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The current Chidester line has the following:
Daniel Chidester (ca 1776, NJ - bef 1840 - Parents Elijah Chidester and Mary Hopplear)
--Married Susannah ca 1793
Children:
Richard (1793, Sparta, Essex,NJ - aft Oct 1850, IL) m. (1) M. R. Boudinot (2) Jane
Sarah C. (26 Oct 1802, PA -1875) m. Rufus Carter
Phebe (1804, NY - 1882) m. Alexander Walling
Rhoda Ann (ca 1805, PA - 1881) m. Levi Davis
Carolyn (ca 1810 - )
Daniel C. (ca 1812, PA - ) m. Eunice Humphrey
Abraham (1814, PA - aft 1854) m. M. E. Griffith
John Thomas (6 Dec 1816, Otsego, NY - 1893) m. Sarah Galligher
--Married Nancy Thomas ca 1818
Children:
Jerome C. (1822, Otsego, NY - ) m. Jane Clark
Clarinda (1827, Otsego, NY - ) m. Akin
Dexter Jackson (1832, Otsego, NY - ca 1885) m. Amelia C.
Theodore B. (1835, Otsego, NY - ca 1875) m. Mary Kindrick
Samuel Adelbert (1837, Otsego, NY - ca 1910) m. Lucyette Lyon
There is a variance on the birth information for Richard. The Census information for the Richard who married Mary Boudinot indicates a birth in 1793. The information from elsewhere indicates a birth in 1799. I believe that EC noted this difference in his notes.
I am not prepared to dispute the Daniel Chidester family above but I find the PA births interspersed with the NY births difficult. My understanding is that Paul Volppe has stated that Daniel never left NY and there is documentary evidence of that.
I have reviewed a number of the early Census documents. The 1800 Census for Lower Smithfield, Northampton, PA has the following:
Joshua Chidester 2-0-0-0-1 1-0-0-1-0
Daniel Chidester 3-0-0-1-0 1-0-0-1-0
This Daniel Chidester, age 26-44, was born between 1756 and 1774. Joshua was born before 1755. Between them they have 5 sons born between 1791 and 1800. (Note that our Daniel above has only one son born prior to 1800 and that is Richard.) Northampton County is next to NJ and directly across the Delaware River from Hunterdon and Essex Counties in NJ.
I called the Marx Room of the Easton Library (Northampton County) this week. I am attempting to reach Richard Mussleman who was recommended as a researcher for Northampton County to find out what I can about Joshua and Daniel from the 1800 Census.
I suggest that there may be two Daniel Chidesters who were born in NJ and two Richard Chidesters born in NJ. One of the Daniels went to north central NY and had the children designated as born in NY and another that lived in PA and had those children. One of the Richards was born in 1793 and the other in 1799.
If anyone has any proof of any of these matters, one way or the other, please let me know.
Regards,
John
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The birth year Richard gave in 1850 makes the connection of this Richard to Daniel more difficult. It seems unlikely that Richard (1793) was born when Daniel was 17 and Susannah was 16 and then there were no more children until 1802. Nine years.
This Richard (1793) was the Richard that married Polly Boudinot and was in Ohio in 1820. (Pretty solid based on Charles and Samuel ages.)
I think it possible that there were two Richards, one 1793 and one 1799, born in NJ. If Richard's (93) family moved to PA and Richard's (99) family moved to Cayuga, NY. Things make a bit more sense.
I think I just burned out some brain cells. ;-)
Regards,
John
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Chid(d)ester, WV>OH, 1800-1900; Som(m)erville, Grasmere, Eng, 1700-1850
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I found Richard Chidester in the 1850 Census:
Franklin, IL M432 R106 P56
Richd Chidster, 57,m,Brick Mason, New Jersey
Jane Chidister, 49,f,Tenn
Saml Chidester, 23,m,Blue Smith, Ohio (Black(?) Smith)
Chas Chidester, 19,m,Plaster, Ohio
Frank Richards, 7,m,Ills
This is apparently the Richard that married Polly Boudinot. Samuel and Charles are both right on. This makes Richard born in 1793. Does anyone have anything on Jane ?? or Frank Richards? Frank could be Jane's son from an earlier marriage.
Also in Franklin County M432 R106 P2:
Wm Chidester, 32 m,farmer,NY
Nancy Chidester, 31,f,Tenn
U. A. Chidester, 1,f,Ills
I'm not matching any of this information. There are no other Chidesters in Franklin County and no William and Julia Tucker either unless I missed it.
Regards,
John
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Chid(d)ester, WV>OH, 1800-1900; Som(m)erville, Grasmere, Eng, 1700-1850
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I looked at the information for Elias Boudot's family and there are some questions. Most of the children are listed as born in Cayuga, NY. However, the 1810 Census shows Elias in Seneca Couinty. I checked the history of Seneca County and it was separated from Cayuga County in 1804. Ovid beacme the County seat for Seneca. I think it unlikely that Elias moved so I believe all of the children after 1804 should be born in Seneca rather than Cayuga, that is, Mary Rapelyea, Catherine, Jane, Elisha, and Elias.
Also, the Boudinot researchers show Elias moving to Washington County, Ohio at some point between 1812 and 1816. This is confirmed, to an extent, by the 1820 Census which has Elias and his family in Washington County, Waterford Twp. The question is exactly when he moved. Almost certainly Susan, Horace, and Eliza should be Ohio. Julia and Rachel are still unclear.
Regards,
John
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John Middleton, Leawood, Kansas, TVFHS #4418
Middleton, SCT>Liverpool, Eng>Chicago, IL, 1700-1920; Neely, IRL>PA, 1759-1900;
Chid(d)ester, WV>OH, 1800-1900; Som(m)erville, Grasmere, Eng, 1700-1850
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Well, I spoke too soon. I check the Boudinot Mail List at genealogy.com and there was a lot of interesting information.
One post said, "My records show that Mary (Polly) R. Boudinot, eldest child of Elias and Susan (Sutton Boudinot married a Richard Chidester in Washington Co. OH in 1822. She was his second wife, I think."
Elias' first wife was Mary Rapelyea. She died about 1801 and she and Elias had five children before then.
I have written to ask if there was anything solid to base the "second wife" information on. (I still lean toward Abraham being Richard's first family. ;-)
Regards to all,
John
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John Middleton, Leawood, Kansas, TVFHS #4418
Middleton, SCT>Liverpool, Eng>Chicago, IL, 1700-1920; Neely, IRL>PA, 1759-1900;
Chid(d)ester, WV>OH, 1800-1900; Som(m)erville, Grasmere, Eng, 1700-1850
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Hi all,
After some looking today, it seems that Rapelyea has been spelled any number of ways. Originally it was Rapallier. In some of the early US Census records for NY it is Rapalje and Rapalye. I did find some spelling of Rapalier but all of those were in Louisiana. The most popular spelling in the US was Rapelyea.
Now some detective work. On the 1810 Census page for Elias Boudinot, M25 R36 P155, Ovid, Seneca, NY there is an interesting effect. The census was written on sheets of paper and then the sheets were bound,or folded, in the center. I have noticed on many pages that the last line of the top page and the first line of the bottom page are very hard to read or illiegible. This seems to be due to either damage from the binding or folding and the ink actually rubbing off where the pages rub together.
On this page, however, there is some part of the name visible on both pages. Interestingly, I think both names are Rapalyea. Please take a look when you can and let me know what you think.
Regards,
John
P.S. Elias Boudinot was the *Fourth* President of the United States in Congress Assembled. (I think I said First.) In addition, there were some presidents of the earlier US entities as well, e.g. the Continental Congress.
jm
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Middleton, SCT>Liverpool, Eng>Chicago, IL, 1700-1920; Neely, IRL>PA, 1759-1900;
Chid(d)ester, WV>OH, 1800-1900; Som(m)erville, Grasmere, Eng, 1700-1850
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Hi all,
Betty sent me some pictures and I added them to the web site. Thanks, Betty.
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Middleton, SCT>Liverpool, Eng>Chicago, IL, 1700-1920; Neely, IRL>PA, 1759-1900;
Chid(d)ester, WV>OH, 1800-1900; Som(m)erville, Grasmere, Eng, 1700-1850
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I received some information from Juhree Carr about the Chedester family. I have put a descendant chart on the web site. Have a look. It may tie in to the Chidester line.
Regards,
John
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Middleton, SCT>Liverpool, Eng>Chicago, IL, 1700-1920; Neely, IRL>PA, 1759-1900;
Chid(d)ester, WV>OH, 1800-1900; Som(m)erville, Grasmere, Eng, 1700-1850
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Hi all,
I located all the Boudinots I can handle for the time being. I put a Boudinot descendant chart on the web page. There are two direct line descendants from Elias Boudinot living in Iowa. One is 92 and appears on the 1920 Census. The other is his son. I have reasonable support for the entries in the cahrt and will be happy to provide the footnotes but they run about 20 pages.
For the record: Elias Boudinot, born 1744, was arguably the first president of the United States. His brother, John, was our Elias Boudinot's father. Elias Boudinot, the Cherokee, was not actually related to Elias Boudinot but took the name when Elias (1744) paid for Elias' (Cherokee) college education.
Regards,
John
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Middleton, SCT>Liverpool, Eng>Chicago, IL, 1700-1920; Neely, IRL>PA, 1759-1900;
Chid(d)ester, WV>OH, 1800-1900; Som(m)erville, Grasmere, Eng, 1700-1850
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Hi folks,
I have spent the last week unstuck in time. ;-) I tried to work on the report on Abraham Chidester and started to worry over his father. I have managed to find census records for the Boudinot family from Elias in 1800 to the 1920 Census entries for his descendants. It is fairly solid from 1800 to 1920 for Elisha Boudinot (1809-), Horace Stockton Boudinot (1819-1893), and Mary Rapelyea Boudinot Chidester (1805-1840). (BTW - The spelling is Rapelyea. I have seen it a number of different ways but Elias lived next to Jeremiah Rapelyea and near Tennis Rapelyea in 1800. This spelling gives many hits in the Census from 1800 on.)
Another piece of stray information was that the wife of Elisha Boudinot is most likely Henriette Monday not Henriette Lundy. Betsy Monday lived with Elisha and Henriette from 1850 on and it appears to be too great a coincidence with no other likely explanation.
The descendants of both Elisha and Horace remained in the rope manufacturing business until at least 1920. They lived one street in Davenport, Iowa.
It also appears that Elias Boudinot had a wife and several children prior to his marriage to Susan Sutton in 1804. The 1800 Census (Ovid, Cayuga, NY M32R28P550) shows a wife, a son, and 3 daughters born prior to 1800. The 1810 Census (Ovid, Seneca, NY M252R36P155) shows the children I have born to Elias and Susan Sutton between 1804 and 1810 plus 1 son and 2 daughters born prior to 1800.
Subject to further analysis, it seems Elias may have been married to a Rapelyea, maybe Mary Rapelyea, some time around 1790. She appears to have died after the 1800 Census and before 1804.
I have also been Daniel, Richard, and Benjamin Chidester. I found two Chidesters, Daniel and Joshua, in the 1800 Census of Lower Smithfield, Northhampton, PA (M32R37P616) with enough males born between 1790 and 1799 to give us the needed Chidesters on the 1820 Waterford, OH Census.
Need more input on these.
Regards,
John
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Chid(d)ester, WV>OH, 1800-1900; Som(m)erville, Grasmere, Eng, 1700-1850
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I sent this yesterday morning and it never showed up. I thought I would send it again.
The 1820 Census for Ohio, Washington County, Waterford Twp (M33 R95 P280) has the following:
Benjamin Chidester -- Males 0-0-0-1-0-0 Females 0-0-1-0-0
Richard Chidester -- Males 2-0-0-1-0-0 Females 0-0-1-0-0
George Chidester -- Males 1-0-0-1-0-0 Females 0-0-1-0-0
Elias Boudinot -- Males 1-2-0-0-0-1 Females 2-3-0-1-0
[Note: These are on one page within six lines!]
All the Chidester men are between 18 and 25 years old. All are married and their wives are between 16 and 25 years old. There are three sons born between 1811 and 1820.
My files have the following children for Elias Boudinot, father of Mary Rapalye Boudinot.
Elias Boudinot,1766-1831, born NJ, 1820 age 54
Susan Sutton, wife,
Mary Rapaylea, 29 Jan 1805, 1820 age 15
Catherine, 1806, 1820 age 14
Jane, 24 Sep 1807, 1820 age 13
Elisha, 24 Jun 1809, 1820 age 11
Elias, 8 Mar 1811, 1820 age 9
Julia, bef 1813, 1820 age 7
Rachel, bef 1815, 1820 age 5
Susan, before 1817, 1820 age 3
Horace, 26 May 1819, 1820 age 1
So, 1 male under 9, 2 males 10-15, 1 male over 45
3 females under 9, 2 females 10-15, 1 female 26-44
There is a mismatch between females under 9 and 10-15 but that is the only difference.
I also have Mary Rapaylea marrying Richard Chidester on 18 Jul 1822 at Mitta, Washington, Ohio. I believe that the Richard Chidester shown in this 1820 Census is the same as the Richard Chidester Mary Boudinot married.
Possible conclusions:
1) Benjamin, Richard, and George are brothers - age and proximity.
2) Abraham Chidester could be one of the three male children.
3) This Richard Chidester is not the son of Daniel Chidester.
4) Susan Sutton was born between 1776 and 1781, say 1780.
5) The female, 16-25, with Richard, if his wife, died between the 1820 Census and say late 1821.
Main Question:
Is there any Chidester family which has Benjamin, Richard, and George, born between 1795 and 1802, as brothers?
Possible - A Chiddester, 1810 Census, PA, Huntingdon, Frankstown (M252R51P27) 4-2-0-1-0 and 2-0-0-1. Enough males born between 1794 and 1810.
Regards,
John
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Middleton, SCT>Liverpool, Eng>Chicago, IL, 1700-1920; Neely, IRL>PA, 1759-1900;
Chid(d)ester, WV>OH, 1800-1900; Som(m)erville, Grasmere, Eng, 1700-1850
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The 1820 Census for Ohio, Washington County, Waterford Twp (M33 R95 P280) has the following:
Benjamin Chidester -- Males 0-0-0-1-0-0 Females 0-0-1-0-0
Richard Chidester -- Males 2-0-0-1-0-0 Females 0-0-1-0-0
George Chidester -- Males 1-0-0-1-0-0 Females 0-0-1-0-0
Elias Boudinot -- Males 1-2-0-0-0-1 Females 2-3-0-1-0
[Note: These are on one page within six lines!]
All the Chidester men are between 18 and 25 years old. All are married and their wives are between 16 and 25 years old. There are three sons born between 1811 and 1820.
My files have the following children for Elias Boudinot, father of Mary Rapalye Boudinot.
Elias Boudinot,1766-1831, born NJ, 1820 age 54
Susan Sutton, wife,
Mary Rapaylea, 29 Jan 1805, 1820 age 15
Catherine, 1806, 1820 age 14
Jane, 24 Sep 1807, 1820 age 13
Elisha, 24 Jun 1809, 1820 age 11
Elias, 8 Mar 1811, 1820 age 9
Julia, bef 1813, 1820 age 7
Rachel, bef 1815, 1820 age 5
Susan, before 1817, 1820 age 3
Horace, 26 May 1819, 1820 age 1
So, 1 male under 9, 2 males 10-15, 1 male over 45
3 females under 9, 2 females 10-15, 1 female 26-44
There is a mismatch between females under 9 and 10-15 but that is the only difference.
I also have Mary Rapaylea marrying Richard Chidester on 18 Jul 1822 at Mitta, Washington, Ohio. I believe that the Richard Chidester shown in this 1820 Census is the same as the Richard Chidester Mary Boudinot married.
Possible conclusions:
1) Benjamin, Richard, and George are brothers - age and proximity.
2) Abraham Chidester could be one of the three male children.
3) This Richard Chidester is not the son of Daniel Chidester.
4) Susan Sutton was born between 1776 and 1781, say 1780.
5) The female, 16-25, with Richard, if his wife, died between the 1820 Census and say late 1821.
Main Question:
Is there any Chidester family which has Benjamin, Richard, and George, born between 1795 and 1802, as brothers?
Possible - A Chiddester, 1810 Census, PA, Huntingdon, Frankstown (M252R51P27) 4-2-0-1-0 and 2-0-0-1. Enough males born between 1794 and 1810.
Regards,
John
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Middleton, SCT>Liverpool, Eng>Chicago, IL, 1700-1920; Neely, IRL>PA, 1759-1900;
Chid(d)ester, WV>OH, 1800-1900; Som(m)erville, Grasmere, Eng, 1700-1850
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Hi John,
I've followed your messages on the Chidester list since you joined. It's always great to have people active in seeking information, and I encourage those who have been members for a while and have information to share. Because Chichester and Chidester are variants of the same surname, and they are tightly connected in this country, I act as administrator for both surname mailing lists. My preference as administrator is to remain in the background as long as everyone plays by the rules and has a good time.
You asked about membership, so I took a look. Here are the stats:
Chichester-L: 29
Chichester-D: 15
(4 are members of both L & D, so net total: 40)
Chidester-L: 21
Chidester-D: 10
(1 is subscribed to L with 2 addresses, 5 are members of both L & D, so net total: 25)
And because research often crosses over between the two surname variants, at least six are members of both Chichester and Chidester.
Happy Hunting!
John
P.S. For those of you who have corresponded with me in the past, my genealogy email address has changed from john(a)harneds.com to john(a)harneds.org
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Thursday, July 1, 2004, 3:54:13 AM, John Middleton wrote:
JM> I have been using the Chidester mail list and I wanted to see
JM> who the Administrator was. I think it may get busier. ;-)
JM> I also wanted to ask how many current subscribers there are.
JM> Regards,
JM> John
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JM> John Middleton, Leawood, Kansas, TVFHS #4418
Middleton, SCT>>Liverpool, Eng>Chicago, IL,
Middleton, SCT>>1700-1920; Neely, IRL>PA, 1759-1900;
Chid(d)ester, WV>>OH, 1800-1900; Som(m)erville,
Chid(d)ester, WV>>Grasmere, Eng, 1700-1850
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