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Author: James_R_Davis
Surnames: Cagle, Carter, CHILDRESS, DAVIDSON, GEDDIE, Graves, Haught, Helms, Logan, Minshew, Phillips, Terry, WEAVER, Williford, Wilson
Classification: queries
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SURNAMES included below: Cagle, Carter, CHILDRESS, DAVIDSON, GEDDIE, Graves, Haught, Helms, Logan, Minshew, Phillips, Terry, WEAVER, Williford, Wilson.
I'm looking for WEAVER, DAVIDSON, CHILDRESS, and GEDDIE descendants who might know about the murder near Gilmer, Upshur Co., TX of my Martha Susan WEAVER GRAVES LOGAN ?????? b.ca.1856-d.ca.1883.
I'm interested in Martha Susan WEAVER b.ca.1856. The story I have from my mother-in-law in the 1970's goes like this.
Martha m1.ca.1872 Mr. GRAVES and had Mary ca.1873 and Joseph T. b.ca.1875 (he m. Sally CAGLE)
--- - - - Mr. Graves died about 1875-1877
Martha m2.1877 James R. LOGAN and had Ola L. 1879-1912 (she m. William L. TERRY) and Laura b.ca.1880
--- - - - James R. Logan died ca.1880
Martha m3.ca.1880 wealthy farmer with metal plate in his head.
--- - - - Wealthy famer kills wife, some kids, 1 negro boy, and himself in 1880's near Gilmer, Upshur Co., TX.
Martha comes from this WEAVER family:
John Thomas WEAVER 1831 GA-1912 Ark, m.ca.1859 GA to Nancy E. ____ 1834- .
--(after 1870 they moved to Upshur Co., TX and were there up to 1900, then Little River Co., AR in 1910.)
--Anna - - - - - - - - b.ca.1852 GA m. HAUGHT
--Martha (Susan) b.ca.1856 GA, m1. GRAVES, m2. James R. LOGAN, m3. ?? got murdered?
--Sarah - - - - - - - -b.ca.1858 GA-1931 Upshur Co., TX, m.1876 Upshur Co., TX James A. DAVIDSON - see below
--Seaborn Jackson b.ca.1860 GA-
--Aden/Adam - - -b.ca.1861AL-
--Joseph C. - - - - -b.ca.1864 AL-
--Mary Frances (Fannie) b.1870 AL, m1.ca.1890 Upshur Co., TX James H. MINSHEW, m2. ___ PHILLIPS
I wonder if any of the descendants of the siblings of Martha Susan know anything about her murder?
Here is a short list of descendants of Sarah WEAVER 1858-1831 who m. James A. DAVIDSON.
Have you heard the story of the man with the metal plate killing Sarah's sister Martha?
James A. DAVIDSON and Sarah WEAVER Family
--Sarah WEAVER- - -b.ca.1858 GA-1931 Upshur Co., TX, m.1876 Upshur Co., TX James A. DAVIDSON ca.1854 TX-
----(in Upshur Co., TX 1880/1900/10/30)
----Emma DAVIDSON - - - - 1877 TX
----Richard T. Davidson - - - 1878 TX-1961 Shelby Co., TX m. Eliza Jane Wilson ca.1887-
----(In Upshur Co., TX 1920/30/40)
------James Davidson - - - - - - - 1906 TX-
------Mitchell Davidson - - - - - -1909 TX-
------Lula Davidson - - - - - - - --1910 TX- m. Johnnie CARTER 1905 KY-
--------Mae Vonne Carter - - - - - - 1929 TX-
------Sallie Davidson - - - - - - - -1912 TX-
------Richard T. Davidson - - - -1913 TX-1962 Dallas
------Evelyn Davidson - - - - - --1915 TX-
------Lucille Davidson - - - - - - -1920 TX-
------Fayrine Davidson - - - - - - 1924 TX-
----John Davidson - - - - - - - -1880 TX-
----Solon Davidson - - - - - - - 1885 TX-1940 Harrison Co., TX m. Pearl Helms 1893 TX-
------(in Upshur Co., TX in 1920)
------Grady Davidson - - - - - - - -1912 TX-
------Odell Davidson - - - - - - - - -1915 TX-
----Evelyn Pearl Davidson - -1888 TX-1873 Upshur Co., TX m. William A. CHILDRESS 1879 TX-
----(In Upshur Co., TX 1910/20/30/40)
------Hugh W. CHILDRESS - - -1906 TX- m. Monnie Williford 1910 TX-
--------Newlyn Jane Childress - - - -1931 TX-
--------Billy Royce Childress - - - - -1935 TX-
--------Gery Hugh Childress - - - - - 1941 TX-
------Alice Childress - - - - - - - - -1907 TX-1998 TX, m. Robert GEDDIE 1907 TX-
--------(in Bowie Co., TX in 1940)
--------Robert GEDDIE - - - - - - - - -1933 TX-
--------John Geddie - - - - - - - - - - - -1937 TX-
--------James Michael Geddie - - - -1941 TX-
------Loy Childress - - - - - - - - - -1912 TX-1978
------John Childress - - - - - - - - --1917 TX-
------Odell Childress - - - - - - - - -1918 TX-
------Imogene Childress - - - - - -1920 TX-1975 Kaufman Co., TX
----Winnie Davidson - - - - - - -1891 TX-
----Jim Davidson - - - - - - - - - 1894 TX-
----Joseph Jackson Davidson 1897 TX- m. Jessie 1914 TX-
------(in Upshur Co., TX in 1940)
------Mary Jo Davidson - - - - - - 1932 TX-
------Charles Henry Davidson - 1936 TX-
Peace,
James R. Davis, 6708 Austin Way, Sacramento, CA 95823
james.davis1 at sbcglobal.net - - - - 11/27/13
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Was there a 2nd Childers/Goolsby marriage ca 1760 Amherst/Albemarle Co VA?
See QUERY and RESPONSE below:
posted 2013 by Warren Forsythe – genealogy126 (at) fairpoint.net
BTW: The (FIRST) well-documented Childers/Goolsby marriage ca 1755 there
concerns family ancestries posted at
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=AHN&db=townsendthos&id...
[RESPONSE BY VIRGINIA CHILDERS HANKS IS BELOW THE QUERY]
!2013nov in response to a QUERY, as a post-em note, of about 2 Nov 2013
Database: townsendthos
Individual: I10664
Link:
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=townsendthos&id=I10664
Name: Bill Davidson
Email: tunnelm (at) verizon.net
URL:
URL title:
Note:
It is known that a Henry Childers (a great-grandson of Philemon Childers "I"
and Mary Evans) married Susannah Goolsby. Note: quite a few files on the
internet show incorrectly that it was an Abraham Childers who married
Susannah Goolsby, but that Abraham was actually the second husband of the
widow Mrs. Susannah (Lax) Childress (a daughter of William Lax)....the
first/earlier husband of Miss Susannah Lax MAY have been a Benjamin
Childers/Childress, per one researcher. Is there any documentation that
truly proves that a Joseph Childers also married a Miss Goolsby? There was
a Joseph Childers (born 1743) who supposedly married a Mary Farris, and the
ongoing "James River Viking Childers Clan" research team has a living male
Childers DNA donor who shows his lineage back to that Joseph and Mary
(Farris) Childers. The DNA results from that DNA donor show an
"association" with the line of Abraham Childers "I" (who married Jane Ann
Howard) versus with the line of the related Phi!
lemon Childers "I" (who married Mary Evans). This DNA result could be
"off"....since using DNA to show "who is more closely related to whom" in
cases like this is not always 100% accurate....but almost all of the other
DNA donors from this overall Childers family have DNA results that
"associate" those donors perfectly with the "expected ancestor." It APPEARS
that the Joseph Childers who married Mary Farris had the following ancestors
(despite what the DNA is showing us): 1) Philemon Childers "I" (married
Mary Evans), 2) Thomas Childers (married Mary Holmes, Mary Cannon and/or
Mary Milner), 3) John Childers (married Mary Royall/Royal) and 4) Joseph
Childers (married Mary Farris). IF the DNA is an accurate reflection of the
correct line, however, then this Joseph Childers was instead out of Abraham
"I" versus out of the Philemon "I" shown above. As to the other/separate (I
PRESUME) Joseph Childers who supposedly married a Miss Goolsby....I wonder
if he was the true/actu!
al son of John and Mary (Royal) Childers (out of Philemon "I")!
, and in
that scenario, perhaps the Joseph Childers who married Mary Farris was
instead out of one of the descendants of Abraham "I" (as the DNA result
implies)? If this "scenario" should actually be correct, however, I have no
idea at this time as to who the father (out of Abraham "I") of the Joseph
Childers who married Mary Farris could have been. Comments on any of this?
Thanks!
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REPLY TO QUERY from Virginia Childers Hanks author of
several family trees from the Childers-Childress Family Association, such as
- These links worked 8 Nov 2013:
http://original.childers-childress.com/henrychilders
and
http://original.childers-childress.com/spanning
!2013nov response to above Query by Virginia Childers Hanks
-
(1)First Category of questions: Should you change your family tree?
-
You should await the Childers DNA test instigated by Lorlei Jane Keep (widow
of Harry D. Metke) and the results might become available any day now:
during Nov. was the prediction; although evaluation of results might take
longer. Tommie “Tom” Lee Childers of Oregon, an apparent descendant of
Henry Childers of Amherst Co VA in late 1760s, submitted his DNA to Lorlei’s
daughter for evaluation. The resuts could possibly change our thinking on
Henry Childers’ forbears.
-
(2)Question section two:
While you used the word “known” concerning descent of Henry Childers born ca
1730 from that particular Philemon Childers—
HOWEVER that descent of Henry from Philemon is not proven. Enough
circumstantial evidence might be considered a preponderance of evidence:
The circumstantial situations in this case include:
The date of the settlement of the estate of Abraham Childers of Roundabout
Swamp in VA coincides with the mid 1750’s time Henry Childers of Amherst Co
VA 1760s married and moved upriver in vA with the Goolby family.
DOCUMENTATION includes a court case: Albemarle Co VA court papers 1744-1785
page 13, seen in the abstract book of those court records published by
Benjamin B. Weisiger.
2nd DOCUMENT CITED: is a Land Acquisition: VA Land Patent Book 31: 20 Sep
1751 – Sept 1775, part II
3rd DOCUMENT CITED, or continuation n of 2nd citation: Records of the sale
of the father Abraham Childers’ land are in THE PLEASANT VALENTINE PAPERS.
(3)Question section three:
Speaking of Goolsby family:
Mary Goolsby: did she marry Joseph Childers of AmherstCo VA (roughly near
1760)?
The late Mark Childress of CA claimed that Joseph Childers did not marry
Mary Farries, but instead married Mary Goolsby. His reasoning against the
bride being Mary Farris is that her father’s will named only the one son
Joseph Childers (Jr.) and did not mention the other children of Joseph and
Mary. Frankly I (Virginia Childers Hanks) question Mark Childress’s
reasoning. The law of primogeniture was strong in colonial VA and some men
listed only their eldest son of grandsons in their wills, even though the
younger children were alive and well.
So when Mark Childress stated that Joseph’s wife was Mary Goolsby, I
wrote to him for confirming evidence—but he died before I received an
answer. I understand that Mark Childress had hired a researcher in
Albemarle Co VA to go through the courthouse records [maybe of Amherst Co VA
and/or Albemarle Co VA] to gather records of surnames like Childers and
variant spellings. I asked cousin Tom Childers [of Oregon mentioned above –
of email address: user633879 (at) aol.com ] to check on Mark Childress’s
results on Mary Goolsby & Joseph Childers. I gaveTom Childers the email
address of the brother of the late Mark Childress. The borther replied that
Mark’s papers were voluminous, unsorted, and unfiled, and were ot be given,
or had been given, to a library. The borther said that he had not looked at
the papers, and did not have the time to sort and file them. So that is as
far as I got with the Mary Goolsby & Joseph Childers puzzle.
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(4) Goolsby family of Albemarle Co VA area IN GENERAL
The Goolbys either did not make will or they have not survivied time and
wars; so I have not learned a lot of family information, especially not in
regards to female members of Goolsby family. There are about four
generations of Thomas Goolsbys from circa 1650 to Susannah Goolsby’s father
who did make a will and did name his daughters. Any of those earlier Thomas
Goolsby families could have had a daughter named Mary; Susannah’s father did
not have a daughter Mary. Any Mary Goolsby married that Joseph Childers of
Amherst Co. VA ca 1760s—would have been a contemporary of Susannah Goolsby
and probably not contemporary of an earlier generation. This [Mary Goolsby
as bride?] is possible but I have seen no record of such.
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CHILDRESS Raymond E Jr
Norman Guiling photographed this gravestone in the Cahill Cemetery, Parker
Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your personal records.
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CHILDRESS Raymond E Jr
Norman Guiling photographed this gravestone in the Cahill Cemetery, Parker Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your personal records.
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