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Dear List -
We've discussed certain Childress in NC records prior to (some) of their
later migration. What I've not seen on our list (unless I missed it:) would be
those in NC census / tax records during 1755 - 1779c. Which Childers or
Childress did you find in NC records before all the others? From my files -
FYI -
CHILDERS / CHILDRES -
ROBERT - - 1755 - - Granville County - Early tax list - Census -
ROBERT - - 1771 - - Bute County - Tax and Census -
ROBERT - - 1773 - - Bute County - Census
ROBERT - - 1786 - - Warren County / Words Dist. - Census -
ALSO -
JOHN CHILDRES* - 1786 - Warren County / Whites Dist. -
NOTE - Those by the Christian name JOHN, I have four between 1782 and 1787
in NC - From my previous message - JOHN CHILDERS - 1782 Rutherford County - -
JOHN CHILDRES* - 1786 Warren County - - JOHN CHILDRESS - 1786 Surry County - -
JOHN CHILDRIS - 1786 Wilkes County -
__________________________________________________________
BUTE COUNTY, NC MINUTES of the COURT of PLEAS and QUARTER SESSIONS,
1767-1779 - Columbia, SC: SCMAR, 1994.
MAY 13, 1772 -
Ordered that (many men listed, but) ROBERT CHILDRES, do lay off a road the
best and Convenient way from the Mouth of Nathaniel Peebles road, to Col'o
Hawkins Road at or near the fork of Nut Bush Road, and the hands of etc. open
and clear the same. - (Note: If you want the names of who was involved in
this, I'll name them) -
MAY 12, 1778 -
Ordered that NANCY PAGE BALLARD a base born Child born of the body of PAMELA
BALLARD be bound to ROBERT CHILDRES until she attain to the age of Eighteen
years, the said apprentice to be learnt to read and the business of
housewifery. 95. -
NOVEMBER 14, 1778 -
An agreement between SARAH BALLARD and ROBERT CHILDRES was proved by the
oath of JOSEPH HAWKINS and Witness thereto and on Motion the same was Ordered to
be registered. -
MaryJean Childress - Voegtlin
Hi MaryJean,
Per your email, with pleasure, I shall double check what information I have on John
Childers or Childress who may have, at one time, been in and around Wilkes County, NC.
I live close to the NC Archives in Charlotte, NC and will also check there in the
coming weeks. I will post anything I find on this subject that might be different from
the information that you posted today.
Take care and we shall see what, if anything, can be found.
Kay
MJCV25(a)aol.com wrote:
> Hi Kay,
>
> I second that! On another note, as you requested, I went over all the
> original census records (including the index), I have for NC which includes Wilkes
> County. Could you compare (these) with your sources for JOHN CHILDRESS who
> lived in Wilkes from 1787 on. This is where JOHN of Knox County, born 1759
> lived per his ARW Pension. Here's who I located named JOHN. Do you have
> anything more?
>
> JOHN CHILDERS - 1782 Rutherford Co, NC
> JOHN CHILDRES - 1786 Whites Dist, Warren County, NC
> JOHN CHILDRESS - 1786 Hickman's Dist. Surry County, NC
> JOHN CHILDRIS** - 1787 - WILKES CO, NC (this is the ONLY John in this county
> for those years) - (lives near James Edmondson) -
>
> **JOHN CHILDRESS (Childris in census) living near JAMES Edmondson (spelt
> Edmonston) in the (Wilkes Co.) census. James as we now know, was father to
> Lucretia (per Virtus Edmundson) and she married JOHN CHILDRESS and it was this
> JOHN who was in the 1792/3 Wilkes County (NC) will of JAMES Edmondson. JOHN
> was named as son-in-law and also one of the Ext's. I believe you have this info
> from my earlier messages. Did I send you the info from his will?
>
> Since there were no other JOHN Childress as head of household in Wilkes Co,
> NC during 1787 and 1790, then it's suggested (at least to me) this JOHN was
> the JOHN who migrated to Knox County, TN. To refresh your memory (on what I
> have) JOHN, while under oath, in his pension application (ARW) said, he left
> VA for Burke Co, NC for one year, then to Wilkes County for 7 to 8 years,
> this would cover the time I found him as head of household, between 1787 and
> 1790 and living near JAMES Edmondson, father of Lucretia Edmondson Childress
> who had died before the will of her father.
>
> The only other's (Head of Household), I have for WILKES CO, were James
> (1782) Mitchell (1782) and Miller Childress, but they were not living near JOHN
> Childress and JAMES Edmondson. And they weren't named JOHN:) These are all I
> found IN Wilkes County and only one by the name of JOHN.
>
> A reminder to, that JOHN Childress who migrated from Wilkes County (per his
> pension app) died intestate. This is when the ROBERT CHILDRESS vs BETSY
> Hynds (August 17, 1849) proved that JOHN Childress, father of the above ROBERT
> who filed this suit, had a son name JOHN who the law suit identified as JOHN
> CHILDRESS of Anderson County, TN. This son of JOHN (1759-1849) had this JOHN
> before he married to Elizabeth LINDSAY. The descendants of JOHN (born 1759)
> say that his son ROBERT was born in the year he married, "1780." According to
> the descendants of JOHN (born 1777) of Anderson Co., TN, he married a Mary,
> "Polly" KIRBY 1796, their names were spelt (Childers and Curby) in the Blount
> County, TN original marriage records. As usual, the names are in error and
> should be Childress and Kirby as proved by later documents, including the law
> suit filed by Robert Childress and Betsy Hynds in 1849.
>
> If John, son of John (1759-1849 ARW soldier) whose living in Wilkes County
> near James Edmondson, then it couldn't be his son named JOHN, he was born 1777
> (per his descendants) and furthermore, to be married in 1796 (TN) to Polly
> Kirby, that would place him as 19 years old at the time of his marriage to
> Polly (TN). As for JOHN (1759) who I believe did marry Lucretia Edmondson first,
> he would have been aged 18 at the time of their marriage. He had at least
> one child with her and JOHN (b.1777) of Anderson County, TN who married Polly
> Kirby was one of them. His birthdate of 1777 would be only 3 years before
> Robert Childress, son of John, was born. Okay, that's about it Right now, I
> see nothing to prove there was another John Childress living in Wilkes Co
> during that time frame. Also, you know I have double interest and why:) Let's
> compare notes and see if we're on the same page! Thanks girl.
>
> MaryJean
Hi Kay,
I second that! On another note, as you requested, I went over all the
original census records (including the index), I have for NC which includes Wilkes
County. Could you compare (these) with your sources for JOHN CHILDRESS who
lived in Wilkes from 1787 on. This is where JOHN of Knox County, born 1759
lived per his ARW Pension. Here's who I located named JOHN. Do you have
anything more?
JOHN CHILDERS - 1782 Rutherford Co, NC
JOHN CHILDRES - 1786 Whites Dist, Warren County, NC
JOHN CHILDRESS - 1786 Hickman's Dist. Surry County, NC
JOHN CHILDRIS** - 1787 - WILKES CO, NC (this is the ONLY John in this county
for those years) - (lives near James Edmondson) -
**JOHN CHILDRESS (Childris in census) living near JAMES Edmondson (spelt
Edmonston) in the (Wilkes Co.) census. James as we now know, was father to
Lucretia (per Virtus Edmundson) and she married JOHN CHILDRESS and it was this
JOHN who was in the 1792/3 Wilkes County (NC) will of JAMES Edmondson. JOHN
was named as son-in-law and also one of the Ext's. I believe you have this info
from my earlier messages. Did I send you the info from his will?
Since there were no other JOHN Childress as head of household in Wilkes Co,
NC during 1787 and 1790, then it's suggested (at least to me) this JOHN was
the JOHN who migrated to Knox County, TN. To refresh your memory (on what I
have) JOHN, while under oath, in his pension application (ARW) said, he left
VA for Burke Co, NC for one year, then to Wilkes County for 7 to 8 years,
this would cover the time I found him as head of household, between 1787 and
1790 and living near JAMES Edmondson, father of Lucretia Edmondson Childress
who had died before the will of her father.
The only other's (Head of Household), I have for WILKES CO, were James
(1782) Mitchell (1782) and Miller Childress, but they were not living near JOHN
Childress and JAMES Edmondson. And they weren't named JOHN:) These are all I
found IN Wilkes County and only one by the name of JOHN.
A reminder to, that JOHN Childress who migrated from Wilkes County (per his
pension app) died intestate. This is when the ROBERT CHILDRESS vs BETSY
Hynds (August 17, 1849) proved that JOHN Childress, father of the above ROBERT
who filed this suit, had a son name JOHN who the law suit identified as JOHN
CHILDRESS of Anderson County, TN. This son of JOHN (1759-1849) had this JOHN
before he married to Elizabeth LINDSAY. The descendants of JOHN (born 1759)
say that his son ROBERT was born in the year he married, "1780." According to
the descendants of JOHN (born 1777) of Anderson Co., TN, he married a Mary,
"Polly" KIRBY 1796, their names were spelt (Childers and Curby) in the Blount
County, TN original marriage records. As usual, the names are in error and
should be Childress and Kirby as proved by later documents, including the law
suit filed by Robert Childress and Betsy Hynds in 1849.
If John, son of John (1759-1849 ARW soldier) whose living in Wilkes County
near James Edmondson, then it couldn't be his son named JOHN, he was born 1777
(per his descendants) and furthermore, to be married in 1796 (TN) to Polly
Kirby, that would place him as 19 years old at the time of his marriage to
Polly (TN). As for JOHN (1759) who I believe did marry Lucretia Edmondson first,
he would have been aged 18 at the time of their marriage. He had at least
one child with her and JOHN (b.1777) of Anderson County, TN who married Polly
Kirby was one of them. His birthdate of 1777 would be only 3 years before
Robert Childress, son of John, was born. Okay, that's about it Right now, I
see nothing to prove there was another John Childress living in Wilkes Co
during that time frame. Also, you know I have double interest and why:) Let's
compare notes and see if we're on the same page! Thanks girl.
MaryJean
Dear list members,
Thanks to those of you who responded to my French oops note. Your
positive
comments where received in the spirit they were meant.
Merci,
Kay
Kay, I read your letter as well. I have spent countless hours in
courthouses and libraries and most recently have made several visits to
the local Family History center to view reels I ordered.. My cousin has
done the cemetery seaches because she lives nearby and I do not. I also
subscribed to Ancestry.com but did not renew because I could not get
beyond John Jefferson Childers. I don't want someone to do my research
for me. As I said before, I just want to get beyond my brick wall
before my aunt dies. I will welcome any suggestions you may have.
Linda
Hi Rebecca,
I just want to say that I really appreciate your writing. I do remember
you! So glad you took my advice. There's nothing that compares, in seeing it
all for yourself! Old cemeteries where our ancestor's are buried use to be a
dreaded thing, until we bond with them thru the print off an original
document. Then, we have a new outlook and a desire to know more. I hope you've had
success and will continue to! If I can be of any help to you, just ask! And
I want to add, your the type person who gives new meaning to helping others
and sharing, it makes it all worth while:) Thanks again.
MaryJean
Cody Childress, where are you from? There is a town in Halifax County
called Cody which is about 15 miles from Childry Creek and church. Perhaps
your dead end needs to investigating around there. Halifax County used to
be a part of Lunenburg County.
Regards,
Steve Stevens
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Subject: Re: [CHILDRESS] Tension within the list members
Amen, Linda. I am in the same boat. It seems that a few folks are stuck on
who has more time and experience researching our family. I hit a brick wall
years ago and I read each and every posting, saving most of them for future
reference. I am still waiting for someone to give a family tree for each of
the
three Childresses that appeared here in the 1600's. My lineage seems to stop
at 1819. Mabey one day it will happen but until then I will keep on reading
and watching.
Cody Childress
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OoPsss!!!!!! Sorry list member and others, I sent that email written
in another language to the list by mistake. Please forgive me.
Kay
!!!!!! d'OoPsss Membre désolé et d'autres de liste, j'ai envoyé cet
email écrit en une autre langue, à la liste par erreur. Veuillez me
pardonner. Kay
Bonjour MaryJean,
j'ai décidé d'écrire ma note en français au lieu de l'Allemand. Je
pense que Con est grossier et manière outre de la base avec la manière
qu'il a exprimé son message et l'a signalé à la liste. S'il voulait
dire de telles choses il devrait avoir envoyé un email privé à ceux à
qui il a souhaité être grossier. Quant à celui des femmes avec le mur
de brique, je pense qu'au lieu de faire une certaine recherche sur ses
propres elle veut que d'autres la fassent pour elle. Elle doit aller à
la bibliothèque ou aux archives où elle vit et fait sa propre recherche
au lieu d'cAttendre quelqu'un pour la signaler quelque part. Cela va
pour ce autre mâle qui a signalé le rapport qu'il avait attendu des
années pour que quelqu'un signale quelque chose qu'il pourrait employer
pour sa lignée. L'enfer sanglant, disparaissent le font vous-même et
n'attendent pas d'autres. Nous avons passé des années dans les
bibliothèques et les archives longtemps avant que le genealogy soit
devenu si populaire sur l'Internet. Mais je dirai ceci, il prend
seulement peu de gens comme Con, Gary, marque et d'autres pour la ruiner
pour moi. Être si méchant et opinionated n'est rien que je dois
accepter. Une autre chose, je ne les vois signaler rien de valeur sur
la liste ou sur les autres listes, parce que je les lis également. Trop
mauvais elles toutes doivent être si combative. J'espère qu'elles
arrêteront toute la pleurnicherie elles font et aide le furet hors de ce
qui est correct et de ce qui n'est pas et être gentil au sujet de leur
désaccord. Et s'ils sont en désaccord espoir de I que la personne qui
est en désaccord peut mettre la preuve à l'effet contraire ou le quiet
juste de subsistance.
Bien, c'est tout que je dois dire à ce sujet. Juste ne tracassez pas
avec eux et ce qu'ils indiquent MJ et Con est correct. Je suis un
ventilateur de ceux autre que qui essayez de faire quelque chose se
reposent en arrière et chienne à tout sans fournir des preuves. Faites
attention et Ted m'a répondu et j'expédierai ce qu'il a dû dire au sujet
du poteau de Con et du manque de Bob de soutien public de tous les
membres de liste. Qui sont ces personnes qui sautent vers le haut et
fiving haut les femmes qui ont menacé de stopper la liste? Donnez-moi
un!!!!!!! de coupure tous que je puis dire et ce n'est pas français,
mais est '!!!!!!!!! espagnol de CHINGA TU MADRE KAY
I appreciate all the supportive comments I received in the past 24
hours. I have decided not to unsubcribe to this list. I hope some of
you can help me find Ervin and Jennie Childers. Likewise, I hope I can
help some of you find your ancestors.
I live in Panama City, FL and have access to Bay County, FL records. I
can access records for Washingon, Jackson, Calhoun, Holmes and Gulf
counties which are in the same (legal) circuit as Bay County, although
that might require time off from work. I also have family and have done
and/or intend to do research in Barbour, Dale, Henry, and Houston
Counties in Alabama. I have relatives in those areas and visit often.
For what it is worth, I have worked in the legal system since 1973 and
have been a Certified Legal Assistant since 1985. That comes in handy
when researching legal documents in a courhouse.
Thanks again for your support and help in finding my ancestors. I look
forward to working with all of you.
Linda
Amen, Linda. I am in the same boat. It seems that a few folks are stuck on
who has more time and experience researching our family. I hit a brick wall
years ago and I read each and every posting, saving most of them for future
reference. I am still waiting for someone to give a family tree for each of the
three Childresses that appeared here in the 1600's. My lineage seems to stop
at 1819. Mabey one day it will happen but until then I will keep on reading
and watching.
Cody Childress
I've been watching the list for a few months, but nothing has appeared on my
line either. So I'm putting what I know out here in hopes that someone
might know something:
Starting with my grandfather:
George Washington Childress b. May 13, 1885 in Sinking Fork,
Christian, Kentucky
d. May 12, 1972
in Herrin, Williamson, Illinois
m. Annie Vitula Merideth b. April 11, 1892 in Trigg, Kentucky
d. November 22,
1984 in Herrin, Williamson, Illinois
G-Grandparents:
John Lemuel Childress b. January 11, 1850 in Virginia
d. October 4, 1911
in Cadiz, Trigg, Kentucky
m. Cornelia Virginia Hopper b. September 30, 1863 in Kentucky
d. August 9, 1936
in Ramsey, Fayette, Illinois
G-G-Grandparents:
Robert Henry Childress b. Abt 1813 in Virginia
d. June 1, 1893 in
either Christian or Trigg, Kentucky
m. Unknown
Here's my brick wall....I have found only two census records so far for a
John Childress b. abt 1850 having a father, Robert H. Childress from
Virginia. These are from Charlotte Co from 1850 and 1860. If these are my
ancestors, then Robert would have been married to Sarah Harris (b. Abt 1820
Charlotte, VA), daughter of Joseph and Nancy St. John also from Charlotte
Co, VA. Per the 1860 Charlotte, VA census, John had sisters Sarah A.
Childress b. Abt 1852 and Drucilla Childress b. Abt 1854. Have not been
able to locate Robert, Sarah, John, Sarah A. or Drucilla on the 1870 census
records. Robert and John appear next in Christian Co, Kentucky when he
marries a widow, Susan Virginia Hopper Moore in 1876. Three years later
John marries her daughter, Cornelia.
This Robert H. Childress had siblings of Nancy S. Childress (Harris),
possibly Lafayette H. Childress, and William T. Childress. Robert, Nancy
and Lafayette all married children of Joseph and Nancy Harris.
I've tied all kinds of folks to the family after 1850, but my brick wall is
going further back. One document suggests that Robert's parents were
possibly "Jack" and Sally Childress.
If anyone out there has anything that proves that my Robert Henry was indeed
married to Sarah Harris of Charlotte Co, VA, I'd really appreciate hearing
from you.
(And just for the record, I've heard the same stories about being related to
Sarah Childress Polk in my family, but I don't expect it to be true, as I've
pretty much debunked most of the other "stories" that I've been told about
the family!)
I don't care how much everyone argues and goes on, as long as we can get to
the truth! I've been getting a kick out of it!
Thanks ALL!
Rebecca Graham
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
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Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [CHILDRESS] Tension within the list members
> Amen, Linda. I am in the same boat. It seems that a few folks are stuck on
> who has more time and experience researching our family. I hit a brick
wall
> years ago and I read each and every posting, saving most of them for
future
> reference. I am still waiting for someone to give a family tree for each
of the
> three Childresses that appeared here in the 1600's. My lineage seems to
stop
> at 1819. Mabey one day it will happen but until then I will keep on
reading
> and watching.
>
> Cody Childress
>
>
Linda,
I searched through the subscribers and found your email address on the list
so all you need to do is send your query to CHILDERS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Bob
Linda,
You might want to also join the Childers list on Rootsweb if you haven't
already done so and post your query there. If you wish I can subscribe you to that
list and once you receive your welcome message you may post. I am the
administrator for that list along with this list.
Bob Sanders (Only made it to Sgt. in the armed forces so enjoy the promotion,
lol)
Con, I am for real and would welcome any help in gettng past my brick
wall. As I said before, my aunt has asked that family members track her
ancestors before she dies. She is 78 or 79 now. Her daughter and I
have worked for 1 1/2 years but cannot get any further than what I have
listed below:
John Jefferson Childers, a/k/a J. J. Childers, my great grandfather, was
born in Dale or Barbour County, AL on 08/06/1836. The 1860 Dale County
Census states that J. J. was born in GA. The 1880 U.S. Census states
that J.J. was born in AL, his father was born in Georgia and his mother
born in South Carolina. We have other records that put J.J. in Dale or
Barbour County during his adult life.
My mother's bible states that J.J.'s parents were Ervin Childers and his
wife, Jennie Payne Childers. After the death of another of my aunts, a
scrap of paper was found in her belongings that also listed these names.
We have no other documentation of either of these people.
It appears that J.J. was an only child which leads us to believe his
father may have died at an early age. Ervin and Jennie Childers are our
brick wall. We have found nothing regarding either of them. If you have
questions, let me know. If you have any information that might help,
please provide that.
Linda
Dear List,
As the old saying goes -- turn about is fair play -- now it's my turn.
Since I have an interest in Childress genealogy as do others it is only natural that we would like to share that information through a mailing list with the hope of learning new information. Unfortunately though for those researching the name Childress, we are presented with only two choices: the Minnie Mouse Club (complete with Minnie -- MaryJean -- and fan club) and the Mickey Mouse Club (Mickey -- Gary -- doesn't seem to need a fan club and the list shows this by its lack of activity and his apparent unwillingness to respond to questions on his posts). Given the two choices the question is where to post? For those who have actually followed my postings, you may have noticed that when sharing new information I usually try to post it to both. However, since most of the activity of late has been on the Childress-Research list it would appear that I've been focusing on that list. Here is where the one characteristic that Kay missed in her list comes into play fo!
r me --GET IT RIGHT. Maybe that isn't a Childress characteristic but a Scotch-Irish (Scots-Irish for you PC freaks) one since that is my predominate heritage. Anyway, here is where things begin to get dicey. MaryJean's posts, when she is in a sharing mode, are quite useful as long as she stays with the data. Unfortunately she, like Gary, has a tendancy to stray over into "the way things had to have been" and given Kay's list of Childress traits and my GET IT RIGHT, we are off to the races, so to speak. History, unfortunately, is nowhere near this neat or nice.
The question is whether to ignore the fan club (Teddy -- MaryJean's alter-ego, Col. Sanders -- enough said, and others -- Linda, if you are for real how about telling us where your brick wall is, and the me too Childress? group -- didn't see that characteristic in Kay's list) and continue on or find something better to do with my time. I guess the GET IT RIGHT characteristic is a little too strong, and so, I'm sure to much chagrin, I'll continue on.
Now as to getting it right. MaryJean (your rights reserved includes information shared to you by others, some of which I shared with them so drop this facade) in this post you seem to be advancing the idea that there is only one John Childress in Wilkes Co. If so, how do you reconcile
"The soldier [John Childress] resided in AMHERST Co, VA, until 1785 or 1786,
when he moved to BURKE COUNTY, NC, remain there about one year, then moved to
WILKES COUNTY, NC, there he resided seven or eight years, and from there
moved to KNOX COUNTY, TN. He was allowed a pension on his application executed
January 9, 1835, while a resident of Knox County, TN. - - - - "
with dates of June 5, 1782 and June 23, 1781.
Could it possibly be that there is more than one John Childress involved in the data you are posting?
Con