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Con,
You said, "I think we need to figure it out", It would be great if we could
"figure" it out:) I've done this to a certain extent, as for those in NC
before they came to TN and those (Polk and Whitsett) who married into the Joel
Childress family.
As for the Philips - Williams and their connection by marriage to John
Whitsett Childress Sr and his two wives (Sarah Williams Childress and Mary Philips
Childress). I don't subscribe to Ancestry.com, but since you do, maybe what
I mention here you can see if they have anything more on the information.
I've read the info in your message. So lets start with Elisha Williams who
you have as #1. Before we do, according to many sources, a CONSORT is a
spouse to another, wife or husband. I've seen this term, "consort of so in so" on
documents, tombstones, ancient records and, etc., for a long time. So, in my
opinion, it is nothing more than a wife or husband to the one they attached
it to.
Question number 1, marriage of Polly (Mary) Phillips marrying Elisha
Williams in 1814. I agree, this is most likely one in the same, parents of Sarah
Williams who married John Whitsett Childress SR.
Question number 2, The Old City Cemetery in Murfreesboro that I'd mentioned
earlier and of which you've listed additional Williams. The author of the
cemetery book? Not that it really matters, but I found it interesting, the
author is Miss Rebekah JETTON Regent (as you mentioned) in the cemetery record is
a Mary CHILDRESS Jetton, wife of Robert. The Jettons were connected to
Childress. For those of you who want to see the actual tombstone inscriptions,
go to "Murfreesboro Old City Cemetery, Rutherford County" (TN) -
_http://www.kimshockey.com/cem/oldcity_murfreesboro.htm/#notdone_
(http://www.kimshockey.com/cem/oldcity_murfreesboro.htm/#notdone)
When I went to the above website, I didn't see the Sarah J. RAY Childress
born July 31, 1815. Might have missed it though. This is news to me, the RAY
family. While I know of the Rays of NC, SC and GA due to their having married
into my Ogletree family, I didn't have any notes which would suggest that
Elisha's wife was a RAY. We need to find out more.
Apparently, the data you found would highly suggest this is the Williams
family that married into the Philips of Nashville, TN and thus married the son
of Joel Childress. In an old legal pad:) I had a note (for what it's worth)
that the father or ancestor of Elisha Williams was WILLIAM WILLIAMS from
Wales. I probably have more info, the source was the GA Archives in Atlanta, but
right now, I can't find anything else in my notes (so far) on that one.
Question Number 3, the 1850 Census from Murfreesboro Dist, that was a good
find! As for the question of Sarah H. Williams being born in NC and was she a
Thompson? I don't know. As for Mary Thompson, aged 15 being in the HH when
the census was taken. Now this is a guess on my part. It could be possible
that she was a relative of the family, after all, Joel Childress's wife's
mother was SARAH THOMPSON who married JOHN WHITSETT. They lived in TN,
(Thompsons) before they went to AL. It could be possible of course that Sarah
(Elisha's wife) was a Thompson, but, I have no proof of that. The Mary Thompson
could have been an extended family member. For the benefit of those who don't
know how they fit in -
1Joel Childress married Elizabeth Whitsett who was daughter of John and
Sarah THOMPSON Whitsett. The parents of Elizabeth Whitsett Childress left TN for
AL and are buried in the Avary Cemetery in AL - You can see the cemetery
records (and tombstone photo's) on the Whitsett-List archives.
I have a cousin who gave me 25 files on the Thomasson, Thomason, Thompson
families, as I am a Thomasson and Thompson direct descendant. They came from
VA, NC, SC and some to GA. When I can, I'll search these files for anything
which might be remotely connecting. I think though, had I seen anything on
Childress, I would have noticed, however, I probably would not have noticed a
Williams-Thompson connection, so I'll search these files again when I can.
What the connection if any of the Elisha Williams who was 80 years old in
the 1840 Pensioner List, would have been born in 1760. Elisha WILLIAMS in the
1850 Census record you provided was born, 1783. What the connection between
them, if any may be, I don't know at this point.
The SYLVAN HALL, home of Captain Joseph PHILIPS who fought in NC during the
ARW could be part of PHILIP PHILPS family, especially since there were
WILLIAMS in this data.
I once again had some notes on a JOSEPH PHILIPS, I've yet to hear back from
the author of the notes, hopefully I will. But, here's what he had to say
(without my having heard from him) - He's George Page, he left messages on the
Phillips genforum, "Phillips Family Reunion, PA, VA, KY, TN," dated between
2000 - 2001 and some of what he said, message #9522, "My family came from
Wales around 1755 and settled near Chester County, PA. I do not know much about
the family before that JOSEPH PHILLIPS had a brother by the name of William,
PHILIP, Thomas, but, I do not know who the father and mother was." - Further,
message #6671, "Need to know your info trying to put a family tree together,
looking for father and mother of JOHN who left Wales in 1755, with one son
John born in 1745 in Wales and wife named MARY, they landed in Philadelphia in
1755 aboard the ship Philadelphia or Neptune, like to see if Sion is
related." (when I read it, seems like I had read something similiar to that
before:). Further, KY genforum, message 16546, "My family came to this county from
Wales in 1755, father JOSEPH and MARY PHILIPS, mother, who is your line, also
my line is from PA, VA, KY, JOHN PHILIPS SR, his brother David, Josiah,
Joseph, JR. I live near Paducah, KY, but most of my people came into KY around
1793, settled around Dale Hollow Lake area in KY and TN." Another message
mentions a book on the Philips dated, 1935 on Henry and Joseph PHILIPS (George
Page) - _Pageinsure(a)ziggy.com.net_ (mailto:Pageinsure@ziggy.com.net) Don't
know if he still has the address I show. And I hope he writes back.
In the meantime, Here's some additional info I came across:
A) Deposition of Col. JOSEPH PHILLIPS, 1801 Robertson County, TN -
_http://www.mindspring.com/~baumbach/cody/tory/colonel.htm_
(http://www.mindspring.com/~baumbach/cody/tory/colonel.htm)
B) PHILIPS FORT, KY Historical Society Marker Database, Marker #1098, County
Larue, 1/2 mile East in N. Fork of Nolin River. First settlement in Larue
County, built 1780 (note the date) by PHILIP PHILIPS surveyor and company of
settlers from PA.
"History of Hodgeville, Larue, CO, KY." Permanently settled 1775, PA land
surveyor, PHILIP PHILPS, he led settlers to the area which was previously
NELSON COUNTY, KY (see land records in TN which I mentioned earlier as Indentures
from that area of KY by Philip Philips) around 1780.
According to _bud(a)mail.state.ky.ussalyer_ (mailto:bud@mail.state.ky.ussalyer)
, PHILP PHILIPS was surveying in KY between 1773 and 1800.
MORE - It is my opinion from "Early Settlers of AL", by Col. James E. Saunder
s and from reading some of the "Colonial Records of NC" (GA Achives, Atlanta
GA) by Col. Wm. L. Saunders, NC Secretary of State, that those in NC before
the ARW and who connect to Joel Childress were - POLLOCK who changed their
name to POLK, they were in New Bern when this place was granted to Baron
DeGraffenreid. These same Pollocks/Polks by circumstance, were finally the owners
of this land grant. They were one of the largest land owners in NC, they
were shown to be the largest slave holders. These same Pollocks who became POLK
are the ancestors of President James M. Polk who married Sarah
Childress..Their the same ones who instigated and behind the 1775 Mecklenburg Declaration
of Independence, by eye witness, they were related by blood to nearly ALL who
signed the declaration. Several branches of POLK migrated and were the early
settlers in TN and they were of the JAMES K. POLK lineage.
The Whitsett family who changed their name (according to those researchers
on the Whitsett-List) from Whiteside to Whitsett, came out of Ireland to PA,
some say to Amherst County, VA and then to Orange County, NC. If you note,
the mention of PA again. I've seen record of the JOHN Whitsett in NC and he
was an NC Government official right along side the POLKS. Both these families
as you know, had land grants in TN. John Whitsett who married Sarah Thompson
they say was born 1745 in PA or VA. Confirmation of PA we do need.
Now to your questions - 1. Was the ELISHA WILLIAMS buried here, the father
of Elisha Williams who married Mary Philips? - I am not sure, but it does
appear to be.
2. Was Capt. JOSEPH PHILIPS possibly the brother of PHILIP PHILPS? I
believe he was. IF George Page (Phillips and KY genforum messages information is
correct). Additionally, Philip Philips named his son JOSEPH per the will and
also the book (1899) written by Col. James Edmonds Saunders confirms this.
Much of the information provided in his book came from his personal knowledge
of knowing these families and from the "Colonial Records of NC" which my
relative was privy to. The author's branch of Saunders (my relatives) married
into the GILCHRIST family who married into PHILIP PHILIPS family, so he was
privy to the ancestry. We also know it was thru JUDGE JOSEPH PHILIPS, son of
Philip that had the daughter, MARY who married John Whitsett CHILDRESS Sr, son
of JOEL.
I believe there might have been a suggested connection to all these families
(Philips, Whitsett, Williams, Polk and perhaps Thompson) as early as PA.
Then they migrated to perhaps even VA and some, are on record in NC. I know
Philip PHILPS went from PA to perhaps VA, then KY where he was a surveyor and of
whom the fort is named for and who migrated to Nashville, TN. There are
many records of him in the TN archives. Also in these records were Childress,
Whitsett, Polk and Thompson. There were Williams shown there, but which ones,
I am not sure.
Anything else you can share would be appreciate, thank you for the
information you provided. If anyone else on our list has information, especially out
of TN, please share with us and I'll do the same. Thank you.
MaryJean
MaryJean,
I would like us to go over all data available here on these two families
in detail. The reason is there appear to be two unrelated but parallel
Philips/Williams family relationships (both involving an Elisha Williams
and a Joseph Philips) in the Nashville area at this time, which seems
somewhat unlikely unless somehow they are all related. I think we need to
figure it out. As a start
Beginning with Elisha Williams.
1) There is a marriage record in Dodd, Jordan. Tennessee Marriages to 1825,
which shows a Polly Phillips marrying Elisha Williams on 30 May 1814 in
Davidson County TN. [Since Polly is sometimes a nickname for Mary and this
date seems to match birth dates involving their children I think this is
likely the correct marriage information for Elisha Williams and Mary
Philips .]
2) According to Ackien, Jeannette Tillotson, Tennessee Records, Nashville:
Cullom and Ghertner, 1933, the following inscriptions were copied from
tombstones in the Old City Cemetery in Murfreesboro, TN by Miss Rebekah
Jetton Regent.
Mary Williams, born Aug. 9 1790; died April 15, 1828 [This I take to be
Mary Philips Williams.]
Elisha Williams, Jr., born Oct. 20, 1822; died Oct. 31 1848
Sarah J. Ray Childress, born July 31, 1815; died March 14, 1850 [This I
take to be the wife of John Whitsett Childress, Sr., but where did the Ray
come from? Did she marry a Ray first? As of the time of the writing of
Rutherford County Historical Society Publication No. 15 in Summer 1980 the
John Whitsett Childress House at 225 North Academy St. in Murfreesboro, TN
was owned by Alice and Kelly Ray. Who were the Rays?]
Joseph John P. Williams, born Dec. 10, 1817; died May 31, 1852 [Was Joseph
John Philips the name of Philip Philips' father?]
Henry J. Williams, youngest son of Elisha and Mary Williams, born June 20,
1825; died April 18, 1855.
Sarah H. Williams, consort of Elisha Williams; born Nov.,1735; departed
this life Sept. 1, 1857 [Looks like the inscription was hard to read on
this one since there is no day given for her birth and the year 1735 is not
believable. See census data below for where she appears again. Why was
she referred to as a consort rather than a wife? It appears that Elisha
managed to bury his family members in one place. A big question is where
was he buried?]
3) 1850 Federal Census from Murfreesboro District, Rutherford County, TN
shows
Elisha Williams 67 M Farmer $10,000 real estate, born in NC
Sarah H. Williams 62 F, born in NC [Was she a Thompson?]
Mary Thompson 15 F, born in TN [How is she related?]
As to the other data on Elisha Williams you mentioned, I am sure he was
not ARW pensioner from Maury County TN. I also doubt the Bradley(Polk)
County data is this Elisha as well. The Wilson County data may be but
needs more investigation.
Now as to the other Philips/Williams data that involves an Elisha
Williams. Also found in Acklen's Tennessee Records there are inscriptions
from the graveyard of "Sylvan Hall", home of Captain Joseph Philips, who
fought in NC during the Revolution. The farm is located on Dickerson Pike,
six miles north of Nashville. The following is copied directly from
Ancestry.com's version of that data.
Joseph Philips, Oct. 31, 1763-May 22, 1822; born in North Carolina and
settled on this place in 1791.
Milbiry Philips, wife of J. Philips, Dec. 4, 1764-Dec. 19, 1851; born in
North Carolina and settled on this place in 1791.
William D. Philips, son of Joseph and Milbiry Philips, born on this farm,
April 19, 1804; died where he was born and lived, June 15, 1879.
Eliza Dwyer, wife of William D. Philips, daughter of Daniel and Bridget
Dwyer, born at Roscrea, Tipperary County Ireland, Aug. 3, 1801; died, May
10, 1871.
Margaret Thomas, wife of Josiah F. Williams, daughter of Joseph and Milbrey
Philips, Sept. 30, 1799-1844.
To the memory of Josiah F. Williams; this monument is erected by his
children; he was born on the 2nd day of Feb., 1780, and died on the 29th
day of Nov., 1851. His life was characterized by inflexible honesty,
sterling �, the most unpretending �.
Sally Philips, Aug. 1, 1783-Jan. 19, 1859.
Wm. Williams and Sally Philips married Feb. 11, 1807.
Wm. Williams, April 15, 1776-Mar. 6, 1872.
In memory of Charlotte Philips, who died July 23, 1811, in the 16th year of
her age.
Henry Williams, a moral and intelligent youth, May 3, 1814-July 14, 1826.
Elisha Williams; died, Aug. 17, 1811; age, 62 years. Married Mar. 25, 1775,
and had six children: William, Betsey, Joshua, Elisha, Josiah, Martha.
Sacred to the memory of Eliza N., daughter of Wm. Williams, wife of Evander
McIver, departed this life Mar. 28, 1826, in the 19th year of her age.
[p.171] Mary, daughter of William and Sarah Williams, and wife of Robert M.
Porter; born, Oct. 26, 1816; married, Dec. 4, 1838; died, Mar. 21, 1839.
Martha H. Williams, Nov. 29, 1809-Nov. 3, 1833.
Robert, infant son of J. F. and M. T. Williams.
Evander McIver Williams, May 25, 1829-Dec. 27, 1855.
David D., son of J. F. and M. T. Williams, Jan. 11, 1829-Feb. 17, 1829.
William, son of Wm. D. and Eliza Philips, Sept. 3, 1846-July 11, 1862.
Father�William P. Harding.
Mother�Milberry C. Philips.
Sarah, infant child of Wm. D. and �.
Joseph Philips, who died July, 1823; age, 6 months.
Beneath this inscription lies the unfortunate Joseph John Sumner who was
born Aug. 14, 1780, and perished in the Gulf of Mexico on the morning of
Dec. 28, 1813. Oh! Gulf of Mexico, why hast thou thus deprived us of this
our most affectionate friend. As the � of spring fadeth away the leaves,
etc., etc.
William Henry Sumner, son of the above, Sept. 24, 1813-June 30, 1816.
Now the questions. Was the Elisha Williams buried here the father of the
Elisha Williams who married Mary Philips? Based on a marriage date on Mar.
25, 1775 for this Elisha and his son Elisha being the 4th child the age
data looks good to match an 1850 census age of 67. Was Capt. Joseph
Philips possibly the brother of Philip Philips? At this point I have only
questions, no answers. The possible implications though include a much
deeper Philips/ Williams relatiohship that extends at least into North
Carolina. Comments anyone.
Con
> [Original Message]
> From: <MJCV25(a)aol.com>
> To: <CHILDRESS-RESEARCH-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Date: 10/29/2004 1:47:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [CHILDRESS] Philips and Williams
>
> Hi List,
> Con,
>
> Right now, I'm looking for the files I have on the family, however, I'm
> going to list what I've found so far. I think it should help in perhaps
deterring
> their ages and deaths. Thank you for asking, good idea.
>
> PHILIP PHILIPS -
>
> 1) Davidson County, TN Will Book 2, Pages 85-89, February 3, 1797,
filed,
> November 27, 1797.
>
> PHILIP PHILIPS - WILL OF - [In order]
>
> Wife: Susanna Philips -
> Son: John Philips -
> Son: James Philips
> Son: Joseph Philips*-
> Daug: Eleanor Philips -
> Daugh: Elizabeth Philips -
> Daugh: Mary Philips** -
> Daugh: Nancy Philips
> Son: William Philips
> Orphan: Sarah James, orphan child brought up by wife's sister, Elizabeth.
> Signed - Nelson County, KY - Andrus Haynes, Michael Campbell and Howell
> Tatum of Davidson County, TN.
>
> "JOSEPH PHILIPS was Judge Joseph Philips whose daughter was Mary
Philips,
> second wife of John Whitsett Childress SR.
>
> **MARY PHILIPS married Elisha WILLIAMS and were the parents of Sarah J.
> PHILIPS who married first to John Whitsett Childress SR.
> NOTE: Col. James Edmonds Saunders states in his book, Page 228, Judge
> PHILIPS died 1856 or 1857, apparently this was Judge Joseph PHILIPS and
not Philip
> Philips.
>
> 2) JOSEPH PHILIPS WILL, 8: 119 - 121, Dated of Probate, September 3,
1822.
> From TN Archives.
>
> MORE on PHILIP PHILIPS -
>
> Vol. one, 1784-94, Davidson County Clerk Records - TN ARCHIVES -
> Shows at least 15 entries for him - Bonds, POA's, Bill of Sale in Nelson
> County, VA, KY and just VA.
>
> Davidson County Court Records, TN ARCHIVES -
> 1794-1804, Vol. 2 - mentioned 6 times, Estate Appraised, Expenses -
> Inventory, Will in Davidson County, VA
> 1784-97, Register of Deeds - NO mention of him.
>
> Davidson County Land Records 1787-1797 - 3 Indentures.
> Volume D, 1796-98 - 3 Indentures
> Volume E, 1798-1802, NO mention of him.
>
> The above are also on a website where you can order them, if you need
the
> address, please email me and I'll be glad to give you the web address.
>
> 3) Murfreesboro Old Cemetery, Rutherford County, TN -
>
> SARAH (H?) WILLIAMS consort of ELISHA WILLIAMS born, November 1, 1735,
died
> Sept 1, 1857. [Apparently she wasn't buried at the homeplace of John
Whitsett
> Childress Sr unless her body was relocated and or moved for some reason.
> Sometimes old graves are moved with permission of the descendants.
>
> SARAH JOSEY CHILDRESS, born July 31, 1815 died March 14, 1850. The same
> would apply to the first wife of John Whitsett Childress SR, unless her
body was
> relocated.
>
> NOTE - There were more Childress's buried in this cemetery. I don't
have
> all of their names, here are the names I do have.
>
> Anderson CHILDRESS, born June 16, 1799, died July 26, 1855
> Anderson CHILDRESS, born October 26, 1799, died May 8, 1872, [are there
two
> by this name or a mistake? One is Joel Childress's son]
> Emmett CHILDRESS, born Sept 30, 1861 died Nov 4, 1864
> Ada CHILDRESS - no further information.
>
> 4) John Whitsett CHILDRESS, Davidson County Confederate Pension
> Applications, Part One, A-D, TN State Library and Archives - Widow: Mary
LYON, Pension #
> W 8965. NOTE - Con, you didn't ask for this, but I thought it might be
good
> to know.
>
>
> 5) The GILCHRIST FAMILY who were of Welsh and Scottish progenitors, from
> "The Gilchrist Family" ["Early Settlers of Alabama"] this would be the
paternal
> ancestry, Malcolm Gilchrist was born in Cantire, Scotland, settled first
in
> NC where he married Catherine Buie or Bowie and moved to Maury County,
TN in
> 1809. They were large land owners, surveyors and planters. Malcolm
Gilchrist
> left a large inheritance, chiefly in lands to the family of his brother
as
> he never married, his brother was DANIEL who was born December 22,
1788, and
> in 1819 he married NANCY PHILIPS, near Nashville, TN. She was born 21
> January 1793.
>
> MORE on GILCHRIST -
>
> "Arrival of JOHN and MALCOLM GILCHRIST in North Carolina, Chapter 3 -
> _http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/robertwg/carolina.htm_
> (http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/robertwg/carolina.htm)
>
>
>
> On another page, addition information, which might give us a time frame
for
> these families which may help to determine ELISHA WILLIAMS [about]
birthdate.
> The will of his wife's father [Philip PHILIPS] was written in 1797, his
> wife, Mary PHILIPS was already born by then.
>
> MORE on ELISHA WILLIAMS -
>
> 1840 CENSUS of PENSIONERS ARW - ELISHA WILLIAMS aged 80, 23rd District
MAURY
> COUNTY, TN.
>
> Bradley County TAX LIST - 1837-38-39, District 5, Part of Bradley which
> became Polk County, TN. Most names were instrumental in the development
of the
> county. - He appears all three years.
> WILLIAMS, ELISHA
> WILLIAMS, John
> WILLIAMS, Isaac
>
> WILLIAMS, ELISHA
> WILLIAMS, John
>
> WILLIAMS, John
> WILLIAMS, ELISHA
>
> Wilson County, TN Division of Estate of Thomas Wynn, July 1, 1797,
Signed
> page 4, ELISHA WILLIAMS.
>
> November 9, 1802, Will of Thomas Mitchell, Extrs, friend - ELISHA
WILLIAMS,
> John Foster.
>
> TNSSAR Ancestor Page - TN State Society of the Sons of the American War.
> ELISHA WILLIAMS, 0142.
>
>
> This is similar to what I quoted in an earlier message, but I think it
might
> have to acquaint you'all with the connections of these families to
CHILDRESS
> -
>
> PAGE 505 ["Early Settlers of AL," 1899, Col. James Edmonds Saunders] The
> ancestor who came to America, was Malcolm GILCHRIST, born Cantire,
Scotland and
> came first to North Carolina, where he married Catherine BUIE and
removed to
> Maury County, TN 1809. He was grandfather to Philip, Malcolm and John
> GILCHRIST and to Mrs. Bankhead of Courtland, AL [Mrs. Bankhead connects
to William
> S. Bankhead whose descendant was Governor of AL and William was great
> grandson of President Thomas Jefferson. He married a GILCHRIST of the
above family].
>
> The maternal grandfather of this family was PHILIP PHILIPS who came from
> WALES, first to Pennsylvania, then to Kentucky and finally to Davidson
County,
> Tennessee, near Nashville in 1795. His children were James, John, JUDGE
> JOSEPH PHILIPS of Murfreesboro, TN, father of Mrs. CHILDRESS and
grandfather of
> Mrs. Gov. John C. Brown of TN, Eleanor Philips married Maj. James Neely,
> parents of the celebrated Methodist divine, P.P Neely, Elizabeth Philips
married
> Col. Robert Purdy and MARY PHILIPS married ELISHA WILLIAMS.
>
> MaryJean
>
>
>
Hi List,
Con,
Right now, I'm looking for the files I have on the family, however, I'm
going to list what I've found so far. I think it should help in perhaps deterring
their ages and deaths. Thank you for asking, good idea.
PHILIP PHILIPS -
1) Davidson County, TN Will Book 2, Pages 85-89, February 3, 1797, filed,
November 27, 1797.
PHILIP PHILIPS - WILL OF - [In order]
Wife: Susanna Philips -
Son: John Philips -
Son: James Philips
Son: Joseph Philips*-
Daug: Eleanor Philips -
Daugh: Elizabeth Philips -
Daugh: Mary Philips** -
Daugh: Nancy Philips
Son: William Philips
Orphan: Sarah James, orphan child brought up by wife's sister, Elizabeth.
Signed - Nelson County, KY - Andrus Haynes, Michael Campbell and Howell
Tatum of Davidson County, TN.
"JOSEPH PHILIPS was Judge Joseph Philips whose daughter was Mary Philips,
second wife of John Whitsett Childress SR.
**MARY PHILIPS married Elisha WILLIAMS and were the parents of Sarah J.
PHILIPS who married first to John Whitsett Childress SR.
NOTE: Col. James Edmonds Saunders states in his book, Page 228, Judge
PHILIPS died 1856 or 1857, apparently this was Judge Joseph PHILIPS and not Philip
Philips.
2) JOSEPH PHILIPS WILL, 8: 119 - 121, Dated of Probate, September 3, 1822.
From TN Archives.
MORE on PHILIP PHILIPS -
Vol. one, 1784-94, Davidson County Clerk Records - TN ARCHIVES -
Shows at least 15 entries for him - Bonds, POA's, Bill of Sale in Nelson
County, VA, KY and just VA.
Davidson County Court Records, TN ARCHIVES -
1794-1804, Vol. 2 - mentioned 6 times, Estate Appraised, Expenses -
Inventory, Will in Davidson County, VA
1784-97, Register of Deeds - NO mention of him.
Davidson County Land Records 1787-1797 - 3 Indentures.
Volume D, 1796-98 - 3 Indentures
Volume E, 1798-1802, NO mention of him.
The above are also on a website where you can order them, if you need the
address, please email me and I'll be glad to give you the web address.
3) Murfreesboro Old Cemetery, Rutherford County, TN -
SARAH (H?) WILLIAMS consort of ELISHA WILLIAMS born, November 1, 1735, died
Sept 1, 1857. [Apparently she wasn't buried at the homeplace of John Whitsett
Childress Sr unless her body was relocated and or moved for some reason.
Sometimes old graves are moved with permission of the descendants.
SARAH JOSEY CHILDRESS, born July 31, 1815 died March 14, 1850. The same
would apply to the first wife of John Whitsett Childress SR, unless her body was
relocated.
NOTE - There were more Childress's buried in this cemetery. I don't have
all of their names, here are the names I do have.
Anderson CHILDRESS, born June 16, 1799, died July 26, 1855
Anderson CHILDRESS, born October 26, 1799, died May 8, 1872, [are there two
by this name or a mistake? One is Joel Childress's son]
Emmett CHILDRESS, born Sept 30, 1861 died Nov 4, 1864
Ada CHILDRESS - no further information.
4) John Whitsett CHILDRESS, Davidson County Confederate Pension
Applications, Part One, A-D, TN State Library and Archives - Widow: Mary LYON, Pension #
W 8965. NOTE - Con, you didn't ask for this, but I thought it might be good
to know.
5) The GILCHRIST FAMILY who were of Welsh and Scottish progenitors, from
"The Gilchrist Family" ["Early Settlers of Alabama"] this would be the paternal
ancestry, Malcolm Gilchrist was born in Cantire, Scotland, settled first in
NC where he married Catherine Buie or Bowie and moved to Maury County, TN in
1809. They were large land owners, surveyors and planters. Malcolm Gilchrist
left a large inheritance, chiefly in lands to the family of his brother as
he never married, his brother was DANIEL who was born December 22, 1788, and
in 1819 he married NANCY PHILIPS, near Nashville, TN. She was born 21
January 1793.
MORE on GILCHRIST -
"Arrival of JOHN and MALCOLM GILCHRIST in North Carolina, Chapter 3 -
_http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/robertwg/carolina.htm_
(http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~steve/robertwg/carolina.htm)
On another page, addition information, which might give us a time frame for
these families which may help to determine ELISHA WILLIAMS [about] birthdate.
The will of his wife's father [Philip PHILIPS] was written in 1797, his
wife, Mary PHILIPS was already born by then.
MORE on ELISHA WILLIAMS -
1840 CENSUS of PENSIONERS ARW - ELISHA WILLIAMS aged 80, 23rd District MAURY
COUNTY, TN.
Bradley County TAX LIST - 1837-38-39, District 5, Part of Bradley which
became Polk County, TN. Most names were instrumental in the development of the
county. - He appears all three years.
WILLIAMS, ELISHA
WILLIAMS, John
WILLIAMS, Isaac
WILLIAMS, ELISHA
WILLIAMS, John
WILLIAMS, John
WILLIAMS, ELISHA
Wilson County, TN Division of Estate of Thomas Wynn, July 1, 1797, Signed
page 4, ELISHA WILLIAMS.
November 9, 1802, Will of Thomas Mitchell, Extrs, friend - ELISHA WILLIAMS,
John Foster.
TNSSAR Ancestor Page - TN State Society of the Sons of the American War.
ELISHA WILLIAMS, 0142.
This is similar to what I quoted in an earlier message, but I think it might
have to acquaint you'all with the connections of these families to CHILDRESS
-
PAGE 505 ["Early Settlers of AL," 1899, Col. James Edmonds Saunders] The
ancestor who came to America, was Malcolm GILCHRIST, born Cantire, Scotland and
came first to North Carolina, where he married Catherine BUIE and removed to
Maury County, TN 1809. He was grandfather to Philip, Malcolm and John
GILCHRIST and to Mrs. Bankhead of Courtland, AL [Mrs. Bankhead connects to William
S. Bankhead whose descendant was Governor of AL and William was great
grandson of President Thomas Jefferson. He married a GILCHRIST of the above family].
The maternal grandfather of this family was PHILIP PHILIPS who came from
WALES, first to Pennsylvania, then to Kentucky and finally to Davidson County,
Tennessee, near Nashville in 1795. His children were James, John, JUDGE
JOSEPH PHILIPS of Murfreesboro, TN, father of Mrs. CHILDRESS and grandfather of
Mrs. Gov. John C. Brown of TN, Eleanor Philips married Maj. James Neely,
parents of the celebrated Methodist divine, P.P Neely, Elizabeth Philips married
Col. Robert Purdy and MARY PHILIPS married ELISHA WILLIAMS.
MaryJean
My previous message, in error, James Monroe Avent married the daughter
[Mary] of John Whitsett Childress Sr, his son Frank did not marry a Childress.
Sorry about that, maybe too much rambling:)
MaryJean
Dear List,
Con,
As we're discussing the Chlldress memoirs, 1960, I personally believe it's
important to establish not only factual data regarding the land his [author]
forefathers owned, but where the property was and the circumstances
surrounding who the Childress's married and the connection which could suggest another
scenario.
Reading from my previous message, John Whitsett Childress SR, who the
author [John Williams Childress] wrote, inherited the Stones River farm and lands
from his father [Joel Childress] of who married first, Sarah J. Williams and
had issue four children and then after she died, he married her first cousin,
Mary Philips. Since the author recollected this property and house as where
the "fence inclosed family plot" was located and inside, the grave of Joel
Childress, I feel it's important to the discovery of what exactly the author
saw on the day he played there with his brother [per memoirs].
I don't doubt that the tombstone for Joel Childress gave his birth and death
dates. I believe this to be true. My question is what of the reported, 10
foot tall monument of which the author states in his memoirs? Could it be
confused with other names on a large monument, such as the wives family of whom
lived in the house on Stones River? Even after the author said he had not
actually been to the farm until Frank Avent and his father, James Monroe Avent
owned the land and house, the fact is, Frank Avent had married into the
Childress - Philips family.
Why is Wales such an important issue? It is, because of what Mr. Childress
wrote in his 1960 memoirs. Without his brothers ever having personally
stated in their letters (of which I've read) that there was ever a tombstone
monument which implied that Joel Childress's ancestor had actually come from Wales
himself, instead, the brother of the author merely said in his letters to
Dr. M. Childress, that Joel was the son of John, son of Joel. He then said, he
had no information on the two preceding Joels. I wonder if the transcriber
misread the letter, because Lyon Childress, brother of the author did not say
Joel son of Joel, son of Joel, he said JOHN. So there is confused
information in the transcript and of the letters which I read in the "Childress
Chatter" and published to this list.
Wales is an important connection, in that the Philip Phillips was the
ancestor of both John Whitest Childress SR's wives. He was the ancestor of course
of all of those descended from Joel's son of whom inherited the house and
lands on Stones River and of whom bought the land and house, that being James M.
Avent's son, Frank, the author's first cousin. It is known, that James M.
Avent, attorney at law, took in John Whitsett. Childress, Sr. into his law
practice. The families were obviously very close. The author stated that the
inheritance his grandfather (John Whitsett Childress JR.) received came from
his mother [Sarah J. Williams, descendant of Philip Philips of Wales, PA, KY
and Nashville, TN]. His mother was the daughter of Elisha Williams who
married Mary Philips. There are many instances of the Philips close bond in this
lineage of Childress, especially the point that Philip Philips had come
directly from Wales, the country where Joel Childress's ancestor was to have
migrated from in "his own ship, with cargo in 1745" [per 1960 memoirs].
According to "Early Settlers of Alabama", 1899, author, Col.James Edmonds
Saunders [my relative[, Page 228 - Excerpts -
"The Philips Family" -
Was descended from PHILIP PHILIPS, who was born in Wales. He settled first
in Pennsylvania, then Kentucky and thence to Davidson County, Tennessee, near
Nashville, about 1795. I have information of four of his children. Nancy,
the wife of Daniel GILCHRIST. Her brother, Judge JOSEPH PHILIPS and his
wife, I knew well in Nashville sixty years ago, when I was a raw young student of
law. I boarded opposite their dwelling, and well remember the kindness
shown me by this family. The Judge was a man of varied experience and extensive
learning for that day, and of pleasing manners. I returned to Alabama and a
term of thirty-six years passed away during which, Judge PHILIPS had
departed his life; but his wife survived him. Their daughter had married Major John
W. Childress, of Murfreesboro. I was prostrate, in 1863, at that place,
from a wound supposed to be mortal, when Mrs. Philips paid me a visit of
sympathy. She brought her whole family several times afterward, consisting of her
daughter Mrs.Childress, Major Childress (who was a brother of Mrs. President
Polk), and their lovely daughter, Miss Bettie, who afterward married John C.
Brown, a major general of distinction during the civil war, and afterward,
Governor of Tennessee. I understand they have several living children, all
daughters. My readers will pardon me for extending the notice of this branch of
the GILCHRIST family so far, for their kindness to me in my condition,
prisoner in the midst of a hostile camp, has made a deep impression on my memory,
and on my heart.
My friend, DR.James Wendel, of Murfreesboro, informs me that, "Major John W.
Childress first married the daughter of Elisha WILLIAMS, who wife was a
PHILIPS, sister to Judge JOSEPH Philips. She died leaving six children, four
sons and two daughters. The elder one married J. M. Avent [James Monroe Avent,
father of Frank], a lawyer of Murfreesboro. The other married Gen. John C.
Brown; both are living. Three of the sons are dead. His second wife is a
daughter of Judge Philips; of course, cousin to the first. Major Childress died
in October, 1884, leaving six children by the second wife; three sons and
three daughters. Judge Philips died in 1856/57. His widow at the advanced age
of ninety or more, died in November 1881.
More to follow.
MaryJean
Hi List,
Con,
Yesterday, we were discussing the memoirs of John Williams Childress (1960).
After rereading the 1960 memoirs, I note that the author could be writing of
several different farms, maybe all of them along the Stones River? Con, you
pointed this out. The author, when he described the house on Stones River
where, "He [Joel] was buried in a fence enclosed Family Plot." The author
wrote that when he was between 10-15 years old, he learned to swim and it was at
this farm, along with his cousin, Frank Avent, who'd received the farm on
Stones River from his father, James Monroe Avent, as a wedding present. The way
it's worded suggests that James Monroe Avent lived in the house before he
gave it to his son. The author later recollects that he was in school during
1896 when someone told him they had seen the house burn. He said he had no
idea how the farm had gotten out of the Childress family. The author later
mentions that he took his daughters there in 1923 and by my guess, about 27 years
after he learned it had burned and nothing was left but one Cedar tree.
Wish we could speak to Mr. Childress (author), but, we can't. I've got
questions, my first would be: 1) Where the property was located exactly. 2) Who
actually owned the property when you and your brother were playing on the
grave of Joel Childress and finally, 3) What you described as the "family
plot," how many other's were buried there or any? Will there be any way to prove
if there were other graves on this property? If there had been graves of
say, the two wives of John Whitsett Childress, Sr., could they have been
relocated? I doubt the author would have said it was a "family plot" if other's
weren't buried there, wouldn't he have just said, "the grave" rather than "fence
enclosed family plot"? To me, this suggests that this was a set aside plot
of ground and gravesite, for the family. He said it was "fence enclosed."
This was very normal for the time in which it took place. I've surveyed at
least 15 cemeteries, graves and, etc., many of them on plantations, they being
in the Atlanta areas and I've seen "fence enclosed graves" with all sorts of
monuments, rocks/etc and tombstones.
I don't want to linger on the subject to long, it's been discussed so much,
I'm actually bored with the same old things. However, in the last few years,
the subject of the grave of Joel Childress has become enormous! The DNA
project is actually based on what was to have been engraved on the tombstone of
Joel Childress! So I do feel it's important to establish some type of time
line, family history and anything else which will help to separate the truth
from the imagined.
I think you could say that my rereading John Williams Childress's 1960
Memoirs (many thanks to one of our list members who sent me a copy), brought up
new questions considering the 1,000 acre's on Stones River which Joel Childress
bought and obviously sold more than half of. Con, you provided valuable
information along with the question of how many farms did this family own on
Stones River or wherever? We can also establish when Joel Childress actually
bought land, even though he's in the 1810 TN Census. Con also provided the tax
records and it proves that Joel paid taxes on 250-300 acre's until 1813. Joel
died in 1819. Also Con, you questioned the location of at least one of the
farms mentioned in his 1960 memoirs.
Before I go on, to refresh your memory -
1JOEL CHILDRESS and ELIZABETH WHITSETT, she was the daughter of John
Whitsett, who was of Irish ancestry and had lived in NC, (according to research on
the Whitsett-List) and his wife, SARAH THOMPSON of Scottish ancestry. Note -
The author wrote that his ancestor Whitsett, had married Polly Sevier, this
was not correct.
2JOHN WHITSETT CHILDRESS, SR and SARAH J. WILLIAMS, issue 4 children, she
died, he then married her first cousin, MARY PHILIPS or PHILLIPS. Both wives
(first cousins) were descended from Philip Phillips of Nashville, TN by way of
KY, PA and Wales. ELISHA WILLIAMS was the father of # two's first wife.
3JOHN WHITSETT CHILDRESS JR. and MARY ADAIR LYON, she was said to be from
MS and of Scottish ancestry.
4JOHN WILLIAMS CHILDRESS - The 1960 author - had siblings.
The author said that # two inherited the Stone River farm from # one. The
author referred to several other locations of houses in town and out and
recollected about two farms being owned. But, his focus was on a house, where he
fully described the interior and grounds. He said the "fence inclosed family
plot," where Joel Childress grave was located was in the Apple Orchard on
this land.
More later,
MaryJean
MaryJean,
You wrote,
> Thank you for the deed, map and , etc., regarding the land Joel
Childress
> bought, sold and lived on. The tax list for 1809 to 1813 are very
helpful in
> that it proved Joel was paying taxes for only 250 acres until 1813, he
also
> had slaves, which we knew.
You are welcome.
Con
Con,
My comments in brackets was what I know as fact, as to what John Williams
Childress was making reference to. Nothing I quoted was written BY me
personally, but from John Williams Childress in his 1960 memoirs. Such as who he was
talking about with regard to who owned what, which house, land and etc. The
same could be said for the memoirs which were published in the Childress-List
archives, Gary Childress's comments are in brackets, would you consider those
"ramblings"?
As for the actual memoirs, you said "they are ramblings to a certain
degree.". Personally, after reading Mr. Childress's memoirs over the last few days,
I respect the man for writing them, he was not young when he wrote them. I
doubt his memory was as good as when he was a boy, like most of us:) But all
in all, I found them (memoirs) very pleasant and interesting to read and
applaud him taking the time to even write it.
Would we or anyone be dissecting this man's memoirs if he had NOT said on
Page one, "I well remember his grave [Joel Childress?] in the apple orchard,
which was marked by a ten-foot stone resting upon six columns to a base. The
top stone contained the inscription: "Joel Childress, son of John, son of
Joel, who emigrated from Wales, in his own ship, with cargo, in the year 1745".
The last two digits of the date were very dim but my brother and I agreed
upon "45".- He goes on to say they probably landed in Virginia, or possibly
North Carolina, since the name is found in both states, but Joel [Childress] and
his wife were both born in Virginia. Her (Elizabeth Whitsett) mother was
Polly Sevier [Sarah Thompson]. I highly doubt Mr.Childress's "ramblings" would
be the subject of such intense interest, at least by the claims of Gary
Childress, listowner, [Childress-List] IF Mr. Childress had not written what he
did about the gravesite of Joel Childress.
So lets get to the heart of this thing. Your saying and questioning, just
who owned the properties and there was more than one? You also believe John
Williams Childress memoirs are ramblings to a certain degree? You see nothing
here to indicate where James M. Avent got the property and that I lost you
when speaking of the families these Childress's married? And furthermore, you
state it doesn't help in "interpreting his ramblings for you to throw in your
own.". Okay, I'll give you my opinion based on what I know to be fact and
yep, perhaps some ramblings:)
Thank you for the deed, map and , etc., regarding the land Joel Childress
bought, sold and lived on. The tax list for 1809 to 1813 are very helpful in
that it proved Joel was paying taxes for only 250 acres until 1813, he also
had slaves, which we knew.
1. I agree, it's important to know what Joel Childress owned and how he got
it to begin with. But, the real issue here is not so much what he owned, but
his tombstone and WHERE it was, WHOSE land was it on and what led to this
sudden knowledge by Mr. Childress. I say "sudden knowledge" because, from the
letters (published on this list) from Mr. Childress's brother, he made no
mention of the inscription on Joel's grave, none. Sarah Childress Polk didn't
either. This is the key issue on the Childress-list and the DNA project.
The actual implication that Joel's father and or grandfather or both, arrived
in America from WALES in the year 1745 and in their OWN ship. That they were
Scottish and not English, like the "Childers" who arrived before them. I am
not saying this, John Williams Childress wrote it in his memoirs. Plus, the
Childress-List listowner said it was true. Whlle you might not agree, you
did say we must be careful with Mr. Childress's ramblings. As of today, I've
not read anywhere (other than you and one other) anyone questioning the actual
authenticity of what Mr. Childress actually wrote in his memoirs regarding
the tombstone of Joel Childress.
2. You said, "I see nothing to indicate where James M. [Monroe] Avent got
the property." - I believe it, I think James M. Avent, Attorney at Law, who
took in John Whitsett Childress JR. [father of John Williams Childress] into his
law firm did buy it and that he either gave it to his son Frank or his son
Frank inherited it from his father. A search of the land records should clear
this up, I'll see what I can find. One point would be, John Whitsett
Childress Jr, father of John W.[author] had served in the CSA and in fact was
financially having problems. It was after the Civil War, most everyone was having
problems in the South! John Whitsett Childress Jr. did request a pension or
his wife did, this is on record. So, perhaps if JR. had inherited the
property on Stones River (house which author described) was in need of financial
help, James Monroe Avent could have bought it from John Whitsett Childress Jr.
Now, my question would be, the author said the property during the Civil
War was taken, how did the author's father get it back? None of that was
explained to the readers. If he did get it back, how? OR, could James Monroe
Avent bought the property? Research into the land records will need to be done
to determine this.
3. James Monroe Avent married Mary Childress, she being the daughter by the
first wife, Sarah Josey WILLAIMS of John Whitsett Childress SR, parents of
John Whitsett Childress Jr., who was father to the author. Not only that, but
John Whitsett Childress Sr, after having issue of four children with his
first wife, namely, John Whitsett Childress JR. [father of the author]. - Joseph
Phillips Childress, Bettie Childress [wife of Governor John Brown of TN] and
then of course, Mary Childress who married James Monroe Avent, father of
Frank. After Sara Josey WILLIAMS Childress died, John Sr, then married her
first cousin, Mary Phillips and had six more children, three boys and three
girls. The latter sons male descendants, are the ones that Gary Childress is
trying to locate in MO for DNA testing.
4. Now then, lets look at the whole picture Mr. Childress (author)
presented. He wrote that he had ONLY been to the property [where Joel was buried,
1819] AFTER Frank, [son of James Monroe and Mary Childress AVENT] received it
thru a gift from the father. He said he was between 12 and 15 years old when
he visited there. Okay, when was that, what year? It was certainly AFTER
the Civil War when the property was taken over by what he described as Federal
troops. He said his father built the house on STONES RIVER, he gives various
dates, one is 1853. Was this the place that James Monroe Avent and Mary
Childress Avent owned? I think it was. Much of the land could have been lost in
the Civil War, which was the case most times. How much was left is anyone's
guess, but the vital land records should give us some idea. From the
author's account, he was as stated, 10 - 12 years old when he FIRST went to this
farm on the STONES RIVER, which he said his grandfather had owned, having
inherited it from HIS father. If the author was about that age, the year would
have been about 1891c, 72 years after the death of Joel Childress. The author
and his brothers were FIRST cousins to Frank AVENT, their uncle was James
Monroe AVENT who married Mary CHILDRESS, sister to the author's father. He said
they were very close to the AVENT family, even his own father naming his
brother "Avent" in honor of them.
5. If what the author said is correct, about his never having known of his
grandfather (John Whitsett Childress SR) until his funeral in 1884 [October]
then his recollection of the Apple orchard where Joel was buried as he wrote,
"HE [Joel] was buried in a fence-enclosed FAMILY PLOT near the house." -
Joel died 65 years before his son [John Whitsett Childress SR] died in 1884, the
first recollection by the author. IF the plantation passed into the hands
of the Union Army, then sold or bought by James Monroe Avent, then to his son
Frank, then my question would be: A) were other graves in this enclosed
fenced gravesite as the author wrote? B) Since the two wives of John Whitsett
Childress Sr both from the same family and first cousins, would ANY of their
family have been buried there? Could the monument have been in HONOR of the two
wives family? These two women who married John Whitsett Childress SR were
from a very wealthy, high profile family from Nashville TN. Their ancestry is
known to me, they were Scottish on one side and their family had come
directly from Wales on the other side.
Taking a break, I'll "ramble" after lunch:)
MaryJean
MaryJean,
This is the comment you made that I found confusing:
I think this property is probably what his nephews referred to and yet they
said it was a cousins house (on the river) which was given to their father
or
grandfather. This would have been the old Judge Philips or Williams, (both
of Welsh ancestry) the two being the father's of the two who married John
Whitsett Childress.
I'm going to try to parse this to see if we are finally getting to the same
page.
1) The nephews are John Williams Childress and Adair Lyon Childress.
2) The property being referred to is a farm on Stones River.
3) The cousin is Frank Avent.
Now after this things get murky. You said that the cousin's house (on the
river) was given to his father or grandfather. In this post you say "At
Frank's marriage this house and farm were given to him by his father [James
M. Avent]". I see nothing here to indicate where James M. Avent got the
property. Further you go on to say "This would have been old Judge Philips
or Williams ..." Now here is where you completely lost me. How do the
father-in-laws of John Whitsett Childress have anything to do with the
property being discussed? Moreover, I think it is highly likely that there
is more than one property on Stones River being discussed here. I think
John Williams Childress's memoirs are ramblings to a certain degree, so
that we must be careful in how we infer things from them. Nor does it help
in interpreting his ramblings for you to throw in your own. For instance,
what does John Childress of Nashville having bought land on Stones River
have to do with anything under discussion. Let's get this discussion
focused.
First, we know Joel Childress via an indenture made 13 August 1803
purchased 1000 acres from Benjamin Roberts of Hertford County, NC, which
was originally granted by patent to William Mitchel, drummer in the
Continental Line. This land was on the waters of Stones River. The deed
was recorded on 16 November 1803 in Davidson County, TN. We have more
detail on the location of the land through the sale of 500 acres of this
land in two 250 acre tracts. In both the land is referred to as being on
Lytle's Creek, a branch of the West Fork of Stones River. These two
indentures were made on 3 November 1803 to John Lawrence and John Jetton
and were recorded in Rutherford County, TN in Deed Book A, pages 35-6. A
search on the name of Lytles Creek with the USGS yields a latitude of 35
degrees 51 minutes 18 seconds N and a longitude of 86 degrees 24 minutes 51
seconds W with the associated map location being centered south of Stones
River National Battlefield property, north of interchange 78 on I24 (i.e.
TN 96), east of I24 and west of the West Fork of Stones River.
Unfortunately the map didn't identify Lytles Creek directly so it is not
possible to say more about it from this data. Where it is not is "about
three miles south of Murfreesboro situated where Stone River crossed by
Shelbyville Pike". This location from the USGS is consistent, however,
with a roadside marker I saw about Joel Childress, which I think I remember
as located near the intersection of US231 and TN96 on the north side of
town.
Second, 1809-1813 tax lists from Rutherford County show
1809 Joel Childress with 250 acres 1 white poll 9 black polls
1810 Joel Childress with 250 acres 1 white poll 7 black polls
1811 Joel Childress with 250 acres 1 white poll 8 black polls
1812 Joel Childress with 250 acres 1 white poll 6 black polls
1813 Joel Childress with 300 acres 1 white poll 5 black polls.
This definitley implies that he sold another 250 acres of this land, if
this is indeed the same land. That transaction along with the dozen or so
other references to him in the deed books need to be explored. I
unfortunately did not have time to do all of this in my one short visit
there to the archives. It would be interesting to see if the increase of
50 acres from 1812 to 1813 represents land which fits John Williams
Childress's description.
Con
> [Original Message]
> From: <MJCV25(a)aol.com>
> To: <CHILDRESS-RESEARCH-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Date: 10/26/2004 9:42:03 PM
> Subject: Re: FW: [CHILDRESS] Joel Childress - Deed - (MaryJean Childress
Voegtlin)
>
>
> Con,
>
> Now I'm kinda confused:) You want to know about "the land" which the
> descendants of Joel Childress wrote about in their memoirs and letters?
Do I have
> this right? I have a copy of John Williams Childress's memoirs dated
1960,
> have you read it? If not, then I'll give a little or a lot:) of the
> information. Also the letters I published to this list from Lyon
Childress, brother of
> John Williams Childress. He also wrote of the area of TN where their
father,
> grandfather, Joel and other relatives had lived. See the
Childress-Research
> archives, just type in my full name. I'll also give info from another
> source. I believe the description from these Childress's would be the
property in
> my prior message, where Joel Childress purchased 1,000 acres on the
Stones
> River from Mr. Roberts (2 deeds). John Childress of early Nashville,
also
> bought land on the Stones River. I have more references, but here's a
little of
> what I can locate for you, these should help. My comments in brackets.
I'm
> going to repeat some of the abstract from 1960 memoirs and also other
> information for our list members who might not know all this stuff!
>
> Page One: [John Williams Childress, 1960]
>
> Our great grandfather, Joel Childress, was born on March 22, 1777,
married
> Elizabeth Whitsitt, etc. About 1812 he moved to Rutherford [TN], a
newly
> formed county, and bought a farm about three miles south of Murfreesboro
[TN],
> situated where STONE RIVER crossed by the Shelbyville Pike. There was a
large
> frame house in which he lived until his death, August 19, 1819. He was
> buried in a fence-enclosed family plot near the house.
>
> Page Four:
>
> The farm and house on STONES RIVER were inherited by my grandfather,
John
> Whitsitt [Childress, SR], and were successfully operated by him until
his
> death, although late in life he moved to town to a house at College and
Academy
> Streets, which was owned by his second wife.[See below notes]
> This house still stands and a picture of it will be found in the book in
my
> files called, "History of Rutherford County." [TN]. The caption of this
> picture reads: "John W. Childress frequently entertained in this house
his
> brother-in-law, President Polk." This is, of course, an error, as Polk
died in
> 1849. In 1853, John W. Childress built, on the site of his father's
[John
> Whitsett Childress, Sr] house, a very modern and imposing two-story
brick house,
> which - [Page five] I visited often as a boy of 12 - 15, when it was
owned by
> my cousin, Frank Avent. At Franks marriage this house and farm were
given to
> him by his father [James M. Avent, brother in law to John Whitsett
Childress,
> Jr., Frank's father] as a wedding present. I often stayed with them
just to
> be in the country and to live in the old place. At 10 I had learned to
swim
> in the nearby STONES RIVER, and Frank [Avent] a great dog fancier and
> huntsman would let me hut with him. I remember my grandfather [James
Whitsett
> Childress Sr] only at his funeral in 1884, but the country place forever
stands
> out in my memory.
>
> I don't remember the size of the farm, but it extended past abut on-half
> mile to the railroad track and the same distance to the RIVER in the
other
> direction. The house was set about one-fifth of a mile from the gate at
PIKE
> where it crossed STONES RIVER, and was reached by a curved driveway,
marked by
> red cedar trees. When I last visited the property (1923) the last one
of these
> tree's had just been cut down for firewood, but my girls gathered some
of
> the sweet smelling cedar chips as souvenirs.
>
> NOTE - The above nephew's [of Sarah Childress Polk] recollection of the
> Federal troops overcoming the house and using it during the Civil War.
He said
> he didn't know WHEN the property got OUT of the Childress family. He
said he
> ONLY remembered it AFTER it's purchase by father's brother-in-law, JAMES
M.
> AVENT, for Frank [Avent]. While in school, 1896, he was told the
property had
> burned to the ground. Honestly, I was confused by his descriptions of
> several or more houses and their ownership! It's hard to say who owned
what. I'm
> going to assume that the house was owned by Joel Childress, John
Whitsett
> Childress Sr, his son John? and then James M. Avent, later to HIS son.
We do
> know that Joel Childress bought 1,000 acre's on the STONES RIVER. I also
made a
> mental note of his reference to the place where Joel Childress was
buried as
> "He [Joel] was buried in a fence enclosed FAMILY PLOT." This seems to
> suggest that other members of the family were buried there. If the
Avents bought
> it, lived on the farm, then who else was buried there and how many? I
know
> the families who the author's grandfather married, Williams and Philips
who
> connect to Avent thru marriage. [see below].
>
> The author also wrote, that his own father, John Whitsett Childress,
Jr., to
> operate his two farms and had other interests in town, being organizer
and
> president of two banks, and was, from its beginning in 1851, a Director
of the
> Nashville and Chattanooga Railroad. The author also said that they were
> always close to the Avent family and that his fathers brother-in-law
[James M.
> Avent] took him into his law firm. He said his brother was named for
the
> Avent family, "Avent" Childress. The author was named for the maiden
name of
> Sarah Williams Childress, first wife of his grandfather [John Whitsett
Childress
> Sr, son of Joel and brother to Sarah Childress Polk].
>
> More NOTES -
>
> You know Con, since you asked the question (think I'm answering it:)
I've
> caught some things in the author's memoirs which are striking. The
family
> plot, the houses, his not having any recollection of the "farm on Stones
River"
> until his cousin Frank Avent received it from HIS father, James M.
Avent.
> Glad you asked the question! Simple as it was:) it leads us to think
about the
> important things he wrote! The "family plot" for one, the owners for
another!
>
> My relative, Col.James Edmunds Saunders authored the book, "Early
Settlers
> of Alabama, Notes and Genealogies" and his granddaughter, Elizabeth
Saunders
> Blair Stubbs, New Orleans, LA, 1899. My relative, the author,
personally knew
> almost everyone in his book, unless so stated, if he didn't, the
information
> came from our kinsman, Col. William L. Saunders, NC Secretary of State,
from
> the "Colonial Records of North Carolina." Some of the sections in the
book
> might be of interest with what the author, John Williams Childress wrote
in
> his memoirs. My cousin knew the Childress family personally. He also
knew
> who they married and their families, because we are kin to those
families. How
> about I give this information in another message? I have a feeling your
> latest message opened up a whole new set of questions and maybe, just
maybe,
> something entirely new!
>
> MaryJean
>
>
Con,
Now I'm kinda confused:) You want to know about "the land" which the
descendants of Joel Childress wrote about in their memoirs and letters? Do I have
this right? I have a copy of John Williams Childress's memoirs dated 1960,
have you read it? If not, then I'll give a little or a lot:) of the
information. Also the letters I published to this list from Lyon Childress, brother of
John Williams Childress. He also wrote of the area of TN where their father,
grandfather, Joel and other relatives had lived. See the Childress-Research
archives, just type in my full name. I'll also give info from another
source. I believe the description from these Childress's would be the property in
my prior message, where Joel Childress purchased 1,000 acres on the Stones
River from Mr. Roberts (2 deeds). John Childress of early Nashville, also
bought land on the Stones River. I have more references, but here's a little of
what I can locate for you, these should help. My comments in brackets. I'm
going to repeat some of the abstract from 1960 memoirs and also other
information for our list members who might not know all this stuff!
Page One: [John Williams Childress, 1960]
Our great grandfather, Joel Childress, was born on March 22, 1777, married
Elizabeth Whitsitt, etc. About 1812 he moved to Rutherford [TN], a newly
formed county, and bought a farm about three miles south of Murfreesboro [TN],
situated where STONE RIVER crossed by the Shelbyville Pike. There was a large
frame house in which he lived until his death, August 19, 1819. He was
buried in a fence-enclosed family plot near the house.
Page Four:
The farm and house on STONES RIVER were inherited by my grandfather, John
Whitsitt [Childress, SR], and were successfully operated by him until his
death, although late in life he moved to town to a house at College and Academy
Streets, which was owned by his second wife.[See below notes]
This house still stands and a picture of it will be found in the book in my
files called, "History of Rutherford County." [TN]. The caption of this
picture reads: "John W. Childress frequently entertained in this house his
brother-in-law, President Polk." This is, of course, an error, as Polk died in
1849. In 1853, John W. Childress built, on the site of his father's [John
Whitsett Childress, Sr] house, a very modern and imposing two-story brick house,
which - [Page five] I visited often as a boy of 12 - 15, when it was owned by
my cousin, Frank Avent. At Franks marriage this house and farm were given to
him by his father [James M. Avent, brother in law to John Whitsett Childress,
Jr., Frank's father] as a wedding present. I often stayed with them just to
be in the country and to live in the old place. At 10 I had learned to swim
in the nearby STONES RIVER, and Frank [Avent] a great dog fancier and
huntsman would let me hut with him. I remember my grandfather [James Whitsett
Childress Sr] only at his funeral in 1884, but the country place forever stands
out in my memory.
I don't remember the size of the farm, but it extended past abut on-half
mile to the railroad track and the same distance to the RIVER in the other
direction. The house was set about one-fifth of a mile from the gate at PIKE
where it crossed STONES RIVER, and was reached by a curved driveway, marked by
red cedar trees. When I last visited the property (1923) the last one of these
tree's had just been cut down for firewood, but my girls gathered some of
the sweet smelling cedar chips as souvenirs.
NOTE - The above nephew's [of Sarah Childress Polk] recollection of the
Federal troops overcoming the house and using it during the Civil War. He said
he didn't know WHEN the property got OUT of the Childress family. He said he
ONLY remembered it AFTER it's purchase by father's brother-in-law, JAMES M.
AVENT, for Frank [Avent]. While in school, 1896, he was told the property had
burned to the ground. Honestly, I was confused by his descriptions of
several or more houses and their ownership! It's hard to say who owned what. I'm
going to assume that the house was owned by Joel Childress, John Whitsett
Childress Sr, his son John? and then James M. Avent, later to HIS son. We do
know that Joel Childress bought 1,000 acre's on the STONES RIVER. I also made a
mental note of his reference to the place where Joel Childress was buried as
"He [Joel] was buried in a fence enclosed FAMILY PLOT." This seems to
suggest that other members of the family were buried there. If the Avents bought
it, lived on the farm, then who else was buried there and how many? I know
the families who the author's grandfather married, Williams and Philips who
connect to Avent thru marriage. [see below].
The author also wrote, that his own father, John Whitsett Childress, Jr., to
operate his two farms and had other interests in town, being organizer and
president of two banks, and was, from its beginning in 1851, a Director of the
Nashville and Chattanooga Railroad. The author also said that they were
always close to the Avent family and that his fathers brother-in-law [James M.
Avent] took him into his law firm. He said his brother was named for the
Avent family, "Avent" Childress. The author was named for the maiden name of
Sarah Williams Childress, first wife of his grandfather [John Whitsett Childress
Sr, son of Joel and brother to Sarah Childress Polk].
More NOTES -
You know Con, since you asked the question (think I'm answering it:) I've
caught some things in the author's memoirs which are striking. The family
plot, the houses, his not having any recollection of the "farm on Stones River"
until his cousin Frank Avent received it from HIS father, James M. Avent.
Glad you asked the question! Simple as it was:) it leads us to think about the
important things he wrote! The "family plot" for one, the owners for another!
My relative, Col.James Edmunds Saunders authored the book, "Early Settlers
of Alabama, Notes and Genealogies" and his granddaughter, Elizabeth Saunders
Blair Stubbs, New Orleans, LA, 1899. My relative, the author, personally knew
almost everyone in his book, unless so stated, if he didn't, the information
came from our kinsman, Col. William L. Saunders, NC Secretary of State, from
the "Colonial Records of North Carolina." Some of the sections in the book
might be of interest with what the author, John Williams Childress wrote in
his memoirs. My cousin knew the Childress family personally. He also knew
who they married and their families, because we are kin to those families. How
about I give this information in another message? I have a feeling your
latest message opened up a whole new set of questions and maybe, just maybe,
something entirely new!
MaryJean
Hi Kathleen!
Anytime you have a question and you think I might now, please write me!
I'll fill you in on the publication you asked about.
"Childress Chatter" by creator and Editor, Molly Reigard, was a newsletter
which was usually about 5-10 pages each time I received it. I joined the CFA
(Childers-Childress Family Association) about 1980 and received the
newsletter along with my membership to CFA of which I'm still a member. Then, Ms.
Reigard could no longer take care of the newsletter, (she was a fine lady and
extraordinary genealogist) and Jo Ann Childers became Editor, the name was
changed to "Clearinghouse." I'm sorry to say that we don't have either now. Jo
Ann did an amazing job, "Clearinghouse" was super. I have almost the entire
collection of "Childress Chatter," but I believe any good research library or
archives should have copies. I know LDS does and they can be ordered I think
thru loan, go to the LDS website under library. As for CFA, they have an
online website you can visit. You can certainly join, they'll be glad to tell
you what publications they may have for sale, Jo Ann Childers in particular.
She published several Childers/Childress research books, one on TN and
another on the ARW pension applications, I have all she published I think, but
there are probably more, but write her!
The "Childress Chatter" has been a wonderful source of information. Mrs.
Geneve Stephenson was one of the finest researchers, her work in the
publication has been invaluable, also Garland Childress and many others, so I recommend
your seeing copies if you can get them thru LDS, you'll enjoy them, believe
me!
Let me know if I can be of any further help to you, take care!
MaryJean
I am not sure how you find the Childress Chatter.........does it still
exist, does someone mail that out, or are you referring to something from the
past............sorry, just trying to learn a little, and not sure. Kathleen
Childress Holt of Texas
We can know that we have truly forgiven someone, if that person can travel
safely through our minds.-Rev. Marlene Martin
Hi Con,
Your question is, can I be more explicit regarding "nephews" I referred to
in my message? Sorry you were confused.
Without going thru the Joel Childress tree, here is the answer to your
question.
1Joel Childress married Elizabeth Whitsett, daughter of John Whitsett and
Sarah Thompson.
2John Whitsett Childress Sr married Mary Williams and Mary Phillips
(cousins).
3John Whitsett Childress Jr had issue.
4JOHN WILLIAMS CHILDRESS (author of "The Childress Family of Tennessee",
1960 - His speaking of the property on the STONES RIVER.
4Adair Lyon CHILDRESS, brother of above of whose letters I published to this
list and his correspondence with Dr. M. Childress (see archives). These
series of letters first published in "Childress Chatter", ED, Molly Reigard,
were explicit regarding the homeplace of Joel Chldress, the home on Stones
River, the reference to Avent family owning the home of John Whitsett Childress
Jr., sometimes confusing as to who owned the land and farms. See Childress
Research-archives (under my name).
4Avent Childress, brother of above and his wife (daughter Sara) who married
Mr. Beasley whose family Bible has the entire family listed.
So with regard to the mention of "nephews", the above who had correspondence
with other Childress's, the memoirs of John Williams Childress who was
namesake for the Mary Williams who married John Whitsett Childress SR. were the
"nephews" OF Sarah Childress Polk, wife of President James Knox Polk. More
later.
MaryJean
MaryJean,
It was the part about the land that was confusing not who the nephews were.
Con
> [Original Message]
> From: <MJCV25(a)aol.com>
> To: <CHILDRESS-RESEARCH-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Date: 10/26/2004 1:32:21 PM
> Subject: Re: FW: [CHILDRESS] Joel Childress - Deed - (MaryJean Childress
Voegtlin)
>
>
> Hi Con,
>
> Your question is, can I be more explicit regarding "nephews" I referred
to
> in my message? Sorry you were confused.
>
> Without going thru the Joel Childress tree, here is the answer to your
> question.
>
> 1Joel Childress married Elizabeth Whitsett, daughter of John Whitsett
and
> Sarah Thompson.
>
> 2John Whitsett Childress Sr married Mary Williams and Mary Phillips
> (cousins).
>
> 3John Whitsett Childress Jr had issue.
>
> 4JOHN WILLIAMS CHILDRESS (author of "The Childress Family of Tennessee",
> 1960 - His speaking of the property on the STONES RIVER.
>
> 4Adair Lyon CHILDRESS, brother of above of whose letters I published to
this
> list and his correspondence with Dr. M. Childress (see archives). These
> series of letters first published in "Childress Chatter", ED, Molly
Reigard,
> were explicit regarding the homeplace of Joel Chldress, the home on
Stones
> River, the reference to Avent family owning the home of John Whitsett
Childress
> Jr., sometimes confusing as to who owned the land and farms. See
Childress
> Research-archives (under my name).
>
> 4Avent Childress, brother of above and his wife (daughter Sara) who
married
> Mr. Beasley whose family Bible has the entire family listed.
>
> So with regard to the mention of "nephews", the above who had
correspondence
> with other Childress's, the memoirs of John Williams Childress who was
> namesake for the Mary Williams who married John Whitsett Childress SR.
were the
> "nephews" OF Sarah Childress Polk, wife of President James Knox Polk.
More
> later.
>
> MaryJean
Hi List,
Reference the subject of my previous message, Abraham Childress, who had
married 2nd, Lucy Thomas Neville (widow of Capt James Neville) should have read:
Abraham Childress's will dated 1763 Albemarle County, VA, there were THREE
sons rather than two, shown in order as: William Cannon Childress and who I
left out, ABRAHAM CHILDRESS and last, Creed Childress. Thanks!
MaryJean
MaryJean,
I cannot follow what you are saying re the nephews. Could you be more
explicit?
Con
> [Original Message]
> From: <MJCV25(a)aol.com>
> To: <CHILDRESS-RESEARCH-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Date: 10/21/2004 12:27:23 AM
> Subject: Re: FW: [CHILDRESS] Joel Childress - Deed - (MaryJean Childress
Voegtlin)
>
>
>
> Hi Lee,
>
> Gosh, you make me not want to buy an investment property anytime soon:)
> Just joking! Some deeds are complicated, no doubt. Since we don't know
exactly
> what transpired with Joel and Mr. Roberts, one thing is clear, Joel
bought
> the 1,000 acres on the river and we have a date earlier than the 1810
census.
> I think this property is probably what his nephews referred to and yet
they
> said it was a cousins house (on the river) which was given to their
father or
> grandfather. This would have been the old Judge Philips or Williams,
(both
> of Welsh ancestry) the two being the father's of the two who married
John
> Whitsett Childress. Anyway, thank you Lee, appreciate your opinion, as
always!
>
> MaryJean
Hi List,
Most likely, those of you who've studied the "Abraham's," most likely know
what I've learned in the last few days. I don't profess to have come to any
type conclusion, just some theories of my own and some really fascinating
stuff to ponder!
Just to fill you in, my Childress's came from Lunenburg before 1760 and
Charlotte County after it was carved from Lunenburg County (VA). While searching
thru some of these county records and then followup data, I began to see a
pattern, a path so to speak. I'll try to sort thru all this and make some sense
of it! In the meantime, I'll most likely leave the most complicated parts
in separate messages. As I said before, I'm not claiming to have been sent a
divine revelation:) just food for thought! I would appreciate your input if
you have anything to add, please give us your opinion and or info! Finally,
could it be coincidence or is there something to all this? Let me know what
your idea's might be.
Capt. JAMES NEVILLE made his will March 7, 1752, Albemarle County, VA. His
wife LUCY, some say maiden name was THOMAS, but anyhow, her name was LUCY
THOMAS and she married JAMES. He'd been married before and had issue. Lucy it
was said had out of wedlock issue with Capt. JAMES, other's suggest she had
an affair separate from her husband, Capped James. Records show that Capt.
James had a best friend, his name as mentioned in court documents was ABRAHAM
CHILDRESS. The ABRAHAM was the grandson of ABRAHAM (of course:) who had a deed
with a WILLIAM HARRIS in 1656. Abraham on the original copy was "Childres."
The ABRAHAM, best friend of Capt. JAMES NEVILLE is one in the same. Keep
in mind the surnames I'm about to name. Are we cooking so far?
Capt. James even went so far as to say in his will, that he didn't want HIS
wife, LUCY to marry his best friend, ABRAHAM CHILDRESS after his death! But,
as fate would have it, Lucy didn't pay any attention at all, she married
Capt. James best friend, ABRAHAM and became LUCY THOMAS NEVILLE CHILDRESS.
ABRAHAM died and he left his will dated Nov 28, 1763, Albermarle County, VA.
In his will, it states he had to settle with the NEVIL HEIRS. He names
them all, including his estranged wife, LUCY and his estranged son, WILLIAM
CANNON CHILDRESS. CREED was the younger brother and heir to a vast amount of
real estate. There were daughters who married into families whose surnames ring
like a bell. Hendrix for one, Mitchell for another, Haskins and etc.
To complicate matters, Lucy's son THOMAS married old Abraham's daughter. But
no matter, cause Lucy also left a will dated Jan 26, 1792. Lucy was a
wealthy woman. She mentions in her will that LEWIS NEVIL (Neville) had entered
into bond.
So far, we have Capt. JAMES NEVILLE, NEVILLE Heirs, mentioned in both
Abraham's will and his widow's.
So far, not too much is known about the two sons of old Abraham's. With
exception of the "VA Genealogist Magazine" series, "Abraham CHILDERS lll", this
being old ABRAHAM who died after he married LUCY THOMAS NEVILLE:) The two
sons show in Virginia records as witnesses, several deeds, but after that, no
one has said much about them or their descendants if any.
According to "Kay's" message dated Mar 11, 2002, Colonial America, 1607-1789
Census Index - There is mention of a CREED CHILDERS, Camden District of SC
for 1778 and 1780. Could Abraham's son have migrated to SC? Did either of
these young men have sons or daughter's or both?
Then there's a will for BENJAMIN CHILDRESS dated January 18, 1775, probated
October 1, 1775, Amherst County, VA. Who was one of the "Said Executors"?
JAMES NEVIL (Neville). These Neville's get around don't they?
I'm out of sequence, but JEREMIAH CHILDRESS made his will in Charlotte
County, VA, November 20, 1790, probate, February 7, 1791, and who do you suppose
signed HIS will, GEORGE FOSTER, JR. Now why am I excited over the name, it's
not NEVILLE! But it is a connection to a NEVILLE and yep a CHILDRESS,
several of them.
According to "Marriage Bonds of Henrico County, VA, 1782-1853," Compiled by
Michael E. Pollock, P. 32, ABRAHAM CHILDRESS, to SALLY FOSTER, with the
consent of MARY FOSTER, JOSEPH PARKER, surety, Witness to the consent, October 21,
1786.
A GEORGE FOSTER married SARAH CHILDRESS, (see below) and it would seem, that
another FOSTER named Elizabeth, married GEORGE NEVILLE 27 July 1785 in
Halifax County, VA. According to several descendants from both families, to
complicate this, another Neville married and that was ELIZABETH NEVILLE who
married ABRAHAM CHILDRESS November 13, 1817 in Charlotte Co., VA. See the
following -
_http://www.wordjc.com/people/p00000ij.htm#22390_
(http://www.wordjc.com/people/p00000ij.htm#22390)
_http://www.wordjc.com/people/p00000v1.htm#22503_
(http://www.wordjc.com/people/p00000v1.htm#22503)
Back to the earlier story, SARAH CHILDRESS was said to be born about 1745
and died after 1816. Her husband George FOSTER came from [some said Halifax
and Charlotte County] VA, they had four children all born in WILKES COUNTY, NC.
Mary, Sarah, Isabel and Thomas B. Foster, between 1781-88. The Wilkes
County, NC census has two from the CHILDRESS family, MITCHELL and JOHN (Childris)
both in 1787. Could Sarah CHILDRESS who married George FOSTER have been in
the same family as one or both of them? Could it be that the NEVILLE
marriage to LUCY THOMAS who immediately married ABRAHAM have started the rash of
marriages with NEVILLE and FOSTER? Lucy did have two stepsons named William
Cannon and Creed CHILDRESS.
More to follow.
MaryJean
Hi List,
I've been going thru some files to see whatever I might have with mention of
Davis in relation to Childress. I may have given this info before, but
nevertheless, since the topic lately has been the Davis family connecting to
Childress, maybe some of these are reverent and will be helpful.
We've already established that in Rowan County, NC there were deeds naming
ABRAHAM Childress - JAMES Childress, JUDEA Childress married to SAMUEL Davis -
An unidentified CHILDRESS - SAMUEL Childress aged 16 bound to SAMUEL Davis -
All of ROWAN County, NC. Surry County, NC deeds (1777) naming JOHN
Childress, witnessed by Charles Beasley (name associated with Childress) and another,
Benjamin FARMER who was witness in the Surry Co, NC 1777 Deed. Benjamin
Farmer (with ref to Stokes, CO, NC) in a will of his father, also shows inventory
(Lunenburg) and mentions Tabitha CHILDRESS.
Burke County was created in 1777 from the SW part of Rowan County, created
1753 from Anson County, Surry County was formed from part of Rowan 1770.
1759 Tax List Rowan County - 5 Davis's and 4 Locks, both surnames married or
connect to CHILDRESS.
SAMUEL Davis - 1 1 2 0 1 (1148) - 1790 Rowan County, NC Census. There were
26 Davis's listed and NO Childress or Childers.
SAMUEL Davis marriage bond June 9, 1798, to JUDEA CHILDRESS, signed Thomas
HARPER.
SAMUEL DAVIS, August 9, 1800, has bound to him, 16 year old SAMUEL CHILDRESS
whose abandoned by his father, SAMUEL CHILDRESS. Samuel, aged 16 is to
learn a trade of a joiner and carpenter and at expiration of his term to receive
twenty dollars worth of tools.
SAMUEL DAVIS, North Carolina War of 1812, 2nd Reg. 11th Company, detached
from Onslow Regiment.
S. DAVIS, North Carolina Militia, War of 1812, 3rd Reg., 6th Company
detached from Nash Reg.
ABRAHAM Childress and JAMES Childress both or Rowan County, NC deed, Jan 6,
1803, Book 18, page 560.
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*********************************************************
SOURCES:
1. McCubbins Collection," Knoxville, TN archives.
2. _http://www.census-online.com/links/NC/Rowan/_
(http://www.census-online.com/links/NC/Rowan/)
3. _http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/NC/Rowan/_
(http://resources.rootsweb.com/USA/NC/Rowan/) [see general links and search engines]
4. "Excerpts from Carolina Cradle", copyright Robert Ramsey, 1964, The Bryan
Settlement, First Settlements 1747-1751 - Quaker Communities - Original Map
of The Bran Settlement which shows a SAMUEL DAVIS estate, on the Yadin River.
"Although, inconclusive, the evidence strongly suggests that SAMUEL DAVIS
migrated from Cecil or Kent County, Maryland, to the "back parts" of Prince
George's County in 1738 or earlier. He was still there in 1747 and like John
Dunn, seems to have proceeded directly from Western Maryland to North Carolina.
His 579 acre tract (lying directly opposite that of George Forbush) in the
bed of the YADKIN passed into the hands of Edward Hughes in 1732 and DAVIS
moved out of the region."
_http://mountainwizarde.net/reecehistory/Cradle/bran.htm_
(http://mountainwizarde.net/reecehistory/Cradle/bran.htm)
5. Samuel Davis and other Davis's - NC Pension Roll of 1835 -
_http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/military/1835pen.txt_
(http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/military/1835pen.txt) .
6. "American History Life and Times of Wm. Young" - Samuel DAVIS mentioned
in NC, Rowan County, YADKIN Valley -
_http://www.electricscotland.com/history/america/young-william.htm_
(http://www.electricscotland.com/history/america/young-william.htm)
7. "First Families of Jersey Settlement", Ethel Strompe, 1996, Vol. ll, No
1, Pages 2413-2434, February 1996, Edition of Rowan County, NC Register, SAMUEL
DAVIS -
_http://www.parvinfamily.com/genealogy/Coxeaffair.pdf_ (http:
//www.parvinfamily.com/genealogy/Coxeaffair.pdf)
8. Data Base, Stewart, James and Wm. Harrison, Ref June 5, 1758, 4 tracts
of land of Robert B. (G?)illespee, Rowan County, NC deeds. "Beside some lots
in Salisbury there were 580 acres on Second Creek, including DAVIS MILL
CREEK, it being the place CAPT. SAMUEL DAVIS FAMILY, formally lived adjoining
RICHARD MOSBY."
_http://members.aol.com/chsone/surname/stewfile2.txt_
(http://members.aol.com/chsone/surname/stewfile2.txt)
9. "Neighbors of Jacob Roper of Rowan County, NC, 1790."
_www.genforum.net/roper/messages/769.html_
(http://www.genforum.net/roper/messages/769.html)
10. ELLEN, daughter of SAMUEL CHILDRESS born May 7, 1814, Buncombe County,
NC died Feb 20, 1898 Haywood County, NC married Augustus Columbus HARGRAVE,
born 1812 NC, died 1876 NC, had issue.
_http://www.Shahall.com/dat75.htm#14_ (http://www.Shahall.com/dat75.htm#14)
NOTE - From what I have read, it would appear that the Rowan County, NC
Davis family connected to CHILDRESS are suggested to be the DAVIS family who were
from MD and migrated to NC. Also note the surname of MOSBY which connects to
the Childress family thru marriage. Some interesting idea's to think on.
If you should have a problem with any of the web address's above, please let
me know. Many of them were in old notes of mine and hard to read! Also
notes I had made back in 1990 at the GA Archives in Atlanta. Thanks.
MaryJean