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I just returned from a very successful genealogical trip to England.
Thanks to everyone on this list who has helped me in the past. Now, I
have another question.
My ancestor, John DAVIES, died in the House of Industry in Chester in
1840. Can anyone tell me what and where the House of Industry is/was?
Thanks go to Pam, and Ron and Gisela for their contributions :)
Warburtons of Tilston, Stretton, Pickhill, Cheshire.
Starting with my Grandfather.
Samuel Warburton born 5th January 1896, Tilston B.D. in the district of Tattenhall, which I expect is the TAT 29/27 record, though I ordered from the GRO.
His mother is Jane Warburton (Domestic Servant).
No fathers name or occupation.
Informant was J.Warburton,mother,Tilston.
Thats all I got from this certificate. no addresses.
STRETTON (near Malpas)
A township in Tilston Parish, Broxton Hundred (SJ 4452).
Includes the hamlet of Wetreins Green.
The population was 84 in 1801, 71 in 1851, 119 in 1901 and 104 in 1951.
Wittrens Lane address, or indeed Wetreins Lane? as on multimap, just south west of stretton
The census dates are
1881 censusDwelling Wittrens Lane
Census place Stretton in Chester
Source fhl film 1341850 pro ref RG11 3552 63 page no.29
Edward Warburton Head Married 23 ag lab Shocklack
Jane Warburton Wife Married 23 ag lab wife Tilston
Emma Warburton D 5 Scholar Tilston
Ellen Warburton D 4 Tilston
Alice Warburton D 2 Tilston
Jane Warburton D 1m Tilston
no house name??
Lane End Farm, Schocklach
Edward WARBURTON, Head, 32, Ag. Lab., b. Shocklach
Jane, Wife, 33, b. Tilston
Alice, Dau, 12, Scholar, b. Tilston
Jane, Dau, 10, Scholar, b. Tilston
Samuel, Son, 7, Scholar, b. Tilston
Edwin, Son, 4, Scholar, b. Shocklach
Arthur, Son, 1, Scholar, b. Shocklach
Not my Samuel, though its possible he could have been named after this one, who perhaps died?
1901 census. Census place: Dutton Diffeth
WARBURTON Page ID 56962276
Edward (42 farm Bailiff)
1901 census RG13/5215 42 page 9
Pickhill Farm,Bangor, part of Denbighshire
Jane Warburton was 22, and living as a General Domestic( Servant) at Pickhill Farm, along with another servant and the Family of the house, in this case William Morris and wife Edith, along with their sons and daughters.
No Samuel here as I thought there wouldn't be, given that we already knew Samuel was Granny reared.
The next time I can find Samuel Warburton , is at Ivy Cottage, Tilston 1922, as per his marriage certificate.
Any further additions to this information would be much appreciated, I do have quite a few census images from the 1901 if anyone wants me to look through them fro any similar names to mine, I might have your entry already!
Heaven knows it's took me this long to get this far, and I now have more extra information than I really need to store on my pc. Funny how it builds up, and eventually something proves useful.
As from the 1st September 2003 the Tameside Register Office will move
temporarily to allow for refurbishment of the Dukinfield Town Hall.
Their New Postal Address will be:
The Register Office
Education & Development Centre
The Telephone number remains the same: 0161 330 1177 / 1454
For anyone visiting the Office, the new site is only minutes away from the
old one. From Dukinfield Town Hall continue along King Street away from
Ashton. Pass Dukinfield Park on your left and take the next road left which
is Pickford Lane. Proceed up Pickford Lane for about 200 yards and turn
right into Lakes Road. The Register Office will be in the Old Lakes Road
I am just letting the list know I think I may have found my Grandfathers' (Samuel Warburton) Mother on the 1901 census. I hadn't attached any relevance as the entry looked wrong place etc. So just in case anyone is interested Jane Warburton was 22, and living as a General Domestic( Servant) at Pickhill Farm, along with another servant and the Family of the house, in this case William Morris and wife Edith. Now , the next step is to prove this is the same person I posted as 1month old on the 1881 census with her family, and missing from the household in the 1901 as detailed below.
now Ron and Gisela sent me a mail, containing this information;
1901 census. Census place: Dutton Diffeth
Edward (42 farm Bailiff), Jane(43), Alice(22), WARBURTON Page ID 56962276
I do have a possible address for Edward and his wife, but I have no way to access the census right now if it's a pay to view image.
As my 1881 extract says Wittren's Lane, I have an idea that by 1901 this had become Wetruns (Stretton)
Now I know the dates don't look perfect , but what would you say as to the accuracy of my guesswork so far??
Yours hopefully , Brian Warburton.
I'm posting this to the Clwyd list as well, as I am aware that this Pickhill is in Denbighshire.
And just how did you sneak on here without me knowing about your
Warburtons?? I do have an Auntie Barbera Warburton, since married and
We also have a marriage of cousins into the Cator line, and hence we can
trace ours across to the Queen Mothers Bowes-Lyons'
----- Original Message -----
From: "Allan" <neural(a)netcomuk.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 8:00 PM
Subject: [CHS] Re: More than cousins?
> I think my Barber-Warburton ancestors can beat just 2 sets of
> sisters/brothers marrying between families, they had -:
> (Sister,Sister,Sister,Brother,Brother) marrying
> All were Barber-Warburton marriages, my great-grandparents being
> one of the Sister-Brother marriages.
> The step-nieces were sisters.
> previous -
> >I recently found out that my Grandmother and her cousin (Les) shared
> >exactly the same four Grandparents. i.e. my Nain's mother was
> >Les's father's sister, AND my Nain's father was Les's mother's
> >brother. Does anyone know if this is a common situation, and if so,
> >does this type of 'cousin' relationship have a special term?
> >I do not know if there are any exact statistics anywhere, but it
> >certainly is not un-common for:-
> > (Brother, Brother) to marry (Sister, Sister) or for
> > (Brother, Sister) to marry (Sister, Brother)
> ==== CHESHIRE Mailing List ====
> The Family History Society of Cheshire:
I'm sorry to put this to the list but I would like to contact the following
If Sam Brooke is a member of the Cheshire List could he please contact Joan
birtles(a)tpg.com.au re his entry for BIRTLES in the Cheshire surnames
directory as my email to him is being returned.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dorothy Lloyd" <dorothy(a)pheasantperch.freeserve.co.uk>
To: "Andrew Sutton" <andrew.sutton1(a)virgin.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [CHS] SUTTON - Meaning?
> My Thanks to all who replied to my Query, especially Andrew, I liked the
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Sutton" <andrew.sutton1(a)virgin.net>
> Subject: Re: [CHS] SUTTON - Meaning?
> > Dorothy
> > Try http://www.andysutton.co.uk/origins.htm for an insight
> > Regards
> > Andrew Sutton
For those of you who are questioning the relationships between 2
brothers to 2 sister marriages, I have a dozie of a relationship that
you can consider.
I know this family personally.
There are 2 sisters who married. One sister married the father, the
other sister married the son.
Relationship became: Older sister became mother-in-law to younger
sister and step-mother to her brother-in-law. The father became the
brother-in-law of his son.
Younger sister's husband became her step-brother.
Only the younger sister & her husband had children. The children could
call the older sister either Aunt or Grandmother and can call their
grandfather uncle (they called them their grandparents).
It would have been more complicated if the older sister & the father had
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Can anyone help by providing any additional information (of any sort) on the
following people who appear on a 1927 marriage certificate (marriage in
Belgrave St Synagogue Leeds):
Isaac Solomon Sidney FOX physician & surgeon of 10 Upper Northgate, Chester
and his father Jacob Samuel FOX a college principal!
Sherry Landa (in Southern France)
Can anyone tell me if there is a surname index to the 1861 census, I am looking for Thomas MARSH wife's name Martha Marsh (nee) ATKIN. I found there marriage and received a copy of the certificate and at that time in 1838 they were living in Dukinfield but from that time on they seem to have vanished so if there is an index would sks do me a look up to kick start me in the right direction
Jack Marsh (Canada)
Transcriber for BMD
Found George WOODHEAD of Cumberworth Yorks
father JOHN mother SUSANNA christened 21st July 1787
LDS Batch. No. J107872. a search of this batch no. records
a christening of another son Joseph 29th October 1785.
you can check this on the online IGI at www.familysearch.org
and if you check www.Cheshirebmd.org.uk from 1848 onwards
for your Henry GEE you will find a number of possible marriages
I would appreciate it if anyone who has access to the 1871 census covering Saughall, Nr. Chester, could check for Edward DONE, born in 1869, in Birkenhead but living in Saughall. The 1871 census for Birkenhead has been checked and he does not appear in that.
Many thanks in advance.
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trying to find the maiden name of John's 5x's grt grandmother,
refered to as "my dear wife Elizabeth" in a will dated 1778,
his 5x's grt grandfather John Rutter of Crowton who passed away and was
at Weaverham St.Mary the Virgin 1784.( due to being OLD.)
the children christened of John and Elizabeth (also at the above church)
were Peter chr. July 1743, Hannah chr.Oct.1745 & John chr May 1756.
2 marriages on the IGI show 1). Elizabeth ATHERTON & John RUTTER
4th July 1742 at Leyland and
2). Elizabeth DONE & John RUTTER
18th May 1743 at Warrington.
is anyone able to confirm or deny either/both of these, hoping marriage will
lead to previous generation although I realise parents names were not always
recorded around this time frame.
G'day to all listers
Has anybody found a list on the net of enumeration numbers for the 1901
I have downloaded a page from the census site that has none of the headings
filled in. The Piece is 3808 folio 49 and page 24. I believe the Parish
maybe Oldham Lancs as most of the people on the page were born there.
Biff Grindley from Neutral Bay Sydney
Searching GRINDLEY'S everywhere especially Cheshire, Shropshire,
Lancashire, Flintshire and Denbighshire
Just a quick note to thank everyone who took the time and trouble to respond to my query (I have thanked everyone personally who sent me info!).
In case it is of interest to anyone else, part of Cheadle Bulkeley also appears under the Stockport pages of the 1841 Census. HO107/113 Books 15-18. However, much of Castle Street appears in Book 17 which is on the whole unreadable (some entries are very faint but can be read). The other books are very much readable.
Hope this helps!
----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Harrison
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:37 PM
Subject: 1841 Census - Edgeley/Cheadle Bulkeley
Has anyone out there found (or looking for) Castle Street in Edgeley, Cheadle Bulkeley on the 1841 Census - if so can they please let me know where it is.
I have just searched through the whole of Cheadle Bulkeley (& Cheadle Moseley) on the Census but to no avail. Not sure if this will be listed under "Stockport".
Any pointers would be most appreciated!