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Dear List:
Re: The Wales connection to the Philips and Williams and connected by
marriage to Childress -
Source - Gerri Williams - My comments in brackets -
I have an early accounting for the family of Josiah Frederick WILLIAMS and
Margaret Peggy Thomas PHILIPS that is VERY SKETCHY as I can hardly read it,
that tells of the family of 12 children. This account was apparently written
by an ADAIR LYON CHILDRESS [brother of John Williams Childress who wrote the
1960 "Childress Family" memoirs, also the brother of AVENT Childress]. I
don't remember how I got this information but accompanying it is a bit more. Let
me tell you about it.
The letters and information that I have that were copies of documents
provided by A.L. CHILDRESS seem to include an accounting of Josiah's WILLIAMS and
Margaret Thomas PHILIPS family. A letter written to a BETSY or BETTIE in
October of 1925. Addressee is Mrs. Bettie AVENT Murfree of Murfreesboro, TN. [of
the James Monroe AVENT family, whose son was Frank AVENT of the 1960 memoirs
who was given the house on Stones River where Joel Childress was to have
been buried in the "enclosed family plot"]. A summary of that letter states that
the Battle descendants as found in the "Battle Book" lead her to the two
daughters who married the WILLIAMS boys, i.e. Josiah and WILLIAM WILLIAMS, sons
of ELISHA WILLIAMS and SARAH JOSEY. That ELISHA had established all three of
his surviving sons on farms, WILLIAM and JOSIAH near Nashville and ELISHA,
JR. in Rutherford Co., where he also seems to have married a PHILIPS. She
states to her recipient of the letter that the book does not carry on with this
latter ELISHA JR, but is primarily about the Battle family. She surmises that
perhaps the WILLIAMS [Philips?] that ELISHA JR. married was not from this
same clan. She mentions a SELENE's letter she has in her possession tells
about the PHILIPS family history from her point of view, but A.L. CHILDRESS is
concerned that there are many errors, particularly concerning the CHILDRESS
line. Then she speaks about a family name I am not familiar with, name of
RUCKER [this is most likely SUSAN, sister of Sarah Childress Polk, who married Dr.
RUCKER] which she apparently enclosed copies of another letter regarding
this line. The letter is stamped at the top: STATE of TN, Comptroller of the
Treasury, Auditing Division, Nashville (TN) and then there is a Manuscript
Section AC NO 11?2 (it's blurred).
Included with this is the following:
"Concerning the PHILIPS family of Tennessee in relation to the CHILDRESS
family of Murfreesboro, TN and being excerpts from a letter to Adair LYON
CHILDRESS at Nashville in the year 1925 by his aunt, SELECO CHILDRESS LIGHTHALL,
youngest child of JOHN WHITSETT CHILDRESS SR. and MARY PHILIPS CHILDRESS, his
second wife." Then it goes on...The PHILIPS side I have in book form, also
Drake. You are connected very closely with the PHILIPS family; your grandmother
(my father's first wife) was MARY (?) SARAH or SALLY WILLIAMS, daughter of
ELISHA WILLIAMS and MARY (I think) PHILIPS, the sister of my grandfather JUDGE
PHILIPS, whose father (?) PHILIP PHILIPS, came to Tennessee from Tarrytown,
New York [this place has not been proven, other sources state he had come
from Wales to PA] with land grants from the Government in the year 1784 [see
followup messages regarding the deeds and clerk records for TN]. You see from
this that the PHILIPS and CHILDRESS families came about the same time [I
assume she meant TO Tennessee?].
John Whitsitt Childress Sr md. Mary Philips (second marriage) -
Elisha Williams Jr. md. Mary (Polly) Philips -
Philip Philips md. Mourning Purdy [this is in error per his 1797 will] -
Joseph Philips md. Mary Crager of NY -
Joseph Philips md. Ann (of Surry England) -
Taken from Col. Wharton Green's history of the PHILIPS FAMILY -
"My grandfather Joseph PHILIPS was the second son of PHILIP PHILIPS, PHILIP
PHILIPS was the eldest son of JOSEPH PHILIPS and MARY CRAGER. Colonel Aroun?
(garbled name) was a great grandson of JOSEPH PHILIPS and ANN unknown of
England." -
Typed at Nashville, October 24th, 1935, by A.L. CHILDRESS. [Adair Lyon
Childress] -
More to follow -
MaryJean
Greetings MaryJean,
Just letting You know I received your test...as I've (hopefully!) received
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To EACH OF YOU, generously sharing your time and efforts concerning any
Childress puzzle pieces, I sincerely and gratefully give a huge THANK YOU always!
Debbie
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Dear List:
Would any of you have copies of letters which were written by A. Lyon
Childress? Lyon was the brother (correct me if I'm wrong) of John Williams
Childress who wrote the 1960 "Childress Family" memoirs.
The discussion we've had on the list regarding the tombstone of Joel
Childress, led me to search (online) for any type of clue about the location of the
properties Mr. Childress mentioned in his memoirs. Also, if there were more
than one property and who owned them. And could there have been other graves
within, what he described as an "enclosed family plot" where Joel Childress
grave would have been.
I've been corresponding with a knowledgeable (Williams-Philips) researcher
(Gerri Williams) who kindly shared with me her family information. During our
correspondence, it became clear to me, that there were other Williams and
Philips families in the Nashville area of TN. Gerri said there were letters
from an A. Lyon Childress in which he discussed his Williams and Philips.
Lyon's brother didn't discuss them in his 1960 memoirs, only the Avents and later
marriages. He did mention one earlier name, Polly Sevier who he said was the
mother of Elizabeth Whitsett, which was in error, she was Sarah Thompson of
Scottish ancestry.
While sorting thru the earliest Clerk and Deed records (1784-96) for TN, I
located Philip Philips name in 15 entries, also additional Philips and
Williams in those records. The Philips and Williams were the ancestors of John
Williams Childress (memoirs).
I've corresponded with three Philips researchers, read their information
along with Gerri Williams and the most constant and striking statement I read
was, "Came from Wales in 1755, some say 1725." This was not the first time I
had read this before, it appeared in the "Philips Philips Family" section of
"Early Settlers of Alabama" (Col. James Edmonds Saunders, 1899). But, it seems
to be unanimous with those I've corresponded with! The data Gerri Williams
shared, suggest the Wales connection to the Philips and also the connection to
the Williams. Both of whom I've read were originally from Wales.
Now you could say, while reading this message, what does ALL this have to do
with the Joel Childress ancestry? Since we only have Mr. Childress's
childhood memory about the purported engravings on the tombstone, we know that his
ancestry thru his great grandmother's (both wives of John Whitsett Childress,
SR) came out of Wales and by every account I've read, in the year 1755. One
other opinion was as early as 1725. Of note, one branch of Williams and
Philips migrated from North Carolina to TN and being well established, their
homes are listed on the historic register of TN. One Philips and Williams
families came from Wales to PA and the family migrated to VA, KY and TN. The
other from Wales to NC and then to TN.
The real issue here is the supposed Childress "1745 crossing" we've read so
much about on the Childress-List. Once more, I pose the question to you all.
Could this supposed 1745 reference by John Williams Childress in his
memoirs, have been confused with that of his great grandmother's ancestry? Not
only did John Whitsett Childress Sr, son of Joel Childress (tombstone story)
marry one woman of Welsh ancestry, but TWO women of direct Welsh ancestry.
Sarah Williams and Mary Philips, both of whom were Welsh. And accordingly from
the same family. Mary Philips grandfather was said to have come from Wales in
1755, note THE date!? Not only did these two women who married Joel's son
have one family member to come from Wales in 1755 and some say 1725, but, an
entire family! Is it just me, but does this not sound just a little to
familiar? It's absolutely stunning!
If any of you have information from the letters of A. Lyon Childress, I
would really appreciate your sharing. I have excerpts from the letters and when
I organize the information I have and that of Gerri Williams and others I'll
share it with the list.
Thanks!
MaryJean
PS: Mr. Listowner Bob, I'm sending you a copy just in case this doesn't come
thru!
Dear List:
Are there any of you who might have historical information (earliest) on
Nashville and the surrounding area's? If you do, would you please post what
information you have on the WILLIAMS and PHILIPS (one L) of Nashville (Davidson,
Rutherford Counties) TN? Or for that matter, anyplace in TN during the
earliest time.
I've been corresponding with a Williams researcher, whose family line
connects to PHILIPS. We've discussed John Whitsett Childress SR and his two
spouses, one being his first, Sarah J or H. WILLIAMS, daughter of Elisha Williams,
JR., the other being, Mary PHILIPS. Of these two marriages, there were 10
known children. One child was John Whitsett Childress, JR., son was John
Williams Childress who wrote the 1960 "Childress Family" memoirs, we've previously
discussed on the list.
From what I've now read, there were two distinct PHILIPS families in early
TN. From several other family histories and my family history out of "Early
Setters of Alabama", (Col. James Edmonds Saunders, 1899), However, there is
confusion between the two Philips and Williams lineage's. However, one key
statement (excerpts) from these histories is this: "Came from Wales, 1755, land
surveyors, early settlers (1791c) of Rutherford, Davidson, Nashville, etc."
-
We know that John Whitsett Childress SR, son of Joel and Elizabeth Whitsett
Childress married twice. The issue with his wives are, who exactly were
they? What branch of Philips and Williams are they, who were their parents and
where did they come from?
From reading my relative's book, the two wives were first cousins, because
Sarah's mother was Mary Philips (wife of Elisha Williams JR.), whose brother
was "Judge" Joseph Philips, his daughter also married John Whitsett Childress
SR. However, the Williams researcher I'm corresponding with has another
Joseph (D) Philips as father of Mary who married John Whitsett Childress SR. She
quoted early histories out of the Nashville area of which I've not read.
In the 1960 memoirs, Mr. Childress didn't write about his (Williams and
Philips) grandparents ancestry, but according to the researcher I've been
corresponding with, there were letters from A. Lyon Childress in which he discussed
his Williams and Philips's. Do any of you have copies of these letters? I've
published on the list some Childress letters, but none discussed these two
families who had originally come from Wales to America and by most accounts,
1755.
I made time to go thru the earliest known (1784) Clerk and Deed records
(online) for any Williams and Philips. I found many records for Philip Philips
who my relative wrote about in his book (above). Philip was in Nashville
clerk and deed records as early as 1784. In that earliest time, a John Philips
has one record. After this point, I saw about 7 other's of this spelling
(Philips) in and around Nashville, TN.
As soon as possible, I'll post the information I've located, so that you
have a clearer picture of Philip Philips and other Philips, who were in the
earliest records (I've found) in the Nashville area of TN. I guess you all could
say, what point is all this? I believe the point is the 1755c arrival from
Wales to American and the Philips families and two of their descendants
having married John Whitsett Childress SR, grandfather of John Williams Childress,
author of the 1960 memoirs. The mere mention of the Philips arrival in
1755c from Wales sparks interest enough for me!
So, if you would, please check your files for anything I've mentioned
regarding letters, historical locations, histories, books and etc. Lets see if this
can be sorted out! Thanks!
MaryJean
http://www.scarsdaletoday.com/article1569.html
Obituary: Mary Adair Childress Moore
Mary Adair Moore of Brevard, N.C. passed away peacefully on Sunday
evening, July 27th, 2003. She was born in 1909 to Mr. and Mrs. Avent
Childress of Scarsdale, New York, where she spent her childhood and
married life. She graduated from The Spence School in New York City. In
1933 she married Oscar Moore by whom she had two sons: Eric B. Moore
and the Rev. Dr. Peter C Moore. She is also survived by six
grandchildren and five great-grandchildren. In the 1940s she founded
her own business, The Maizie Shop, which operated successfully under her
management, and for many years afterwards in Hartsdale, N.Y.She was the
great-great-grand- daughter of John Childress from Tennessee, whose
sister, Sarah, became First Lady Mrs. James K. Polk, and she was the
great- grand-daughter of James Adair Lyon, Moderator of the Confederate
Presbyterian Church during the Civil War. An avid sportswoman, she won
many titles in tennis and platform tennis (paddle), including six
national championships in the latter. She was inducted into the
Platform Tennis Hall of Fame in 1970. In mid-life she experienced the
redeeming grace of Jesus Christ and subsequently moved to Canaan, N.H.
where she lived on a hilltop farm in a home which she helped to build.
She won the New Hampshire State Womens Tennis Singles Championship five
times into her late 50s. She also narrowly missed being elected to the
N.H. State Legislature. In 1987 she moved to Charlotte, N.C. to be with
her eldest son and family. She is remembered as a wonderful mother
having a positive disposition, as one who turned adversity into
opportunity, as a lover of the Truth of Gods Word, and as one who
handled the vicissitudes of growing older to the admiration of all who
knew her. Special thanks are due to Mrs. Mary Lovingood and to the
administration and staff of Carolina Care Center in Cherryville, N.C.
for the tender care they provided over the last ten years. A memorial
service for her is planned for later this summer. Moody-Connolly
Funeral Home in Brevard is serving the Moore family.
===============================================
GEORGIA LOU ADAIR CHILDRESS
Funeral services for Georgia Loui Childress, 79, Caney were conducted
Sunday, April 5, at 2 p.m. at the First Baptist Church in Caney with
Rev. Bob Johnson officiating.Burial was in the Caney Cemetery under the
direction of Atoka Funeral Home. A housewife, she was dead on arrival at
Atoka Memorial Hospital on April 2, 1992. Born in Caney on January 15,
1913, she was the daughter of George Mattison Adair and Erma Catherine
Gilbert Adair. She was a member of the First Baptist Church in Caney.She
was married to Lawrence Millard Childress at Durant on Sept 19, 1932. He
preceded her in death. Survivors include on son, Bob Childress, ; a
daug, Iris; six grandchildren,nine great-grandchildren, four sisters,
Bernice; Ruby; Ruthylene; and Myrtie , two brothers, Joe Adair, and
Royal Adair; several nieces and nephews and a host of friends.Honorary
pallbearer was Warren Hopkins. Active pall bearers were Gary Green,
Robert Childress, Darrell Roland, Richard Roland, T. A. McBride and Kent
Soward.
Submitted, April 14, 2000, by her niece Erma Byrum Tankersley.
okietank(a)atoka.net
============================================
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/DEES/2003-07/1059319036
ETHEL WELDON BAILEY born 19 June 1879. She
married ADAIR L CHILDRESS.Child of ETHEL BAILEY and ADAIR CHILDRESS is:
i. HARRIET CHILDRESS, m. JOHN C TUNE.
=============================================
Dear List,
Have any of you on the list, seen copies of letters written by A. Lyon
Childress, brother of John Williams Childress who wrote the 1960 Childress
memoirs? Lyon was to have written them about 1935. They pertain to the Williams
and Philips side of his ancestry. To refresh you memory, both brothers were
the grandsons of John Whitsett Childress SR whose first wife was Sarah Williams
and the second wife was Mary (E?) Philips, both were said to be first
cousins.
If you've got any info from these letters, I would really like to know their
content.. Thank you!
MaryJean
Hi List,
Since we had previously discussed the Davis connection to Childress, thought
this would be of interest to everyone. Con, you had asked about the Samuel
Davis in NC who married a Childress. There was also an orphan record I
previously published to the list. Also the mention of Zackary Davis and if he
might be connected to the Davis in our discussions. His will names a daughter
with last name of Childress. Please make note of the information below.
"Bedford County, Virginia Wills, 1788 -1803 -
ZACHARY DAVIS WILL, 5th January 1791 -
To my WIFE, Margaret -
To my Children - Samuel DAVIS, Isaac DAVIS, Lettice Johnson, ELIZABETH
CHILDRES, Richard and Zackary DAVIS.
NOTE - Also mentioned - "My wife, Margaret and my beloved friend and brother
Henry Haynes."
Will probated, 22nd June 1791 - Signed/ Zachary DAVIS
SOURCE: Virginia Records, Compiled by, Mrs. Gladys James Meadows, Salt Lake
City, Utah records - Organized and typed by Dr. John Rison Jones, Jr,
Huntsville, AL - Childers - Childress Clearinghouse, Research Bulletin, Fall, 2001
(Pages 408-431) Publishers: Dr. Bob & Jo Ann Childers.
Hi List,
Would anyone know of this Childress family?
1850 W. Ky Census by Sistler - National Archives (Morrow, GA)
Caldwell County, KY - 1850 Census -
337-839 -
CHILDRESS, Henry H., age 40
CHILDRESS, Ailey A. - age 39
CHILDRESS, Samuel - age 20
CHILDRESS - William B. - age 18
CHILDRESS - James H. - age 15
Other than the above, the following were also listed in the index -
CHILDRESS, Richard, aged 40 -
CHILDRESS, William, aged 24 -
CHILDRESS, William, aged 66 (He was born in VA, married Nancy Wilkerson and
migrated to this part of KY during 1839-40c)
Anything you might share if you know of these, please let me know. Thanks!
MaryJean
Dear List:
Con,
You've already mentioned some of these, but I also see some of the other
surnames we've discussed, some marriages are earlier than others. Source: J. R.
Childers (compiled by), "Childers/Childress Tennessee Records, 1780-1900" -
Johanna Lucinda RUCKER married Robert B. JETTON, Nov 6, 1850
Susan C. RUCKER married James PHILLIPS, Nov 6, 1850
Susan CHILDRESS married DR.William Reed RUCKER Nov 11, 1819, Rutherford
County, TN. [Joel and Elizabeth Whitsett Childress daughter]
Mary Wills SANSOM married Anderson CHILDRESS, Williamson County, TN, Dec 14,
1820.
Susannah THOMPSON married James CHILDRESS, Nov 15, 1796, Knoxville TN.
Mary THOMPSON married Thomas CHILDRESS, July 21, 1876 Davidson County, TN.
Mary J. THOMPSON married William K. CHILDRESS, Jan 18, 1849, Shelby County,
TN.
Minnie THOMPSON married W.O. CHILDRESS, Jun 13, 1879, Dyer County, TN.
Martha Angeline CHILDRESS married John Bales THOMPSON, c1856 TN.
Mary CHILDRESS married Col. James Monroe AVENT, TN (no date).
Sarah Josey WILLIAMS married Maj. John Whitsett CHILDRESS, Dec 29, 1831 TN.
Mary E. PHILLIPS married Maj. John Whitsett CHILDRESS, NO DATE.
Martha Elizabeth PHILLIPS married James Holman CHILDRESS c1880, TN.
Martha C. WILLIAMS married Robert H. CHILDRESS, Dec 15, 1861, Knox County,
TN.
Sarah WILLIAMS married Robert H. CHILDRESS, 7 Sept 1874, Knox County, TN.
MaryJean
It's a shame egos have to come into research. Imagine how much could be
accomplished if they were set aside.
BTW anyone have any info on John Royal Childress of Augusta County, VA (NOT
THE KY CLAN) or are these CHILDRESS lone rangers?
Regards,
Steve Stevens
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Subject: Re: [CHILDRESS] Philips and Williams - From MaryJean
Childress-Voegtlin
Con,
What happened between the last message and this one to change your mind?
I'm sorry you misunderstood me:) I only meant, that I know "where" the
Whitsett's and the Polks came from before they migrated to TN. As I said,
they came
out of NC. I'm privy to documentation on their earlier activities in NC,
because of the great sources I've had. As you read from my last message, I
gave you my opinion based on what you asked me and the list. I also made
known
to you what I had made notes on with reference to what you asked. Why do
you
feel you would be wasting your time?
I truly believe the memoirs of John Williams Childress, bring up very
important issues, mainly the monument in the "fence enclosed family plot"
and who
would have been buried there along with Joel Childress, if any? And for
that
matter, who had owned and lived on this land after John Whitsett Childress
sr
and Jr. sold or lost it. I honestly believe because Mr. Childress worded it
that way, there were other's buried there, it being a "family plot." And I
also believe the wording of what was "engraved" on the monument could very
well
be a tribute of sorts, in honor of, the wives of John Whitest Childress,
Sr.
These two ladies were direct descendants of Philip Philips who came from
Wales, landed in PA, came down thru VA and into KY as surveyor and migrated
to
Nashville, TN. Some Philips descendants believe Philip was son of Joseph
Philips who landed about 1745-55 In, PA on the ship Neptune and or another
ship.
The mere mention of the dates of arrival and the ship, were enough to
inspire me to dig deeper!
The more we discuss these issues and other possibilities and the families
involved, the better. I hope you'll work on this, I feel it's important. I
intend to pursue it, because I feel as a Childress, the issue of the
"engraved"
tombstone is of major historical and genealogical significance, to all the
Childress families So come on Con, lets get busy!
MaryJean
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Hi list,
Sorry I didn't check this first. According to Joel's Bible (as posted by MaryJean on Mar 17, 2003) Mary Sansom Childress, the daughter of Anderson and Mary W. Childress, was born Sept. 9, 1821 in Franklin TN. Since the birth dates match this is the Mary Childress who was the first wife of Robert B. Jetton. I'm not sure why there is a descrepancy in the middle name.
Con.
Hi list,
MaryJean raised the issue of a Mary Childress married to a Robert Jetton. My question is who was she? Here is what I have been able to find out so far.
1) From the Jetton-L list.
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 20:27:59 -0700
From: "Ed Neal" <geneal(a)volcano.net>
To: JETTON-L(a)rootsweb.com
Message-ID: <01bec1df$62f76200$LocalHost@default>
Subject: Re: [JETTON-L] Another Robert Jetton
The Robert Brevard Jetton who m. Nancy Wilson was the son of
John Jetton and Margaret "White" and the grandson of John and
Elizabeth "Brevard" Jetton.
Robert B. Jetton and Nancy Wilson had a son Robert Brevard Jetton Jr.
Robert B. Jetton Jr was m. to Mary Susan Childress, Joanna L. Rucker,
and Esther L. Murfree.
2) From the Tennessee Records (Acklen, Jeannette Tillotson, Tennessee Records, Nashville: Cullom and Ghertner, 1933) on Ancestry.com
Tennessee Records
THE FIRST PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH, MURFREESBORO, TENN., FROM THE YEAR 1812 TO 1868 COMPILED BY REV. JOHN W. NEEL (Pastor from 1866 to about 1871)
(Copied from a scrapbook of Joanna L. Rucker, owned by Rebekah Jetton, Murfreesboro. Joanna L. Rucker was born September 19, 1822, and died October 15, 1853. She was the daughter of Susan Childress and Dr. William Reed Rucker, and a niece of Mrs. James K. Polk. She married Robert B. Jetton November 6, 1850.)
3) From the Old City Cemetery in Murfreesboro
JETTON Mary Childress w/o Robert B Sep 9, 1821-July 21, 1847
Does anyone know who's daughter she was?
Con
Con,
What happened between the last message and this one to change your mind?
I'm sorry you misunderstood me:) I only meant, that I know "where" the
Whitsett's and the Polks came from before they migrated to TN. As I said, they came
out of NC. I'm privy to documentation on their earlier activities in NC,
because of the great sources I've had. As you read from my last message, I
gave you my opinion based on what you asked me and the list. I also made known
to you what I had made notes on with reference to what you asked. Why do you
feel you would be wasting your time?
I truly believe the memoirs of John Williams Childress, bring up very
important issues, mainly the monument in the "fence enclosed family plot" and who
would have been buried there along with Joel Childress, if any? And for that
matter, who had owned and lived on this land after John Whitsett Childress sr
and Jr. sold or lost it. I honestly believe because Mr. Childress worded it
that way, there were other's buried there, it being a "family plot." And I
also believe the wording of what was "engraved" on the monument could very well
be a tribute of sorts, in honor of, the wives of John Whitest Childress, Sr.
These two ladies were direct descendants of Philip Philips who came from
Wales, landed in PA, came down thru VA and into KY as surveyor and migrated to
Nashville, TN. Some Philips descendants believe Philip was son of Joseph
Philips who landed about 1745-55 In, PA on the ship Neptune and or another ship.
The mere mention of the dates of arrival and the ship, were enough to
inspire me to dig deeper!
The more we discuss these issues and other possibilities and the families
involved, the better. I hope you'll work on this, I feel it's important. I
intend to pursue it, because I feel as a Childress, the issue of the "engraved"
tombstone is of major historical and genealogical significance, to all the
Childress families So come on Con, lets get busy!
MaryJean
MaryJean,
Based on
> You said, "I think we need to figure it out", It would be great if we
could
> "figure" it out:) I've done this to a certain extent, as for those in
NC
> before they came to TN and those (Polk and Whitsett) who married into
the Joel
> Childress family.
it would appear that I'm wasting my time working on this issue.
Con