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Mary Jean,
I would suggest a few more cups of coffee. Let's try again.
Here is the subject (from your post)
JOHN CHILDERS to ABRAHAM CHILDERS, SEPT. 2, 1727
As you said, and I agree, this was a land transaction where John, son of
Abraham II and Ann(e) Pew(Pugh), sold the 100 acres left him by his
grandfather Henry Pew(Pugh). The question is -- who is the Abraham he sold
it to? Simple enough? Just identify Abraham. A hint. You previously said
he was the son of John. Dennstedt said he was the brother of John. I am
asking you why you thought it was the son instead of the brother.
Green Ayres
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>Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2006 10:18:48 EDT
>
>
>
>Green,
>
>My opinion, based on the date, the Will of Abraham naming a son JOHN and a
>son named ABRAHAM. John and Abraham were brothers, sons of Abraham and his
>wife, ANNE PEW, her father being HENRY PEW, named in the deed as
>"Grandfather".
>Abraham, (father of Abraham and John) being the son of Abrah CHILDRES of
>the
>1656 deed with Wm Harris - Unless I haven't had enough coffee:)
>
>
>MaryJean
>
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Green, Steve, List -
I have not checked the CFA about this land plat map. However, if anyone
wants a copy and has a fax, I'll be glad to fax it.
Green, the map I have from "Childress Chatter" which was in the possession of
Garland Childress, the land appears to be more than 140 acres.
MaryJean
Green,
My opinion, based on the date, the Will of Abraham naming a son JOHN and a
son named ABRAHAM. John and Abraham were brothers, sons of Abraham and his
wife, ANNE PEW, her father being HENRY PEW, named in the deed as "Grandfather".
Abraham, (father of Abraham and John) being the son of Abrah CHILDRES of the
1656 deed with Wm Harris - Unless I haven't had enough coffee:)
MaryJean
Steve, Mary Jean and List,
There are a number of problems in the data that Mary Jean posted and also
what is on the CCFA site. I'm going to hold back on a full discussion for
now, but will note that the 140 acres that Abraham bought form William
Harris is likely somehwere within the land boundaries on the CCFA map -- I
haven't looked at it in any detail yet -- but that the area claimed appears
to be considerably larger than 140 acres. And Steve, it was actually
important to have what Mary Jean posted on this for when we do discuss this.
It makes a good starting point for that discxussion.
Green Ayres
>From: "Steve Stevens" <steve.stevens(a)verizon.net>
>Reply-To: steve.stevens(a)verizon.net, childress-research(a)rootsweb.com
>To: <childress-research(a)rootsweb.com>
>Subject: Re: [CHILDRESS] MAPS of 1656 PARCEL - ABRAH CHILDRES - Wm HARRIS
>-1656
>Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:37:32 -0400
>
>Too much effort MJ. It is on the CFA website. Also, looks like the
>competition has done some good. They have finally updated the site with
>more information. Everyone here should give a look.
>
>http://www.childers-childress.com/deepbottom.html
>
>Regards,
>Steve
>
>
>
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>Subject: [CHILDRESS] MAPS of 1656 PARCEL - ABRAH CHILDRES - Wm HARRIS -
>1656
>
>
>
>Everyone -
>
>
>RE: The discussion of a possible (paper) map for the land which Abrah
>Childres bought from William Harris in 1656 was in the following -
>
>SOURCE:
>
>"CHILDRESS CHATTER", APRIL 1984, ISSUE 20 - PAGE No. 4, 5, 6 - TWO MAPS and
>Comments were sent in by GARLAND CHILDRESS - 4807 Ranchland Drive,
>Louisville,
>KY 40216 -
>
>PAGE NO. 5 -
>
>VIRGINIA LANDS SETTLED BY ABRAHAM CHILDERS (Childres), of the JAMES RIVER,
>1656 - (GARLAND CHILDRESS) -
>
>As close as I am able to ascertain, the boundary of Abraham Childers 1656
>land purchase, is as I have marked on the 1981 7.5 minute, 1:24000 scale,
>U.S.
>Geological Survey Map (copy). Original in color, can be purchased for
>$2.00,
>and contains the complete DUTCH GAP quadrangle of which this copy is only a
>small part.
>
>Should another researcher have further data, proof or disproof of my
>conjecture, please advise me of your findings, and together we can present
>a
>document
>of a more historical value. Following is my presentation of findings based
>on
>the 1656 DEED, and the 1690 Will of John Pleasants.
>
>WILLIAM HARRIS - AB. CHILDERS (Childres) DEED of 29 FEBRUARY 1656 AT CURLES
>OF THE JAMES, HENRICO -
>
>"Beginning at a pine tree a little above the houses of the said Childers,
>and
>standing by the river (James) and on the lower side of Morgan's Landing and
>soe running downe the (James) River to the Curles (1) swamp at the old gard
>(2), and from thence along the side of the (Curles) (3) swamp and meadow to
>an
>oak tree so one goes into the meadow close by the Curles (4) path, from
>thence
>on a straight line into the pasture to a parcel of oaks standing in the
>ridge,
>next above a place called the 18 lengths of boards, and from thence to the
>former line a straight line."
>
>FOOTNOTES and COMMENTS -
>
>1. CURLES SWAMP noted on earlier maps as being at the CURLES of the JAMES
>and
>FOUR MILE Creek.
>
>2. The "OLD GUARD" probably referred to a type of pole gate in a fence.
>This
>guard, (gate) perhaps opened on a road or path, leading to a boat landing
>at
>the south of Fourmile Creek at the James River.
>
>The "houses of the said Childers" referred to above, probably stood on the
>present day, narrow ridge above the river, and near the small cemetery just
>south of the Deep Bottom Road.
>
>3. The relationship of the ABRAHAM CHILDERS (Childres) lands to the Curles
>Swamp is noted in the will of JOHN PLEASANTS, dated 27 Sept. 1690 in which
>he
>refers to "Land bought of ABRAHAM CHILDERS (Childres), (JR.) lying on ye
>South
>Side of Four Mile Creek, and bounding upon Curles Swamp, containing 580
>Acres.
>
>4. The "Carte Path" was probably the present day KINGSLAND ROAD.
>
>I have made no attempt at establishing a relationship of the present shore
>line to the original farm. The Tidewater section of the James has, for the
>past
>three hundred years, changed and reshaped the shoreline of the CHILDERS
>lands
>especially after land along the shore had been cleared of trees. If
>ABRAHAM
>could return today, he probably could not find the old home place from a
>river
>vantage point. The same thing, to a much greater James River sites of
>history.
>
>Compiled 30 October by: Garland K. Childress. My greatest thanks to Mr.
>Mac
>Childears for his efforts in obtaining the maps from Washington, D.C.
>*************************************************************************
>
>JAMESTOWN MAP -
>
>In comparing this official map of Jamestown with the 1937 map by: HENRY C.
>FOREMAN (July 1983) issue of the "Childress Chatter" it would appear he was
>referring to PASSMORE CREEK when he listed ORCHARD RUN. If this be the
>case, LOT
>#10 owned by CHILDERETH would be at the head waters of PASSMORE CREEK, and
>LOT
>#6 would be located at the head of the marsh of COOGEHILL, Near the site of
>1607 JAMESTOWN. - END -
>****************************************************************************
>Did you note the name of the person mentioned, Childears and Childereth?
>
>This included two pages of maps. I'll try to read it so that what is above
>and below might help with this project?
>
>The shape of the parcel is very similar to the shape of GEORGIA, so keep
>that
>in mind.
>
>FOUR MILE CREEK can clearly be seen running along the top of the property
>and
>GRIGGS POND is above the property, center. To the left of the parcel named
>KINGSLAND. Bottom left of the parcel - DEEP BOTTOM - Parcel NORTH of JONES
>CREEK - EAST of the parcel is - CURLES NECK ROAD. Bottom right (as in a
>Georgia
>map would be Savannah - is CURLES SWAMP. Northeast of the parcel is
>written -
>BAILEY. East of BAILEY is "THE SPLASH". Southeast of parcel is SITE OF
>CURLES, JEFFERSON, MARCH 1751.
>
>I hope this has been helpful. I don't know if my fax is capable of
>scanning
>these maps, but I can check on that. If any of you have a fax and you want
>this faxed to you, let me know! I have to wonder if CFA has a copy of this
>map
>on their site? I haven't seen it there have any of you?
>
>MaryJean
>
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Mary Jean and List,
I think you misread what I was asking about. My question was who was the
Abraham? I did not question that John sold the 100 acres he inherited from
his grandfather Henry Pew. You said John sold it to his son Abraham, not
only in that post but in a previous post based on the abstract. I think it
is important to know which Abraham we are talking about here. Dennstedt
says this
On 2 Sept. 1725 Abraham purchased for 1400 pounds of tobacco from his
brother John the 100 acres bounded by John Price his cousin and Joseph
Atkins his half-brother he received from his grandfather Henry Pew by will.
Witnesses were Richard Dean and John Davis.
So she believed the land transaction was between brothers and not father and
son as you said. My question is do you have data to support what you said,
that John sold the land to his son Abraham?
Green Ayres
>From: MJCV25(a)aol.com
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>To: childress-research(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [CHILDRESS] JOHN CHILDERS to ABRAHAM CHILDERS, SEPT. 2, 1727
>Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 14:56:10 EDT
>
>
>
>Green,
>
>Re: John - Abraham - Deed - 1727 - Henrico -
>
>
>Thank you, glad to help. I apparently worded that wrong. Land sale -
>Abraham
>- Land given to JOHN* in the Will of his grandfather, Henry Pew.
>
>We (I think) have established that Abrah Childres, in the 1656 deed with
>William Harris, did have a son named Abraham, because of the wording of the
>1681
>deed - John Pleasants and Abraham Childres, Jr. and his wife Anne Childres.
>This suggests the ancestry tree this way - Is this the way you see it?
>
>1Henry Pew
>
>2Anne Pew married Abraham Childres, Jr
>
>3Abraham Childres
>3Henry Childres
>3Phillomon Childres
>3John Childres*
>3Robert Childres
>
>
>MaryJean
>
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Too much effort MJ. It is on the CFA website. Also, looks like the
competition has done some good. They have finally updated the site with
more information. Everyone here should give a look.
http://www.childers-childress.com/deepbottom.html
Regards,
Steve
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Subject: [CHILDRESS] MAPS of 1656 PARCEL - ABRAH CHILDRES - Wm HARRIS - 1656
Everyone -
RE: The discussion of a possible (paper) map for the land which Abrah
Childres bought from William Harris in 1656 was in the following -
SOURCE:
"CHILDRESS CHATTER", APRIL 1984, ISSUE 20 - PAGE No. 4, 5, 6 - TWO MAPS and
Comments were sent in by GARLAND CHILDRESS - 4807 Ranchland Drive,
Louisville,
KY 40216 -
PAGE NO. 5 -
VIRGINIA LANDS SETTLED BY ABRAHAM CHILDERS (Childres), of the JAMES RIVER,
1656 - (GARLAND CHILDRESS) -
As close as I am able to ascertain, the boundary of Abraham Childers 1656
land purchase, is as I have marked on the 1981 7.5 minute, 1:24000 scale,
U.S.
Geological Survey Map (copy). Original in color, can be purchased for
$2.00,
and contains the complete DUTCH GAP quadrangle of which this copy is only a
small part.
Should another researcher have further data, proof or disproof of my
conjecture, please advise me of your findings, and together we can present a
document
of a more historical value. Following is my presentation of findings based
on
the 1656 DEED, and the 1690 Will of John Pleasants.
WILLIAM HARRIS - AB. CHILDERS (Childres) DEED of 29 FEBRUARY 1656 AT CURLES
OF THE JAMES, HENRICO -
"Beginning at a pine tree a little above the houses of the said Childers,
and
standing by the river (James) and on the lower side of Morgan's Landing and
soe running downe the (James) River to the Curles (1) swamp at the old gard
(2), and from thence along the side of the (Curles) (3) swamp and meadow to
an
oak tree so one goes into the meadow close by the Curles (4) path, from
thence
on a straight line into the pasture to a parcel of oaks standing in the
ridge,
next above a place called the 18 lengths of boards, and from thence to the
former line a straight line."
FOOTNOTES and COMMENTS -
1. CURLES SWAMP noted on earlier maps as being at the CURLES of the JAMES
and
FOUR MILE Creek.
2. The "OLD GUARD" probably referred to a type of pole gate in a fence.
This
guard, (gate) perhaps opened on a road or path, leading to a boat landing at
the south of Fourmile Creek at the James River.
The "houses of the said Childers" referred to above, probably stood on the
present day, narrow ridge above the river, and near the small cemetery just
south of the Deep Bottom Road.
3. The relationship of the ABRAHAM CHILDERS (Childres) lands to the Curles
Swamp is noted in the will of JOHN PLEASANTS, dated 27 Sept. 1690 in which
he
refers to "Land bought of ABRAHAM CHILDERS (Childres), (JR.) lying on ye
South
Side of Four Mile Creek, and bounding upon Curles Swamp, containing 580
Acres.
4. The "Carte Path" was probably the present day KINGSLAND ROAD.
I have made no attempt at establishing a relationship of the present shore
line to the original farm. The Tidewater section of the James has, for the
past
three hundred years, changed and reshaped the shoreline of the CHILDERS
lands
especially after land along the shore had been cleared of trees. If ABRAHAM
could return today, he probably could not find the old home place from a
river
vantage point. The same thing, to a much greater James River sites of
history.
Compiled 30 October by: Garland K. Childress. My greatest thanks to Mr. Mac
Childears for his efforts in obtaining the maps from Washington, D.C.
*************************************************************************
JAMESTOWN MAP -
In comparing this official map of Jamestown with the 1937 map by: HENRY C.
FOREMAN (July 1983) issue of the "Childress Chatter" it would appear he was
referring to PASSMORE CREEK when he listed ORCHARD RUN. If this be the
case, LOT
#10 owned by CHILDERETH would be at the head waters of PASSMORE CREEK, and
LOT
#6 would be located at the head of the marsh of COOGEHILL, Near the site of
1607 JAMESTOWN. - END -
****************************************************************************
Did you note the name of the person mentioned, Childears and Childereth?
This included two pages of maps. I'll try to read it so that what is above
and below might help with this project?
The shape of the parcel is very similar to the shape of GEORGIA, so keep
that
in mind.
FOUR MILE CREEK can clearly be seen running along the top of the property
and
GRIGGS POND is above the property, center. To the left of the parcel named
KINGSLAND. Bottom left of the parcel - DEEP BOTTOM - Parcel NORTH of JONES
CREEK - EAST of the parcel is - CURLES NECK ROAD. Bottom right (as in a
Georgia
map would be Savannah - is CURLES SWAMP. Northeast of the parcel is
written -
BAILEY. East of BAILEY is "THE SPLASH". Southeast of parcel is SITE OF
CURLES, JEFFERSON, MARCH 1751.
I hope this has been helpful. I don't know if my fax is capable of scanning
these maps, but I can check on that. If any of you have a fax and you want
this faxed to you, let me know! I have to wonder if CFA has a copy of this
map
on their site? I haven't seen it there have any of you?
MaryJean
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Everyone -
RE: The discussion of a possible (paper) map for the land which Abrah
Childres bought from William Harris in 1656 was in the following -
SOURCE:
"CHILDRESS CHATTER", APRIL 1984, ISSUE 20 - PAGE No. 4, 5, 6 - TWO MAPS and
Comments were sent in by GARLAND CHILDRESS - 4807 Ranchland Drive, Louisville,
KY 40216 -
PAGE NO. 5 -
VIRGINIA LANDS SETTLED BY ABRAHAM CHILDERS (Childres), of the JAMES RIVER,
1656 - (GARLAND CHILDRESS) -
As close as I am able to ascertain, the boundary of Abraham Childers 1656
land purchase, is as I have marked on the 1981 7.5 minute, 1:24000 scale, U.S.
Geological Survey Map (copy). Original in color, can be purchased for $2.00,
and contains the complete DUTCH GAP quadrangle of which this copy is only a
small part.
Should another researcher have further data, proof or disproof of my
conjecture, please advise me of your findings, and together we can present a document
of a more historical value. Following is my presentation of findings based on
the 1656 DEED, and the 1690 Will of John Pleasants.
WILLIAM HARRIS - AB. CHILDERS (Childres) DEED of 29 FEBRUARY 1656 AT CURLES
OF THE JAMES, HENRICO -
"Beginning at a pine tree a little above the houses of the said Childers, and
standing by the river (James) and on the lower side of Morgan's Landing and
soe running downe the (James) River to the Curles (1) swamp at the old gard
(2), and from thence along the side of the (Curles) (3) swamp and meadow to an
oak tree so one goes into the meadow close by the Curles (4) path, from thence
on a straight line into the pasture to a parcel of oaks standing in the ridge,
next above a place called the 18 lengths of boards, and from thence to the
former line a straight line."
FOOTNOTES and COMMENTS -
1. CURLES SWAMP noted on earlier maps as being at the CURLES of the JAMES and
FOUR MILE Creek.
2. The "OLD GUARD" probably referred to a type of pole gate in a fence. This
guard, (gate) perhaps opened on a road or path, leading to a boat landing at
the south of Fourmile Creek at the James River.
The "houses of the said Childers" referred to above, probably stood on the
present day, narrow ridge above the river, and near the small cemetery just
south of the Deep Bottom Road.
3. The relationship of the ABRAHAM CHILDERS (Childres) lands to the Curles
Swamp is noted in the will of JOHN PLEASANTS, dated 27 Sept. 1690 in which he
refers to "Land bought of ABRAHAM CHILDERS (Childres), (JR.) lying on ye South
Side of Four Mile Creek, and bounding upon Curles Swamp, containing 580 Acres.
4. The "Carte Path" was probably the present day KINGSLAND ROAD.
I have made no attempt at establishing a relationship of the present shore
line to the original farm. The Tidewater section of the James has, for the past
three hundred years, changed and reshaped the shoreline of the CHILDERS lands
especially after land along the shore had been cleared of trees. If ABRAHAM
could return today, he probably could not find the old home place from a river
vantage point. The same thing, to a much greater James River sites of
history.
Compiled 30 October by: Garland K. Childress. My greatest thanks to Mr. Mac
Childears for his efforts in obtaining the maps from Washington, D.C.
*************************************************************************
JAMESTOWN MAP -
In comparing this official map of Jamestown with the 1937 map by: HENRY C.
FOREMAN (July 1983) issue of the "Childress Chatter" it would appear he was
referring to PASSMORE CREEK when he listed ORCHARD RUN. If this be the case, LOT
#10 owned by CHILDERETH would be at the head waters of PASSMORE CREEK, and LOT
#6 would be located at the head of the marsh of COOGEHILL, Near the site of
1607 JAMESTOWN. - END -
****************************************************************************
Did you note the name of the person mentioned, Childears and Childereth?
This included two pages of maps. I'll try to read it so that what is above
and below might help with this project?
The shape of the parcel is very similar to the shape of GEORGIA, so keep that
in mind.
FOUR MILE CREEK can clearly be seen running along the top of the property and
GRIGGS POND is above the property, center. To the left of the parcel named
KINGSLAND. Bottom left of the parcel - DEEP BOTTOM - Parcel NORTH of JONES
CREEK - EAST of the parcel is - CURLES NECK ROAD. Bottom right (as in a Georgia
map would be Savannah - is CURLES SWAMP. Northeast of the parcel is written -
BAILEY. East of BAILEY is "THE SPLASH". Southeast of parcel is SITE OF
CURLES, JEFFERSON, MARCH 1751.
I hope this has been helpful. I don't know if my fax is capable of scanning
these maps, but I can check on that. If any of you have a fax and you want
this faxed to you, let me know! I have to wonder if CFA has a copy of this map
on their site? I haven't seen it there have any of you?
MaryJean
List -
If anyone can recall or if you have an old "Childress Chatter", then did you
see the land plat for Abraham? I did. I have to find the Chatter and see if
this is what we're talking about.
Lee? Have you got the "Childress Chatter" that has the land map (paper) ? I
think it was done by Garland Childress? Thanks to anyone who has this land
map. I am gonna search for it today, will let you know.
MaryJean
Bill,
Welcome to the list! I look forward to your sharing the information you have
on your ancestor, Tabitha Childres or Childress, who married Hezekiah
Davidson and the other links to Davidson you've discovered. Looking forward to it!
We do like to discuss on this list, so maybe those who have the time, can help
with what you and I have discussed. Especially the Smith - Davidson
connections. I'm counting on it! Be sure to see the Steve Stevens website (Childres -
Childers) and if you need the web address, let me know!
MaryJean
Green,
Because of information provided by Bill Davidson in his email to me. Bill
Davidson descends from Tabitha Childres, daughter of Abraham Childres and
Elizabeth Cannon. Tabitha married Hezekiah Davidson (in error, named Dawson, in the
CFA will book) born 1720c died 1790c Cumberland County, VA. Bill and I have
corresponded for quite some time and I have encouraged Bill to join our list
and he has. He posted a message today to the list. I hope that Bill will
share his information with us. He's discovered some good information (new to me)
which has to do with Philemon Childers, Sr. and his daughter, Mary SMITH.
MaryJean
Green,
Re: John - Abraham - Deed - 1727 - Henrico -
Thank you, glad to help. I apparently worded that wrong. Land sale - Abraham
- Land given to JOHN* in the Will of his grandfather, Henry Pew.
We (I think) have established that Abrah Childres, in the 1656 deed with
William Harris, did have a son named Abraham, because of the wording of the 1681
deed - John Pleasants and Abraham Childres, Jr. and his wife Anne Childres.
This suggests the ancestry tree this way - Is this the way you see it?
1Henry Pew
2Anne Pew married Abraham Childres, Jr
3Abraham Childres
3Henry Childres
3Phillomon Childres
3John Childres*
3Robert Childres
MaryJean
I am new to the list. I am a descendant of Hezekiah (b. abt. 1720-d. 1793
in Cumberland Co., VA) Davidson and his wife Tabitha Childers.
Just thought that I would add this comment. I have seen at least two cases
(concerning other surnames) where the oldest son, or a son who was already
well established, was not even mentioned in his father's will. That
certainly does not help those of us who are interested in genealogy, but
that was apparently the case from time to time.
Bill Davidson
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From: "Steve Stevens" <steve.stevens(a)verizon.net>
To: <childress-research(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 6:11 PM
Subject: Re: [CHILDRESS] Abraham Childers WILL - 1693 or 1698? The Probate
date?
>I am back, tired, but back. Nel and I agree on dates. As Nel said, it is
> not necessary to have a witness when one writes a will, probate is another
> issue.
>
> Another thing I believe I need to bring up is that it is not necessarily
> the
> oldest son who inherits the estate. In some circumstances where the older
> children have already established themselves and households, the younger
> may
> inherit the homestead with reserve to the mother until she has passed.
>
> Regards,
> Steve
Steve,
Thanks for writing. This particular will had to many dates! A real issue
was reading the original copy! I agree with you and Nel on the date of the will
and the probate.
MaryJean
Hello All -
I received two emails today from an Abraham Childress (married Elizabeth
Woodson, and ? and Lucy Thomas Neville) descendant, Bill Davidson, whose ancestor
was TABITHA CHILDRESS who married DAVIDSON. TABITHA was the daughter of
ABRAHAM CHILDRES and first wife, ELIZABETH CANNON. Bill and I have been
communicating for a while now and have worked together on his branch of Childress -
Davidson.
In the meantime, Bill has found further connections between his Davidsons and
another Childers family, that of PHILEMON. Bill has sent me the message info
from SMITH genforum which you will find very interesting. Also important
would be the birth date for MARY CHILDERS who married Humphery SMITH who they say
was born 1655. They give the proof for the birth date due to a deposition
Humphery gave in Henrico County, VA which stated his age.
Humphery Smith married Mary who was the daughter of PHILEMON Childers or
Childres/s. In the above message they say that PHILEMON CHILDERS was married to
MARY. I have the original copy of his will dated 1716 Henrico and probate of
1717. Philemon's children were - PHILLOMON, ABRAM, THOMAS and a daughter, MARY
SMITH.
Bill said in his email that he now knows he is descended from TWO major
Childers/ress lines. That of Abraham Childress who named a daughter TABITHA and of
whom married the DAVIDSON and now the later DAVIDSON connection to SMITH,
same family as above.
PLEASE SEE THIS - Smith Family Genealogy Forum -
http://genforum.genealogy.com/smith/messages/20868.html
The above information is very important in that we can use this information
to determine the age and relationship between ABRAHAM CHILDRES (1656 deed) and
PHILEMON, at least I believe it to be so! Depending on the sources and any
other accurate information. I would like your opinion. I think this just might
be a break through.
MaryJean
Dear Nel and list,
The will of Abraham Childers is one that is entirely different from any of
the other original copies from CFA Will Book. Meaning the mixture of months and
two different years, 1693 and 1698. I see what you mean Nel:) I suppose if
my copy were clearer, there wouldn't be any doubt. For you to see, CFA
abstracted the will as it appeared and it is this way -
ABRAHAM CHILDERS WILL
HENRICO COUNTY, VIRGINIA
7 JUNE 1698
>From the actual original copy, it is not presented this way - Maybe I am
making more of it than should be! However, I still find it odd. Since no one
seems to have the CFA will book, they can't comment on what the original copy
looked like -
Here is how the original copy appears - (lines and all:)
HENRICO JUNE _______1698 " " " " " " " " p 78
____________________________________________________
At a Court held in Varina for the County of Henrico, June the first 1698 -
Etc.
____________________________________________________
In the name of God Amen, I Abraham Childers of the County of Henrico, James
River Planter, doth this sixth day of December 1693 make and ordaine this my
last will and testament in manner and forme following vis:
[Bulk of the WILL and on to the next page]
Pa. 79 Henrico County _____________1698
_____________________________________________________
[Bulk of the rest of the original copy of the will]
Sealed Signed & published
Abraham Childers Seal with tar or black wax (to the right of the document)
Richard RF Franklin
Abigall T Wakefield Henrico County June the ______1698
proved in open court by the oath of Abigall Wakefield one of the
(subscribed?)_______wittnesfs (witnesses).
Test. James Cocke Cc C.
[Other names appear not readable in my copy]
probattd. All those hath and administration C' (not clear, but may be
Abraham) - - - - - office in Aprill Gen ll Court Am - - - - are - - -in page 96
(appears like g6)
James Cocke Cc Test.
END -
If the will of Abraham Childers was written in 1693 and probated in 1698, we
need to be sure. I admire the determination of CFA to transcribe these wills
and deeds, some are VERY difficult to read. However, what annoys me as a
researcher is when a surname is not spelt the way it was written in the original
copy. A case in point would be the 1656 deed between Wm Harris and Abraham, the
latter name is spelt CHILDERS in the CFA book index and yet, the actual
original copy says ABRAH "CHILDRES", his son's (Abraham) surname was also CHILDRES
in the 1681 deed and in the CFA index it was "CHILDERS".
So my point I guess would be this type of issue, which have to be confirmed.
We can go with 1693 for Abraham Childers will, unless the court clerk's 3 was
really 8 !! Thanks for your help!
MaryJean