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Thanks for your information. The following info has been gleaned from
several sources, while searching for Mosby Childers. Apparently, it fits
intothe old Urban Legend nicely.... Barb
Descendants of John B . Childers
1 John B . Childers b: 1714 in Henrico Co. Va
+Rachael Perkins
2 Sarah Childers b: 1765
2 Robert Childers b: 1760
2 John Jr. Childers b: 1754
+Elizabeth Lindsey
3 Lindsey Childers
3 Robert Childers b: 1780
2 William Childers b: 1761
+Rachael Eastridge
2 Mitchell Childers b: 1763
2 Henry Childers b: 1771
At 02:24 PM 4/29/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Regarding a long-running discussion about the genealogy of
>Mitchell Childress (b. 23 Oct 1750) and John Childress, Jr.,
>aka John/ Revolutionary War Soldier, (b. 2 Dec 1759), I
>would like to contribute some observations that have emerged
>from our research.
>
>To those on the forum who are unacquainted with the
>Mitchell-John conundrum for the East Tennessee Childress
>clan, these two Childresses resided in Knox County, TN, from
>about 1792 onwards, having migrated there from Amherst
>County, Virginia, by way of North Carolina. Mitchell and
>John Childress are the patriarchs of much of the Childress
>clan in East Tennessee, specifically, Knox and Campbell
>Counties, TN, and apparently have some connection to the
>Childresses of North Carolina and Alabama.
>
>Their descendants are fortunate because these two
>Childresses - Mitchell and John - both participated in the
>Revolutionary War and lived long enough afterwards to file
>pension requests and leave pension declarations. These two
>pension declarations provide direct testimony from them
>about their respective military service, and later presence
>in North Carolina and Tennessee. But their pension
>statements failed to answer a question that arose in the
>1950s as to how John and Mitchell Childress were related to
>one another or to the other Virginia Childress families.
>Neither Mitchell nor John brought their family Bibles with
>them to be included in the pension depositions they gave to
>government scribes in 1833. Nor did they say anything about
>who their respective parents were.
>
>It is oft-speculated that Mitchell Childress and John
>Childress were brothers. This conclusion appears to have
>partly arisen from the observation that both men were born 9
>years apart, lived in Amherst County, Virginia in their
>youth, lived near one another in Wilkes County, North
>Carolina after the American Revolutionary War, and then
>migrated to Knox County, TN, where they lived out their
>lives amid expanding families.
>
>However, a closer examination of their respective pension
>declarations does not support, in my opinion, the
>presumption that Mitchell and John Childress were brothers.
>In fact, their pension statements support a different
>relationship.
>
>Mitchell Childress gave his pension statement on 10 Jan
>1833. On the first page, about 1/3 of the way down the
>document, the government scrivener writes "Mitchell
>Childress *** doth on his oath make the following
>declaration *** That he was born in Henrico County Virginia
>on the 23rd day of October 1750, where he lived but a few
>years until he moved to Amherst County VA where he lived
>several years, and married there." (emphasis added) [Textual
>Reference Branch (NNR1), National Archives and Records
>Administration, Washington, D.C., 20408, Microcopy M804,
>Role 535, Pension # S-2426]
>
>The words " *** where he lived but a few years ***, " are
>critical in Mitchell's declaration. It establishes that
>Mitchell's parents were living in Henrico County, Virginia
>in 1750 when Mitchell was born, and apparently moved to
>Amherst County, VA when he was a child. Even accommodating a
>poor recollection by Mitchell in 1833 when giving his
>pension declaration, this single phrase makes it highly
>probable that Mitchell's parents arrived in Amherst between
>1750 and 1760.
>
>John of the Revolution gave his pension statement on 19 Jan
>1833. In it, the government scrivener writes that John
>Childress was born 2 Dec 1759, in Albemarle County,
>Virginia, ". . . where he resided but a short time until he
>moved to Amherst County, VA, where he continued to live
>[until the Revolutionary War] . . . ." (emphasis added)
>[Textual Reference Branch (NNR1), National Archives and
>Records Administration, Washington, D.C., 20408, Microcopy
>M804, Role 535, Pension # S-2423] The clear implication is
>that John of the Revolution was a child when his parents
>moved to Amherst, VA, from Albemarle County - not Henrico
>County, as was Mitchell's declaration.
>
>>From their respective pension statements it appears that
>Mitchell's parents moved from Henrico to Amherst County,
>Virginia in the 1750s and John's parents moved from
>Albemarle to Amherst County in the 1760s after Mitchell's
>arrival. Their respective parents arrived in Amherst County,
>Virginia, at different times. A straw argument could be made
>that Amherst County was not formed until 1761, and therefore
>Mitchell's parents didn't move to Amherst until after 1761.
>But the rebuttal, which appears fatal to such an
>interpretation, is that regardless of when Mitchell's
>parents moved to Amherst, by his own account they moved from
>Henrico, whereas John Jr.'s parents moved from Albemarle. On
>the basis of these two first-hand accounts by Mitchell and
>John Childress, they did not share the same parents.
>Mitchell and John were not brothers.
>
>Although Mitchell and John Childress (b. 2 Dec 1759) could
>not have been brothers, it seems clear that they were
>nonetheless related. Their movements tracked one another.
>
>The closest form of familial relationship, short of being
>brothers, which can explain such facts is that of uncle to
>nephew. That is what I believe we have here. Mitchell
>Childress (b. 1750) is an uncle to John Childress (b. 1759).
>
>Mark Childress
>co-listowner
>Rootsweb Mail List for the Childress Surname
>
>
>
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>
>
>
Dear Mark,
In your excellent presentation you refer to John (1759) as John
Childress, Jr. What significance can I draw from your referral to him as
Junior. What information in that regard can you share with the web.
Thanks
Cousin Jay Childress
Mark Childress wrote:
> Regarding a long-running discussion about the genealogy of
> Mitchell Childress (b. 23 Oct 1750) and John Childress, Jr.,
> aka John/ Revolutionary War Soldier, (b. 2 Dec 1759), I
> would like to contribute some observations that have emerged
> from our research.
>
> To those on the forum who are unacquainted with the
> Mitchell-John conundrum for the East Tennessee Childress
> clan, these two Childresses resided in Knox County, TN, from
> about 1792 onwards, having migrated there from Amherst
> County, Virginia, by way of North Carolina. Mitchell and
> John Childress are the patriarchs of much of the Childress
> clan in East Tennessee, specifically, Knox and Campbell
> Counties, TN, and apparently have some connection to the
> Childresses of North Carolina and Alabama.
>
> Their descendants are fortunate because these two
> Childresses - Mitchell and John - both participated in the
> Revolutionary War and lived long enough afterwards to file
> pension requests and leave pension declarations. These two
> pension declarations provide direct testimony from them
> about their respective military service, and later presence
> in North Carolina and Tennessee. But their pension
> statements failed to answer a question that arose in the
> 1950s as to how John and Mitchell Childress were related to
> one another or to the other Virginia Childress families.
> Neither Mitchell nor John brought their family Bibles with
> them to be included in the pension depositions they gave to
> government scribes in 1833. Nor did they say anything about
> who their respective parents were.
>
> It is oft-speculated that Mitchell Childress and John
> Childress were brothers. This conclusion appears to have
> partly arisen from the observation that both men were born 9
> years apart, lived in Amherst County, Virginia in their
> youth, lived near one another in Wilkes County, North
> Carolina after the American Revolutionary War, and then
> migrated to Knox County, TN, where they lived out their
> lives amid expanding families.
>
> However, a closer examination of their respective pension
> declarations does not support, in my opinion, the
> presumption that Mitchell and John Childress were brothers.
> In fact, their pension statements support a different
> relationship.
>
> Mitchell Childress gave his pension statement on 10 Jan
> 1833. On the first page, about 1/3 of the way down the
> document, the government scrivener writes "Mitchell
> Childress *** doth on his oath make the following
> declaration *** That he was born in Henrico County Virginia
> on the 23rd day of October 1750, where he lived but a few
> years until he moved to Amherst County VA where he lived
> several years, and married there." (emphasis added) [Textual
> Reference Branch (NNR1), National Archives and Records
> Administration, Washington, D.C., 20408, Microcopy M804,
> Role 535, Pension # S-2426]
>
> The words " *** where he lived but a few years ***, " are
> critical in Mitchell's declaration. It establishes that
> Mitchell's parents were living in Henrico County, Virginia
> in 1750 when Mitchell was born, and apparently moved to
> Amherst County, VA when he was a child. Even accommodating a
> poor recollection by Mitchell in 1833 when giving his
> pension declaration, this single phrase makes it highly
> probable that Mitchell's parents arrived in Amherst between
> 1750 and 1760.
>
> John of the Revolution gave his pension statement on 19 Jan
> 1833. In it, the government scrivener writes that John
> Childress was born 2 Dec 1759, in Albemarle County,
> Virginia, ". . . where he resided but a short time until he
> moved to Amherst County, VA, where he continued to live
> [until the Revolutionary War] . . . ." (emphasis added)
> [Textual Reference Branch (NNR1), National Archives and
> Records Administration, Washington, D.C., 20408, Microcopy
> M804, Role 535, Pension # S-2423] The clear implication is
> that John of the Revolution was a child when his parents
> moved to Amherst, VA, from Albemarle County - not Henrico
> County, as was Mitchell's declaration.
>
> >From their respective pension statements it appears that
> Mitchell's parents moved from Henrico to Amherst County,
> Virginia in the 1750s and John's parents moved from
> Albemarle to Amherst County in the 1760s after Mitchell's
> arrival. Their respective parents arrived in Amherst County,
> Virginia, at different times. A straw argument could be made
> that Amherst County was not formed until 1761, and therefore
> Mitchell's parents didn't move to Amherst until after 1761.
> But the rebuttal, which appears fatal to such an
> interpretation, is that regardless of when Mitchell's
> parents moved to Amherst, by his own account they moved from
> Henrico, whereas John Jr.'s parents moved from Albemarle. On
> the basis of these two first-hand accounts by Mitchell and
> John Childress, they did not share the same parents.
> Mitchell and John were not brothers.
>
> Although Mitchell and John Childress (b. 2 Dec 1759) could
> not have been brothers, it seems clear that they were
> nonetheless related. Their movements tracked one another.
>
> The closest form of familial relationship, short of being
> brothers, which can explain such facts is that of uncle to
> nephew. That is what I believe we have here. Mitchell
> Childress (b. 1750) is an uncle to John Childress (b. 1759).
>
> Mark Childress
> co-listowner
> Rootsweb Mail List for the Childress Surname
>
> ==== CHILDRESS Mailing List ====
> To see previous Childress mail list postings archived at Rootsweb go to
> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl
> To contact List Owner Gary Childress london2000(a)fea.net
Dear Greg and Nancy
I will respond for Mark and Gary as CA workers get hope late. I would
very much doubt it as this John Childress lived in Wilkes County in NC in
1790. Also I have no record of an Ann being a sister of John (1759-1849).
Jay Childress
Greg and Nancy Whitlock wrote:
> Is this John Childress Jr. the same one that owned land in Kanawha County
> inthe early 1790's?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Childress <london2000(a)fea.net>
> To: CHILDRESS-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHILDRESS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 5:27 PM
> Subject: [CHILDRESS-L] Mitchell Childress b. 1750
>
> >Regarding a long-running discussion about the genealogy of
> >Mitchell Childress (b. 23 Oct 1750) and John Childress, Jr.,
> >aka John/ Revolutionary War Soldier, (b. 2 Dec 1759), I
> >would like to contribute some observations that have emerged
> >from our research.
> >
> >To those on the forum who are unacquainted with the
> >Mitchell-John conundrum for the East Tennessee Childress
> >clan, these two Childresses resided in Knox County, TN, from
> >about 1792 onwards, having migrated there from Amherst
> >County, Virginia, by way of North Carolina. Mitchell and
> >John Childress are the patriarchs of much of the Childress
> >clan in East Tennessee, specifically, Knox and Campbell
> >Counties, TN, and apparently have some connection to the
> >Childresses of North Carolina and Alabama.
> >
> >Their descendants are fortunate because these two
> >Childresses - Mitchell and John - both participated in the
> >Revolutionary War and lived long enough afterwards to file
> >pension requests and leave pension declarations. These two
> >pension declarations provide direct testimony from them
> >about their respective military service, and later presence
> >in North Carolina and Tennessee. But their pension
> >statements failed to answer a question that arose in the
> >1950s as to how John and Mitchell Childress were related to
> >one another or to the other Virginia Childress families.
> >Neither Mitchell nor John brought their family Bibles with
> >them to be included in the pension depositions they gave to
> >government scribes in 1833. Nor did they say anything about
> >who their respective parents were.
> >
> >It is oft-speculated that Mitchell Childress and John
> >Childress were brothers. This conclusion appears to have
> >partly arisen from the observation that both men were born 9
> >years apart, lived in Amherst County, Virginia in their
> >youth, lived near one another in Wilkes County, North
> >Carolina after the American Revolutionary War, and then
> >migrated to Knox County, TN, where they lived out their
> >lives amid expanding families.
> >
> >However, a closer examination of their respective pension
> >declarations does not support, in my opinion, the
> >presumption that Mitchell and John Childress were brothers.
> >In fact, their pension statements support a different
> >relationship.
> >
> >Mitchell Childress gave his pension statement on 10 Jan
> >1833. On the first page, about 1/3 of the way down the
> >document, the government scrivener writes "Mitchell
> >Childress *** doth on his oath make the following
> >declaration *** That he was born in Henrico County Virginia
> >on the 23rd day of October 1750, where he lived but a few
> >years until he moved to Amherst County VA where he lived
> >several years, and married there." (emphasis added) [Textual
> >Reference Branch (NNR1), National Archives and Records
> >Administration, Washington, D.C., 20408, Microcopy M804,
> >Role 535, Pension # S-2426]
> >
> >The words " *** where he lived but a few years ***, " are
> >critical in Mitchell's declaration. It establishes that
> >Mitchell's parents were living in Henrico County, Virginia
> >in 1750 when Mitchell was born, and apparently moved to
> >Amherst County, VA when he was a child. Even accommodating a
> >poor recollection by Mitchell in 1833 when giving his
> >pension declaration, this single phrase makes it highly
> >probable that Mitchell's parents arrived in Amherst between
> >1750 and 1760.
> >
> >John of the Revolution gave his pension statement on 19 Jan
> >1833. In it, the government scrivener writes that John
> >Childress was born 2 Dec 1759, in Albemarle County,
> >Virginia, ". . . where he resided but a short time until he
> >moved to Amherst County, VA, where he continued to live
> >[until the Revolutionary War] . . . ." (emphasis added)
> >[Textual Reference Branch (NNR1), National Archives and
> >Records Administration, Washington, D.C., 20408, Microcopy
> >M804, Role 535, Pension # S-2423] The clear implication is
> >that John of the Revolution was a child when his parents
> >moved to Amherst, VA, from Albemarle County - not Henrico
> >County, as was Mitchell's declaration.
> >
> >>From their respective pension statements it appears that
> >Mitchell's parents moved from Henrico to Amherst County,
> >Virginia in the 1750s and John's parents moved from
> >Albemarle to Amherst County in the 1760s after Mitchell's
> >arrival. Their respective parents arrived in Amherst County,
> >Virginia, at different times. A straw argument could be made
> >that Amherst County was not formed until 1761, and therefore
> >Mitchell's parents didn't move to Amherst until after 1761.
> >But the rebuttal, which appears fatal to such an
> >interpretation, is that regardless of when Mitchell's
> >parents moved to Amherst, by his own account they moved from
> >Henrico, whereas John Jr.'s parents moved from Albemarle. On
> >the basis of these two first-hand accounts by Mitchell and
> >John Childress, they did not share the same parents.
> >Mitchell and John were not brothers.
> >
> >Although Mitchell and John Childress (b. 2 Dec 1759) could
> >not have been brothers, it seems clear that they were
> >nonetheless related. Their movements tracked one another.
> >
> >The closest form of familial relationship, short of being
> >brothers, which can explain such facts is that of uncle to
> >nephew. That is what I believe we have here. Mitchell
> >Childress (b. 1750) is an uncle to John Childress (b. 1759).
> >
> >Mark Childress
> >co-listowner
> >Rootsweb Mail List for the Childress Surname
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Is this John Childress Jr. the same one that owned land in Kanawha County
inthe early 1790's?
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Childress <london2000(a)fea.net>
To: CHILDRESS-L(a)rootsweb.com <CHILDRESS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 5:27 PM
Subject: [CHILDRESS-L] Mitchell Childress b. 1750
>Regarding a long-running discussion about the genealogy of
>Mitchell Childress (b. 23 Oct 1750) and John Childress, Jr.,
>aka John/ Revolutionary War Soldier, (b. 2 Dec 1759), I
>would like to contribute some observations that have emerged
>from our research.
>
>To those on the forum who are unacquainted with the
>Mitchell-John conundrum for the East Tennessee Childress
>clan, these two Childresses resided in Knox County, TN, from
>about 1792 onwards, having migrated there from Amherst
>County, Virginia, by way of North Carolina. Mitchell and
>John Childress are the patriarchs of much of the Childress
>clan in East Tennessee, specifically, Knox and Campbell
>Counties, TN, and apparently have some connection to the
>Childresses of North Carolina and Alabama.
>
>Their descendants are fortunate because these two
>Childresses - Mitchell and John - both participated in the
>Revolutionary War and lived long enough afterwards to file
>pension requests and leave pension declarations. These two
>pension declarations provide direct testimony from them
>about their respective military service, and later presence
>in North Carolina and Tennessee. But their pension
>statements failed to answer a question that arose in the
>1950s as to how John and Mitchell Childress were related to
>one another or to the other Virginia Childress families.
>Neither Mitchell nor John brought their family Bibles with
>them to be included in the pension depositions they gave to
>government scribes in 1833. Nor did they say anything about
>who their respective parents were.
>
>It is oft-speculated that Mitchell Childress and John
>Childress were brothers. This conclusion appears to have
>partly arisen from the observation that both men were born 9
>years apart, lived in Amherst County, Virginia in their
>youth, lived near one another in Wilkes County, North
>Carolina after the American Revolutionary War, and then
>migrated to Knox County, TN, where they lived out their
>lives amid expanding families.
>
>However, a closer examination of their respective pension
>declarations does not support, in my opinion, the
>presumption that Mitchell and John Childress were brothers.
>In fact, their pension statements support a different
>relationship.
>
>Mitchell Childress gave his pension statement on 10 Jan
>1833. On the first page, about 1/3 of the way down the
>document, the government scrivener writes "Mitchell
>Childress *** doth on his oath make the following
>declaration *** That he was born in Henrico County Virginia
>on the 23rd day of October 1750, where he lived but a few
>years until he moved to Amherst County VA where he lived
>several years, and married there." (emphasis added) [Textual
>Reference Branch (NNR1), National Archives and Records
>Administration, Washington, D.C., 20408, Microcopy M804,
>Role 535, Pension # S-2426]
>
>The words " *** where he lived but a few years ***, " are
>critical in Mitchell's declaration. It establishes that
>Mitchell's parents were living in Henrico County, Virginia
>in 1750 when Mitchell was born, and apparently moved to
>Amherst County, VA when he was a child. Even accommodating a
>poor recollection by Mitchell in 1833 when giving his
>pension declaration, this single phrase makes it highly
>probable that Mitchell's parents arrived in Amherst between
>1750 and 1760.
>
>John of the Revolution gave his pension statement on 19 Jan
>1833. In it, the government scrivener writes that John
>Childress was born 2 Dec 1759, in Albemarle County,
>Virginia, ". . . where he resided but a short time until he
>moved to Amherst County, VA, where he continued to live
>[until the Revolutionary War] . . . ." (emphasis added)
>[Textual Reference Branch (NNR1), National Archives and
>Records Administration, Washington, D.C., 20408, Microcopy
>M804, Role 535, Pension # S-2423] The clear implication is
>that John of the Revolution was a child when his parents
>moved to Amherst, VA, from Albemarle County - not Henrico
>County, as was Mitchell's declaration.
>
>>From their respective pension statements it appears that
>Mitchell's parents moved from Henrico to Amherst County,
>Virginia in the 1750s and John's parents moved from
>Albemarle to Amherst County in the 1760s after Mitchell's
>arrival. Their respective parents arrived in Amherst County,
>Virginia, at different times. A straw argument could be made
>that Amherst County was not formed until 1761, and therefore
>Mitchell's parents didn't move to Amherst until after 1761.
>But the rebuttal, which appears fatal to such an
>interpretation, is that regardless of when Mitchell's
>parents moved to Amherst, by his own account they moved from
>Henrico, whereas John Jr.'s parents moved from Albemarle. On
>the basis of these two first-hand accounts by Mitchell and
>John Childress, they did not share the same parents.
>Mitchell and John were not brothers.
>
>Although Mitchell and John Childress (b. 2 Dec 1759) could
>not have been brothers, it seems clear that they were
>nonetheless related. Their movements tracked one another.
>
>The closest form of familial relationship, short of being
>brothers, which can explain such facts is that of uncle to
>nephew. That is what I believe we have here. Mitchell
>Childress (b. 1750) is an uncle to John Childress (b. 1759).
>
>Mark Childress
>co-listowner
>Rootsweb Mail List for the Childress Surname
>
>
>
>==== CHILDRESS Mailing List ====
>To see previous Childress mail list postings archived at Rootsweb go to
>http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl
>To contact List Owner Gary Childress london2000(a)fea.net
>
Hi Mark. Thank you so much for putting this Childress information out. My
ancestor was Frankie (Frances?) Childress, b. ca. 1800 in Amherst Co. VA and
md. on 9 Jan 1819 in Knox Co. TN to James Kidd. The information I have says
her father was William Seburn Childress. He would be about the right age to
be a son of Mitchell or John. Do you have any information on the names of
either of their children?
I have saved your information in a file. Thank you again. This gives me new
encouragement to pursue my Childress ancestors.
Betty
Regarding a long-running discussion about the genealogy of
Mitchell Childress (b. 23 Oct 1750) and John Childress, Jr.,
aka John/ Revolutionary War Soldier, (b. 2 Dec 1759), I
would like to contribute some observations that have emerged
from our research.
To those on the forum who are unacquainted with the
Mitchell-John conundrum for the East Tennessee Childress
clan, these two Childresses resided in Knox County, TN, from
about 1792 onwards, having migrated there from Amherst
County, Virginia, by way of North Carolina. Mitchell and
John Childress are the patriarchs of much of the Childress
clan in East Tennessee, specifically, Knox and Campbell
Counties, TN, and apparently have some connection to the
Childresses of North Carolina and Alabama.
Their descendants are fortunate because these two
Childresses - Mitchell and John - both participated in the
Revolutionary War and lived long enough afterwards to file
pension requests and leave pension declarations. These two
pension declarations provide direct testimony from them
about their respective military service, and later presence
in North Carolina and Tennessee. But their pension
statements failed to answer a question that arose in the
1950s as to how John and Mitchell Childress were related to
one another or to the other Virginia Childress families.
Neither Mitchell nor John brought their family Bibles with
them to be included in the pension depositions they gave to
government scribes in 1833. Nor did they say anything about
who their respective parents were.
It is oft-speculated that Mitchell Childress and John
Childress were brothers. This conclusion appears to have
partly arisen from the observation that both men were born 9
years apart, lived in Amherst County, Virginia in their
youth, lived near one another in Wilkes County, North
Carolina after the American Revolutionary War, and then
migrated to Knox County, TN, where they lived out their
lives amid expanding families.
However, a closer examination of their respective pension
declarations does not support, in my opinion, the
presumption that Mitchell and John Childress were brothers.
In fact, their pension statements support a different
relationship.
Mitchell Childress gave his pension statement on 10 Jan
1833. On the first page, about 1/3 of the way down the
document, the government scrivener writes "Mitchell
Childress *** doth on his oath make the following
declaration *** That he was born in Henrico County Virginia
on the 23rd day of October 1750, where he lived but a few
years until he moved to Amherst County VA where he lived
several years, and married there." (emphasis added) [Textual
Reference Branch (NNR1), National Archives and Records
Administration, Washington, D.C., 20408, Microcopy M804,
Role 535, Pension # S-2426]
The words " *** where he lived but a few years ***, " are
critical in Mitchell's declaration. It establishes that
Mitchell's parents were living in Henrico County, Virginia
in 1750 when Mitchell was born, and apparently moved to
Amherst County, VA when he was a child. Even accommodating a
poor recollection by Mitchell in 1833 when giving his
pension declaration, this single phrase makes it highly
probable that Mitchell's parents arrived in Amherst between
1750 and 1760.
John of the Revolution gave his pension statement on 19 Jan
1833. In it, the government scrivener writes that John
Childress was born 2 Dec 1759, in Albemarle County,
Virginia, ". . . where he resided but a short time until he
moved to Amherst County, VA, where he continued to live
[until the Revolutionary War] . . . ." (emphasis added)
[Textual Reference Branch (NNR1), National Archives and
Records Administration, Washington, D.C., 20408, Microcopy
M804, Role 535, Pension # S-2423] The clear implication is
that John of the Revolution was a child when his parents
moved to Amherst, VA, from Albemarle County - not Henrico
County, as was Mitchell's declaration.
>From their respective pension statements it appears that
Mitchell's parents moved from Henrico to Amherst County,
Virginia in the 1750s and John's parents moved from
Albemarle to Amherst County in the 1760s after Mitchell's
arrival. Their respective parents arrived in Amherst County,
Virginia, at different times. A straw argument could be made
that Amherst County was not formed until 1761, and therefore
Mitchell's parents didn't move to Amherst until after 1761.
But the rebuttal, which appears fatal to such an
interpretation, is that regardless of when Mitchell's
parents moved to Amherst, by his own account they moved from
Henrico, whereas John Jr.'s parents moved from Albemarle. On
the basis of these two first-hand accounts by Mitchell and
John Childress, they did not share the same parents.
Mitchell and John were not brothers.
Although Mitchell and John Childress (b. 2 Dec 1759) could
not have been brothers, it seems clear that they were
nonetheless related. Their movements tracked one another.
The closest form of familial relationship, short of being
brothers, which can explain such facts is that of uncle to
nephew. That is what I believe we have here. Mitchell
Childress (b. 1750) is an uncle to John Childress (b. 1759).
Mark Childress
co-listowner
Rootsweb Mail List for the Childress Surname
In a message dated 4/29/99 6:13:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gwhitloc(a)swva.net writes:
<< s this John Childress Jr. the same one that owned land in Kanawha County
inthe early 1790's?
>>
Do you know if the John Childress Jr mentioned above had a sister named Anne
who married a Russell in Kanawha County?
Pat
I posted this a while back but got no replies, so I'm re-posting. Maybe
someone new is on the list that might have input.
Anne Crase
annecrase(a)prodigy.net
>Does anyone know if there is a connection between Goolsby CHILDERS, c1803
>VA-1872 Carter Co., KY who m. Nancy MCCLANAHAN, b c1814 VA (they were
>listed in the 1870 Carter Co., KY census) and Goolsby/Goolsbury
>CHILDERS/CHILDRESS (1757 Amherst, VA-25 May 1842) Garrard Co., KY & m.
Nancy
>SWEENEY?
>
>The name Goolsby came from the maiden name of Goolsby CHILDERS/CHILDRESS'
>(1757-1842) mother Susanna GOOLSBY.
>
>Info on Goolsby CHILDERS & Nancy MCCLANAHAN has been printed in the last 2
>issues of the Childers-Childress Clearinghouse Newsletter. I wrote to the
>submitter of the info, but she does not know the connection between the two
>Goolsby's, if any.
>The info in the newsletter states Nancy McClanahan Childers died 1890 in
>Boyd Co. Infirmary (listed as a pauper).
>
>Does anyone know if there is a connection between these 2 Goolsby's? The
>name Nancy McClanahan sounds very familiar to me but I have nothing on her
>or her husband in my database.
>
> Anne Crase
>annecrase(a)prodigy.net
Hi Sarah,
In response to your question on the Childress Genforum about the "Gaelic"
name for Childress, I can offer you the following though it is not Gaelic
but addresses the issue a little.
The Oxford English dictionary has about 2 or 3 pages dedicated to the word
"Children" that seems a likely candidate in my mind to be the root of the
Childress surname. I conjecture that "Childress" initially may have been
another way of trying to say "children of". While I have not seen any
academicians suggesting "Childress" meant "children of", I have seen a
published reference to the surname "Child" being used to mean "child of".
"Children" has been spelled in Britain as "Childres, Childir, Childiris,
Childru, Childre, Childer, Cidru, Cildra, Childere, Childur, Chylder,
Chyldren, Childrene, Chyldyr."
Importantly, in Britain there were regional preferences on how to spell the
word for "children". How the word "children" was spelled and pronounced
indicated something about the region of origin of the person (or clerk)
using the spelling or pronunciation as follows:
Southern England spelled children with the "N" in early literature.
The Midlands and North Midlands preferred the "R" sound . Childer, Childre
Northumbria, the northern most county bordering Scotland, did not use the
"R" but used "Childo, Cidas".
Scotland spelled children as "Chields" and often used the suffix "IS" to
make words plural.
To put some dates to when these "children" spellings first occurred:
975 Cildra appears in literature ("c" was pronounced "ch")
1000 Cidru,
1175 Childre
1225 Childrene
1300 Childir
1525 "Childers children" (translated as "childrens children")
1549 Childir (in Scotland)
1578 "Childiris children" (translated as "childrens children") is sung in a
ballad.
Alternatively, near Edinburgh is a place name "Culross" and if the "c" was
ever pronounce "ch" (and we dont know if that was the case for this
village") this would perhaps make a resident of this village a "Chulross".
Just speculation though. There is a possible Childress family around
Manchester, England associated with a "Saddleworth Manor" that produces some
records in the 1500s in which the surname is spelled by the clerk as
"Childress" and may indicate that regions preferred spelling or regional
pronunciation. The oral history that the Childress family is Scottish may
reflect a migration to Scotland and assimilation into the culture for
perhaps a period of hundred years or so.
There is what appears to be a family in Edinburgh (recorded in the citys
library archives) that may possibly link to the Childresses of the 1745 ship
crossing to America, though we have found no linkages yet. The Edinburgh
familys surname appears in the records spelled as "Childiris, Childers, and
Childrey". (The "y" would likely have been pronounced "th". For example, "Ye
old shoppe" is actually pronounced "THEE old shoppe" not "YEEE old shoppe"
The Childrey entry in the records may have been pronounced as Childreth or
with some similar Scottish accent). We have not found any extant signatures
for any members of the Edinburgh family. All spellings are by clerks of the
day.
A number of these Edinburgh family members are Saddlers by trade (which
entailed on one occasion upholstering the church pews) and are "Burgesses"
(including "Extraodinary Deacon to the Council") in the Saddlery and
Hammerman Guilds. One family member is a "town officer" and another is royal
"trumpeter" fundraising money from titled families for some theatrical
venture. The patriarch of the Edinburgh family seems to be a George born, I
estimate, about 1600 and is the first of 5 Georges in the Edinburgh family.
The patriarch George has sons and/or grandsons named Robert, James, John,
George, Haerie, David, William and Neil. The Edinburgh clan marries into
families with the following surnames: Hadden, Handyside, Little, Gourlay,
Burns, Muir, and Nicol/Nicolson. The Edinburgh family disappears completely
from the records just before 1700. There are ten known children born to this
Edinburgh family between 1671 and 1690 of which 3 die in infancy. However,
there are no further entries on the lives of the surviving children as they
became adults. The last record in Edinburgh is for a "Neil Childers" who
died in 1700 with an entry next to his name.... "poor".
Though we have found no linkages between the Edinburgh family of saddlers
and the Virginia Childresses, we note that in Virginia some Childresses are
connected to cattle and leather trades. There is a John Childress, born
1759, who serves in the Revolutionary War herding cattle in the army. The
Continental Army in the Revolution owes payment in Amherst/Albemarle
Counties, VA for taking Childress cattle. There are surnames into which the
Childress marry in Knox County, TN (Lindsay, and Powell) that have tanneries
in Knoxville. Circa the 1800s there are Childress families in Virginia
manufacturing shoes and operating a dairy.
There is no evidence yet discovered of where this Edinburgh family came from
or went to. And we have been unable to find any other possible Childress
families anywhere else in Scotland. We currently have a researcher looking
at Irish and Ulster records. We would like to research some more in Glasgow
sometime in the future and in Wales, the departure point of the Childress
ship crossing in 1745.
Thank You Mary for passing on that information. Some of us are new to this
and fall easily to things like this. What seems like good information but
isn't. Thanks again Pam Dodd
Hi list members, I just bought the April 19, 1999 edition of Time magazine
because the front cover caught me eye.
"How to Search for Your Roots" There was an article in there about these
"Family History Books" that are apparently making the rounds again. So I
thought I would share it with the list.
"CAVEAT EMPTOR"
"If you are one millions who have received an offer of a personalized family
that will help locate ancestral 'namesakes' remember the old warning Buyer
Beware'. Various companies have sold such books over the years, but the
enduring master is Ohio-based Numa Corporation, parent company of Halbert's.
Though their pitch carries a disclaimer 'no direct genealogical
connection...implied ore intended-the actual product is a glorified and
often inaccurate, phone listing of everyone sharing your surmane, culled
from public sources like auto registries and phone books, padded with
general information easily found in history textbooks, plus advice freely
given by many genealogical societies. Coats of arms, emblazoned on
everything from plaques to shot glasses are another huge money maker for
Numa. Since heraldry was awarded to only a few families and typically
passed on to male descendants, chances are slim you deserve a crest at all.
That hasn't stopped Numa from filling customer requests; it's legal and, as
a Numa spokeswoman argues, the company has millions of satisfied customers.
Quips Victor Wlaszyn, head of the Akron Better Business Bureau, which has
been field Numa complaints for decades: "They'd send me one with two
kielbases crossed with some sauerkaraut sprinkled over the top.' "
That is all of the article. It seems to me to be wrong to take advantage of
someone, just because you can.
We all know how frustrating genealogy research can be, but we all also know
the joy of a real find. So I just thought I would share this will all of
you. Pass it on if you choose. Mary Wright, Santa Fe, NM
Hi cousins
In case Gary has not put it on this site yet, the LDS Church has open
their research vault at the following site.
<http://www.familysearch.org/>
Regards,
Jay Childress
Hello,
I have the Kinship of Rosa Childress Report, copied from WFT CD Vol,17 Tree
429.
Some of the relatives listed are: Father-Curtis Childress, Mother- Ida M
Hodge,
Grandfather-James M Hodge, Grandmother-Sallie-R.B. Thompson, Two of the
Aunts were Bertha A and Betty Hodge. Three first Cousins were-Lucille, Mary
and Ollie Bell Stapleton.
Being new at Researching, I copied it to read later, but it did not pertain
to the Rosa T. Childress that I am searching for. It is a 5 page report,
and will cost about $1.50 to mail. If there is only one person who needs
it, I'll be happy to snailmail it to you, if you will send me your address.
If more need it, may I ask for the postage reimbursement? Thanks, and if
anyone has any info. on Rosa T Childress whose father was Samuel W
Childress, would you be willing to share?
Fran Traylor
(ggGranddaughter of Lafayette H Childress of Virginia)
Salt lake City, Utah
I am trying to locate information about the parents of Cicero Alonzo
Childress, born Oct. 26, 1861 in Memphis, MO and died Sept. 5, 1939 in
Yakima, Washington. His father is William Pryor Childress who may have been
a surveyor in Scotland County around 1855, but I'm lost from there. Thanks
for any help.
Have you vertified the information on the CD??? Much of the information on
those CD's are nothing more than you or I sending in our group
sheets--sometimes they are good and sometimes they need research. Besides
the CDs from FTM are copyrighted and you cannot sell the information from
them.