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Consider the possibility that the different birth dates refer to different women named Alice Taylor; it is a common combination of given name and surname.
Great Budworth's parish records, as I recall, extend back into the 1500s and there's a website where one can search the abstracts. (I don't have its address handy.)
> Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 11:31:04 +1200
> From: "Christine Tregonning" <cjtregonning(a)xtra.co.nz>
> Subject: [CHS] TAYLOR and CARTER from Middlewich
> To: <cheshire(a)rootsweb.com>
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> Hello Listers,
> Continuing on from my previous message.
> John STUBBS married Alice TAYLOR on 21 Jan 1826 at Great Budworth. According
> to census records Alice was born at Gatehouse Green (1851) or Middlewich
> (1861 & 1871).
> Alice's parents were John TAYLOR and Alice CARTER. Alice CARTER later
> married Thomas BURGESS.
> Can anyone help me with the parents of John TAYLOR and Alice CARTER. Both
> died before 1851 so I don't know where exactly they were born. In the 1841
> census Alice is living in Shipbrook. On the same census page are Richard and
> Margaret CARTER both aged 40. Alice BANCROFT who may be the mother of
> Richard CARTER?, as well as George CARTER (19) in the household of Thomas
> The only record for an Alice CARTER that I can find is for a person
> christened in 1768 at Alderley. The 1841 census gives Alice's age as 70
> (i.e. born 1766 -1771), however her burial record from 1845 gives her age as
> 82 (i.e. born 1763). Alice married John TAYLOR in 1785 and the witnesses
> were Joseph CARTER and James CARTER.
> I can't find Gatehouse Green using google maps so any information as to
> where it is would also be helpful.
Continuing on from my previous messages.
John STUBBS married Mary KAY at Chester in 1859. Both John and Mary were
born in Wincham although Mary's baptism in 1832 has been transcribed as RAY.
Mary's father John was a Rockgetter. John was born at Knutsford in 1787.
John and his wife Ann (FORSTER) had the following children: Sarah (1825),
Martha (1827), Ann (1829), Mary (1832) and Henry (1835) who were all born at
The baptism of Ann KAY took place in the chapel at Witton and the baptismal
record provides the additional information that John was the son of James
and Sarah KAY(E) from Liverpool and Ann his wife was the daughter of William
and Hannah FORSTER of Wincham
Ann KAY (FORSTER) died in 1844 so her place of birth was not recorded in the
1841 census, but she was possibly born in Davenham in 1793. I have her
mother recorded as Hannah FARRINGTON. I would like to confirm this as well
as the names of both William and Hannah's parents.
I would like to find out how and why John KAY came to be living in Wincham
when he was born at Knutsford and find out what happened to the rest of his
family. His baptism record indicates that his father James was a servant
living at Nether Knutsford. A marriage record from 1785 in Knutsford has a
James KEY a Stocking Weaver marrying Sarah FOXLEY and I would like to
confirm whether this couple are John's parents.
Also living at Nether Knutsford in 1787 was Thomas KAY and his wife Martha.
Thomas and Martha also had a son John baptised in 1787. Thomas was described
as being an Inn Keeper. As both of these people named their son John, I
would like to confirm whether James and Thomas are related. My initial
thought is that they may be brothers.
Any help to locate the family of John KAY would be appreciated.
Continuing on from my previous message.
John STUBBS married Alice TAYLOR on 21 Jan 1826 at Great Budworth. According
to census records Alice was born at Gatehouse Green (1851) or Middlewich
(1861 & 1871).
Alice's parents were John TAYLOR and Alice CARTER. Alice CARTER later
married Thomas BURGESS.
Can anyone help me with the parents of John TAYLOR and Alice CARTER. Both
died before 1851 so I don't know where exactly they were born. In the 1841
census Alice is living in Shipbrook. On the same census page are Richard and
Margaret CARTER both aged 40. Alice BANCROFT who may be the mother of
Richard CARTER?, as well as George CARTER (19) in the household of Thomas
The only record for an Alice CARTER that I can find is for a person
christened in 1768 at Alderley. The 1841 census gives Alice's age as 70
(i.e. born 1766 -1771), however her burial record from 1845 gives her age as
82 (i.e. born 1763). Alice married John TAYLOR in 1785 and the witnesses
were Joseph CARTER and James CARTER.
I can't find Gatehouse Green using google maps so any information as to
where it is would also be helpful.
My mother recently had some visitors who were interested in their family
origins. This has prompted me to take another look at my research to try and
tidy up any loose ends. My apologies in advance for the length of this post
but I am keen to find some additional information that I can work with. To
make it easier I have split my message into three separate emails.
My mother's Great Grandparents were John STUBBS and Mary KAY from Wincham
who emigrated to New Zealand in 1883.
John descends from Matthew STUBBS and Mary WARBURTON nee JONES who married
in 1764. Mary's parents were Hugh BROOM and Martha JONES from Haslington but
I haven't been able to confirm Matthew's parents. Matthew seems to have been
a common Christian name among the various Stubbs families at this time and
to complicate things further there was more than one marriage of a Matthew
I would like to confirm where Matthew was born and who is parents were?
The following updates have just been announced for CheshireBMD:
Message from Ian Hartas, Cheshire.
Hi, Cheshire BMD has been updated as follows:
Births: Replaced 2,575 for Wallasey, registers at Wirral (1916-1917) to add mother's maiden names
Replaced 1,532 for Woodchurch, registers at Wirral (1870-1879) to add mother's maiden names
Many thanks to Helen Gill and colleagues for these
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