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The book Ragland's History of Logan County, West Virginia has a Thomas
Childress listed and many other surnames.
The book can be read online at
http://metronet.com/~steele/snr/tsloghist.html
Gary
The only names I have are:
Charles Nelson Childress: b. 3-1881 d. 7-1909 (My grandfather)
His brother named Henry and a sister Mary Josephine who married Oscar Bare.
No other information.
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Childress wrote:
> Does anybody have the will of Robert Childress who died in Lincoln County,
> NC in 1787?
> Gary
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Hi Rufus,
I'm not trying to avoid your question on the source of the marriage
of Martha Ellen Owen and Tom Matthew Harrell. However, the person who gave
me this information is a direct descendant and a member of this list. She is
out of town this week and I don't feel comfortable giving her name out. I
will contact her next week and see how she feels about it.
As for Lucy Schrimsher and Charlie Albert Potts, I have some information on
them. I have Charlie's parents and Lucy's parents, also their children, some
of the spouses. I do not have spouses for John O. or Lula. If you have
additional information on this family, I'm interested. If you need the
information on this family, contact me off the list, as this list is for
Childress and I don't want to weary the members.
Peggy
Hi Peggy, Robert Uel Childress was my ggg grandfather. I am very interested
in your information. May I ask the source of the information that the
marriage Martha Ellen Owen and Tom Matthew Harrell took place at Thomas M.
Schrimsher and Mary Owen (maiden name?). (I am not challenging just would
like to know.) I don't have information on a Mary Owen that matches your
Mary Owen.
Do you have anything on the following?
Lucy Schrimsher married Charles A. (Charlie) Potts on Aug 30, 1868
Rufus Reed
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I am not in a direct line in the Childress family though I am related. John
Dimue Owen married Katherine P. Childress, daughter of Robert Uel Childress.
Their daughter Martha Ella Owen was married at the home of Thomas M.
Schrimsher and Mary Owen. I believe the Martha Ella and Mary were related,
but have no proof.
Also, my great-grandmother's sister, Margaret A. Williams married John
Alonzo
Childress Dec 25, 1883.
I am related to the Schrimshers, Williams, Moons, Potts, and Burgess
families
also. All of these married into the Childress family.
Peggy
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Dear Ralph Childers,
Thanks for your patience in waiting for me to respond to your queries about
colonial wills. I can offer you this. I have summarized below our previous
e-mails so that this text is complete for the Rootsweb archives for those
researching Joseph and Mary Childress of Amherst, or their children Joseph
Jr, Jesse, Reuben, Shadrack and Major.
The maiden name of Mary, wife of Joseph Childress, had heretofore been
presumed to be a "Faris," based on a Will of Robert Farris in Henrico Co.,
VA. But that identification has serious flaws and probably will not
withstand closer scrutiny.
I reach that conclusion because of my judgment, that pursuant to the customs
of the 18th century, the 1783 will of Robert Faris would have named every
and all heirs including the grandchildren Joseph Jr, Jesse, Reuben, Shadrack
and Major, had they been heirs.
When Robert Faris named a daughter Mary Childers and ONLY ONE Grandson
Joseph Childers, the presumption is that Joseph had no brothers or sisters,
otherwise they must be mentioned or the will is set aside as incomplete or
contestable in Chancery Court later on. The fact that Robert Faris didn't
mention Jesse, Reuben, Shadrack and Major, known children of Joseph-and-Mary
Childress of Amherst County, VA, is indicia that he had no grandchildren by
those names. Therefore Mary Faris is unlikely to be the Mary of
Joseph-and-Mary Childress of Amherst.
In answer to your question "Would attorneys have prepared colonial wills?"
In the colonial era many persons were quite close to death when they drafted
their wills. Two-fifths of all wills were probated within 1 year after being
WRITTEN. Nearly three-fifths were probated within two years. Many colonials
put off the preparation of a will until they fell ill or felt some
premonition of death. This tendency undoubtedly swelled the ranks of the
intestate (those dying without wills). For instance, even James De Lancey,
the lieutenant governor of New York, neglected to declare a will before
dying suddenly on 30 July 1760, at age fifty-seven. His failure to
anticipate death is striking given his family obligations, his legal
training, and his personal history of severe asthma attacks. Judge Henry
Swinburne of York, writing in 1590, complained that too many Englishmen
prepared wills in their final days. He attributed this practice to a popular
superstition, especially strong among the "ruder and more ignorant people,"
that a man would hasten his own death by declaring a will while he was still
in good health. To execute a testament was somehow to tempt fate. Colonial
wills were commonly written in the face of death rather than in reflective
estate planning anticipation of death.
The answer is, during the colonial period, attorneys often composed wills
without signing as witnesses, and therefore it is impossible to determine
the precise number of persons whom they served. It is certain, however, that
trained professionals drafted the wills for a broad spectrum of persons
rather than confining their practice to the economic elite. Despite the of
attorneys in the 1700s in drafting wills, attorneys still competed with
persons who may have had some degree of legal knowledge but who were by no
means professionally trained (e.g., scribes, court clerks, schoolmasters).
One schoolmaster, John Nathan Hutchins of New York State, signed his name as
the last witness and apparent scribe of eleven wills executed between 1756
and 1774. The majority of his clients appear to have been drawn from the
middling ranks of society: three shopkeepers, three artisans, two mariners,
one laborer, and one merchant. Although the use of scribes was common
throughout the colonial period, a considerable number of merchants and other
well-to-do persons were probably sufficiently acquainted with the law to be
able to draft their own wills. A holographic testament, or one written in
the testator's own hand, did not require the signature of any witnesses if
it could be proved in court that the handwriting was that of the deceased.
In answer to your other question, as to "Who would set aside a will, and at
what point in the process," the contesting party would ordinarily be a
member of the family who was not mentioned - hence the need to mention all
children (or grandchildren) and leave a shilling to each if nothing more.
The process of contesting the will would ordinarily take place at the time
of probate but could be brought afterwards in Chancery Court.
Mark Childress
Hello all,
It has been a while since I have written to the list but I'd like to
give my names again. I have been at a loss for so long now. My husband's
great grandmother was Martha "Ellen" Childress b. in 1851 in Coles Co.,
Illinois. She married Samuel C. Broughton in Independence, Ks. Samuel was
born in Noble Co., Indiana and served in the Civil War with the 21st Illinois
regt. Co. B. They came to Washington State in the early 1900's and are both
buried here. I have found many picture with Childress names but don't know
the relationships. Don't know who Martha's parents were. Here are some
names that I am hoping will ring a bell with someone on the list:
Dick Childress, Roy Childress, Edwin P. Childress (married to a Florence
Grishom) there is also a J.H. Childress and a Mary Childress. I know that
some of these people lived a time in Kansas. I am going to Illinois next
summer so will hopefully find more info.
Thanks and help appreciated!
Kathy in Washington
I am not in a direct line in the Childress family though I am related. John
Dimue Owen married Katherine P. Childress, daughter of Robert Uel Childress.
Their daughter Martha Ella Owen was married at the home of Thomas M.
Schrimsher and Mary Owen. I believe the Martha Ella and Mary were related,
but have no proof.
Also, my great-grandmother's sister, Margaret A. Williams married John Alonzo
Childress Dec 25, 1883.
I am related to the Schrimshers, Williams, Moons, Potts, and Burgess families
also. All of these married into the Childress family.
Peggy
Indiana Jack, as Mary Wright said, we have two Childresses (at least) killed
in the civil war:
George Burton Childress who was killed at the battle of Corinth on October
3, 1862 and his twin brother, Hugh Martin Childress, who was killed at Baton
Rouge on July 5, 1863.
Do you have anything on these two?
Rufus Reed
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Subject: [CHILDRESS] Civil War family members
Anyone who has not been in touch with me. I'm looking for any civil war
Childers/Childress info. Facts or family lore, to combine with my files
for
a future reference material that will be free to all one way or another.
Will
answer or try to, any CW questions on Childress/ Childers as well.
I hope to have a web site of all my information up and going by Christmas.
Would really love to include family photo's of civil war
men please sent a copy e-mail if you can thanks a bunch Jack> Indiana Jack
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I wanted to add one more thought about Pleasant Childers and the use of
Childers and Childress misspellings.
I am not concerned about misspellings in census records other documents in
the handwriting of clerks...I am only concerned about finding documents in
the HANDWRITING OF THE ANCESTOR that seem contradictory to other documents
that are also in the HANDWRITING OF THE ANCESTOR .
Gary
List Members,
There is a Pleasant Childers, Revolutionary War Veteran, whose descendants
appear split on how to spell their names, Childers or Childress.
This is what I know.
There were several acts passed by Congress that provided for pensions to
soldiers and their families. The pension laws evolved and became more
expansive as to whom was eligible for pensions. After the death of Pleasant
Childers his widow Sarah applied for benefits under some of the recently
passed acts in the 1830’s that permitted widows and children to receive
benefits.
Her sons were deposed by the government clerk and they gave testimony as to
qualifying for the benefits due their father. The government clerk appears,
in his handwriting, to faithfully record their statements. Towards the end
of the document the handwriting changes for one sentence in which the heirs
are named. Based on the handwriting sample of Nathaniel Childers, who signs
at the bottom of this deposition, it appears that the clerk asked Nathaniel
Childers to fill in the names of the family members and asks the family
members present to sign their names, which is done. The name "Childers"
appears to be written a total of 3 times by these descendants. However,
after filling in their names and signatures, I surmise that Nathaniel
noticed that the CLERK throughout the text of the document had been spelling
their surname as "Childress" not "Childers" as the descendants had signed.
There then appears to be a overwrite of the SIGNATURES of the DESCENDANTS
and the spelling of "Childers" by the descendants seems to be crudely
altered in two instances to "Childress" and in the third instance the name
"Childers" is just crossed out with 3 hatch marks but left as "Childers". I
suspect that the descendants fearing that they wouldn’t receive the
government pension if their signatures didn’t match the clerk’s spelling
altered their signatures to conform. The Pension was approved and issued by
the government to the widow "Sarah Childers". The government files record
Pleasant as a Childers and I am persuaded he is of true Childers heritage.
Modern descendants of Pleasant Childers, however, appear to be encountering
the fact that this line has confusion. In some lines of Pleasant, the
Childress name stuck. In others it didn’t. I am not an expert on the
descendants of Pleasant Childers, but if you encounter ancestors switching
for no apparent reason... one reason might be that there is a link to the
Pleasant Childers lineages.
Some caveats however. Pleasant Childers had children with some of the same
names used by unrelated Childress lineages. For example, there is a Jesse,
son of Pleasant Childers. But Jesse is also a name used in a number of
Childress lines that have nothing to do with Pleasant Childers. You have to
be sure you are connecting to the right descendant.
There are, in some counties, Childress and Childers living next to or in
proximity to each other and may even be involved, from time to time, in
joint transactions together, knowing the same neighbors and witnessing
similar documents of their neighbors. One has to be vigilant upon finding
two different spellings in the same county that the two different spellings
may in fact indicate two different families in the same county as opposed to
one family using two spellings.
The lure of pension money or military benefits may have caused pressure on
some families other than Pleasant Childers to conform when necessary to the
spelling they found on government documents, creating dual signatures.
If you have copies of original documents that show conflicting signatures of
your ancestors, that is the kind of document we eagerly collect here and
would welcome seeing what you are looking at. I request this of every
researcher who makes the claim that their ancestors are using both names. I
only receive original source material about 20% of the time that I request
it of researchers making the assertion, however. So I hear more rumors than
I actually see evidence of myself. Nor can I tell when researchers are
linked to and looking at the confusion created by the Pleasant Childers
line. I am all eyes and ears if anybody out there has copies of original
documents they want to send me.
Gary Childress, 8403 Seranata Drive, Whittier, CA 90603-1054
Co-Listowner
Hi list I wanted to add my thoughts on the Childress and Oliver connection.
Those two families where also closely related in the Walker County, GA area
and they did move to Arkansas and then on Texas.
There is my two cents worth!
Linda
You people they have the TN Childress, that went to TX. Please check your
files for Sally Ann Childress (Childers,) that married Daniel Murray CRIST in
TX ca 1839. They lived in what is now Anderson CO TX.
Thanks
Gladys
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Gary has asked me to list this information on the list. Since I corresponded
with him, I have found listed in the Goodspeed History of Coffee County, TN,
the listing of Wyatt, Moses and Hiram Childress as well as a John Childress.
Maybe this will help someone to help me find the parents of Wyatt, Moses and
Hiram. Mattie
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I have written to you about the following family, but have more information
now than I had when I wrote to you. I was wondering if you have ANY
information that would be of help.
Thomas (some say William) Russell Childress, wife Lucendy, may be from
Franklin or Coffee Co, TN. Children as follows:
1. Moses Birdwell Childress, born 3 Mar 1805, TN, married in TN Eliza Jane
Oliver, d/o Andrew Oliver and Mary Lackey from Coffee Co, TN, was in TX
between 1843 and 1848. Was on 1850 Shelby Co, TX census.
2. Hiram Cotterell Childress, born 4 Apr 1812, TN, married in TN Zeno
Smith, was on 1845 taxlist in Shelby Co, TX. Was on 1850 census, Shelby Co,
TX
3. Wyatt Stubblefield Childress, born 1814, TN, married 17 Jan 1839 in
Franklin, TN to Mariah Muse, daughter of Thomas J. Muse, Sr. and Kiziah
Lasater. He was a minister and sent to TX, Shelby Co. about 1846 with some
other families from Franklin Co. Was on 1850 Shelby Co, TX census.
4. Susan Childress, born 17 Aug 1816, married Leroy Brawley (Braley) 4 Dec
1844 in TN, son of Samuel Braley and Margaret McSpadden. Came to Shelby Co,
TX bet. 1850 and 1860. Was on 1860 Shelby Co, TX census.
5. Felix--No further information
6. P. (female) married James McCollum in Franklin Co, TN on 14 Jun 1838.
No further information.
The Muse and Oliver families also camre to TX with the Childress. This of
course has varied in spelling from Childers to Childress, but marriage and
census for the most part has been found spelled as Childress. This is the
present day spelling. It is believed that the error was on the record keeper
and not the family. I would appreciate any information you might have on the
parents of these children. There is a William Childress, I believe on the
1830 Franklin Co census that might be the right one. I have not found a
Thomas, nor any mention of a Russell. Please help if you can. Mattie
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I am interested in the Virginia Childresses. My ancestor was Samuel
Childress, brother of Benjamin (in the Rev. War) and Royal.
Any connections?
Geneen Dakin
Palm Springs, CA
George Burton Childress b. 22 Nov. 1833
d. 3 Oct. 1862
Hugh Martin Childess b. 22 Nov. 1833
d. 5 July 1863
Looks like Bartlynn mcCoy has the birth order wrong.
Hugh Martin, SR comes in 1800 just right after Robert in 1799 (busy people
they).
Sorry for the typos.
Mary Wright
Anyone who has not been in touch with me. I'm looking for any civil war
Childers/Childress info. Facts or family lore, to combine with my files for
a future reference material that will be free to all one way or another. Will
answer or try to, any CW questions on Childress/ Childers as well.
I hope to have a web site of all my information up and going by Christmas.
Would really love to include family photo's of civil war
men please sent a copy e-mail if you can thanks a bunch Jack> Indiana Jack
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Mary, I would love all the information. If that is too much to send, please
send stories, and whatever you feel is most pertinent. If you want to send
by computer, I have Family Tree Maker, Version 6, and also Microsoft Office
2000. If you prefer to send by mail, I'll be glad to pay the postage and any
other cost. My address is:
Peggy Nerren Grisamore, 6559 Woodpark Cove,
Bartlett, TN 38135
Thank you very much for being so willing to share your information.
Peggy
How much do you want? I can go from HMC. Sr to current generations. My
husband is gggrandson on the maternal side of HMC, Sr. I also have some
stories also. Mary W.
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Date: Sunday, November 21, 1999 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [CHILDRESS] William Childress of NC- Mary Wright
>Dear Mary,
>
> Your Hugh Martin was the brother of Robert Uel Childress then? I
>only have Robert Uel Childress and their children in my database. Would
you
>mind sharing the information on Hugh Martin and his family?
>
> Thank you very much,
>
> Peggy Nerren Grisamore
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The Hugh Martin that you have is my Hugh Martin's nephew. He had a twin
George Burton and they were both killed in the Civil War. My Hugh Martin, SR
and his son Hugh Martin (Mart), JR were in TX during the Mexican War and
Mart fought for the south in the Civil War. Mary W.
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Date: Sunday, November 21, 1999 1:44 PM
Subject: RE: [CHILDRESS] William Childress of NC- Mary Wright
>Mary, I have Hugh Martin Childress as being born in Madison County, Alabama
>in 1833 to Robert Childress and Temperance Connally and dying in Baton
>Rouge, Louisiana in 1863. What part of Texas have you tracked him to?
>
>Rufus Reed
>
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>Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 10:00 AM
>Subject: Re: [CHILDRESS] William Childress of NC- Mary Wright
>
>
>In a word, NO. As we agreed several month ago, there are several Williams
>and thus far I have not research any of them. At present I am in
>communication with the TX Ranger Museum to see if Hugh Martin lists his
>parents on any information they have on him. I will let you know if
anything
>surfaces. Thanks Mary W.
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>Date: Sunday, November 21, 1999 3:23 AM
>Subject: [CHILDRESS] William Childress of NC- Mary Wright
>
>
>>Dear Mary Wright,
>>I was just re-reading some old e-mails of yours regarding the possibility
>>that William Childress was the progenitor of the line you are researching
>>(Robert Uel Childress, Hugh Martin Childress et al). This William,
>>according to your e-mail, did not have any children prior to 1793 when his
>>first child Jane Armstrong Childress was born....
>>
>>Have I got it right?
>>
>>Phrased another way, your William Childress had NO children prior to 1793
>>when he was living in North Carolina.
>>
>>I was looking at 1790 Census records for North Carolina and find 4 William
>>Childress/Childers
>>1) A William Childers in Burke County, with 3 children under 16 in 1790.
>>2) A William Childress in Guilford County with one child under 16 in 1790
>>3) A second William Childress in Guilford County with one child under 16
in
>>1790
>>4) A third William Childress in Guilford with NO children in 1790 (A match
>>to your criteria)
>>
>>I was wondering if you have researched the Guilford County, NC Childresses
>>at all?
>>
>>Regards,
>>Gary Childress
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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