalb
County, TN in 1844 and then aged eighty-three years.
6) Hiram Childress was a son of William Childress, pensioner/Rev. War
soldier.
Regards,
Gary
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Gary, I am just trying to get started and have collect some info from my Dad
before he pasted away. I would be very interested in the William Childress
info you have.
I starting to feel that the only first name for a Childress is William. It
is
the same first name from my gggf to my gf.
Thanks,
Jim Childress
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Gary, I am just trying to get started and have collect some info from my Dad
before he pasted away. I would be very interested in the William Childress
info you have.
I starting to feel that the only first name for a Childress is William. It is
the same first name from my gggf to my gf.
Thanks,
Jim Childress
jimess(a)aol.com
Hi Ted,
Thanks for the additional information. It was very timely and helpful to
me.
There are several types of marriage records, Marriage Returns and Marriage
Bonds being two that I am most familiar with. If my memory serves me, a
Marriage Return was an application, a notice of intent, but is not
conclusive that a marriage took place (the parties may have changed their
minds before the marriage). A Marriage Bond was entered into at the
approximate time of a marriage ceremony. A Marriage Bond is a more
definitive proof than a Marriage Return that the ceremony took place, and
might have a different date than the Marriage Return. I don't know the
definition of "Certification of Marriage" but it sure sounds more conclusive
than either a Marriage Return or a Marriage Bond.
Regards,
Gary
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Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: [Childress Research] 27 Oct 1786 Ane Henson md. William
Childress, Charl...
To Gary Childress
To List Members
Ref: Anne & William Childress
There seems to be some confusion regarding the marriage date of Anne and
William Childress. Here is the following:
"VA Colonial Abstracts" by Beverley Fleet, Vol lll, 1988, Genealogical
Publishing CO, Item as it appears in book:
Childress, William m. 27 October, 1786, Anne Hanson or Henson. Sur: William
Childress, Charlotte Co, VA Marriage Bond.
William Childress, ARW pension application, Anne Childress W. 3775
Page 4: "She further declares that she was married to the said William
Childress on the 27th day of December 1786" (Charlotte Co, VA)
Page 5 (Same as above) "Certification of Marriage", Married December 27th
1786 by the Rev Thomas Johnston. (Charlotte Co, VA)
Ted Childress
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Charlotte County, Virginia,
Sorry,
Gary
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Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Childress Research] 27 Oct 1786 Ane Henson md. William
Childress, Charlotte County:
Gary Childress 28 Jun 2000
Reference your 28 Jun email Subject: Ane Henson and William Childress of
Charlotte County.
In what state is Charlotte County Located?
ROBERT D. CHILDRESS OF SAN ANTONIO
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Subject: [Childress Research] 27 Oct 1786 Ane Henson md. William Childress,
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Gary Childress 28 Jun 2000
Reference your 28 Jun email Subject: Ane Henson and William Childress of
Charlotte County.
In what state is Charlotte County Located?
ROBERT D. CHILDRESS OF SAN ANTONIO
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Subject: [Childress Research] 27 Oct 1786 Ane Henson md. William Childress,
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To Gary Childress
To List Members
Ref: Anne & William Childress
There seems to be some confusion regarding the marriage date of Anne and
William Childress. Here is the following:
"VA Colonial Abstracts" by Beverley Fleet, Vol lll, 1988, Genealogical
Publishing CO, Item as it appears in book:
Childress, William m. 27 October, 1786, Anne Hanson or Henson. Sur: William
Childress, Charlotte Co, VA Marriage Bond.
William Childress, ARW pension application, Anne Childress W. 3775
Page 4: "She further declares that she was married to the said William
Childress on the 27th day of December 1786" (Charlotte Co, VA)
Page 5 (Same as above) "Certification of Marriage", Married December 27th
1786 by the Rev Thomas Johnston. (Charlotte Co, VA)
Ted Childress
To: Gary Childress
To: List Members
Ref: Anne and William Childress
Here is some additional information: From: Marriage Bonds and Ministers
Returns of Charlotte Co, VA, 1764-1815:
William Childress married Anne Henson/Hanson December 27, 1786 Charlotte CO,
VA by, Rev Thomas Johnston (Minister Returns Page 7) Witness: William
Childress.
Ted Childress
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Subject: [LCT] Early LCT Newspapers
Negroes & Land.
There will be hired till the first of January 1828, at the house of Mrs.
Sarah CHILDRESS on the 17th day of February next, 40 Likely Negroes. One
hundred acres of Land will be rented at the same time. Bond and security
will be required for the hire and rent.
SARAH CHILDRESS,
RUFUS M. CHILDRESS,
BOON CHILDRESS,
F. PORTERFIELD, Guardians
January 25, 1827
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Correction: Reference to:
Post of Mark Childress
June 25, 2000, Joel Childress
4th paragraph, reference to Lee Rau post with information regarding Surrey
Co, NC Orphan Court records of 1789: Benjamine Childress was mentioned once,
not twice. Others mentioned in connection to these records concerning
orphan, Joel Childress were Abraham Childres(s) and Stephen Childress.
Thank you,
Ted Childress
To Mark Childress
Post: June 25, 2000, Joel Childress
And to List members:
You wrote: "One explanation that would make both facts compatible is if the
name of Joel's father were Benjamin John Childress. And that this Benjamin
John Childress went by the name "John" and yet bore the legal name "Benjamin
John Childress".
"There is some evidence that supports this supposition. This Joel Childress
of Rutherford County, TN named his first son, who died in infancy, "Benjamin".
According to my father's family papers of which I have information from the
family Bible of Joel Childress of Rutherford, TN, this Bible was owned by Mr.
Jesse Beesley, a first cousin of J. M. Avent of Tennessee. According to
these notes, the Bible was printed in Philadelphia, published by Mathew
Carey, No. 122 Market St, 1812. Sumitted by J. M. Avent. There are family
records of: Marriages and Births, deaths and the following:
BIRTHS:
Benjamin W. Childress was borned September the 2nd 1805. It appears from
these Bible births that Joel Childress first born son was not Benjamin W.
Childress. And note the middle initial "W"., but instead, a son named
Anderson Childress, the son of Joel Childress borned October the 26th 1799.
There might be a precedent for Childresses truncating their names., but most
likely than not, they would be referred to in a legal sense by their actual
name. The name of Benjamin Childress was noted twice in the 1789 orphan
court records of Surry Co, NC, according to Lee Rau post. To imagine that
Benjamin also had the name of "John" would in all likelihood be most
difficult to prove. I would assume that your entry of the double name for
Benjamin Childress ( father of Joel Childress) leads back to the tombstone of
Joel Childress and the memoirs of John Williams Childress which reported
seeing the name of "John" as father of said Joel Childress. As told by John
William Childress (35 years after the fact) the tombstone said " Joel, son of
John, son of Joel". There is no mention of John Benjamin or Benjamin John
Childress on this tombstone, only "John", according to Mr. Childress memoirs
(1960).
From the post which have appeared on the Childress List. It would seem that
most list members and others, suggest, that one of the two John Childresses
who sought ARW pensions and lived in TN possibly could be the father of Joel
Childress. In particuliar, John Childress who was born 1755 (the year of his
father's death) and who lived in Rutherford CO, TN from abt 1826c until he
died there 1844c. This John Childress reportedly married a Martha Calhoun in
SC. This John Childress was not deceased in 1789, but alive until 1844c.
This "John" Childress is not John Benjamin Childress nor Benjamin John
Childress, and could not be the father of orphan Joel.
I also hope that there will be more documents which will further help in
determining the family of Joel Childress, as of now we do know for fact that
orphan, Joel Childress was the son of Benjamin Childress who had died by
1789c.
Ted Childress
Not uncommon.
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Subject: Re: [Childress Research] Joel's tombstone
wow, none of those dates really match up with Aug. 18, 1819, if one starts
adding 4 months, 2 days to the end of March. 1818 is really off.
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Hi Listmembers,
Joel's tombstone which still exists today. The tombstone has been moved
from its original location on Joel's plantation in Murfreesboro, TN to
Cannonsburg, a re-creation of 1800's village in the middle of Murfreesboro.
The stone is damaged and that part of the tombstone that remains is in at
least 2 large chunks. One piece is missing (about 1/3 of the stone). About
1/2 of what remains is worn perfectly flat. One chunk of the stone is worn
so flat that I have speculated in the past the this portion of the stone
might be upside down. I have extracted some of the comments of our
researcher and pasted them below. Also based on old maps we deduce that
Joel's Plantation, and his original internment, would have been under the
house or near the house that now stands at 320 Butler, Murfreesboro. If any
more of the stone is to be found, I speculate that it might be on this
residential property.
Thank you
Gary
Words of the researcher:
"I went to Cannonsburg after work this afternoon (It is across the street).
I
saw the stone. It is not in a cemetery. It is next to the chapel at
Cannonsburg. There are three pieces of the stone. It looks like to me that
it has been placed into concrete and is sitting on a layer of rocks. It is
obvious that it is not in its original position.
"The 5'4" long (I lied down in the dirt to measure it <G>...embarrassed my
husband...LOL), approx. 3 ft. wide stone tombstone is lying next to the
lil church. It's taken very good care of. This is what is legible:
'Childress was born March 1777 died August 18 aged 42 years 4 months 2 days'
"I did not see the part about the ship."
"Here is some information from the couple involved with Cannonsburgh. This
quote is from the book "A Visit to Cannonsburgh, A Reconstructed Pioneer
Village" written by Former Mayor Hollis Westbrooks."
"The Childress Grave Marker
One of our very earliest citizens died in 1818 and was buried on a farm just
across the river on Shelbyville Pike on the left. He was Joel Childress,
Father of Sara who was destined to become the first lady of the land. She
married James K. Polk while he was attending sessions of the legislature
which were being held here while Murfreesboro was the capital of the State.
It is not known exactly where the grave was located. This marker was
discovered on a rockpile on that same farm about the same time Cannonsburgh
was being built."
"Also, if you go to the following web site you can see the Chapel and the
shape on the left as if you were going up the stairs to the chapel is the
tombstone (it is very hard to see).
http://murfreesborotoday.com/cannonsburgh/chapel.htm
Also, I have forwarded the last message to the director and asked if he
thought if there might be another stone underneath."
"Cannonsburgh is located in the middle of Murfreesboro. If you come in on
I-24 from Nashville (closest big airport) you would get off at the first
exit
for Murfreesboro. You would be on Hwy. 96 or Old Fort Parkway (we have parts
of a Civil War Dirt Fort here) and head toward town(not toward Franklin).
You would go through 5 red lights and when you got to the 6th you should be
at Broad Street. Turn right at 6th light. (Krystal on the right corner).
Go
through one light (Main Street). Then turn right on the next street. This
is Front Street. Cannonsburgh is on the right and you should see it as soon
as you make that last turn."
(Regarding the location of Joel's plantation in Murfreesboro where Joel's
tombstone was originally placed and where Joel's body is likely still
interred.....)"The land is really quite low. There is a house on the higher
knoll. The address is 320 Butler Drive and the person owning the land and
the house is W. T. Stephenson. Edgecomb Metals has a fence around the
property so, we didn't go past that. But, except for the plant the land
around it looked to be still open and not paved over. "
Hey, I was half right. Not bad for an old guy.
Y'all take care
Jay
Childress wrote:
> Hi Jay,
> Thanks for your articulate summary and contribution.
> When we contacted the UNC at Chapel Hill we were hoping they had original
> documents that might shed some light on the next of kin of those Childresses
> who attended. While we weren't able to locate any such original documents
> we were surprised to find that the UNC said that their records did not
> confirm graduation by either of Joel's children - contrary to what has been
> published by some authors including the recently posted Memoirs of Joel's
> Great Grandson, John William Childress. We weren't trying to corroborate
> whether any of Joel's children were attorneys, only whether we could find a
> paper trail.
> Thanks Jay.
> PS. Mark is an attorney. Gary is not.
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> To: <CHILDRESS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Childress Research] [Childress ] Children of Joel Childress
>
> Hi List,
> I am also a Tennessean and it has not been too many years since
> attorneys in this state were very often trained by the preceptor method.
> Young men would go into an established attorneys office to basically learn
> to practice law by observation of and by working for the established
> attorney. At some point and upon the recommendation of the senior attorney
> they were allowed to sit for the Bar examination. If they passed, they
> were admitted to the practice of law and would work for the senior atty.
> for a prescribed period of time to "pay back" the older person for his
> training.
> This also occurred in the medical specialties. As resent as 40 years
> ago after Medical or Dental training the new graduate in Tennessee could
> "go in" with a Boarded Specialist and after a set period, usually 5 or more
> years, they could challenge the Specialty Board. This is no longer true but
> it has not been too long ago that it was.
> So a hundred and fifty years ago it most certainly was not necessary to
> go to a law school to prepare to be admitted to the bar. I do not know but
> I wonder if there were a great many law schools out there? As attorneys,
> perhaps Gary or Mark would know.
> Jay Childress
>
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Hope you dont mind me sending this along to you. If it is inappropiate, please
delete. I know you all work hard to put information here for all to see.
Webb, decendant James Perry Childress
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CENSUS TAKER
It was the first day of census, and all through the land;
The pollster was ready ... a black book in hand.
He mounted his horse for a long dusty ride;
His book and some quills were tucked close by his side.
A long winding ride down a road barely there;
Toward the smell of fresh bread wafting, up through the air.
The woman was tired, with lines on her face;
And wisps of brown hair she tucked back into place.
She gave him some water ... as they sat at the table;
And she answered his questions ... the best she was able.
He asked of her children... Yes, she had quite a few;
The oldest was twenty, the youngest not two.
She held up a toddler with cheeks round and red;
His sister, she whispered, was napping in bed.
She noted each person who lived there with pride;
And she felt the faint stirrings of the wee one inside.
He noted the sex, the color, the age...
The marks from the quill soon filled up the page.
At the number of children, she nodded her head;
And saw her lips quiver for the three that were dead.
The places of birth she "never forgot";
Was it Kansas? or Utah? or Oregon ... or not?
They came from Scotland, of that she was clear;
But she wasn't quite sure just how long they'd been here.
They spoke of employment, of schooling and such;
They could read some and write some .. though really not much.
When the questions were answered, his job there was done;
So he mounted his horse and he rode toward the sun.
We can almost imagine his voice loud and clear;
"May God bless you all for another ten years."
Now picture a time warp ... its' now you and me;
As we search for the people on our family tree.
We squint at the census and scroll down so slow;
As we search for that entry from long, long ago.
Could they only imagine on that long ago day;
That the entries they made would effect us this way?
If they knew, would they wonder at the yearning we feel;
And the searching that makes them so increasingly real.
We can hear if we listen the words they impart;
Through their blood in our veins and their voice in our heart.
Author Unknown
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Hi Jay,
Thanks for your articulate summary and contribution.
When we contacted the UNC at Chapel Hill we were hoping they had original
documents that might shed some light on the next of kin of those Childresses
who attended. While we weren't able to locate any such original documents
we were surprised to find that the UNC said that their records did not
confirm graduation by either of Joel's children - contrary to what has been
published by some authors including the recently posted Memoirs of Joel's
Great Grandson, John William Childress. We weren't trying to corroborate
whether any of Joel's children were attorneys, only whether we could find a
paper trail.
Thanks Jay.
PS. Mark is an attorney. Gary is not.
- - - The Listowners
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Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 5:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Childress Research] [Childress ] Children of Joel Childress
Hi List,
I am also a Tennessean and it has not been too many years since
attorneys in this state were very often trained by the preceptor method.
Young men would go into an established attorneys office to basically learn
to practice law by observation of and by working for the established
attorney. At some point and upon the recommendation of the senior attorney
they were allowed to sit for the Bar examination. If they passed, they
were admitted to the practice of law and would work for the senior atty.
for a prescribed period of time to "pay back" the older person for his
training.
This also occurred in the medical specialties. As resent as 40 years
ago after Medical or Dental training the new graduate in Tennessee could
"go in" with a Boarded Specialist and after a set period, usually 5 or more
years, they could challenge the Specialty Board. This is no longer true but
it has not been too long ago that it was.
So a hundred and fifty years ago it most certainly was not necessary to
go to a law school to prepare to be admitted to the bar. I do not know but
I wonder if there were a great many law schools out there? As attorneys,
perhaps Gary or Mark would know.
Jay Childress
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Hi List,
I am also a Tennessean and it has not been too many years since
attorneys in this state were very often trained by the preceptor method.
Young men would go into an established attorneys office to basically learn
to practice law by observation of and by working for the established
attorney. At some point and upon the recommendation of the senior attorney
they were allowed to sit for the Bar examination. If they passed, they
were admitted to the practice of law and would work for the senior atty.
for a prescribed period of time to "pay back" the older person for his
training.
This also occurred in the medical specialties. As resent as 40 years
ago after Medical or Dental training the new graduate in Tennessee could
"go in" with a Boarded Specialist and after a set period, usually 5 or more
years, they could challenge the Specialty Board. This is no longer true but
it has not been too long ago that it was.
So a hundred and fifty years ago it most certainly was not necessary to
go to a law school to prepare to be admitted to the bar. I do not know but
I wonder if there were a great many law schools out there? As attorneys,
perhaps Gary or Mark would know.
Jay Childress
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